It's true there are more registers, but that's not due to 64-bit computing; it's due to AMD's implementation of their 64-bit chips. You're right that you can target newer technologies you can assume are there, but that doesn't require 64-bit chips either (particularly on the Mac where the oldest x86 chip they will have is the Core Duo, which has things like SSE3, so that will be the compile target).
I took the liberty of correcting your post for you:
Microsoft's new Vista operating systems and Office suite, because both should include massive marketing buzzwords like "64-bit enhancements." 64-bit isn't going to make Office any better, or most any consumer desktop application, for that matter. It's a buzzword to sell new computers, so Microsoft can sell more copies of Windows, since OEM sales are their majority of revenues. And who wants to be stuck with a notebook twelve months from now that can't handle 64-bit programs when you could waste money on a trend you don't need? After all, Excel is so much better with bigger pointers!
Merom and Conroe will be 64-bit in six months. Besides, 64-bit computing is totally overrated hype designed to get you to buy a new computer so Microsoft can sell more copies of Windows Vista (the majority of Windows sales come from OEM pre-installations).
Yonah competes performance-wise with an Athlon 64 3800+ X2, and yet it consumes less power at 100% than the Athlon does when idle. I think it's safe to say Intel is coming out with the gloves on in 2006.
The effects are cancelled with the increased cache bloat, pointer size, and so on. 64-bit is an overrated effort to sell new hardware. Desktop users don't need to address more than 4GB of RAM today, and wouldn't need to for at least another three years. Beyond the ability to address more RAM, 32-bit chips already do 64-bit (and 128-bit) math operations, so there's little benefit.
Well, for some reason, everyone on Slashdot has a hard-on for AMD no matter what they do. Intel's new laptop chip is keeping up with a desktop Athlon64 3800+ X2, and Intel's 64-bit desktop chip Conroe with 4MB cache is ahead of schedule and due this summer. It's cool AMD took some market from Intel last year, but Yonah is kicking butt, and the coming redesigned Merom/Conroe chip means this year is a big one for Intel. Meanwhile, AMD still has yet to get 65nm going. So, I don't get the constant AMD obsession, but that's just me.
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I suddenly realized nobody reads article links, so before someone mods down eoban's post without reading the link, the joke is that he wrote the same thing for Apple-X.net in his news post. Nearly word for word.
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Congrats, you ripped off a bunch of word-for-word text from the Apple-X news post on this subject, the mods fell for it, and now you have a +5 comment. Bravo.
Yes, the Jews are responsible for everything bad! They even caused the extinction of the dinosaurs! It's a worldwide conspiracy, along with the aliens and Bigfoot!
I just pointed out the 100% true fact that liberals can't argue anything. They won't argue; they'll call you names like "Nazi" while claiming to be tolerant. They can't accept when facts are put in their face and will just call Bush a "liar" again to distract the issue. This is the group of people who throws Oreo cookies at a black Republican and thinks that it's a meaningful, intellectual statement.
Conservative people don't take to the streets and wear Nazi gear while holding picket signs. Liberals are just really insane people, way out of the mainstream but in bed with the mainstream press which is the only reason we ever hear from them. It's the reason they keep losing elections. They think they're hip, enlightened people because they're liberal and "against the grain," when they're really just trendy counterculturalists. Whatever.
Your post proved my point. Mine was modded down to -1, while yours was modded up. The difference? Mine bashes liberals while yours bashes Republicans. I could swap Democrats for Republicans in your post and it would still be just as accurate:
I am generally more of a moderate (A moderate who hasn't posted to slashdot in about 3 years and no longer has the email account at which he can retrieve his password) and I have noticed a trend where the democrats accuse, in a specific and calculated way, republicans of the behavior that the democrats are engaging in.
They accuse the republicans of the politics of destruction They accuse the republicans of arguing through emotion rather than reason They accuse the republicans of not caring about our basic rights They accuse the republicans of engaging in judicial activism.
I wasn't even talking about Democrats and Republicans; I was referring to the loony Ultra-Left that has taken over Slashdot moderation. If you bash the right, you get modded up; bash the left like I did, get modded down. It's sheepish groupthink.
...I hate George W. Bush and all of his people because they have done an incredible amount of damage to this nation I hold so dear. I hate them because they are professional liars, thieves, brigands without conscience. I hate them, fully and completely, on the record.
Yes, that is what liberals do today. They hate people. Instead of arguing their position, they just hate you and make sarcastic comments about you. It's all emotion instead of logic and reasoning. Argue with a conservative and they'll tell you exactly why you're wrong, why they think you're wrong, and the evidence supporting why you're wrong. Argue with a liberal, and they'll just throw emotion-based insults at you and call Bush a "liar." Witness it here on Slashdot where random anti-Bush comments are often modded up, while pro-Bush comments are modded down, furthering the censoring of opposing opinion. Your post is an obvious exception, but that's simply because you were obviously trolling.
