Silly Overly Critical Guy. When you've got a bunch of windows on the sceem you've got a desktop.
Try copying and pasting between those windows, Mr. Slippery.
Eye candy that improves user experience not one whit.
You're right. All those millions of user research and feedback Apple and Microsoft have done is all bollocks. The human brain doesn't appreciate visual cues. Right.
Indeed, some designers argue that a "realistic" interface is a bad idea - icons should be iconic.
I don't really care what "some designers argue." OS X has some damned good realistic icons. I can't wait to see what Microsoft offers.
A road sign for a pedestrian crossing has stick figures, not a photograph of a parent and child crossing the street.
Forgive me for wanting a hard drive icon to look like a hard drive, because you think some random designers said so.
Now that's cool. Almost completely useless, certain irrelevant to desktop users, probably more of a hardware specification issue than a software one, but cool.
Microsoft themselves show that 2005 is the target date of Longhorn in a slide picture.
That's not a release date. That's a target year. Complete difference.
First, can you prove there are "cool builds" that will have 100% of the suggested features in a shipping version of Longhorn?
Of course not, because I didn't say "100% of the suggested features in a shipping version of Longhorn." If there was a build like that, it'd be gold and they'd be selling it. You're putting words in my mouth.
Secondly, the history of Microsoft's software release stategy has been plainly made clear numerous times. Hype, Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Buzzwords-o'-the-day, Gross Appropriation (oh sorry, I mean Innovation), and just downright unfullfilled expectations litter the computer timescape.
What does that have to do with this discussion? 2005 is the target year of Longhorn. It was originally late 2004 but has been pushed to 2005. That's it.
For a company that has been in the software business of well over 25 years, one would think that with their talk of innovation and "exciting new time-saving" features, we would all have an operating system on our machines that used voice controlled openGL hyper speed interfaces, smart enough to do your work for you while you browsed sites like slashdot.
Oh, stop. There have been plenty of time-saving features, from the taskbar (which everyone now rips off as though it's always been a standard OS feature) to the redesigned Start menu (I don't care what you might say, it saves time for me to not have to go to the desktop to get to My Computer or My Network Places), to much more. They have done a TON of innovation. For you to ignore that with some facetious comment that dismisses it all tells me you have some sort of chip on your shoulder, despite your claims about not wanting to "put down Microsoft."
Isn't the entire point of using a computer to save time and be more productive? This sadly is not the case today.
That's the whole point of things like WinFS, the upcoming Aero interface, and so forth. Again, what is your point? Are you saying Longhorn won't be productive or save time? I'm confused as to what you're responding to.
I never mentioned or targetted developers in my original posting.
That wasn't the point. You were acting as though Longhorn is vaporware that is continuously pushed away year by year, when Microsoft is already unrolling the developer preview for companies to begin porting and compatibility testing. My point was that they're already on schedule and pushing full steam ahead.
I was focusing on the end user, Mr. Joe User, who up till now has been fed the party line from Microsoft that they know what is best for him, and why doesn't he just forget about this whole linux/schminux business anyways... I mean really, Microsoft knows best, right?
You're really sounding goofy. "Party line?" You are aware of the Linux community and its party line, aren't you? Again, I'm not sure what your point is here. I don't care about Microsoft marketing. There is nothing wrong with announcing the next version of your product as an improvement, which all versions of Windows have been except for ME. What does this have to do with Longhorn? You're just bitching about Microsoft now.
My original point was to point out that those working to provide a better alternative to windows have been given a fantastic gift, for free and without prompting, a gift of valuable time to help develop something that Mr. Joe User might be able to use in the next couple of years.
And my point was to crush that ill-informed assertation. Two years won't be long enough. The developer preview is already coming out. There is no "gift of valuable time" because Longhorn is already being pushed.
I never once made an assertion that Linux would be the be-all-and-end-all for the desktop. I just want to h
Think about it. They've continually pushed back the release date of Longhorn, at least three times now, to my recollection.
They've never even announced a date for Longhorn. What on earth are you talking about?
The screenshots they have leaked out, whether they are true or not haven't produced any vote of confidence from the various geeks I've seen comment about it online.
As if that matters. Those are early, early alpha shots, as we all know. All the cool builds with the 3D acceleration are in a different Microsoft lab anyway that hasn't had one of their builds leaked.
I'm neither defending Microsoft or trying to put them down, but the fact remains that their competition has been given a lot of breathing room, which I think if used wisely, will show some very large rewards by the time Longhorn comes out in full force.
I'm not really sure what breathing room you're talking about. The developer preview of Longhorn is coming out later this year. The list of features Longhorn already boasts is staggering, and I doubt within two years that ANY Linux projects will come close. We'll still be stucking using X11 with a hacked on desktop simulator, business as usual.
Who will upgrade to an OS that curtails choices in the file system?
Again, what the heck are you talking about? Curtails choices in the file system? I assume you're referring to the WinFS service, which just runs in the background and allows you to search metadata through all the gigabytes of data hard drives will contain in 2005.
Who will spend the money on an OS that hasn't proven itself yet?
People spend money on all kinds of new products and operating systems. I'm not sure what unique point you're trying to make here.
I'm not talking about Windows itself, but the new Longhorn.
That is Windows.
As for Longhorn, the "early adopters" might give it a try, but it will still take quite some time before the mass market checks it out. I predict it will be at least 6 months time before Longhorn starts to make any real significant headway in the market.
