Yeah, this is one of those annoying question-based articles, where the author takes something that's highly popular and asks a controversial, irrational question ("Is the magic gone for the game console that's so popular it's still flying off shelves?"). Framing it as a question allows them to ambiguously avoid taking a position that they would have to back with clear evidence. That makes it easier to stir up reader reaction for ad revenues.
1.) If we're going to remove things from the list because you deem them "not terribly useful," why can't we do the same on OS X? 2.) I don't get your point here. Camino and NeoOffice using XUL and VCL is somehow different from FireFox and OpenOffice defining their own widget sets? 3.) Cocoa and Carbon call the same widget APIs (on top of the same foundation, Core Foundation). A lot of Cocoa's API is Objective-C code wrapping standard Carbon functions, like application menus.
Believe it or not, I don't use Safari on OS X. I like tabs.
...Safari has tabs.
Except for the fact that you get weird web-folder crap often in those mounted drive images that popup that don't have the applications shortcut in finder.
Web-folder? Are you talking about customized Finder windows with background images and such? That's not a web page; you can customize any Finder window like that.
I should probably of said this point with "open another finder window or use a existing one other than this one to drag and drop"
Click the little pill button on the upper-right of the window to get the metal sidebar again. Most DMGs contain a symlink to the Applications folder right in the window anyway.
Too bad so many Mac applications don't follow OS X's conventions then, isn't it?
Be honest--have you even used a Mac? Mac apps have an application menu where the "Check for Updates..." item goes below the "About" item. Every app I know of has that option, and many auto-check on startup.
Except Linux package management does this, and it's my opinion it's a good system, a feature that OS X lacks.
I prefer a standardized menu item to a command-line package manager for program updates.
I also 'conveniently' skipped opening a webbrowser on OS X too. Do you see a pattern here?
No, you didn't. It was the first step you listed--"Find website of program."
No, you don't, but if you want fast access to the application from the dock... (I tend to have nothing but the trash and applications folder in my dock -- But that's only because I got tired of adding each application).
Fast access from the Dock has nothing to do with package management. I could say the same thing about creating a desktop shortcut in Debian. It's padding you stuffed into the list.
My favorite thing in package discussions is when someone with an agenda towards a particular implementation writes out a list of steps. The alternative is always padded with extra steps to make it more difficult-looking while their favored implementation is reduced to look squeaky clean and easy.
You padded the Mac list with the following:
"Open disk image that contains the program." - DMGs are auto-mounted by Safari.
"Open Applications folder." - There's already an Applications shortcut on the Finder, so you just drag to that when the disk image window automatically opens.
"Create new icon in dock." - The fuck? You don't have to do this
"Have to recheck the site periodically to check for a update for a specific program" - Bullshit. This doesn't even have to do with package management, and it's an OS X convention for apps to auto-check for updates when they're run. You don't have to recheck any websites.
Your Debian list conveniently leaves out having to click the KDE start menu, fire up a Terminal window, type in the root password, waiting while the package manager goes through dependencies, etc. What a phony comparison of steps. I could just have easily reduced OS X's step to one line of "Drag app icon to Applications shortcut" in the same the way you reduced Debian's steps.
What about scientific proofs suggesting there is no global warming? You know, like the increase in ocean ice in the south or the total lack of global temperature increase since 1999 according to weather satellites. Hell, an article a while back already showed that cosmic rays affect atmospheric cloudiness.
Oh, right, this is Slashdot where we ignore all that because we want higher taxes from Euro-liberals who want us to self-loathe and feel ashamed of ourselves for existing. We believe it's all true because Al Gore and the rest of the media tells us there's a "consensus," the very opposite of the purpose of science! Speaking of religious faith...
It's not inaccurate or irrelevant to point to a better package solution that happens to be implemented in another UNIX operating system called OS X (and NeXTStep before it). Why isn't someone allowed to bring up that Linux hasn't caught onto a package implementation that's been around for 20 fucking years?
OS X style bloat? How about Linux style bloat. If you run Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, and KIllustrator, that's four entire windowing libraries and widget sets loaded into memory including libraries from two different desktop environments.
I love your evidence though. "Appears to require 4GB of ram." Right, dude. Right.
Well, when ice is increasing in the southern oceans and the global temperature record shows no increase in temperature since 1999, it tends to make a few people skeptical. But I understand if you have an agenda you need fulfilled to declare that global warming has been definitively "proven."
If I steal an object - you no longer have the object.
