If by "pared back" you mean that a massive freebie of externalised costs is given to coal.
If coal is more expensive than renewables in the EU its purely because of taxes placed on coal and subsidies granted to renewables. But on a level playing field coal is way cheaper.
No, forcing coal to pay for costs that they cause other third parties to incur is levelling the playing field.
Trumps economics are pretty far left. Protectionism, propping up failing industries, making promises to support labour are all left policies.
Except for probably the biggest economic choice of the left which is a social safety net of some sort. Hopefully he'll grab hold of that too, with the effects you describe.
Indeed. It's only Birmingham, Bradford and about half of London.
Huh some people aactually believe Fox news.
Tell you what so you don't look like a total idiot how about you tell me which areas of my home town (London) are no-go so I can have a good laugh at your expense.
(A clue, I'm from saafariva so the whole of North London is no go and anyway who would want to? Yo'd 'ave to go to North London innit.)
I don't follow. Evidence of what? My contention here is that it's more or less reached the point where some AC will post "liberals ate my baby" and be modded +5 informative and the inevitable "sounds like bullshit, got a link" post will get -1 troll.
In practice smart grids are hard because they are massive distributed feedback systems and it's really hard to make one so you know for sure there aren't any resonances. It gets harder still when you have automated trading systems.
If one runs riot on the stock market, then they just roll back the state of the exchange to earlier in the day (because if you're rich enough you don't take risks to make money). This has happened before. Now imagine it happening on an electrical grid where price fluctuations cause things to switch off and on. Without design that's not been figured out yet you can end up with brownouts or worse.
And that's before we get into malicious actions. Unless the security and design is good enough, it will be exploited. Possibly by a nation state but more likely a wannabe Enron who figure they can make a killing by exploiting pricing and demand.
Smart grids could be awesome. Given that in practice there will be a small number of vendors supplying those remote control boxes who are aiming at the cheapest price, the result is a potential nightmare.
In fact, in this case, it certainly *is* socialistic/totalitarian to *tell* people what they can and cannot eat*, particularly when the effects are highly dubious.
Now it's socialist for people to hear things that they might not like? Christ what a bunch of snowflakes. No one is forcing anyone to do anything here. All that's happening is some dude (with evidence) has written an open letter to an industry roup teling them he thinks they're causing trouble for themselves.
If you think private individuals writing open letters to trade organisations is socialist then you have a massively overdeveloped sense of persecution.
I'm not surprised the UK would begin attacking pork products. It was only a matter of time.
Well this as insightful shows how incredibly partisan and riht wing idiocy dominated this site has become. This whole "UK is islamic" is a weird fantasy of some segments of the American right wing, and seems poplar on Fox.
It is simply, utterly flat-out false.
Naturally I will be modded down for pointing this out.
Are you sure about that? In England it's quite clear: the definition of legal tender does not allow you to demand change. You might want to check your local legislation. It's almost certainly oddly specific.
Not really: it's an anti-dickhead law. Thing is if you say all cash is legal tender then someone can pay back a $100,000 debt using a dump truck full of pennies incurring a large cost on the recipient. Anti dickhead laws only tend to come into effect after sufficient numbers of dickheads cause the law to be changed.
The UK has different rules stating for example that 1p coins are only legal tender for settlin a debt of up to 20p.
Crikey! I make an (arguably not very good) joke on interstate rivalry and get that response?
Yes I know it's subjective. Everyone things their favorite state is the best. No one ever seems to pick New Mexico despite it being the only rational choice. OK I can't help my self being frivolous on such a topic. Seriously you should give New Mexico a fair shot. We have the best ignition interlocks in the contiguous 48.
Yes. Shit happens. Sometimes shit happens to you and it fucking sucks.
But shit happens EVERYWHERE so the fact that shit happened under a single payer healthcare system to you does not meen that single payer healthcare systems are worse than insurance based systems.
If it did then I could find someone who had a worse experience with insurance and "prove" that insurance is worse and single payer is better.
How exactly do you expect the system to work if, in the middle of Europe (rather than an autarchic place like Cuba) you pay doctors $7.3k/year, and provide a similar level of funding to stuff other than wages?
There is no magic money tree. If the GDP per capita in Poland is low, that means people do not much money for healthcare under ANY system. Moving off single payey is not going to make people have more money available.
If you think Poles don't spend enough per capita on healthcare, then there's nothing you've said that promotes a private system over higher taxes in terms of quality of healthcare (or vice versa).
Such "anecdotes" can be shared by anyone around me who also tried going to the govt doctors our taxes paid for.
You still haven't said where the extra money comes from. Magic pixies of the insurance industry don't generate money out of thin air.
That your system is not mature yet?
It's the NHS. It's the largest and one of the oldest single payer systems in the world.
