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A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds (fastcompany.com)

That shocking statistic comes from a study conducted by Amnesty International and AI software startup Element AI. From a report: In the study, called Troll Patrol, Amnesty International and Element AI looked at data from 288,000 tweets sent to 778 female politicians and journalists in the U.S. and U.K. in 2017. Using machine learning on the data, the group then extrapolated just how wide-ranging abuse toward women is on Twitter. The result: 1.1 million abusive or problematic tweets were sent to the women in the study during the year -- that's one abusive or problematic tweet every 30 seconds. And it's even worse for women of color -- and especially black women -- who were targeted more frequently than white women.

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  1. Machine learning by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that criticism is trolling.

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    1. Re:Machine learning by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Well yeah, how else can you get people to want to outlaw it?

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    2. Re:Machine learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most of it is sexist and/or degrading and/or unwanted advances, for sure, not genuine actual constructive criticism.

      a lot of twits use twitter... probably including you.

    3. Re:Machine learning by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      A response to my comment was deleted. Do the admins care to spell out why?? Or will it remain a sweet mystery of life?

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    4. Re:Machine learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must've been one of APK's anti-Chinese-modem rants.

  2. What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many men are abused or sent problematic tweets on twitter.

    Why limit research to one segment to create a self confirming headline?

    1. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      1 in 4 homeless are women. Plz halp

    2. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, fag.

      But seriously, yeah, that is a meaningless statistic without knowing if that is more or less often than men. I suspect it is worse for men. Or rather the loser males that use twitter while I bang their ex gfs. ;D

    3. Re: What does problematic mean? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Good point. Men are called "fags" all the time on the Webnets.

    4. Re:What does problematic mean? by easyTree · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares, only women and children matter. Men are to be sent into battle.

    5. Re:What does problematic mean? by hey! · · Score: 1, Informative

      Why limit research to one segment to create a self confirming headline?

      To answer your question: because you can't study everything at the same time without making assumptions you can't justify yet. This happens all the time in social sciences. Before you can safely lump things together you have to study them separately.

      On the face of it, attacks on women appear distinct in their character from attacks on men, although exactly how different is obviously possible to exaggerate. But before you object, yes, there have been studies that focus on male victims of social media bullying too, they just didn't get a mention here. Social media bullying is a hot research topic, but it's early days yet and because this is social sciences that means results are highly unreliable. This is largely because potential research populations tend to be mixed bags of apples and oranges.

      So expect a lot of research looking at various target groups: men vs. women, straight vs. gay, or as in this case women in general vs. women of color. Really the best social science tends to take big homogeneous trends and tries to parse them into distinct pieces. For example the US economy *on average* resumed reasonable growth between 2010 and 2015, but a gulf emerged between large cities, where nearly all that growth took place, and rural/small town areas which continued to see job losses and falling labor participation rates.

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    6. Re: What does problematic mean? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They really needed a control group here.

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    7. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      On the face of it, attacks on women appear distinct in their character from attacks on men, although exactly how different is obviously possible to exaggerate. But before you object, yes, there have been studies that focus on male victims of social media bullying too, they just didn't get a mention here.

      Of course they wouldn't mention it. Because those studies show overall, men receive more online abuse. That wouldn't go so well for the desired outcome of this particular "study".

    8. Re:What does problematic mean? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 0

      It means, "I have no idea what abuse actually is, and I've never been in an abusive relationship or been close to anyone who has."

    9. Re:What does problematic mean? by Chas · · Score: 0

      "Problematic" is a way to brush off counter-arguments by attempting to label any such things "problems".
      It's a discussion-avoidance tactic.
      Because the people who use it don't want to discuss the problem and come to a mutually odious solution.
      They just want Their Way with no disagreement whatsoever, so they can feel "smart" or "right" or "just".

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    10. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That study is completely useless tripe by a dimwitted liberal trying to make some point that 'women have it hard'. You know what, yeah they do. So do men. So do straights. So do whites. So does everyone. These liberal whiney losers think they are so smart because they 'have shown how hard it is for women'. Complete imbeciles. I can name a single guy who gets abused 30 TIMES PER SECOND on Twitter. So that's 900 times as frequently, by 1/778th of the population. Let's see, simple math would say that it looks like men must have it 700,200 times as hard as women!?!?