There's nothing in the definition that declares that the owner no longer has the object. Stealing is simply when you take something that doesn't belong to you. You can take copyrighted materials.
Piracy IS theft.
How many people out there are buying NOYTHING and only aquiring music via copying. Very few I would imagine.
Well, that settles it! kevinbr of Slashdot imagines very few. That justifies piracy and making sure artists don't get paid today.
Who cares, right? You guys argue that copyright is dead and that copyright infringement is perfectly all right. So how is it wrong for the MPAA to "violate a software license?" According to you guys, pirating is okay.
Did you even read that before posting it? Your argument is on the same level that everyone wants exactly the same house, same model and color of car, same clothes and preferably plastic surgery to all look alike.
No, it's not. It's on the same level of "most people don't want to deal with a 100 solutions, they want to deal with a few of the best ones." Sameness doesn't have anything to do with it. Do you have 50 doors going into your house? No, you have a front and a back door. Do you have 20 doorknobs on your doors, or do you have one?
People who believe usability='removing anything complicated or that I don't personally need' should be shot, usability is NOT removing features, it is ORGANISING the features so that they don't get in the way when you don't need them
Which is what Gnome has done.
PS. Anyone who does exhibit the simple=usable philosophy is likely to be a sociopath who believes that everyone but them is a moron.
This won't even be "collective property." The people won't be contributing to this. The government just wants to wrest power away from non-government entities and have even more control, and they will be controlling this as well, so even in that sense, it fails to capture the spirit of Open Source.
As for resource redistribution in the digital arena, that gets you into an argument of intellectual property rights. A skilled programmer who comes up with a kick-ass algorithm but then has it "appropriated" by a communist government would probably be just as pissed as a farmer. Either case is an example of someone's hard work being "taken" from them.
What's amusing is that some folks are calling this a victory because Open Source is in the people's hands and is a people's effort, but the brand of communism that these third-world dictatorships like Cuba employ is one where the government controls and regulates everything.
In other words, it won't be the people in control of the Open Source code; it will be the government, who just wants to wrest power away from non-government companies. If it was in control of the people, that would be, well, capitalism, because companies are made up of regular citizens selling their wares.
So, how you liking the computer you typed that post on, huh? Is it pretty nice? THANKS, CAPITALISM.
How about the house or apartment you're in? Pretty nice, how it's all well-built with construction materials and designed by some house manufacturing company. THANKS, CAPITALISM.
And the car you drive to work or school? That thing has an advanced combustion engine built by friggin' robots! THANKS, CAPITALISM.
You like the clothes you're wearing? I bet they're pretty nice clothes. THANKS, CAPITALISM.
So, it appears that supposed "blind luck" and those "craptacular market failures" are doing pretty well, at least to better your life. There's always something really odd to me when someone uses a bunch of products produced from capitalism to criticize capitalism. The real reason lefties love communism is because it puts all the power into the government's hands. Instead of the people regulating their market as consumers, the government controls and regulates everything in your life as a gigantic, expensive nanny state.
If you'll forgive my saying this, you sound like one of those people who responds to every criticism of Bush by bringing up something Clinton did.
People do this to bring up double-standards of the criticizer. Clinton did nearly everything today's anti-war Democrats criticize Bush for, and pointing that out is simply making a point about self-serving politics. It's the same reason people point out that every single Democratic leader--Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc.--were in favor of a troop surge as recently as last December. Then Bush brought it up, and suddenly the Democrats are against it.
Thank you for that. It seems to me that many people who self-diagnose don't realize how crippling it is. Your life has to be negatively affected by the symptoms for the diagnosis to stick, and I don't just mean you stammered when you spoke to a girl once. Having Asperger's is incredibly frustrating because you take everything literally, you can't read what people are "really" saying, you get "stuck" when people aren't totally specific with instructions or commands, etc. It's awful because you're aware of your limitations, but you just don't know how to break through them no matter how hard you try.
You know, the weird thing is that for many years, we all raved about how down-to-earth and carefree Linus was, and how he didn't get involved in Internet spats because he was a geek too busy working on Linux. In recent years, however, he's taken public stances and hurled a few insults here and there. This Gnome criticism is just stupid. Linus doesn't know EVERYTHING; he should leave the Gnome interface to the people who design the Gnome interface. It's not thinking users are stupid when you don't provide the overwhelming configurability that messy interfaces like KDE provide. It's just recognizing that the majority of people in the world just don't care and want something that is already the best solution, because they don't want to have to configure anything. As a kernel geek, it doesn't surprise me that Linus doesn't get that.
