My point is, Linux was certainly not in high use at the time, yet it had more exploits. This was probably due to the immaturity of the software. It has much higher use these days (than it did before), yet less exploits.
Windows is the opposite. It has much higher use these days, yet more exploits.
So what you're saying is, Linux was immature software and had lots of exploits, then time passed and it got better. And Windows has much, much, much higher usage, so there are obviously more exploits.
You haven't really offered a point here. What's the relevance of Linux's immaturity in the early 90s to this discussion? You still admit Windows has higher usage and therefore more exploits.
You and I both know that if Linux were 98% market share, Linux would be non-stop exploits. Ever heard of any major insecurity issues with old MacOS server? No? Of course not, because hardly anyone uses it.
The relationship between higher use and number of exploits may seem logical, but its a bit too vague of an idea to really claim that it is one of the reasons for the large number of exploits.
You're clearly an idiot. For the 98% or so market share that Windows has--think about how much usage that is--Windows does a pretty damned good job of security. It's painfully obvious that when the vast majority of computers in the world are running the same software, you get "many eyes" on it and therefore the targeting of hackers.
Generalizations are difficult to make when it comes to security. A lot of the claims we can make are only theory. It is definitely an interesting area to watch, and will be interesting to see what patterns emerge over the coming years.
Linux wasn't mentioned in this thread until you brought it up.
I didn't state otherwise.
I didn't pretend that Linux or even open source software is the "all-secure 'solution'" I was making a point that "higher use" is about as good an argument as closed source vs open source.
Higher use is completely logical. Windows has complete market dominance. See how many exploits Linux would have if it were in +95% of the market.
You really like being made a fool of! Well, I'll keep responding to your sillyness, no matter how much you spew.
"Silliness."
Sarcasm is not an answer. Your sampling is not statistically valid. You lose again!
I wasn't being sarcastic. Actually read messageboards sometime. More people play StarCraft than WarCraft 3. The numbers speak for themselves. I'll keep egging you on. Next.
Then why did you bring it up? Are we, in fact, in fifth grade? Because that's the last time I remember someone confusing who you date with whatever-the-topic-at-hand is. No, we're not! You lose again!
When someone desperately repeats "you lose again," it always amuses me.
According to this guy, you're actually the loser you're describing me as. Not that I trust an AC, but, uh, if its true I think you should seek out a psychologist.
I love strawman arguments. "Not that I think it's true, but..."
Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of, it often stems from chemical imbalances. Your self-denigrating behavior is indicitive of a mind with some potentially serious problems. (IANAP)
Why is it whenever someone says "copyright infringement" is "stealing" someone comes by to correct them by giving scientific explanations of why something like movies and music can't be stolen by downloading because they aren't tangible?
Because they're idiots used to the years of convenience of piracy and are self-justifying to render themselves "less" illegal.
Ah, a pollster. What's your sample size? What's the percentage error. What's the geographic distribution? Oh, you just overheard a guy in line at the cafeteria.
Look how flustered you get over a game. I can just keep pushing buttons. And everyone knows WarCraft 3 is a flop. My geographic distribution? The entire Internet, pal.
Not that its relevant
It's not.
but I'm getting married in October.
Looks like you think it's relevant.
And I live on the second floor of my own house. Methinks it is YOU that should get a life.
I'm not the "USWest top 1000" Battle.net obsessive. I'm also not the one lying about getting married and living on a second floor just to appease the criticisms of a troll on Slashdot.
I can keep you going forever. It's no problem for me. This is a minute out of my working day.
Sharing copyrighted files is wrong. Legally and morally.
What's the problem?
And why does someone have to be convinced piracy is a-okay ("right and good") just to be passionate about IP issues? Your justification is that the RIAA is a "far greater evil?" You're a fool.
Why are so people hung up on "educating" everyone who calls piracy stealing?
If you acquire something you didn't pay for, you stole it. You can say you stole it by stealing potential revenue. You can say that you stole it, and the money you would have paid to the owner now belongs to them, so that $15 in your wallet is their money and you're stealing it. Whatever the case, you were supposed to give money in order to obtain the item. However, you deprived the owner of an exchange of value. That is stealing.
Whenever someone comes on to try to tell people piracy is not stealing, I have to laugh. It's like they're justifying it to themselves, as though piracy is less bad if people call it was it really is--stealing.