      Oh, that doesn't compute? You're right, it doesn't, and making such an ascertation would be irresponsible. But so is this study. Even without saying that 'this is soooo aweful', it has clearly been written to imply it as somehow lopsided against women and how bad all us terrible misogynists are by NOT MAKING ANY ATTEMP TO NORMALIZE WHAT THAT MEANS OR HOW IT RELATES TO THE HARDSHIPS OF ANY OTHER GROUP. That omission is designed to elicit anger. So until those irresponsible f-wads fix their study and all the articles that devolved from it, I will stand with my fact based analytical response that it must be 700,200 times worse for men based on my sampling, and I didn't have to be some liberal whiney weeney spending 6 months to come up with that.

      Jesus, and they keep blaming conservatives, but this BS that is designed to create strife while trying to feign innocence flows ever hour of every day from liberals. You know what? It's working, strife has been down and conservatives either have liberals because we can see right through this BS, or because we know a large percentage of your are so stupid you actually believe this BS is real and that women somehow have it so much more awful than men.

      Any woman who is on Twitter has it a thousand times better in every respect than quote not on Twitter. Holy f, go see how women in third world countries are treated if you want to talk about how bad women have it. In virtually every first world country women have it way better. You see people tripping over themselves here to come and and a woman being assaulted or in distress while meet get hammered and other men then jump in to hammer the6n further.

      This sort of crapola is why conservatives really are starting to *really* hate liberals.

      Stop it.

    11. Re:What does problematic mean? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When an actor accepts a bad script and makes a bad movie that's a movie review.
      When an actress accepts a bad script and makes a bad movie, that's trolling.

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    12. Re: What does problematic mean? by astrofurter · · Score: 1, Troll

      They authors of this study are not "liberals". They hate liberty. Rather they are Corporate Progressives.

      This article appears to have several purposes:

      1) Divide the masses against themselves, making it easier for the corporate oligarchy to continue exploiting and oppressing the people.

      2) Another shibboleth for Corporate Progressive acolytes, deepening their religious devotion by forcing them to believe in obvious falsehoods.

      3) Pretext for increased censorship.

    13. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To create a headline.

    14. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't think they're going for character assassination, so much as "unhinged conspiracy"

    15. Re: What does problematic mean? by karlandtanya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Folks, this ain't science; if you measure it by that yardstick it will come up short.

      To answer your question, it's because the popular narrative is that women are victims, passive, and must be protected while not-women are villains, aggressive, and must be punished. Of course, repeatedly recognizing that your sample set ' 778 women politicians and journalists with an active, non-protected Twitter account, with fewer than 1 million followers' is flawed doesn't make it any less so. The sample isn't chosen to test a hypothesis; the goal here is to tell a story.

      Element AI has provided a sample of their work to Amnesty in exchange for some goodwill. Decorating their product in the style of a scientific study is similarly insincere.

      As an ad for Element AI it's valid: We can generate buzz for your issue.
      As a political statement from Amnesty International, it's also valid: We need more civil and more enforcable social norms in social media.

      As social science it's crap, but that's neither Element AI's or Amnesty Internal's job.

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    16. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One in five women are menstruating. Send tampons

    17. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A simple search turns up these:
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-27/research-claiming-women-are-half-of-online-abusers-flawed/7452568
      https://phys.org/news/2014-10-online-abuse-affects-men-women.html
      http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/

      There is a lot of misinformation from all sides.. Anything to reinforce their specific ideas or points..

      Try to keep an open mind and listen to both sides and maybe you learn something new from time to time.

    18. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's fair to say that, generally, there's less concern for males. Would you disagree with this assertion?

      Here's a link for you
      Males are more likely to be victims of crime, however the general message is that it's dangerous for a woman to be out at night.

    19. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...overall, men receive more online abuse."

      Perhaps that is because the proportion of men online is much greater than that of women?

      The exact terms of any study are extremely important, otherwise it is very easy to create false positives by interpreting data incorrectly.

    20. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately what's good for the gander isn't good for the goose.

      Gotta admire the geese for twisting the rules, however.

    21. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And none of your replies here contain any actual information. Just "I don't believe you" type of comments and trying to throw crap on anyone that has another view-point than you.

      If you want to be credible, then reply back with references to some type of study that disproves him/her or write a credible theory, backed with actual facts, that try to show what he/her said was incorrect.

      You don't seem to be any better than astrofurter comment above here, since you basically do the same.. "I don't like what you just wrote so i'm gonna do a character-assassination on you too".
       

    22. Re:What does problematic mean? by sfcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why limit research to one segment to create a self confirming headline?