Okay, once more: Most enemies don't level at all. Rats, boars, crabs, and so forth.
Wow, so the rats, boars, crabs, and other random environment animals don't level. Which is because they're replaced by more powerful enemies in the leveled lists.
In general, there are lists of similar critters, and usually only the most powerful one of the list levels. You seem to agree with this, as you agree that rats don't level. However, other people (including other people who responded to my previous comment, and the person who I responded to) don't realize this.
When people talk about Oblivion's leveled enemies, they're not just referring to enemies themselves leveling (except for bandits). They're referring to the leveled lists that spawn enemies based on your level. If you go and do Kvatch at level 1, you just get a bunch of easy scamps. If you do it at a higher level, you find Atranochs. Rats don't level because they get replaced with boars or lions.
Now, as I said before, as you gain levels, you encounter harder monsters, in addition to the easier ones. That certainly isn't the same as "everything else advances at the exact same rate".
But everything does! You encounter enemies specific to your level, so there's little dynamic to the adventures. Level ends up being irrelevant because the whole game world changes very specifically to your level. Morrowind balanced this by having a lot of hand-placed enemies and items.
It is disappointing that you resort to personal attacks.
The fuck? How is pointing out that you didn't address bandits a "personal attack?"
As I said, a few enemies level. Bandits are one of those few. Why you single those out I don't know.
Because bandits are everywhere and are the biggest example of Oblivion's leveling!
Okay, did the person I was responding to mention Arena combatants? No, they didn't. I could hardly respond to something before the topic was brought up, now could I?
Well, when you're defending the leveling. I was mentioning the things you didn't address, like leveled bandits, Arena combatants, and loot.
Yes, arena combatants are leveled. But, unless you have a really, really strange character build you will certainly get enough experience to gain levels before becoming Arena Champion.
Not if you go straight to the Arena. You don't even need to go to sleep if you do level up. Just fight through the Arena on level 1 and be done with it.
So if the game tells you that you should rest to gain a level, and puts an icon on your screen to remind you to do so, it is really perverse to refuse to do so and then complain that you are still level 1!
It's perverse that the game is so easily broken by not sleeping in a bed! Even if you do sleep, you might reach level 2 or 3 and still become the greatest fighter in all the land? Why, so the player's self-esteem isn't hurt if they're beaten by a higher-level character?
Office 2007 impresses me. It's the first innovative thing I've seen come from them in years. The ribbon is actually pretty fun to use, and it gets rid of those stupid taskbars on the side that were in XP and 2003. Word probably benefits the most from the ribbon. Excel also gets the cool page view that Mac Office has had for years now.
Ballmer didn't "admit that previous sales forecasts were 'overly aggressive'".
Yes, he did.
The word "admit" implies that you are conceding something that you tried to conceal before.
No, it's just admitting bad news. If I admit Matrix Revolutions sucked ass, it doesn't mean I was praising it before. It just means I'm saying something I wish wasn't true, but is. Admit means "confess to be true or to be the case, typically with reluctance" according to the Oxford dictionary built into OS X.
I seem to recall the phrase "as big a leap as Windows 95" being mentioned a lot in an attempt to recapture that successful launch. Some analysts got caught up in the hype. Ballmer is admitting that those analysts are wrong.
XP was an entire kernel change. Vista, however, is so rushed and incomplete that SP1 is actually coming later this year. A service pack in the same year of release. Ouch.
I'd like to apologize on behalf of regular society for the fact we don't visit coffee shops to discuss more meaningful things like Vista sales compared to XP's or Office 2007's ribbon bar. Instead, we discuss fun things like Anna Nicole Smith to blow off stream from the stress of our regular lives.
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Yeah, this is one of those annoying question-based articles, where the author takes something that's highly popular and asks a controversial, irrational question ("Is the magic gone for the game console that's so popular it's still flying off shelves?"). Framing it as a question allows them to ambiguously avoid taking a position that they would have to back with clear evidence. That makes it easier to stir up reader reaction for ad revenues.
1.) If we're going to remove things from the list because you deem them "not terribly useful," why can't we do the same on OS X?
2.) I don't get your point here. Camino and NeoOffice using XUL and VCL is somehow different from FireFox and OpenOffice defining their own widget sets?
3.) Cocoa and Carbon call the same widget APIs (on top of the same foundation, Core Foundation). A lot of Cocoa's API is Objective-C code wrapping standard Carbon functions, like application menus.