What are you, a pseudo market analysist? What data and evidence makes you "predict" six months? Longhorn will be a very, very significant upgrade, as drastic as the change from Windows 3.1 to 95, which was a hugely successful release. Expect more of the same. From reading up on the features of Longhorn, this thing is gonna blow people away, from user experience to functionality. There are tons of reasons to switch to this version, unlike XP, whose advantages, though effective, were few.
So, given that I'm being optimistic with a date of January 1st, 2005, I really believe that the alternative OS's will have at least two full years before being in any danger from the MS Marketing Machine.
And like I said, I doubt two years will produce any significant competition. Two years ago we were all expecting Microsoft to topple. And two years before that. It's always the same touted party line, but before Linux makes any headway in that department, it needs actual results (instead of, say, another windowing toolkit or arcane project name).
Think about it. They've continually pushed back the release date of Longhorn, at least three times now, to my recollection.
They've never even announced a date for Longhorn. What are you talking about?
The screenshots they have leaked out, whether they are true or not haven't produced any vote of confidence from the various geeks I've seen comment about it online.
As if that matters. Those are early, early alpha shots. All the cool builds with the 3D acceleration are in a different Microsoft lab anyway that hasn't had one of their builds leaked yet.
I'm neither defending Microsoft or trying to put them down, but the fact remains that their competition has been given a lot of breathing room, which I think if used wisely, will show some very large rewards by the time Longhorn comes out in full force.
I'm not really sure what breathing room you're talking about. The developer preview of Longhorn is coming out later this year. The list of features Longhorn already boasts is staggering, and I doubt within two years that ANY Linux projects will come close. We'll still be stucking using X11 with a hacked on desktop simulator, business as usual.
Who will upgrade to an OS that curtails choices in the file system?
What on earth are you talking about? Curtails choices in the file system? I assume you're referring to the WinFS service, which simply allows you to search metadate through all the gigabytes of data hard drives will contain in 2005.
Who will spend the money on an OS that hasn't proven itself yet?
People spend money on all kinds of new products and operating systems. I'm not sure what unique point you're trying to make here.
I'm not talking about Windows itself, but the new Longhorn.
That is Windows.
As for Longhorn, the "early adopters" might give it a try, but it will still take quite some time before the mass market checks it out. I predict it will be at least 6 months time before Longhorn starts to make any real significant headway in the market.
What are you, a market analysis? What makes you "predict" six months? What data?
Longhorn will be a very, very significant upgrade, as drastic as the change from Windows 3.1 to 95, which was a hugely successful release. Expect more of the same. From reading up on the features of Longhorn, this thing is gonna blow people away, from user experience to functionality.
So, given that I'm being optimistic with a date of January 1st, 2005, I really believe that the alternative OS's will have at least two full years before being in any danger from the MS Marketing Machine.
And like I said, I doubt two years will produce any significant competition. Two years ago we were all expecting Microsoft to topple. And two years before that. It's always the same touted party line, but before Linux makes any headway in that department, it needs actual results (instead of, say, another windowing toolkit or arcane project name).
No, it doesn't. Memory requirements are the same, and in many cases, less. In fact, it boots up in half the time as XP does and always has since RC1 last year.
CmdrTaco obviously wanted a lot of Linux fanboy trolls to post, flaming Microsoft. Look at his tongue-in-cheek remarks, particularly the "we're-just-a-flash-in-the-pan-dept." subtitle.
However, it backfired and people are seriously discussing it.
The real reason to be taking this seriously is because conversions like this can easily gain momentum. Windows Server 2003 is a GREAT operating system. I'm sure many of you haven't even tried it, but I have and it is the best Windows product Microsoft has ever put out. With the widespread popularity of Windows elsewhere (i.e., the workstations and corporate networks), now that they have a sane server OS to run them, this could be the beginning of a trend. I wouldn't be surprised if word-of-mouth causes even more conversions to Windows, and it continues to grow.
If Windows XP is an indication about how Windows is moving
It's not.
very few people who aren't demented retarts really want a perfect form of that.
Your attitude is going to draw so many Linux newbie converts, I'm sure.
I'll use XP, and probably 2003.
You've never even used 2003. It's streamlined for admin usage. I can even run custom scripts to administer it now. It's a complete power user server OS.
Yes, let's dismiss all pro-Windows statistics and worship all pro-Linux statistics. Because that seems to happen with every story posted.
For intelligent, engineering-minded, logical people, there sure is a lot of religious bias. I mean, really. Sometimes you sound like Scientologists. That's not a troll.
I say this constantly and get modded down for it because I'm not supposed to criticize a "volunteer effort." That attitude right there is problem #1. I don't care if it's a volunteer effort, and neither do most users. We just care about what's sitting in front of us on our screen, the net output.
My point all along has been that people really need to get out of this hobbyist volunteer mindset and realize it's time to create actual results. There's no need to become corporate-minded slaves, but I do wish people would be more professional about things, from project names to interfaces to--and this is the major one--the ridiculous mindset, which you must admit, Slashdot contributes to on a daily basis (usually through "Microsoft hole" articles, when meanwhile my sig shows that distros have more exploits per month anyway...it's all ridiculous).
Professional people admit faults and correct them. We still have some of the same Linux desktop problems as we had five years ago, and people are still complaining about them. Heck, real professional people would zero in on problems before the users even notices them. Professional communities have friendly and courteous tech support, newsgroups, and so on. They have to, because it's all about the customer, i.e., the user. Linux has zealots, trolls, and fanboys. It's not all about the user when it comes to Linux. Mostly, it seems to be about adding enough cool features to be able to take great-looking screenshots for the back of distro boxes, but when you actually grab the mouse to use the thing, it is a disappointing experience (I still remember when GNOME under Red Hat 9 had a stuck taskbar that wouldn't stop moving around with the mouse, and when all else failed and I killed X, of course, that screwed up the boot sequence for some reason...and it was a completely stock install!).