      To answer your question: because you can't study everything at the same time without making assumptions you can't justify yet. This happens all the time in social sciences. Before you can safely lump things together you have to study them separately.

      I was going to mod you down for this but I will comment instead. This isn't science. If someone thinks it is, then they need to turn in their science card at the library. Anytime you setup an experiment, you have a control group. The amount of anything experienced by one group only has meaning when compared to the amount experienced by another group(s) which usually includes a control group. In this case, probably a group of men (or at least non-women). If it came out that the control group is attacked by someone on twitter every second what conclusion would you draw from those two data sets. If instead it was once every minute that a person in the control group was abused, would your conclusions be different? Add to that that possibly there is a gender imbalance in numbers of interactions per capita between the two groups and this one bit of research is meaningless. And it's stuff like this that causes "social scientists" to be considered junk science and for their entire field to be put into quotes by other scientists. Because an experiment without a control group isn't an experiment. Its somewhere between bad science and propaganda.

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    23. Re:What does problematic mean? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      because you can't study everything at the same time without making assumptions you can't justify yet. This happens all the time in social sciences. Before you can safely lump things together you have to study them separately.

      Sure. It makes sense that abuse towards women is different in nature than abuse towards men, and that abuse towards women of color is different still. And to understand the nature, the causes and effects on the victims, and the perpetrators, you would have to study them separately. But the summary at least has no issues mentioning women of color as a separate class, then lumping them in at the same time. But most importantly: if you run a clickbaity headline like "Women are abused on Twitter every 30 seconds", then at least provide a basis of comparison even if you "don't have the time or resources" to also do an in depth study of abuse of men online. Is 30/s a lot? Or is it average or even below average?

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    24. Re:What does problematic mean? by umghhh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder what is this social science, you talk about? I mean science is a way to find explanations for things based on facts and reason. According to wikipedia and my dictionary the word comes from Latin word meaning 'knowledge'. How does social science with significant 'social justice' element (i.e. bias) fit into this? If even particle physics does exclude people based on their (male) gender then social science cannot really be better.

      As for your claims of them social 'scientists' not having done full analysis just yet and hushing with their significant results. This is just plain wrong - in modern times a claim of females being oppressed has such political weight that no serious scientist should have claims based on partial data. Then there is this other thing: besides ex.boyfriends having the urge to call their former better parts names - how many of the bad words (assuming they are really bad and not something like: 'this was a mistake because...' or 'you looked better in another rock' etc) were written by females? This again causes serious problem in our culture sliding ever faster into matriarchat.

      Yet another thought I had - according to modern social science the gender thing is nothing more than a cultural construct. How does that work here - are these abused females sure about their identity and how many of the abusers can be culturally identified as males and females and how does that look like in a comparison between all combinations?

      Besides all this, I do not think we can have facts and reason based arguments about such subjects so I apologize and commit for searching of reeducation camp in the vicinity, being white old male etc.

    25. Re:What does problematic mean? by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are not studying everything at the same time. They study something very specific. They study "Abuse on twitter". This is not so different to "Xmas messages on twitter".

      So you first see how many messages are send. That you compare to the total amount send. This both in total and per individual. You will see that some get none and some get a lot.
      You can even analyze from how many people it is from. You will see some will send nothing and some will send a lot. Some will even send something to themselves.

      Once you have that information, you can look at different factors. e.g. country of where the message comes from and is send to. You can also loom at age, gender, activity in general per account and a lot more things.

      The focus could be a conclusion of a genral research. You should not START with a focus group, because that will skew the results.

      As you stated,the best social studies tend to take big trends and parse then into pieces. If you start with only women, you start with peices already.

      They should have gone with "Abuse on Twitter" instead they went with "Abuse on women that use twitter". This is just as horrible as looking for "Criminal behaviour among black males" or "Greed among the Jewish population" or "Patriachial behaviour among fat bold white males". Because you are clearly steering the investigation.

      And let us look a bit closer. From the website: "778 women politicians and journalists". So not only are these women, these are women in jobs that are in aprofession that will get controversial reactions, no matter what.

      e.g. if they have an opinions on e.g. birth control, no matter their side, somebody will be against their opinion. And that is what people will tweet. So that number of one every 30 seconds suddenly sounds very low. It is ONLY one every 30 second? That's it?

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    26. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the fact that abuse is much more often targeted at those on the left and much more often at black women.