There was an argument where in about 15 different posts you tried to pursuade me that there was no strategy to warcraft.
It's called trolling.
You have since given up, and claimed you were taking an deliberately non-sensical position in order to stimulate discussion.
Read my journals. I was trolling. You got trolled. Quite easily. I'm still keeping you going.
Personally I suspect you're repeating something you heard someone else say. Apperantly you thought they were pretty correct though, cuz you sure repeated what you were told plenty of times. Good little simpleton!
If I'm repeating anything, it's what every other real-time strategy gamer is saying about the flop that is WarCraft 3.
Your first sentance is an opinion, and as much as anyone is entitled to their own, you are entitled to yours. Your second sentance asserts that "everyone" has stopped playing Warcraft, which is obviously absurd. Doubtless some people have stopped. Perhaps even most people have. But clearly not "everyone". Duh. Bang the rocks together, man.
Have you ever even been with a woman? Do you live in a basement?
1.) There was no argument. 2.) WarCraft 3 is considered the scourge of real-time gaming. It is a huge flop, and everyone went back to StarCraft already.
But go ahead. You're a Blizzard fanboy, so live in your dreamworld where Battle.net ratings are important.
XPDF and GGV. It's sad that it's not geeky to me, and I understand what they are.
Seriously, though, I wish people would actually come up with names for their programs instead of slapping on a prefix of x, K, G, or using an acronym.
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You're kidding, right?
Of course apps are the problem.
Not only games, but crappy apps like, say, Xine, whose open button says "://".
How do you uninstall a program in KDE? Oh, well of coures you know, because you know what "RPMs" are and where to go for that--you look for "Package Manager." But normal users who actually expect sanity in their desktop systems will expect install/uninstall programs, not packages. You can't even drag around menu items.
There is a severe usability problem in the Linux desktop world that people are in denial about. There's always something to blame. In your case, you take the tired route of finding some way to blame Microsoft. It's ridiculous.
Of course users will care if they're in the Linux world and none of their software works, and they can't go to a store and find any. People who use Norton Antivirus or play the Sims or use Photoshop (Gimp sucks in comparison) or Dreamweaver or Office. The Linux clone versions don't compare.
Because a new major version of Linux is like a new major version of Windows. More hardware drivers, better performance, and so forth. Are you for real? The kernel is RUNNING those mail programs and desktop environments.
Yes, "internet guy." Go outside and obtain a real social life. But first, attempt to skirt the fact that I've kept you going far too long. Gullible as you are, you are part of a larger experiment in reactionary fanboyism. Your love of Blizzard blinds you.
You were one of the boring ones. It was obvious I was trolling from the first post.
So, lets recount your argument: 1) War3 is only "rushing"
Correct.
2) "rushing" is attacking with units of same type
Correct. Among other things, rushing includes swarming with units.
You have not yet explained how your worldview accepts ghoul-garg as a viable strategy.
Yes, I have. It's a variation of rushing. Next.
While you're at it, please explain why these are not viable strategies: shaman-wyvern or wolfrider-drop or seige-drop or knight-priest-pally. I could go on like this all day.
I know you could, because you're a basement-dwelling fanboy who has never seen a vagina in his life. Those are all rushing variations.
Also, explain again to me your Warcraft3 qualifications again? You say you play Lan games at school. You've never explicitly said how many hours you've logged on War3. You sound like a newb.
Again, the fanboy "USWest top 1000" Blizzard fanboy gamer emerges. Clearly, you spend too much time on a bad computer game. "newb?" You and I both know I have won this discussion both logically, and now, intellectually.
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My point is, Linux was certainly not in high use at the time, yet it had more exploits. This was probably due to the immaturity of the software. It has much higher use these days (than it did before), yet less exploits.
Windows is the opposite. It has much higher use these days, yet more exploits.
So what you're saying is, Linux was immature software and had lots of exploits, then time passed and it got better. And Windows has much, much, much higher usage, so there are obviously more exploits.
You haven't really offered a point here. What's the relevance of Linux's immaturity in the early 90s to this discussion? You still admit Windows has higher usage and therefore more exploits.
You and I both know that if Linux were 98% market share, Linux would be non-stop exploits. Ever heard of any major insecurity issues with old MacOS server? No? Of course not, because hardly anyone uses it.