Ann Coulter is right when she says the Left today doesn't know how to argue, so they resort to shouting you down with nude pickets and signs and endless Nazi references. They call themselves tolerant, but they're only tolerant of you if you don't hold a viewpoint opposing theirs.
Despite Google's supporting Beijing in its attempt to suppress human rights and democracy, the company has taken a courageous stand in supporting human rights in the USA. Google was the last place where I would expect to find a champion of privacy rights.
How quickly people forget the tracking Google cookie and the indefinite archiving of your search phrases and Gmail archives.
And what does human rights have to do with the DoJ request?
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One thing I'm not seeing being discussed in the press is the fact that Bill Gates and Ballmer over at Microsoft must be pissed over this. They want to take over the living room, but now Jobs is part of Disney, who owns ABC, ESPN, Miramax, etc--he IS the living room. So he's got the content, and Apple will provide the means. Microsoft's road to the living room just got even tougher.
I wonder if Ballmer will Fucking Kill (tm) Disney over this.
I wish people on Slashdot would stop whining about iTunes' DRM. It's the most lax DRM out there. I have yet to come across a restriction that prevented me from doing what I wanted.
There is about a 10-20% increase in performance in some AMD 64 tests, but the increase in cache, pointer size, and other factors can cancel out the speed.
Also, the added registers don't have anything specifically to do with 64-bit and are additions from AMD. It's not that they're a benefit of 64-bit; they're a benefit of AMD's implementation of their 64-bit chips.
How is one company's CEO suggesting another company can't win unless they adopt their approach a "bad" thing? What is monopolistic about it? In fact, isn't suggesting someone else offer a product kinda, well, anti-monopolistic?
You can freely buy a competing MP3 player. If Apple was, say, strong-arming retail stores into only selling iPods the way Microsoft forced Windows onto OEMs, THEN get back to me with the "evil monopoly" talk. Until then, whatevah.
The Apple sites keep reporting this as an "invitation" or a "suggestion," but his comment felt more like a passing remark, stating matter-of-factly that Microsoft's current approach doesn't work.
64-bit computing is overrated anyway. It's a ploy by chip manufacturers to sell everyone on yet another upgrade. In many cases, it's slower than 32-bit.
I was going to moderate you but decided to reply instead.
If everyone on Slashdot did this instead of using mod points to communicate opinion by modding down those they disagreed with, the system wouldn't be broken and the discussions would be so much more rational and have more fact-based positions presented. Your post is a perfect example.
So please, address those you disagree with instead of modding them down. That's how it's supposed to be.
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It's true there are more registers, but that's not due to 64-bit computing; it's due to AMD's implementation of their 64-bit chips. You're right that you can target newer technologies you can assume are there, but that doesn't require 64-bit chips either (particularly on the Mac where the oldest x86 chip they will have is the Core Duo, which has things like SSE3, so that will be the compile target).
I took the liberty of correcting your post for you:
Microsoft's new Vista operating systems and Office suite, because both should include massive marketing buzzwords like "64-bit enhancements." 64-bit isn't going to make Office any better, or most any consumer desktop application, for that matter. It's a buzzword to sell new computers, so Microsoft can sell more copies of Windows, since OEM sales are their majority of revenues. And who wants to be stuck with a notebook twelve months from now that can't handle 64-bit programs when you could waste money on a trend you don't need? After all, Excel is so much better with bigger pointers!
Merom and Conroe will be 64-bit in six months. Besides, 64-bit computing is totally overrated hype designed to get you to buy a new computer so Microsoft can sell more copies of Windows Vista (the majority of Windows sales come from OEM pre-installations).
Yonah competes performance-wise with an Athlon 64 3800+ X2, and yet it consumes less power at 100% than the Athlon does when idle. I think it's safe to say Intel is coming out with the gloves on in 2006.
The only difference is the AMD laptop chips use more power, but you can always plug in somewhere and recharge so really this is no disadvantage.
No, you can't always plug in somewhere and recharge. That's the point of a portable computer. Performance per watt is the new Mhz these days.
The effects are cancelled with the increased cache bloat, pointer size, and so on. 64-bit is an overrated effort to sell new hardware. Desktop users don't need to address more than 4GB of RAM today, and wouldn't need to for at least another three years. Beyond the ability to address more RAM, 32-bit chips already do 64-bit (and 128-bit) math operations, so there's little benefit.
Well, for some reason, everyone on Slashdot has a hard-on for AMD no matter what they do. Intel's new laptop chip is keeping up with a desktop Athlon64 3800+ X2, and Intel's 64-bit desktop chip Conroe with 4MB cache is ahead of schedule and due this summer. It's cool AMD took some market from Intel last year, but Yonah is kicking butt, and the coming redesigned Merom/Conroe chip means this year is a big one for Intel. Meanwhile, AMD still has yet to get 65nm going. So, I don't get the constant AMD obsession, but that's just me.
I suddenly realized nobody reads article links, so before someone mods down eoban's post without reading the link, the joke is that he wrote the same thing for Apple-X.net in his news post. Nearly word for word.