      No, you don't get targeted because your views are on the left. You get targeted because you knowingly LIE, have it pointed out with facts, and then double down on your lies. As for black women being targeted lets see...
      Diamond and Silk
      Candice Owens
      Stacey Dash

      Oh, it appears you are correct. Only part you missed in black women who support Trump are the ones targeted... by the LEFT. Yep, once again you take a story about a real problem, and try and make it up as you are the victim, meanwhile ignoring how you support attacks on black women. So are you against these women because they are women or because they are black?

    27. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You could google for yourself you know. This one aims at celebrities, but there's others that show the same trend for the general public. https://demos.co.uk/press-release/demos-male-celebrities-receive-more-abuse-on-twitter-than-women-2/

      Also, fun fact, women abuse people on twitter at the same rate as men, https://qz.com/692902/on-twitter-a-study-says-half-of-all-sexist-abuse-comes-from-women/

      Those damn women hating women!

    28. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't say it, no. But by omitting the rate at which men receive abuse, it attempts to paint that women have it harder than men. If it pointed out that a man receives abuse once every 15 seconds (that would be the assumed rate as other studies that don't try to whip people in to a frenzy has shown that men get abuse at a rate of roughly double than women), then it doesn't seem like much of a story.

      When you omit pertinent facts, you are trying to weave a narritive that may in fact not be reflective of reality. This is often called lying by omission.

    29. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no concrete way of finding out who has things the worst in the world.

      The best we can do is judge by something like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and also observe the person's overall mental health.

      People with mental health concerns have it hard getting much of anything. It probably explains why Social Justice is such a good dampener on human progress, there isn't even any basic homeostasis (aka general health) as stated in Maslow's theory, only an encouragement to remain dependent on the group's judgment, like a permanent co-dependent parent-child relationship.

      I can't think of anybody growing past that stage in a Social Justice ideology and becoming truly independent. Pleasing the group is like trying to please a parent whose needs are constantly shifting and increasing, no consistency and no stability: the group will only do what benefits the group, and damn the individual/child who disobeys or makes some minor infraction on the rules, as they become nothing but a traitor. The "child" loses their support and is kicked out of their mental safe space, and sometimes their careers, unceremoniously (usually to social media's bloodsport-loving glee).

      Since "to err is human", the ideology doesn't even permit the fundamentals of human nature itself. It cannot persist unless given free reign in an authoritarian dictatorship, where we can pretend that 2+2=5 and no one dares tell the people in charge otherwise.

    30. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's dangerous for both men and women to be out at night. A criminal won't give a shit what gender or build you are because a whack over your head when you don't expect or register it, in the midst of night when you don't see shit, will fuck you up across all shapes and sizes.
      Now, that women tend to be more materialistic than men as these fine Feminists showcase in their apparent obsession over money more than any kind of justice, therefore resulting in them hauling more bullshit than men on themselves and making them a more lucrative target due to their materialistic tendencies, is another topic.

    31. Re:What does problematic mean? by roman_mir · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Men have the worst deal. Men don't want to go and die in wars. Most women with toddlers wanted those toddlers. I am sure if given a choice to go to war or to look after a toddler most men (most normal people) would choose the latter.

    32. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To answer your question: because you can't study everything at the same time without making assumptions you can't justify yet. This happens all the time in social sciences.

      Which probably goes a long way towards explaining their repeatability problem (not to mention the credibility problem social "sciences" have outside of their own field). No valid conclusions can be drawn from a study with no controls.

    33. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because its easier to make a sexist article than a good article.

    34. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Agenda.

    35. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully, that was a failed attempt at humor. If not, you need look at how you judge things.

    36. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've redefined words to mean something different from what the normal use is, so that I can say you're doing something horrible, even when you are not. Racist."

    37. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horse crap. The very elements they used to winnow down would make compartmentalization and therefore reporting on the other divisions trivial.

      There's no 'misunderstanding' going on. They chose which group to focus on, which is 'oddly' almost always women. This is the prime methodology behind intersectionality, divide to sow discord and conquer (prove women - or certain women - have it worse via lack of support for others).

      why people on the left of politics get so much more abuse

      You prove my point by stating your belief and opinion as if it were fact.

    38. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, if the /. summay is right and they only looked at politicians and journalists, whose very jobs can bring about very high emotional reactions from people, then using women in other fields, or just randomly selected and NOT in journalism or politics, would have been a control.
      Instead, that was ignored. If you were to use males only in politics, the abuse and harassment shown would also be artificially inflated over real world statics for all men due to the arena they work in.