I'm tired of Linux being a hobby OS. Let's face it, outside of the server market (where it is still considered an "alternative OS" despite the fact it has the slight majority), Linux is a hobby OS. The desktop environments are just attempts to SIMULATE a desktop. They don't feel like real, seamless, responsive desktops, but they are written to LOOK like real, responsive desktops, so that people can pretend that they're cool because they use Linux in that way. I wish someone would come out with something so slick and professional that people would have no choice but to switch because of its uber-coolness and usability. This, of course, would call for a complete rewrite, because it would demand things like hardware acceleration, a sane programming API, and so on. I won't hold my breath for it, though. As a matter of fact, the only real uber-cool thing I've seen is Slicker. Its card idea is unique and innovative. Too bad it's tied in with the godawful KDE, but maybe in another few years we'll see things really shine.
But I know that won't happen because people are too busy making yet another toolkit for X or another extension or another weird project with a weird name written all in lower-case on Sourceforge. Meanwhile, in August of 2005, Longhorn is due out, with hardware acceleration, vector-scaled widgets for resolution-independent resizing, a yet-to-be-revealed photorealistic user interface, and even the ability to add and remove RAM without rebooting. I'm sorry, but I don't see all that coming in two years, because two years ago I thought we'd have stuff like that, and two years before that, and so on. It just never comes. And if you request it and wish for it, you get flamed because you're not "doing it yourself." Sometimes it's really easy to despise this community because they refuse to listen unless you're some hero programmer like Linus or Stallman. If you're a user or designer, forget it.
The joke is DEAD. Geez, people. Get over it. It's been four years since blue screens were even commonplace on Windows machines. The rest of the world moved on at the turn of the millenium.
They are all Slackware-specific. Every distro has its own collection of endless holes. If a distro includes an app with a hole, that's a part of that distro.
It's something I've noticed a lot lately, which is that more and more, Linux users seem to fear change. Which is interesting considering they're using an alternative operating system.
If I see another car analogy on Slashdot, I'm gonna puke.
Gentoo has the most holes of any distro I've seen
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9/23/2003 19:14 : Gentoo: openssh Multiple PAM vulnerabilities - Portable OpenSSH versions 3.7p1 and 3.7.1p1 contain multiple vulnerabilities in the new PAM code. At least one of these bugs is remotely exploitable (under a non-standard configuration, with privsep disabled).
9/17/2003 21:56 : Gentoo: sendmail Buffer overflow vulnerabilities - Fix a buffer overflow in address parsing. Fix a potential buffer overflow in ruleset parsing. This problem is not exploitable in the default sendmail configuration.
9/16/2003 19:39 : Gentoo: openssh Buffer management error - ll versions of OpenSSH's sshd prior to 3.7 contain a buffer management error. It is uncertain whether this error is potentially exploitable, however, we prefer to see bugs fixed proactively.
9/16/2003 15:50 : Gentoo: exim buffer overflow vulnerability - There's a heap overflow in all versions of exim3 and exim4 prior to version 4.21. It can be exercised by anyone who can make an SMTP connection to the exim daemon.
9/15/2003 8:28 : Gentoo: mysql buffer overflow vulnerability - Anyone with global administrative privileges on a MySQL server may execute arbitrary code even on a host he isn't supposed to have a shell on, with the privileges of the system account running the MySQL server.
9/2/2003 17:17 : Gentoo: 'atari800' buffer overflow - atari800 contains a buffer overflow which could be used by an attacker to gain root privileges.
9/2/2003 9:34 : Gentoo: 'gallery' cross-site scripting vulnerability - Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in search.php of Gallery 1.1 through 1.3.4 allows remote attackers to insert arbitrary web script via the searchstring parameter.
9/2/2003 9:33 : Gentoo: 'mindi' temporary file vulnerability - Mindi creates files in/tmp which could allow local user to overwrite arbitrary files.
9/2/2003 9:33 : Gentoo: 'eroaster' temporary file vulnerability - Previous eroaster versions allowwed local users to overwrite arbitrary files via a symlink attack on a temporary file that is used as a lockfile.
9/2/2003 9:32 : Gentoo: 'phpwebsite' SQL injection vulnerability - phpwebsite contains an sql injection vulnerability in the calendar module which allows the attacker to execute sql queries.
9/1/2003 23:09 : Gentoo: horde Remote session hijacking - An attacker could send an email to the victim who ago use of HORDE MTA in order to push it to visit a website. The website in issue log all the accesses and describe in the particular the origin of every victim.
9/1/2003 23:07 : Gentoo: vmware Insecure symlink vulnerability - The previous GLSA 200308-03 was wrong when it stated that vmware-workstation-4.0.1-5289 would fix the problems described in the advisory.
9/1/2003 23:07 : Gentoo: pam_smb Remote buffer overflow vulnerability - If a long password is supplied, this can cause a buffer overflow which could be exploited to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the process which invokes PAM services.
8/25/2003 17:41 : Gentoo: vmware-server env variable vulnerability - By manipulating the VMware GSX Server and VMware Workstation environment variables, a program such as a shell session with root privileges could be started when a virtual machine is launched.