Congrats, you ripped off a bunch of word-for-word text from the Apple-X news post on this subject, the mods fell for it, and now you have a +5 comment. Bravo.
Yes, the Jews are responsible for everything bad! They even caused the extinction of the dinosaurs! It's a worldwide conspiracy, along with the aliens and Bigfoot!
I just pointed out the 100% true fact that liberals can't argue anything. They won't argue; they'll call you names like "Nazi" while claiming to be tolerant. They can't accept when facts are put in their face and will just call Bush a "liar" again to distract the issue. This is the group of people who throws Oreo cookies at a black Republican and thinks that it's a meaningful, intellectual statement.
Conservative people don't take to the streets and wear Nazi gear while holding picket signs. Liberals are just really insane people, way out of the mainstream but in bed with the mainstream press which is the only reason we ever hear from them. It's the reason they keep losing elections. They think they're hip, enlightened people because they're liberal and "against the grain," when they're really just trendy counterculturalists. Whatever.
I wasn't even talking about Democrats and Republicans; I was referring to the loony Ultra-Left that has taken over Slashdot moderation. If you bash the right, you get modded up; bash the left like I did, get modded down. It's sheepish groupthink.
It's a common misconception that women have been mistreated throughout history. A large number of civilizations revered them.
...I hate George W. Bush and all of his people because they have done an incredible amount of damage to this nation I hold so dear. I hate them because they are professional liars, thieves, brigands without conscience. I hate them, fully and completely, on the record.
Yes, that is what liberals do today. They hate people. Instead of arguing their position, they just hate you and make sarcastic comments about you. It's all emotion instead of logic and reasoning. Argue with a conservative and they'll tell you exactly why you're wrong, why they think you're wrong, and the evidence supporting why you're wrong. Argue with a liberal, and they'll just throw emotion-based insults at you and call Bush a "liar." Witness it here on Slashdot where random anti-Bush comments are often modded up, while pro-Bush comments are modded down, furthering the censoring of opposing opinion. Your post is an obvious exception, but that's simply because you were obviously trolling.
Ann Coulter is right when she says the Left today doesn't know how to argue, so they resort to shouting you down with nude pickets and signs and endless Nazi references. They call themselves tolerant, but they're only tolerant of you if you don't hold a viewpoint opposing theirs.
Despite Google's supporting Beijing in its attempt to suppress human rights and democracy, the company has taken a courageous stand in supporting human rights in the USA. Google was the last place where I would expect to find a champion of privacy rights.
How quickly people forget the tracking Google cookie and the indefinite archiving of your search phrases and Gmail archives.
And what does human rights have to do with the DoJ request?
One thing I'm not seeing being discussed in the press is the fact that Bill Gates and Ballmer over at Microsoft must be pissed over this. They want to take over the living room, but now Jobs is part of Disney, who owns ABC, ESPN, Miramax, etc--he IS the living room. So he's got the content, and Apple will provide the means. Microsoft's road to the living room just got even tougher.
I wonder if Ballmer will Fucking Kill (tm) Disney over this.
I wish people on Slashdot would stop whining about iTunes' DRM. It's the most lax DRM out there. I have yet to come across a restriction that prevented me from doing what I wanted.
There is about a 10-20% increase in performance in some AMD 64 tests, but the increase in cache, pointer size, and other factors can cancel out the speed.
Also, the added registers don't have anything specifically to do with 64-bit and are additions from AMD. It's not that they're a benefit of 64-bit; they're a benefit of AMD's implementation of their 64-bit chips.
How is one company's CEO suggesting another company can't win unless they adopt their approach a "bad" thing? What is monopolistic about it? In fact, isn't suggesting someone else offer a product kinda, well, anti-monopolistic?
You can freely buy a competing MP3 player. If Apple was, say, strong-arming retail stores into only selling iPods the way Microsoft forced Windows onto OEMs, THEN get back to me with the "evil monopoly" talk. Until then, whatevah.
Not only is it a faster chip, but it's dual-core compared to its predecessor. I don't think it's crazy to say it's two times faster.
I guess that whole "digital downloads tripling in one year" thing that was reported earlier doesn't mean anything to you.
The Apple sites keep reporting this as an "invitation" or a "suggestion," but his comment felt more like a passing remark, stating matter-of-factly that Microsoft's current approach doesn't work.
64-bit computing is overrated anyway. It's a ploy by chip manufacturers to sell everyone on yet another upgrade. In many cases, it's slower than 32-bit.
Wow, nobody's heard that prediction before. Apple--proudly going out of business for 30 years.
I was going to moderate you but decided to reply instead.
If everyone on Slashdot did this instead of using mod points to communicate opinion by modding down those they disagreed with, the system wouldn't be broken and the discussions would be so much more rational and have more fact-based positions presented. Your post is a perfect example.
So please, address those you disagree with instead of modding them down. That's how it's supposed to be.