    39. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without any baseline, comparison or control group the premise for this study is flawed by bias, thus the so called researchers only hurt their own cause by bigotry and wasting efforts on their junk science.

      A real study in this that could show actual results would be interesting. Such results could even surprise the researchers, meaning they'd need to be open minded and objective.

      IOW, bah!

    40. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh what?? Your reply is an attempt at character assassination. What the person wrote is a breakdown of his analyzes of the article, and there is a point what houghi wrote, but have not verified his claims either.. If i would be posting a reply claiming that the person was incorrect i would make sure i had some actual counter-arguments.

      The study that was made had some big flaws in it that should be taken into consideration when reading the article, but nowadays people seems to always just agree with anything that fits their viewpoint.

      You should really go and actually listen to what your opponents actually say and look into what their facts are.. Second would be to do the same with people that has the same view of the world as you and actually try to find facts that backs your viewpoint, and always check the root-source of the information and how they came to the conclusion.

    41. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many men are abused or sent problematic tweets on twitter.

      When was the last time you saw a man being sent abusive tweets based on his gender?
      The worst I've seen was along the lines of "You wouldn't understand because you are a man."

      What about the non-gender based abuse then you may ask.
      Well, turns out women get those too. The gender based abuse is just icing on the cake.

    42. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BECAUSE MEN DO NOT MATTER.

    43. Re:What does problematic mean? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh, I didn't realize that caring for a toddler was such a hardship that comparing it to running the risk of being killed or permanently maimed was a valid comparison. Are you a troll or just an asshole?

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    44. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut off all support for discriminatory biases!

    45. Re:What does problematic mean? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean a group of people with a specific characteristic are subject to attack based that same characteristic? Shocking! It is all just grievance studies, in this case, they have extrapolated high profile people to the whole of twitter to come up with a fake statistic. This is called sample selection bias.

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    46. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have, at face value, two groups: men and women.
      I'm sure the researchers came to the obvious conclusion when they first examined this data that all of the abuse was coming from men
      If there were abuse reports from men it would probably be assumed that the abuse would also be from men.
      I'm sure the research here only looked at male on female abuse and not male on male abuse because that is two different things (and don't pretend it isn't).

    47. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. You are using ad hominem. You have adding no new information while attacking the messenger. Sort of like how I am about to but I am more honest about it and given your posting history there is truth to It: you are a fucking idiot, stfu, get off the internet, you are killing children and kittens with your stupidity.

    48. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotal bullshit. Who cares what you or some other individual has personally witnessed in comparison to a bulk study which used AI? Why not block chain, too, btw?

      Anyway, you are as dumb and/or biased as the authors of the scam faux study which provides insufficient details, no controls, cherry picked twitter targets who are begging for attention and is not in any way science.

      You are an idiot. Not even a useful idiot.

    49. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Problematic" is retard speak for "waah - I don't like it."

    50. Re:What does problematic mean? by William+Baric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm French. I had to do a mandatory military service. The minimum was 10 months, but in my case, I did two years. The regular "pay" for a conscript was 531F a month (about $80 per month). This was given to conscripts so they could buy hygiene products (soap, toilet paper, razors, etc.), since those were not supplied by the army. Of course, only men were required to do a military service. Women could choose to do it if they wanted to, but they were not required to do anything. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. In all Western societies, men have it a lot worse than women.

    51. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many men are abused or sent problematic tweets on twitter.

      Why limit research to one segment to create a self confirming headline?

      The only comparison to men being made is in the minds of insecure Slashdot readers with a victim complex. It is literally not anywhere else.

    52. Re:What does problematic mean? by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      is that even true though? ESPECIALLY on social media. Now if the topic were "men receive more abuse in online video games". Yes I'd fully expect men to be the majority, and trash talk goes out nonstop. Facebook and twitter? I'd be very shocked if men had a strong numbers advantage there, I'd expect it to be pretty close on a "has an account" rate, and I'd really expect women to have a fairly strong majority in "post count" etc...

    53. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. Whenever someone talks about a fear of flying, inevitably someone chimes in saying that the probability of a crash is very low, and you are much more likely to get into a car accident. In other words, they are telling the person to not focus on the event itself but on the likelihood of it happening.

      But here we have the reverse. Someone is using the probability of two events happening in order to rate their badness, and others are chiming in to say "no no no you should only look at the outcome".

      Do I agree with Pseudonym? No, I do not. But I can still recognize what they were trying to say.