8/14/2003 16:17 : Gentoo: semi Insecure temp files - The (1) semi MIME library 1.14.5 and earlier, and (2) wemi 1.14.0 and possibly other versions, allows local users to overwrite arbitrary files via a symlink attack on temporary files.
8/14/2003 8:36 : Gentoo: multiple vulnerabilities - There are multiple vulnerabilities in Gentoo Linux source tree.
7/19/2003 18:06 : Gentoo: nfs-utils Denial of service - Local or remote attacker which is capable to send RPC request to vulnerable mountd daemon could execute artitrary code or cause denial of service.
7/19/2003 18:06 : Gentoo: gnupg Unauthorized acess - gpg needs to be setuid to make use of protected memory space, however the setgid bit all
9/23/2003 7:58 : Slackware: 'openssh' PAM vulnerability - Upgraded OpenSSH 3.7.1p2 packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0 and -current. This fixes security problems with PAM authentication. It also includes several code cleanups from Solar Designer.
9/23/2003 7:57 : Slackware: 'proftpd' vulnerability - Upgraded ProFTPD packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0 and -current. These fix a security issue where an attacker could gain a root shell by downloading a specially crafted file.
9/23/2003 7:56 : Slackware: 'wu-ftpd' vulnerability - Upgraded WU-FTPD packages are available for Slackware 9.0 and -current. These fix a problem where an attacker could use a specially crafted filename in conjunction with WU-FTPD's conversion feature to execute arbitrary commands on the server.
9/17/2003 15:35 : Slackware: sendmail multiple vulnerabilities - There are multiple vulnerabilities in the sendmail package.
9/17/2003 15:34 : Slackware: openssh buffer management errors - These packages fix additional buffer management errors that were not corrected in the recent 3.7p1 release.
9/16/2003 19:40 : Slackware: openssh Buffer management error - These fix a buffer management error found in versions of OpenSSH earlier than 3.7. The possibility exists that this error could allow a remote exploit, so we recommend all sites running OpenSSH upgrade to the new OpenSSH package immediately.
9/11/2003 16:02 : Slackware: pine arbitrary code execution vulnerability - Upgraded pine packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0 and - -current.
9/9/2003 12:10 : Slackware: inetd denial of service vulnerability - These updates fix a previously hard-coded limit of 256 connections-per-minute, after which the given service is disabled for ten minutes.
8/26/2003 17:47 : Slackware: unzip directory traversal vulnerability - These fix a security issue where a specially crafted archive may overwrite files (including system files anywhere on the filesystem) upon extraction by a user with sufficient permissions.
8/25/2003 17:46 : Slackware: GDM file permission vulnerability - This fixes a bug where a local user may read any system file by making a symlink to it from $HOME/.xsession-errors and using GDM's error browser to read the file.
8/1/2003 22:45 : Slackware: Konqueror Multiple vulnerabilities - Note that this update addresses a security problem in Konqueror which may cause authentication credentials to be leaked to an unintended website through the HTTP-referer header when they have been entered into Konqueror as a URL
7/16/2003 16:13 : Slackware: nfs-utils off-by-one overflow vulnerability - There is an off-by-one overflow in xlog() in the nfs-utils package.
7/15/2003 16:51 : Slackware: nfs-utils denial of service vulnerability - This fixes an off-by-one buffer overflow in xlog.c which could be used by an attacker to produce a denial of NFS service, or to execute arbitrary code.
6/18/2003 21:14 : Slackware: kernel Multiple vulnerabilities - These provide an improved version of the ptrace fix that had been applied to 2.4.20 in Slackware 9.0, and fix a potential denial of service problem with netfilter.
5/29/2003 10:25 : Slackware: cups denial of service vulnerability - Upgraded CUPS packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0, and -current to fix a denial of service attack vulnerability.
5/23/2003 12:14 : Slackware: UPDATED: quotacheck - An upgraded sysvinit package is available which fixes a problem with the use of quotacheck in/etc/rc.d/rc.M.
5/22/2003 9:49 : Slackware: quotacheck vulnerability - An upgraded sysvinit package is available which fixes a problem with the use of quotacheck in/etc/rc.d/rc.M.
5/22/2003 9:47 : Slackware: mod_ssl timing based attack vulnerability - This version provides RSA blinding by default which prevents an extended timing analysis from revealing details of the secret key to an attacker.
For the zillionth time, there wasn't a Trinity during every iteration. It's not like it's the same people in every Matrix.
None of the previous Ones ever had a Trinity. The Architect states that Neo is the only one to have an affinity for a specific member of his species like that.
The two parents you see in the trailer sold the Oracle's shell to the Merovingian to protect that little kid. That's what was said in Enter The Matrix. So, she has a new shell.
All reports are that Zion was destroyed/abandoned at that time, but the battle seems to be going on in Revolutions.
There were no reports that Zion was destroyed.
Locke ordered a counterattack at the mainlines, but it was a failure when "someone" (Bane, of course) set off an EMP and disabled all the ships. That's why the guy says, "When they were done with us, the machines kept digging again," and why Neo says there are still 24 hours left before the war is over.
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Well, I'm sorry, but Linux can't be everything to everybody at all times.
In that case, people shouldn't bitch or complain about "skewed" statistics when Windows Server 2003 takes some installations from Linux.
Silly Overly Critical Guy. When you've got a bunch of windows on the sceem you've got a desktop.
Try copying and pasting between those windows, Mr. Slippery.
Eye candy that improves user experience not one whit.
You're right. All those millions of user research and feedback Apple and Microsoft have done is all bollocks. The human brain doesn't appreciate visual cues. Right.
