Dismissal of SCO's suit doesn't mean dismissal of IBM's countersuit.
In IBM's countersuit they accuse SCO of copyright violations and GPL violations. The GPL will have it's day in court. There is nothing SCO can do about that now.
Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.
Alpha support for ext2fs was added in 1993. So the FreeBSD fs from 2003 blows Ext2fs out of the water? No shit Sherlock.
According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).
Hmm the kernel help text doesn't say that ReiserFS support is experimental. But of course as an AC on/. you are a much more credible source
The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'.
Yeah, the only drawback they removed was the non journaling nature of EXT2FS.
Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".
Yep, having full controll of the hardware platform and documentation will do that...
The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost.
Lets compare it to Unix as you did above. I'd say the learning curve is almost non-existant. If a sheep farmer from Victoria Australia who used to use Windows (We actually have one in the Gentoo forums) can teach himself Linux so can a Unix sysadmin.
The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification.
That has not been my experience. If you find something that irritates you file a bug report.
On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.
Yep, my Linux prinserver contains bad language. Better get rid of it.
I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.
What is clear is that you have a chip on your shoulder concerning Linux. Considering that there are lots of companies currently using Linux it clearly is an option for some.
Imagine if you weren't allowed to create a web browser without paying a 100 diffrent enteties royalty fees.
Do you think it is even possible to write a program, besides Hello World, that doesn't infringe on one of IBMs patents?
IBM Lawyer: Cool idea you have there. Mind if we copy it? Me: Sure you can if you pay me 300k. IBM Lawer: Hmm, that sounds a bit expensive. I think I'll take it for free. Me: WHAT?!? IBM Lawyer: If you don't give us access to your technology for free we will bury you in legal paperwork for the next 25 years. You are infringing on patents #1324432, #4353754, #485436, #3456543 and #987231.
My dad is an Electrical Engineer. For the last 25 years he has worked for a ASIC design/manufacturing plant writing software. No one has ever bought the software he has written.
OMG Someone is actually being paid to work on software that isn't sold?!?
The same is true for programmers working for banks, car manufacturers, Boeing, the government, insurance companies, universities, walmart and other retailers like amazon.
Oh, i forgot about programmers working on embedded and telecom stuff.
Oh and programmers working for the oli and mining industries.
Oh and programmers working for the military
Oh and programmers working for NASA.
Oh and programmers working for the FBI and other lawenforcement agancies.
The first thing you get is nice optimized 3d drivers for all video cards.
Trancparency is probably useless but treating the windows contents as a texture map lets you do other cool stuff. How about smooth scrolling in your browser? No time spent redrawing windows when you move them around.
As will anyone who actually uses Debian. They all use Aptitude, or no front-end at all.
Then why does the installer throw you into dselect?
No, and my uptime is in measured in eons.
Why would I care about uptime for my desktop machine?
I could care less about version numbers. That is not why I use Debian.
Well I care about getting my soundcard to work with ALSA on my integrated vt8233 soundcard. To do this I have to use a newer version of ALSA. Sometimes version numbers actually have significance.
Ah, so you are running XFree 4.3.0 and a vanilla 2.4.20 kernel and ALSA 0.9.0rc6?
I could care less about the optimizations. That is not why I use Gentoo.
I don't know how good apt-get is since I have never actually managed to install Debian "Sorry, Debian is not perfect." I'll take bash over dselect any day.
Not to hot. The mobo is an epia m6000 which is supposed to be run fanless. Since I'm using a laptop hd and I don't have a cdrom I can get by with a 60 W fanless PSU.
Exactly. Never mind how usefull the stuff Theo creates is to the DoD. Nevermind that in a democratic country a government employee shouldn't have to agree with everything the government does as long as he does his job.
My Dads old employee used to have a really good CAD program for designing chips. It was developed inhouse. They could have sold it but management said: "We are a hardware company not a software company." Now they pay $10K per seat for similar software.