Web-folder? Are you talking about customized Finder windows with background images and such? That's not a web page; you can customize any Finder window like that.
Click the little pill button on the upper-right of the window to get the metal sidebar again. Most DMGs contain a symlink to the Applications folder right in the window anyway.
Be honest--have you even used a Mac? Mac apps have an application menu where the "Check for Updates..." item goes below the "About" item. Every app I know of has that option, and many auto-check on startup.
I prefer a standardized menu item to a command-line package manager for program updates.
No, you didn't. It was the first step you listed--"Find website of program."
Fast access from the Dock has nothing to do with package management. I could say the same thing about creating a desktop shortcut in Debian. It's padding you stuffed into the list.
You padded the Mac list with the following:
Your Debian list conveniently leaves out having to click the KDE start menu, fire up a Terminal window, type in the root password, waiting while the package manager goes through dependencies, etc. What a phony comparison of steps. I could just have easily reduced OS X's step to one line of "Drag app icon to Applications shortcut" in the same the way you reduced Debian's steps.
What about scientific proofs suggesting there is no global warming? You know, like the increase in ocean ice in the south or the total lack of global temperature increase since 1999 according to weather satellites. Hell, an article a while back already showed that cosmic rays affect atmospheric cloudiness.
Oh, right, this is Slashdot where we ignore all that because we want higher taxes from Euro-liberals who want us to self-loathe and feel ashamed of ourselves for existing. We believe it's all true because Al Gore and the rest of the media tells us there's a "consensus," the very opposite of the purpose of science! Speaking of religious faith...
It's not inaccurate or irrelevant to point to a better package solution that happens to be implemented in another UNIX operating system called OS X (and NeXTStep before it). Why isn't someone allowed to bring up that Linux hasn't caught onto a package implementation that's been around for 20 fucking years?
OS X style bloat? How about Linux style bloat. If you run Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, and KIllustrator, that's four entire windowing libraries and widget sets loaded into memory including libraries from two different desktop environments.
I love your evidence though. "Appears to require 4GB of ram." Right, dude. Right.
Well, when ice is increasing in the southern oceans and the global temperature record shows no increase in temperature since 1999, it tends to make a few people skeptical. But I understand if you have an agenda you need fulfilled to declare that global warming has been definitively "proven."
There's nothing in the definition that declares that the owner no longer has the object. Stealing is simply when you take something that doesn't belong to you. You can take copyrighted materials.
Piracy IS theft.
Well, that settles it! kevinbr of Slashdot imagines very few. That justifies piracy and making sure artists don't get paid today.
Who cares, right? You guys argue that copyright is dead and that copyright infringement is perfectly all right. So how is it wrong for the MPAA to "violate a software license?" According to you guys, pirating is okay.
No, it's not. It's on the same level of "most people don't want to deal with a 100 solutions, they want to deal with a few of the best ones." Sameness doesn't have anything to do with it. Do you have 50 doors going into your house? No, you have a front and a back door. Do you have 20 doorknobs on your doors, or do you have one?
Which is what Gnome has done.
Looks like you're projecting here.
Next.
The old ladies at my office actually load up Internet Explorer, which loads MSN.com, then use the search field to type www.yahoo.com to get to Yahoo.
And I do tech support for these people. I have horror stories.
This won't even be "collective property." The people won't be contributing to this. The government just wants to wrest power away from non-government entities and have even more control, and they will be controlling this as well, so even in that sense, it fails to capture the spirit of Open Source.
As for resource redistribution in the digital arena, that gets you into an argument of intellectual property rights. A skilled programmer who comes up with a kick-ass algorithm but then has it "appropriated" by a communist government would probably be just as pissed as a farmer. Either case is an example of someone's hard work being "taken" from them.
What's amusing is that some folks are calling this a victory because Open Source is in the people's hands and is a people's effort, but the brand of communism that these third-world dictatorships like Cuba employ is one where the government controls and regulates everything.
In other words, it won't be the people in control of the Open Source code; it will be the government, who just wants to wrest power away from non-government companies. If it was in control of the people, that would be, well, capitalism, because companies are made up of regular citizens selling their wares.
So, how you liking the computer you typed that post on, huh? Is it pretty nice? THANKS, CAPITALISM.
How about the house or apartment you're in? Pretty nice, how it's all well-built with construction materials and designed by some house manufacturing company. THANKS, CAPITALISM.
And the car you drive to work or school? That thing has an advanced combustion engine built by friggin' robots! THANKS, CAPITALISM.