It inevitably will (it's a cost center than can be raided both for other projects and for graft). Just wait a couple of government changes more...
It's not perfect, by a long shot, but I've seen nothing to indicate insurance based systems are better. And it's excellent value for money if you look at the outcomes versus money spent.
We do have single payer healthcare in Poland. [sob story about a time it went bad]
A collection of anecdotes doesn't say much about the healthcare system: shitty thins happen in all healthcare systems, including America which spends 5.5x as much per captia on healthcare as you spend in Poland.
I'm in a single payer system too and have had vastly better experiences than you. What does that prove?
Well now you've defined everyone who wants it as "dishonest" you don't have to cnsider what they're saying, what with them being dishonest and all. That means you don't have to engage your brain and actually think! problem solved!
Self-respecting people don't want it. Responsible people don't want it.
Well just in case the dishonest didn't work, you have to double- and triple down on the demonising someone with different opinions so you can really really justify not having to question any of yours.
I don't really see what's so bad about UBI. I meean I don't know if it will work but it's an interesting idea. I also love the idea that people in jobs would suddenly quit in order to sit around at home doin nothing for 1/3 of the salary.
Vermont is possibly the most awesome state to live in within the continental US actually. I've lived in several states including CA, NH, MA, AL, FL, GA, et. Al
I notice NM isn't on your list which explains why you're wrong.
If you thought about who in the White House was trying to punish coal-producing states
No one, you paranoid fuckwit, no one is trying to punish coal producing states.
Natural gas has decimated the demand for coal because it's cheaper to extract and much easier to build efficient plants. And renewables which are early lifecycle are already becoming competitive with coal [*] which is very mature tech.
And finally even if you decide to socialise all the damage of coal and just deregulate, uess what those coal producing states are still fucked because the jobs aren't coming back. Labour intensive mining is being replaced with massive labour light mechanisation where at all possible.
Those jobs are not returning.
If anything is "punishing" coal producing states, it's economics/free market capitalism.
Now get off your inane partisan high horse and et a fucking clue. With asshats like you blaming literally everything on "the other side" no wonder discourse dead and politics is fucked.
While I don't think your claim is entirely correct, certainly hurling computers at everything is not going to help. They've been reading that for nearly 40 years on and off with the same results every time.
Pencils, textbooks and boards are still startlingly effective. I think computing could reasonably pervade a lot more. But not how it's currently done. For example teaching it hand in hand with maths, it's a lot easier to experiment and toy with the concepts in a concrete form in a program.
That doesn't involve using a proprietary thing from a large vendor, so it won't catch on.
You're simply making stuff up to discount the conclusion. You didn't even read the article yet you are so very very sure it's wrong. If it's as bad as you say them finding a flaw in it ought to be very easy. So, why make up stuff and claim it as fact?
At very best times, the cumulative effect of greater throughput seems to overwhelm social programming. In that the throughput is highest when both sides stand. People keep piling on until the people behind have to pause since they're too close to someone in front. Then the person behind had to stop and it propagates all the way up leaving a standing only escalator.
It doesn't recover until the traffic volume drops below some threshold and people can move again.
It happens regularly at busy stations at busy times (e.g. Brixton which isn't the biggest but is unreserved with escalator capacity).
But they did comply which made it easier for our industry to trade in Europe.
Vegetables generally have a class 1,2,3 or unclassified rating. For better or worse people like buying nice looking vegetables. Most countries in Europe had standards for such things. This is good because if you want to buy a box of veg for general sale, you can buy from anyone (rather than a known vendor) and you know what you'll get. Likewise if you're putting them in things instead, you can buy a lower grade and not overspend.
Common standards make trading easier.
Since the EU is a common market, they decided to unify all the existing standards into one, essentially by picking our standard. This is good, because then you can buy class 2 veg from anywhere in the entire EU and you'll know what you're getting (fraud aside). It's particularly good for us because we didn't have to make any changes and with zero effort our companies could easily sell EU wide.
Somehow this got translated by Brexiteers into a drooling "herp derp Europe si teh evul and morans".
What if they'd suggested jumping in a lake?
Yes trade bodies routinely entertain stupid non trade related requests from piss artists. Seriously what point are you trying to make?
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Huh? Pared-back nothing is cheaper than coal.
If by "pared back" you mean that a massive freebie of externalised costs is given to coal.
If coal is more expensive than renewables in the EU its purely because of taxes placed on coal and subsidies granted to renewables. But on a level playing field coal is way cheaper.
No, forcing coal to pay for costs that they cause other third parties to incur is levelling the playing field.
Trumps economics are pretty far left. Protectionism, propping up failing industries, making promises to support labour are all left policies.
Except for probably the biggest economic choice of the left which is a social safety net of some sort. Hopefully he'll grab hold of that too, with the effects you describe.