Indeed, some designers argue that a "realistic" interface is a bad idea - icons should be iconic.
I don't really care what "some designers argue." OS X has some damned good realistic icons. I can't wait to see what Microsoft offers.
A road sign for a pedestrian crossing has stick figures, not a photograph of a parent and child crossing the street.
Forgive me for wanting a hard drive icon to look like a hard drive, because you think some random designers said so.
Now that's cool. Almost completely useless, certain irrelevant to desktop users, probably more of a hardware specification issue than a software one, but cool.
One cool thing among many.
Microsoft themselves show that 2005 is the target date of Longhorn in a slide picture.
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That's not a release date. That's a target year. Complete difference.
First, can you prove there are "cool builds" that will have 100% of the suggested features in a shipping version of Longhorn?
Of course not, because I didn't say "100% of the suggested features in a shipping version of Longhorn." If there was a build like that, it'd be gold and they'd be selling it. You're putting words in my mouth.
Secondly, the history of Microsoft's software release stategy has been plainly made clear numerous times. Hype, Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Buzzwords-o'-the-day, Gross Appropriation (oh sorry, I mean Innovation), and just downright unfullfilled expectations litter the computer timescape.
What does that have to do with this discussion? 2005 is the target year of Longhorn. It was originally late 2004 but has been pushed to 2005. That's it.
For a company that has been in the software business of well over 25 years, one would think that with their talk of innovation and "exciting new time-saving" features, we would all have an operating system on our machines that used voice controlled openGL hyper speed interfaces, smart enough to do your work for you while you browsed sites like slashdot.
Oh, stop. There have been plenty of time-saving features, from the taskbar (which everyone now rips off as though it's always been a standard OS feature) to the redesigned Start menu (I don't care what you might say, it saves time for me to not have to go to the desktop to get to My Computer or My Network Places), to much more. They have done a TON of innovation. For you to ignore that with some facetious comment that dismisses it all tells me you have some sort of chip on your shoulder, despite your claims about not wanting to "put down Microsoft."
Isn't the entire point of using a computer to save time and be more productive? This sadly is not the case today
That's the whole point of things like WinFS, the upcoming Aero interface, and so forth. Again, what is your point? Are you saying Longhorn won't be productive or save time? I'm confused as to what you're responding to.
I never mentioned or targetted developers in my original posting.
That wasn't the point. You were acting as though Longhorn is vaporware that is continuously pushed away year by year, when Microsoft is already unrolling the developer preview for companies to begin porting and compatibility testing. My point was that they're already on schedule and pushing full steam ahead.
I was focusing on the end user, Mr. Joe User, who up till now has been fed the party line from Microsoft that they know what is best for him, and why doesn't he just forget about this whole linux/schminux business anyways... I mean really, Microsoft knows best, right?
You're really sounding goofy. "Party line?" You are aware of the Linux community and its party line, aren't you? Again, I'm not sure what your point is here. I don't care about Microsoft marketing. There is nothing wrong with announcing the next version of your product as an improvement, which all versions of Windows have been except for ME. What does this have to do with Longhorn? You're just bitching about Microsoft now.
My original point was to point out that those working to provide a better alternative to windows have been given a fantastic gift, for free and without prompting, a gift of valuable time to help develop something that Mr. Joe User might be able to use in the next couple of years.
And my point was to crush that ill-informed assertation. Two years won't be long enough. The developer preview is already coming out. There is no "gift of valuable time" because Longhorn is already being pushed.
I never once made an assertion that Linux would be the be-all-and-end-all for the desktop. I just want to h
Think about it. They've continually pushed back the release date of Longhorn, at least three times now, to my recollection.
They've never even announced a date for Longhorn. What on earth are you talking about?
The screenshots they have leaked out, whether they are true or not haven't produced any vote of confidence from the various geeks I've seen comment about it online.
As if that matters. Those are early, early alpha shots, as we all know. All the cool builds with the 3D acceleration are in a different Microsoft lab anyway that hasn't had one of their builds leaked.
I'm neither defending Microsoft or trying to put them down, but the fact remains that their competition has been given a lot of breathing room, which I think if used wisely, will show some very large rewards by the time Longhorn comes out in full force.
I'm not really sure what breathing room you're talking about. The developer preview of Longhorn is coming out later this year. The list of features Longhorn already boasts is staggering, and I doubt within two years that ANY Linux projects will come close. We'll still be stucking using X11 with a hacked on desktop simulator, business as usual.
Who will upgrade to an OS that curtails choices in the file system?
Again, what the heck are you talking about? Curtails choices in the file system? I assume you're referring to the WinFS service, which just runs in the background and allows you to search metadata through all the gigabytes of data hard drives will contain in 2005.
Who will spend the money on an OS that hasn't proven itself yet?
People spend money on all kinds of new products and operating systems. I'm not sure what unique point you're trying to make here.
I'm not talking about Windows itself, but the new Longhorn.
That is Windows.
As for Longhorn, the "early adopters" might give it a try, but it will still take quite some time before the mass market checks it out. I predict it will be at least 6 months time before Longhorn starts to make any real significant headway in the market.
What are you, a pseudo market analysist? What data and evidence makes you "predict" six months? Longhorn will be a very, very significant upgrade, as drastic as the change from Windows 3.1 to 95, which was a hugely successful release. Expect more of the same. From reading up on the features of Longhorn, this thing is gonna blow people away, from user experience to functionality. There are tons of reasons to switch to this version, unlike XP, whose advantages, though effective, were few.