90% of developers don't produce software that is sold by the companies they work for. They produce software that the company uses. Anything that can lower development costs is a good thing.
Never mind the GNU project was started 20 years ago. Never mind the Free Software Foundation was founded 18 years ago. Granted 20 years is a long time for something to exist when it is impossible but I don't believe in open source.
The people who work on that stuff are so enlightend that they can survive on water and code alone. How are us regular programmers supposed to survive? That's right they can't and to back up that assertation I'll say that I don't believe in open source.
Something is obviously wrong with Netcrafts statistics. Apache can not have a 60% marketshare because I don't believe in open source.
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ESR has written a paper
that "analyzes the the economics of open-source software. It includes some explosion of common myths about software production economics, a game-theoretical account of why open-source cooperation is stable, and a taxonomy of open-source business models."
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Have you ever heard about trade? That is when you barter goods, services and money for goods, services and money from other people.
A lot of the people that ctizens of the United States of America trade with live outside the United States of America.
If you attack your trading partners you and they lose money and everyone is worse off.
Where do you think the money that pays for the US army comes from?
Read the grandparent post again. I think you missunderstood it.
Do you have a url to were I can purchase this player? I've been looking for a while now.
I'd be willing to spend up to $50.
Parent is absolutely correct.
Dismissal of SCO's suit doesn't mean dismissal of IBM's countersuit.
In IBM's countersuit they accuse SCO of copyright violations and GPL violations. The GPL will have it's day in court. There is nothing SCO can do about that now.
Gentoo's paackage manager Portage is written in Python.
...but the Hurd. I know it isn't really finished yet but I think we can all agree that it is still better than SCO Unix.
Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.
/. you are a much more credible source
Alpha support for ext2fs was added in 1993. So the FreeBSD fs from 2003 blows Ext2fs out of the water? No shit Sherlock.
According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).
Hmm the kernel help text doesn't say that ReiserFS support is experimental. But of course as an AC on
The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'.
Yeah, the only drawback they removed was the non journaling nature of EXT2FS.
Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".
Yep, having full controll of the hardware platform and documentation will do that...
The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost.
Lets compare it to Unix as you did above. I'd say the learning curve is almost non-existant. If a sheep farmer from Victoria Australia who used to use Windows (We actually have one in the Gentoo forums) can teach himself Linux so can a Unix sysadmin.
The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification.
That has not been my experience. If you find something that irritates you file a bug report.
On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.
Yep, my Linux prinserver contains bad language. Better get rid of it.
I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.
What is clear is that you have a chip on your shoulder concerning Linux. Considering that there are lots of companies currently using Linux it clearly is an option for some.
*bzzzt* Wrong, most software developers do not work on software that is sold, they work on stuff that buisnesses need to, well, do buisness.
How many developers do you know?
How many developers do you know that develop software that is sold?
QED
Then DON'T USE TCP/IP
INNOVATE!!!
SET THE STANDARD...
Imagine if you weren't allowed to create a web browser without paying a 100 diffrent enteties royalty fees.
Do you think it is even possible to write a program, besides Hello World, that doesn't infringe on one of IBMs patents?
IBM Lawyer: Cool idea you have there. Mind if we copy it?
Me: Sure you can if you pay me 300k.
IBM Lawer: Hmm, that sounds a bit expensive. I think I'll take it for free.
Me: WHAT?!?
IBM Lawyer: If you don't give us access to your technology for free we will bury you in legal paperwork for the next 25 years. You are infringing on patents #1324432, #4353754, #485436, #3456543 and #987231.
So just because I innovate I get a patent automatically? No. I have to pay money. Lots of it.
Ultimately, it took nearly 10 years, but along the way he had lots of help from some people who should be well known to readers of this list - Hermann Zapf, Chuck Bigelow, Kris Holmes, Matthew Carter and Richard Southall are acknowledged in the introduction to Volume E, "Computer Modern Typefaces", of the Addison-Wesley "Computers & Typesetting" book series.