If I made a fake hand, I'd use it to beat something else.
Glad it wasn't just me! I got 7 words in and that's where my mind was.
Some eggs, for instance.
Well played sir.
But since we both find these funny, have a complementary one. Here's a recent "don't masturbate" poster thing which is just hilarious:
https://i0.wp.com/www.wehunted...
If you don't want to visit the link, the text says:
"Strugling with the addiction to masturbation? Reach out to me and we will beat it toether." -- Jesus
Indeed. It's only Birmingham, Bradford and about half of London.
Huh some people aactually believe Fox news.
Tell you what so you don't look like a total idiot how about you tell me which areas of my home town (London) are no-go so I can have a good laugh at your expense.
(A clue, I'm from saafariva so the whole of North London is no go and anyway who would want to? Yo'd 'ave to go to North London innit.)
I don't consider myself any kind of warrior, but how's that for evidence: http://www.stsci.edu/news/news...?
I don't follow. Evidence of what? My contention here is that it's more or less reached the point where some AC will post "liberals ate my baby" and be modded +5 informative and the inevitable "sounds like bullshit, got a link" post will get -1 troll.
Well that and you know a giant fucking space telescope.
Who modded this shit up?
Yes in principle.
In practice smart grids are hard because they are massive distributed feedback systems and it's really hard to make one so you know for sure there aren't any resonances. It gets harder still when you have automated trading systems.
If one runs riot on the stock market, then they just roll back the state of the exchange to earlier in the day (because if you're rich enough you don't take risks to make money). This has happened before. Now imagine it happening on an electrical grid where price fluctuations cause things to switch off and on. Without design that's not been figured out yet you can end up with brownouts or worse.
And that's before we get into malicious actions. Unless the security and design is good enough, it will be exploited. Possibly by a nation state but more likely a wannabe Enron who figure they can make a killing by exploiting pricing and demand.
Smart grids could be awesome. Given that in practice there will be a small number of vendors supplying those remote control boxes who are aiming at the cheapest price, the result is a potential nightmare.
In fact, in this case, it certainly *is* socialistic/totalitarian to *tell* people what they can and cannot eat*, particularly when the effects are highly dubious.
Now it's socialist for people to hear things that they might not like? Christ what a bunch of snowflakes. No one is forcing anyone to do anything here. All that's happening is some dude (with evidence) has written an open letter to an industry roup teling them he thinks they're causing trouble for themselves.
If you think private individuals writing open letters to trade organisations is socialist then you have a massively overdeveloped sense of persecution.
I'm not surprised the UK would begin attacking pork products. It was only a matter of time.
Well this as insightful shows how incredibly partisan and riht wing idiocy dominated this site has become. This whole "UK is islamic" is a weird fantasy of some segments of the American right wing, and seems poplar on Fox.
It is simply, utterly flat-out false.
Naturally I will be modded down for pointing this out.
No, they cannot even do that.
Are you sure about that? In England it's quite clear: the definition of legal tender does not allow you to demand change. You might want to check your local legislation. It's almost certainly oddly specific.
That's a fascinatingly weird law.
Not really: it's an anti-dickhead law. Thing is if you say all cash is legal tender then someone can pay back a $100,000 debt using a dump truck full of pennies incurring a large cost on the recipient. Anti dickhead laws only tend to come into effect after sufficient numbers of dickheads cause the law to be changed.
The UK has different rules stating for example that 1p coins are only legal tender for settlin a debt of up to 20p.
Crikey! I make an (arguably not very good) joke on interstate rivalry and get that response?
Yes I know it's subjective. Everyone things their favorite state is the best. No one ever seems to pick New Mexico despite it being the only rational choice. OK I can't help my self being frivolous on such a topic. Seriously you should give New Mexico a fair shot. We have the best ignition interlocks in the contiguous 48.
"sob story"?!? "anecdotes"?!?
Yes. Shit happens. Sometimes shit happens to you and it fucking sucks.
But shit happens EVERYWHERE so the fact that shit happened under a single payer healthcare system to you does not meen that single payer healthcare systems are worse than insurance based systems.
If it did then I could find someone who had a worse experience with insurance and "prove" that insurance is worse and single payer is better.
How exactly do you expect the system to work if, in the middle of Europe (rather than an autarchic place like Cuba) you pay doctors $7.3k/year, and provide a similar level of funding to stuff other than wages?
There is no magic money tree. If the GDP per capita in Poland is low, that means people do not much money for healthcare under ANY system. Moving off single payey is not going to make people have more money available.
If you think Poles don't spend enough per capita on healthcare, then there's nothing you've said that promotes a private system over higher taxes in terms of quality of healthcare (or vice versa).
Such "anecdotes" can be shared by anyone around me who also tried going to the govt doctors our taxes paid for.