So, given that I'm being optimistic with a date of January 1st, 2005, I really believe that the alternative OS's will have at least two full years before being in any danger from the MS Marketing Machine.
And like I said, I doubt two years will produce any significant competition. Two years ago we were all expecting Microsoft to topple. And two years before that. It's always the same touted party line, but before Linux makes any headway in that department, it needs actual results (instead of, say, another windowing toolkit or arcane project name).
Think about it. They've continually pushed back the release date of Longhorn, at least three times now, to my recollection.
They've never even announced a date for Longhorn. What are you talking about?
The screenshots they have leaked out, whether they are true or not haven't produced any vote of confidence from the various geeks I've seen comment about it online.
As if that matters. Those are early, early alpha shots. All the cool builds with the 3D acceleration are in a different Microsoft lab anyway that hasn't had one of their builds leaked yet.
I'm neither defending Microsoft or trying to put them down, but the fact remains that their competition has been given a lot of breathing room, which I think if used wisely, will show some very large rewards by the time Longhorn comes out in full force.
I'm not really sure what breathing room you're talking about. The developer preview of Longhorn is coming out later this year. The list of features Longhorn already boasts is staggering, and I doubt within two years that ANY Linux projects will come close. We'll still be stucking using X11 with a hacked on desktop simulator, business as usual.
Who will upgrade to an OS that curtails choices in the file system?
What on earth are you talking about? Curtails choices in the file system? I assume you're referring to the WinFS service, which simply allows you to search metadate through all the gigabytes of data hard drives will contain in 2005.
Who will spend the money on an OS that hasn't proven itself yet?
People spend money on all kinds of new products and operating systems. I'm not sure what unique point you're trying to make here.
I'm not talking about Windows itself, but the new Longhorn.
That is Windows.
As for Longhorn, the "early adopters" might give it a try, but it will still take quite some time before the mass market checks it out. I predict it will be at least 6 months time before Longhorn starts to make any real significant headway in the market.
What are you, a market analysis? What makes you "predict" six months? What data?
Longhorn will be a very, very significant upgrade, as drastic as the change from Windows 3.1 to 95, which was a hugely successful release. Expect more of the same. From reading up on the features of Longhorn, this thing is gonna blow people away, from user experience to functionality.
So, given that I'm being optimistic with a date of January 1st, 2005, I really believe that the alternative OS's will have at least two full years before being in any danger from the MS Marketing Machine.
And like I said, I doubt two years will produce any significant competition. Two years ago we were all expecting Microsoft to topple. And two years before that. It's always the same touted party line, but before Linux makes any headway in that department, it needs actual results (instead of, say, another windowing toolkit or arcane project name).
No, it doesn't. Memory requirements are the same, and in many cases, less. In fact, it boots up in half the time as XP does and always has since RC1 last year.
No...five new Windows 2003 Servers, one of which used to run GNU/Linux!
Short answer: not that many.
Linux is still a server OS, not a desktop OS. People using it as a desktop are hobbyists (or hobbyists who set it up for their grandma or whatever).
CmdrTaco obviously wanted a lot of Linux fanboy trolls to post, flaming Microsoft. Look at his tongue-in-cheek remarks, particularly the "we're-just-a-flash-in-the-pan-dept." subtitle.
However, it backfired and people are seriously discussing it.
The real reason to be taking this seriously is because conversions like this can easily gain momentum. Windows Server 2003 is a GREAT operating system. I'm sure many of you haven't even tried it, but I have and it is the best Windows product Microsoft has ever put out. With the widespread popularity of Windows elsewhere (i.e., the workstations and corporate networks), now that they have a sane server OS to run them, this could be the beginning of a trend. I wouldn't be surprised if word-of-mouth causes even more conversions to Windows, and it continues to grow.
Nice troll.
If Windows XP is an indication about how Windows is moving
It's not.
very few people who aren't demented retarts really want a perfect form of that.
Your attitude is going to draw so many Linux newbie converts, I'm sure.
I'll use XP, and probably 2003.
You've never even used 2003. It's streamlined for admin usage. I can even run custom scripts to administer it now. It's a complete power user server OS.
Why is Apache synonymous with Linux? There is a popular Windows version.
Or maybe some people just liked Windows over Linux.
Yes, let's dismiss all pro-Windows statistics and worship all pro-Linux statistics. Because that seems to happen with every story posted.
For intelligent, engineering-minded, logical people, there sure is a lot of religious bias. I mean, really. Sometimes you sound like Scientologists. That's not a troll.
Hats are designed to be on your head. Shoes are designed to be on your feet.
Windows and Linux are competing, however.
I say this constantly and get modded down for it because I'm not supposed to criticize a "volunteer effort." That attitude right there is problem #1. I don't care if it's a volunteer effort, and neither do most users. We just care about what's sitting in front of us on our screen, the net output.
My point all along has been that people really need to get out of this hobbyist volunteer mindset and realize it's time to create actual results. There's no need to become corporate-minded slaves, but I do wish people would be more professional about things, from project names to interfaces to--and this is the major one--the ridiculous mindset, which you must admit, Slashdot contributes to on a daily basis (usually through "Microsoft hole" articles, when meanwhile my sig shows that distros have more exploits per month anyway...it's all ridiculous).