You like the clothes you're wearing? I bet they're pretty nice clothes. THANKS, CAPITALISM.
So, it appears that supposed "blind luck" and those "craptacular market failures" are doing pretty well, at least to better your life. There's always something really odd to me when someone uses a bunch of products produced from capitalism to criticize capitalism. The real reason lefties love communism is because it puts all the power into the government's hands. Instead of the people regulating their market as consumers, the government controls and regulates everything in your life as a gigantic, expensive nanny state.
People do this to bring up double-standards of the criticizer. Clinton did nearly everything today's anti-war Democrats criticize Bush for, and pointing that out is simply making a point about self-serving politics. It's the same reason people point out that every single Democratic leader--Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc.--were in favor of a troop surge as recently as last December. Then Bush brought it up, and suddenly the Democrats are against it.
Thank you for that. It seems to me that many people who self-diagnose don't realize how crippling it is. Your life has to be negatively affected by the symptoms for the diagnosis to stick, and I don't just mean you stammered when you spoke to a girl once. Having Asperger's is incredibly frustrating because you take everything literally, you can't read what people are "really" saying, you get "stuck" when people aren't totally specific with instructions or commands, etc. It's awful because you're aware of your limitations, but you just don't know how to break through them no matter how hard you try.
No kidding; communism is clearly superior. Pardon me while I type this on a computer produced from CAPITALISM.
You know, the weird thing is that for many years, we all raved about how down-to-earth and carefree Linus was, and how he didn't get involved in Internet spats because he was a geek too busy working on Linux. In recent years, however, he's taken public stances and hurled a few insults here and there. This Gnome criticism is just stupid. Linus doesn't know EVERYTHING; he should leave the Gnome interface to the people who design the Gnome interface. It's not thinking users are stupid when you don't provide the overwhelming configurability that messy interfaces like KDE provide. It's just recognizing that the majority of people in the world just don't care and want something that is already the best solution, because they don't want to have to configure anything. As a kernel geek, it doesn't surprise me that Linus doesn't get that.
Wow, so the rats, boars, crabs, and other random environment animals don't level. Which is because they're replaced by more powerful enemies in the leveled lists.
When people talk about Oblivion's leveled enemies, they're not just referring to enemies themselves leveling (except for bandits). They're referring to the leveled lists that spawn enemies based on your level. If you go and do Kvatch at level 1, you just get a bunch of easy scamps. If you do it at a higher level, you find Atranochs. Rats don't level because they get replaced with boars or lions.
But everything does! You encounter enemies specific to your level, so there's little dynamic to the adventures. Level ends up being irrelevant because the whole game world changes very specifically to your level. Morrowind balanced this by having a lot of hand-placed enemies and items.
The fuck? How is pointing out that you didn't address bandits a "personal attack?"
Because bandits are everywhere and are the biggest example of Oblivion's leveling!
Well, when you're defending the leveling. I was mentioning the things you didn't address, like leveled bandits, Arena combatants, and loot.
Not if you go straight to the Arena. You don't even need to go to sleep if you do level up. Just fight through the Arena on level 1 and be done with it.
It's perverse that the game is so easily broken by not sleeping in a bed! Even if you do sleep, you might reach level 2 or 3 and still become the greatest fighter in all the land? Why, so the player's self-esteem isn't hurt if they're beaten by a higher-level character?
Office 2007 impresses me. It's the first innovative thing I've seen come from them in years. The ribbon is actually pretty fun to use, and it gets rid of those stupid taskbars on the side that were in XP and 2003. Word probably benefits the most from the ribbon. Excel also gets the cool page view that Mac Office has had for years now.
Yes, he did.
No, it's just admitting bad news. If I admit Matrix Revolutions sucked ass, it doesn't mean I was praising it before. It just means I'm saying something I wish wasn't true, but is. Admit means "confess to be true or to be the case, typically with reluctance" according to the Oxford dictionary built into OS X.
I seem to recall the phrase "as big a leap as Windows 95" being mentioned a lot in an attempt to recapture that successful launch. Some analysts got caught up in the hype. Ballmer is admitting that those analysts are wrong.
XP was an entire kernel change. Vista, however, is so rushed and incomplete that SP1 is actually coming later this year. A service pack in the same year of release. Ouch.
I'd like to apologize on behalf of regular society for the fact we don't visit coffee shops to discuss more meaningful things like Vista sales compared to XP's or Office 2007's ribbon bar. Instead, we discuss fun things like Anna Nicole Smith to blow off stream from the stress of our regular lives.