But I guess it's pointless arguing if TeX is free software or not. I'm just happy I have a gratis typesetting system to write my thesis in.
Oh, and the fact that Knuth has released the code and placed bounties on any bugs found.
My dad is an Electrical Engineer. For the last 25 years he has worked for a ASIC design/manufacturing plant writing software. No one has ever bought the software he has written.
OMG Someone is actually being paid to work on software that isn't sold?!?
The same is true for programmers working for banks, car manufacturers, Boeing, the government, insurance companies, universities, walmart and other retailers like amazon.
Oh, i forgot about programmers working on embedded and telecom stuff.
Oh and programmers working for the oli and mining industries.
Oh and programmers working for the military
Oh and programmers working for NASA.
Oh and programmers working for the FBI and other lawenforcement agancies.
Etc, ad naseum.
Not peer reviewed?!?
:)
Lists of errors and amendments can be downloaded as plain TeX files or read from DVI files or PostScript files cited on the relevant web pages. You are entitled to a reward of at least $2.56 if you are the first person to report a bona-fide error not on those lists. Each page tells you how to report an error for the book in question.
I don't know of anyone wha has cashed on of those checks yet
As a Linux user I would love a 3d desktop.
The first thing you get is nice optimized 3d drivers for all video cards.
Trancparency is probably useless but treating the windows contents as a texture map lets you do other cool stuff. How about smooth scrolling in your browser? No time spent redrawing windows when you move them around.
As will anyone who actually uses Debian. They all use Aptitude, or no front-end at all.
Then why does the installer throw you into dselect?
No, and my uptime is in measured in eons.
Why would I care about uptime for my desktop machine?
I could care less about version numbers. That is not why I use Debian.
Well I care about getting my soundcard to work with ALSA on my integrated vt8233 soundcard. To do this I have to use a newer version of ALSA. Sometimes version numbers actually have significance.
Ah, so you are running XFree 4.3.0 and a vanilla 2.4.20 kernel and ALSA 0.9.0rc6?
I could care less about the optimizations. That is not why I use Gentoo.
I don't know how good apt-get is since I have never actually managed to install Debian "Sorry, Debian is not perfect." I'll take bash over dselect any day.
There are alternatives
You must be new here...
on FOSS from last year
Ah well, I guess the illusion of security is more
important than actuall security...
Not to hot. The mobo is an epia m6000 which is supposed to be run fanless. Since I'm using a laptop hd and I don't have a cdrom I can get by with a 60 W fanless PSU.
:(
You are assuming I have more than one room
The only component making any noise in my computer right now is the HDD...
Exactly. Never mind how usefull the stuff Theo creates is to the DoD. Nevermind that in a democratic country a government employee shouldn't have to agree with everything the government does as long as he does his job.
Ah well. Who cares if some cracker kill a bunch of US soldiers. We sure showed Theo. Why does he think he has the right to free speach anyway?
Free != free
My Dads old employee used to have a really good CAD program for designing chips. It was developed inhouse. They could have sold it but management said: "We are a hardware company not a software company." Now they pay $10K per seat for similar software.
90% of developers don't produce software that is sold by the companies they work for. They produce software that the company uses. Anything that can lower development costs is a good thing.
Never mind the GNU project was started 20 years ago. Never mind the Free Software Foundation was founded 18 years ago. Granted 20 years is a long time for something to exist when it is impossible but I don't believe in open source.
The people who work on that stuff are so enlightend that they can survive on water and code alone. How are us regular programmers supposed to survive? That's right they can't and to back up that assertation I'll say that I don't believe in open source.
Something is obviously wrong with Netcrafts statistics. Apache can not have a 60% marketshare because I don't believe in open source.
[/sarcasm][/frustration]
ESR has written a paper that "analyzes the the economics of open-source software. It includes some explosion of common myths about software production economics, a game-theoretical account of why open-source cooperation is stable, and a taxonomy of open-source business models."