You still haven't said where the extra money comes from. Magic pixies of the insurance industry don't generate money out of thin air.
That your system is not mature yet?
It's the NHS. It's the largest and one of the oldest single payer systems in the world.
It inevitably will (it's a cost center than can be raided both for other projects and for graft). Just wait a couple of government changes more...
It's not perfect, by a long shot, but I've seen nothing to indicate insurance based systems are better. And it's excellent value for money if you look at the outcomes versus money spent.
We do have single payer healthcare in Poland. [sob story about a time it went bad]
A collection of anecdotes doesn't say much about the healthcare system: shitty thins happen in all healthcare systems, including America which spends 5.5x as much per captia on healthcare as you spend in Poland.
I'm in a single payer system too and have had vastly better experiences than you. What does that prove?
Honest people don't want it.
Well now you've defined everyone who wants it as "dishonest" you don't have to cnsider what they're saying, what with them being dishonest and all. That means you don't have to engage your brain and actually think! problem solved!
Self-respecting people don't want it. Responsible people don't want it.
Well just in case the dishonest didn't work, you have to double- and triple down on the demonising someone with different opinions so you can really really justify not having to question any of yours.
I don't really see what's so bad about UBI. I meean I don't know if it will work but it's an interesting idea. I also love the idea that people in jobs would suddenly quit in order to sit around at home doin nothing for 1/3 of the salary.
Vermont is possibly the most awesome state to live in within the continental US actually. I've lived in several states including CA, NH, MA, AL, FL, GA, et. Al
I notice NM isn't on your list which explains why you're wrong.
If you thought about who in the White House was trying to punish coal-producing states
No one, you paranoid fuckwit, no one is trying to punish coal producing states.
Natural gas has decimated the demand for coal because it's cheaper to extract and much easier to build efficient plants. And renewables which are early lifecycle are already becoming competitive with coal [*] which is very mature tech.
And finally even if you decide to socialise all the damage of coal and just deregulate, uess what those coal producing states are still fucked because the jobs aren't coming back. Labour intensive mining is being replaced with massive labour light mechanisation where at all possible.
Those jobs are not returning.
If anything is "punishing" coal producing states, it's economics/free market capitalism.
Now get off your inane partisan high horse and et a fucking clue. With asshats like you blaming literally everything on "the other side" no wonder discourse dead and politics is fucked.
While I don't think your claim is entirely correct, certainly hurling computers at everything is not going to help. They've been reading that for nearly 40 years on and off with the same results every time.
Pencils, textbooks and boards are still startlingly effective. I think computing could reasonably pervade a lot more. But not how it's currently done. For example teaching it hand in hand with maths, it's a lot easier to experiment and toy with the concepts in a concrete form in a program.
That doesn't involve using a proprietary thing from a large vendor, so it won't catch on.
You're simply making stuff up to discount the conclusion. You didn't even read the article yet you are so very very sure it's wrong. If it's as bad as you say them finding a flaw in it ought to be very easy. So, why make up stuff and claim it as fact?
No links I see. Sounds like you simply invented a fact to support your position.
Well that's pretty much the definition of ad homenim. You don't like what the authors are saying so you'd going for a character assassination instead.
You would need thousands of shotguns, and some way to aim and maintain them.
Now this is beginning to sound entertaining.
At very best times, the cumulative effect of greater throughput seems to overwhelm social programming. In that the throughput is highest when both sides stand. People keep piling on until the people behind have to pause since they're too close to someone in front. Then the person behind had to stop and it propagates all the way up leaving a standing only escalator.
It doesn't recover until the traffic volume drops below some threshold and people can move again.
It happens regularly at busy stations at busy times (e.g. Brixton which isn't the biggest but is unreserved with escalator capacity).
What stairs? Plenty of London stations only have escalators.
But they did comply which made it easier for our industry to trade in Europe.
Vegetables generally have a class 1,2,3 or unclassified rating. For better or worse people like buying nice looking vegetables. Most countries in Europe had standards for such things. This is good because if you want to buy a box of veg for general sale, you can buy from anyone (rather than a known vendor) and you know what you'll get. Likewise if you're putting them in things instead, you can buy a lower grade and not overspend.
Common standards make trading easier.
Since the EU is a common market, they decided to unify all the existing standards into one, essentially by picking our standard. This is good, because then you can buy class 2 veg from anywhere in the entire EU and you'll know what you're getting (fraud aside). It's particularly good for us because we didn't have to make any changes and with zero effort our companies could easily sell EU wide.
Somehow this got translated by Brexiteers into a drooling "herp derp Europe si teh evul and morans".
What if they'd suggested jumping in a lake?
Yes trade bodies routinely entertain stupid non trade related requests from piss artists. Seriously what point are you trying to make?