The relationship between higher use and number of exploits may seem logical, but its a bit too vague of an idea to really claim that it is one of the reasons for the large number of exploits.
You're clearly an idiot. For the 98% or so market share that Windows has--think about how much usage that is--Windows does a pretty damned good job of security. It's painfully obvious that when the vast majority of computers in the world are running the same software, you get "many eyes" on it and therefore the targeting of hackers.
Generalizations are difficult to make when it comes to security. A lot of the claims we can make are only theory. It is definitely an interesting area to watch, and will be interesting to see what patterns emerge over the coming years.
Nice ambiguous backtrack.
Next.
Linux wasn't mentioned in this thread until you brought it up.
I didn't state otherwise.
I didn't pretend that Linux or even open source software is the "all-secure 'solution'" I was making a point that "higher use" is about as good an argument as closed source vs open source.
Higher use is completely logical. Windows has complete market dominance. See how many exploits Linux would have if it were in +95% of the market.
Next.
Why is it that whenever someone criticizes Windows for insecurity, the only retort is a jab at Linux?
Because when someone acts as though Windows is completely insecure, they 99% of the time pretend Linux is the all-secure "solution."
Neither does the fact that the source code is closed.
Open source software doesn't automatically mean secure code. See? You illustrate my point above.
You're right, all Linux software is 100% secure and has never had a hole.
Also, the MUCH MUCH higher use of Windows has nothing to do with it.
You really like being made a fool of! Well, I'll keep responding to your sillyness, no matter how much you spew.
"Silliness."
Sarcasm is not an answer. Your sampling is not statistically valid. You lose again!
I wasn't being sarcastic. Actually read messageboards sometime. More people play StarCraft than WarCraft 3. The numbers speak for themselves. I'll keep egging you on. Next.
Then why did you bring it up? Are we, in fact, in fifth grade? Because that's the last time I remember someone confusing who you date with whatever-the-topic-at-hand is. No, we're not! You lose again!
When someone desperately repeats "you lose again," it always amuses me.
According to this guy, you're actually the loser you're describing me as. Not that I trust an AC, but, uh, if its true I think you should seek out a psychologist.
I love strawman arguments. "Not that I think it's true, but..."
Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of, it often stems from chemical imbalances. Your self-denigrating behavior is indicitive of a mind with some potentially serious problems. (IANAP)
You can bait so much better than this. Next.
Why is it whenever someone says "copyright infringement" is "stealing" someone comes by to correct them by giving scientific explanations of why something like movies and music can't be stolen by downloading because they aren't tangible?
Because they're idiots used to the years of convenience of piracy and are self-justifying to render themselves "less" illegal.
Ah, a pollster. What's your sample size? What's the percentage error. What's the geographic distribution? Oh, you just overheard a guy in line at the cafeteria.
Look how flustered you get over a game. I can just keep pushing buttons. And everyone knows WarCraft 3 is a flop. My geographic distribution? The entire Internet, pal.
Not that its relevant
It's not.
but I'm getting married in October.
Looks like you think it's relevant.
And I live on the second floor of my own house. Methinks it is YOU that should get a life.
I'm not the "USWest top 1000" Battle.net obsessive. I'm also not the one lying about getting married and living on a second floor just to appease the criticisms of a troll on Slashdot.
I can keep you going forever. It's no problem for me. This is a minute out of my working day.
Sharing copyrighted files is wrong. Legally and morally.
What's the problem?
And why does someone have to be convinced piracy is a-okay ("right and good") just to be passionate about IP issues? Your justification is that the RIAA is a "far greater evil?" You're a fool.
And piracy is an IP issue, you know.
Yes, one can steal software, movies, and music.
Why are so people hung up on "educating" everyone who calls piracy stealing?
If you acquire something you didn't pay for, you stole it. You can say you stole it by stealing potential revenue. You can say that you stole it, and the money you would have paid to the owner now belongs to them, so that $15 in your wallet is their money and you're stealing it. Whatever the case, you were supposed to give money in order to obtain the item. However, you deprived the owner of an exchange of value. That is stealing.
Whenever someone comes on to try to tell people piracy is not stealing, I have to laugh. It's like they're justifying it to themselves, as though piracy is less bad if people call it was it really is--stealing.
There was an argument where in about 15 different posts you tried to pursuade me that there was no strategy to warcraft.