Professional people admit faults and correct them. We still have some of the same Linux desktop problems as we had five years ago, and people are still complaining about them. Heck, real professional people would zero in on problems before the users even notices them. Professional communities have friendly and courteous tech support, newsgroups, and so on. They have to, because it's all about the customer, i.e., the user. Linux has zealots, trolls, and fanboys. It's not all about the user when it comes to Linux. Mostly, it seems to be about adding enough cool features to be able to take great-looking screenshots for the back of distro boxes, but when you actually grab the mouse to use the thing, it is a disappointing experience (I still remember when GNOME under Red Hat 9 had a stuck taskbar that wouldn't stop moving around with the mouse, and when all else failed and I killed X, of course, that screwed up the boot sequence for some reason...and it was a completely stock install!).
I'm tired of Linux being a hobby OS. Let's face it, outside of the server market (where it is still considered an "alternative OS" despite the fact it has the slight majority), Linux is a hobby OS. The desktop environments are just attempts to SIMULATE a desktop. They don't feel like real, seamless, responsive desktops, but they are written to LOOK like real, responsive desktops, so that people can pretend that they're cool because they use Linux in that way. I wish someone would come out with something so slick and professional that people would have no choice but to switch because of its uber-coolness and usability. This, of course, would call for a complete rewrite, because it would demand things like hardware acceleration, a sane programming API, and so on. I won't hold my breath for it, though. As a matter of fact, the only real uber-cool thing I've seen is Slicker. Its card idea is unique and innovative. Too bad it's tied in with the godawful KDE, but maybe in another few years we'll see things really shine.
But I know that won't happen because people are too busy making yet another toolkit for X or another extension or another weird project with a weird name written all in lower-case on Sourceforge. Meanwhile, in August of 2005, Longhorn is due out, with hardware acceleration, vector-scaled widgets for resolution-independent resizing, a yet-to-be-revealed photorealistic user interface, and even the ability to add and remove RAM without rebooting. I'm sorry, but I don't see all that coming in two years, because two years ago I thought we'd have stuff like that, and two years before that, and so on. It just never comes. And if you request it and wish for it, you get flamed because you're not "doing it yourself." Sometimes it's really easy to despise this community because they refuse to listen unless you're some hero programmer like Linus or Stallman. If you're a user or designer, forget it.
The joke is DEAD. Geez, people. Get over it. It's been four years since blue screens were even commonplace on Windows machines. The rest of the world moved on at the turn of the millenium.
They are all Slackware-specific. Every distro has its own collection of endless holes. If a distro includes an app with a hole, that's a part of that distro.
Read my sig for a change.
It's something I've noticed a lot lately, which is that more and more, Linux users seem to fear change. Which is interesting considering they're using an alternative operating system.
If I see another car analogy on Slashdot, I'm gonna puke.
9/23/2003 19:14 : Gentoo: openssh Multiple PAM vulnerabilities
/tmp which could allow local user to overwrite arbitrary files.
- Portable OpenSSH versions 3.7p1 and 3.7.1p1 contain multiple vulnerabilities in the new PAM code. At least one of these bugs is remotely exploitable (under a non-standard configuration, with privsep disabled).
9/17/2003 21:56 : Gentoo: sendmail Buffer overflow vulnerabilities
- Fix a buffer overflow in address parsing. Fix a potential buffer overflow in ruleset parsing. This problem is not exploitable in the default sendmail configuration.
9/16/2003 19:39 : Gentoo: openssh Buffer management error
- ll versions of OpenSSH's sshd prior to 3.7 contain a buffer management error. It is uncertain whether this error is potentially exploitable, however, we prefer to see bugs fixed proactively.
9/16/2003 15:50 : Gentoo: exim buffer overflow vulnerability
- There's a heap overflow in all versions of exim3 and exim4 prior to version 4.21. It can be exercised by anyone who can make an SMTP connection to the exim daemon.
9/15/2003 8:28 : Gentoo: mysql buffer overflow vulnerability
- Anyone with global administrative privileges on a MySQL server may execute arbitrary code even on a host he isn't supposed to have a shell on, with the privileges of the system account running the MySQL server.
9/2/2003 17:17 : Gentoo: 'atari800' buffer overflow
- atari800 contains a buffer overflow which could be used by an attacker to gain root privileges.
9/2/2003 9:34 : Gentoo: 'gallery' cross-site scripting vulnerability
- Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in search.php of Gallery 1.1 through 1.3.4 allows remote attackers to insert arbitrary web script via the searchstring parameter.
9/2/2003 9:33 : Gentoo: 'mindi' temporary file vulnerability
- Mindi creates files in
9/2/2003 9:33 : Gentoo: 'eroaster' temporary file vulnerability
- Previous eroaster versions allowwed local users to overwrite arbitrary files via a symlink attack on a temporary file that is used as a lockfile.
9/2/2003 9:32 : Gentoo: 'phpwebsite' SQL injection vulnerability
- phpwebsite contains an sql injection vulnerability in the calendar module which allows the attacker to execute sql queries.
9/1/2003 23:09 : Gentoo: horde Remote session hijacking
- An attacker could send an email to the victim who ago use of HORDE MTA in order to push it to visit a website. The website in issue log all the accesses and describe in the particular the origin of every victim.
9/1/2003 23:07 : Gentoo: vmware Insecure symlink vulnerability
- The previous GLSA 200308-03 was wrong when it stated that vmware-workstation-4.0.1-5289 would fix the problems described in the advisory.
9/1/2003 23:07 : Gentoo: pam_smb Remote buffer overflow vulnerability
- If a long password is supplied, this can cause a buffer overflow which could be exploited to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the process which invokes PAM services.