It's called trolling.
You have since given up, and claimed you were taking an deliberately non-sensical position in order to stimulate discussion.
Read my journals. I was trolling. You got trolled. Quite easily. I'm still keeping you going.
Personally I suspect you're repeating something you heard someone else say. Apperantly you thought they were pretty correct though, cuz you sure repeated what you were told plenty of times. Good little simpleton!
If I'm repeating anything, it's what every other real-time strategy gamer is saying about the flop that is WarCraft 3.
Your first sentance is an opinion, and as much as anyone is entitled to their own, you are entitled to yours. Your second sentance asserts that "everyone" has stopped playing Warcraft, which is obviously absurd. Doubtless some people have stopped. Perhaps even most people have. But clearly not "everyone". Duh. Bang the rocks together, man.
Have you ever even been with a woman? Do you live in a basement?
It's nice to see Linux 2.6 finally get all the features I've been used to since Windows 2000 and OS X for the past few YEARS.
1.) There was no argument.
2.) WarCraft 3 is considered the scourge of real-time gaming. It is a huge flop, and everyone went back to StarCraft already.
But go ahead. You're a Blizzard fanboy, so live in your dreamworld where Battle.net ratings are important.
Because you're ignorant to think changes occur only when they have visible effects.
Next.
Sarcasm is clearly over your head.
Next.
"Every now and then?" You're the obsessed Anonymous Coward who replies to my posts. You give me power.
Please read back through the entire thread and realize at which point you were exposed.
I already told you what was happening.
Next.
Their names.
XPDF and GGV. It's sad that it's not geeky to me, and I understand what they are.
Seriously, though, I wish people would actually come up with names for their programs instead of slapping on a prefix of x, K, G, or using an acronym.
You're kidding, right?
Of course apps are the problem.
Not only games, but crappy apps like, say, Xine, whose open button says "://".
How do you uninstall a program in KDE? Oh, well of coures you know, because you know what "RPMs" are and where to go for that--you look for "Package Manager." But normal users who actually expect sanity in their desktop systems will expect install/uninstall programs, not packages. You can't even drag around menu items.
There is a severe usability problem in the Linux desktop world that people are in denial about. There's always something to blame. In your case, you take the tired route of finding some way to blame Microsoft. It's ridiculous.
Of course users will care if they're in the Linux world and none of their software works, and they can't go to a store and find any. People who use Norton Antivirus or play the Sims or use Photoshop (Gimp sucks in comparison) or Dreamweaver or Office. The Linux clone versions don't compare.
Next.
Because a new major version of Linux is like a new major version of Windows. More hardware drivers, better performance, and so forth. Are you for real? The kernel is RUNNING those mail programs and desktop environments.
Geez. What a karma whore. Seriously.
Yes, "internet guy." Go outside and obtain a real social life. But first, attempt to skirt the fact that I've kept you going far too long. Gullible as you are, you are part of a larger experiment in reactionary fanboyism. Your love of Blizzard blinds you.
You were one of the boring ones. It was obvious I was trolling from the first post.
Next.
Few things are more irritating, annoying, or obnoxious than someone who responds with "Bzzzt! Wrong answer!" It makes you look like a total jerkoff.
Just saying.
Do you know what a troll is?
There are entire websites laughing at you right now.
So, lets recount your argument:
1) War3 is only "rushing"
Correct.
2) "rushing" is attacking with units of same type
Correct. Among other things, rushing includes swarming with units.
You have not yet explained how your worldview accepts ghoul-garg as a viable strategy.
Yes, I have. It's a variation of rushing. Next.
While you're at it, please explain why these are not viable strategies: shaman-wyvern or wolfrider-drop or seige-drop or knight-priest-pally. I could go on like this all day.
I know you could, because you're a basement-dwelling fanboy who has never seen a vagina in his life. Those are all rushing variations.
Also, explain again to me your Warcraft3 qualifications again? You say you play Lan games at school. You've never explicitly said how many hours you've logged on War3. You sound like a newb.
Again, the fanboy "USWest top 1000" Blizzard fanboy gamer emerges. Clearly, you spend too much time on a bad computer game. "newb?" You and I both know I have won this discussion both logically, and now, intellectually.
Next.
I'm the one who's trolling this moron all the way to hell.