8/25/2003 17:41 : Gentoo: vmware-server env variable vulnerability
- By manipulating the VMware GSX Server and VMware Workstation environment variables, a program such as a shell session with root privileges could be started when a virtual machine is launched.
8/14/2003 16:17 : Gentoo: semi Insecure temp files
- The (1) semi MIME library 1.14.5 and earlier, and (2) wemi 1.14.0 and possibly other versions, allows local users to overwrite arbitrary files via a symlink attack on temporary files.
8/14/2003 8:36 : Gentoo: multiple vulnerabilities
- There are multiple vulnerabilities in Gentoo Linux source tree.
7/19/2003 18:06 : Gentoo: nfs-utils Denial of service
- Local or remote attacker which is capable to send RPC request to vulnerable mountd daemon could execute artitrary code or cause denial of service.
7/19/2003 18:06 : Gentoo: gnupg Unauthorized acess
- gpg needs to be setuid to make use of protected memory space, however the setgid bit all
9/23/2003 7:58 : Slackware: 'openssh' PAM vulnerability
/etc/rc.d/rc.M.
/etc/rc.d/rc.M.
- Upgraded OpenSSH 3.7.1p2 packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0 and -current. This fixes security problems with PAM authentication. It also includes several code cleanups from Solar Designer.
9/23/2003 7:57 : Slackware: 'proftpd' vulnerability
- Upgraded ProFTPD packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0 and -current. These fix a security issue where an attacker could gain a root shell by downloading a specially crafted file.
9/23/2003 7:56 : Slackware: 'wu-ftpd' vulnerability
- Upgraded WU-FTPD packages are available for Slackware 9.0 and -current. These fix a problem where an attacker could use a specially crafted filename in conjunction with WU-FTPD's conversion feature to execute arbitrary commands on the server.
9/17/2003 15:35 : Slackware: sendmail multiple vulnerabilities
- There are multiple vulnerabilities in the sendmail package.
9/17/2003 15:34 : Slackware: openssh buffer management errors
- These packages fix additional buffer management errors that were not corrected in the recent 3.7p1 release.
9/16/2003 19:40 : Slackware: openssh Buffer management error
- These fix a buffer management error found in versions of OpenSSH earlier than 3.7. The possibility exists that this error could allow a remote exploit, so we recommend all sites running OpenSSH upgrade to the new OpenSSH package immediately.
9/11/2003 16:02 : Slackware: pine arbitrary code execution vulnerability
- Upgraded pine packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0 and - -current.
9/9/2003 12:10 : Slackware: inetd denial of service vulnerability
- These updates fix a previously hard-coded limit of 256 connections-per-minute, after which the given service is disabled for ten minutes.
8/26/2003 17:47 : Slackware: unzip directory traversal vulnerability
- These fix a security issue where a specially crafted archive may overwrite files (including system files anywhere on the filesystem) upon extraction by a user with sufficient permissions.
8/25/2003 17:46 : Slackware: GDM file permission vulnerability
- This fixes a bug where a local user may read any system file by making a symlink to it from $HOME/.xsession-errors and using GDM's error browser to read the file.
8/1/2003 22:45 : Slackware: Konqueror Multiple vulnerabilities
- Note that this update addresses a security problem in Konqueror which may cause authentication credentials to be leaked to an unintended website through the HTTP-referer header when they have been entered into Konqueror as a URL
7/16/2003 16:13 : Slackware: nfs-utils off-by-one overflow vulnerability
- There is an off-by-one overflow in xlog() in the nfs-utils package.
7/15/2003 16:51 : Slackware: nfs-utils denial of service vulnerability
- This fixes an off-by-one buffer overflow in xlog.c which could be used by an attacker to produce a denial of NFS service, or to execute arbitrary code.
6/18/2003 21:14 : Slackware: kernel Multiple vulnerabilities
- These provide an improved version of the ptrace fix that had been applied to 2.4.20 in Slackware 9.0, and fix a potential denial of service problem with netfilter.
5/29/2003 10:25 : Slackware: cups denial of service vulnerability
- Upgraded CUPS packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0, and -current to fix a denial of service attack vulnerability.
5/23/2003 12:14 : Slackware: UPDATED: quotacheck
- An upgraded sysvinit package is available which fixes a problem with the use of quotacheck in
5/22/2003 9:49 : Slackware: quotacheck vulnerability
- An upgraded sysvinit package is available which fixes a problem with the use of quotacheck in
5/22/2003 9:47 : Slackware: mod_ssl timing based attack vulnerability
- This version provides RSA blinding by default which prevents an extended timing analysis from revealing details of the secret key to an attacker.
Read my other posts. I believe MS will fall next year.
Yeah, right. All those Windows apps and arcane hardware devices everybody uses will magically vanquish within the next 12 months.
We've been hearing that partyline since 1998.
For the zillionth time, there wasn't a Trinity during every iteration. It's not like it's the same people in every Matrix.
None of the previous Ones ever had a Trinity. The Architect states that Neo is the only one to have an affinity for a specific member of his species like that.
The two parents you see in the trailer sold the Oracle's shell to the Merovingian to protect that little kid. That's what was said in Enter The Matrix. So, she has a new shell.
All reports are that Zion was destroyed/abandoned at that time, but the battle seems to be going on in Revolutions.
There were no reports that Zion was destroyed.
Locke ordered a counterattack at the mainlines, but it was a failure when "someone" (Bane, of course) set off an EMP and disabled all the ships. That's why the guy says, "When they were done with us, the machines kept digging again," and why Neo says there are still 24 hours left before the war is over.