    54. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > because you can't study everything at the same time

      is that supposed to be a real answer?
      woes me. I'm just going to gas light a topic with premeditated subject selection.
      instant clicks by armies of female victims. always female victims.
      today's society is awesome. race to be the victim, the biggest victim.
      and you defending "studies" that jump on this band wagon is no better.

      and if you're a woman, cry me a river honey.
      and if you're a dude, you cuck.
      and if you're something else, i don't even.

    55. Re:What does problematic mean? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Whatever? People see. a homeless man and his dog begging for a food on a corner in pouring, freezing rain.

      What is their response?

      "Poor dog."

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    56. Re: What does problematic mean? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good point. Men are called "fags" all the time on the Webnets.

      Boom! You win the debate! (seriously)

      I've been called names like that, encouraged to kill myself, and other forms of "abuse". Yet I just read those posts without a thought, until you brought that up.

      And while I try not to act like that - with occasional slips - I don't think a thing of it.

      So the question is Why? Why is something that means almost nothing to me and most other males, an unforgivable assault upon women?

      It certainly isn't that women cannot be cruel. I've seen women go after other women and attempt to destroy them without any regret.

      The idea that all spaces must be made safe for those who can brook no adversity or disagreement isn't going to work.

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    57. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the comment... I can only assume you are responding to the wrong one....

    58. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "problematic" because every second spent on Twitter is a second these women aren't in the kitchen!

    59. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can start whining about "teh menz" when men become a subjugated class that has been treated as property all throughout history like women were (and in many ways, still are).

    60. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This lacks so much context to the point of being utterly meaningless.

      How many female users are on Twitter that they are deriving this data from? How many tweets are there per minute to women, so at least a mean could be determined? What is the abuse to user ratio? How is this distributed. Having the mean and median and the standard deviation could provide some data, although that is way too little data still. Also the same data is needed for men to give this context.

      Robotweets would have to be removed and how were retweets dealt with? Also, what qualifies as abuse is quite objective, so I would have to see their criteria. For example, hey btch, looking good! Is very different from, you are such a btch.

      I suspect that the abuse, as defined by them, is probably clustered around, not women in general, but key women celebrities, women in government, etc. There may be other clusters. That is why the median, mean and standard deviation are needed and a further breakdown into subgroups.

      Men make x dollars per minute! Sort of meaningless too. Among how many men? What is the median and mean, at the very least? Most of the money is probably clustered within a small percentage, probably in some polynomial-looking graph. Same thing here. Too little data for this to have meaning.

    61. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because women are children who can't defend themselves with words

    62. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously spoken by someone that has clearly never raised a toddler before.

    63. Re: What does problematic mean? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Well that's pretty much the definition of ad homenim. You don't like what the authors are saying so you'd going for a character assassination instead.

      When feminists run to the UN to complain that "it's the everyday-to-day run of the mill tweets" that are harassment, then the parent poster has easily proven their point that these people are progressive shills aiming for more censorship. You know, the same censorship that's been pushed heavily by the left for the last decade. To the point that they now claim that "disagreement is harassment." The authors are shit, just like the assholes who parrot the "1:4 women are homeless" or "11% of workplace deaths are female" or "1:3 women will be sexually assaulted" "7% of suicides are female" garbage, propaganda and bullshit. Then demand, that governments come up with programs(or throw money at these things) to specifically target these groups when men are lined up out the door, around the block and into the next couple of streets waiting for help.

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    64. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can predict it won't take long before AI outsmarts us given how stupid we're becoming over time.

      This research is fundamentally flawed as it doesn't take into account prominence of the subjects and it doesn't control for a competing male group of equivalent prominence. This renders the premise of the headline utterly meaningless, since it's very possible that individual people get abuse on Twitter every 15-20 seconds in general but the research did not investigate this.

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    65. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a weird olympics.

      Giving birth is permanently damaging to the mother and does risk being killed...comparing the odds of a man going to war and then getting killed, if it's a modern war and the man is american, and the woman is also american with modern medicine...it's actually surprisingly close.

      Men and women both have to look after toddlers at some point. Women disproportionately do more today as a whole but it's far from unheard of for men to do as much or more. So maybe not quite a wash but not really a great comparison.

      I would like to know baselines and not just raw numbers for women. I suspect that women do have it worse than men on twitter, but absolute numbers of women abused neither confirm nor deny this hypothesis. They did get that a bit for black vs. white women, which may have been the real point of the study.

    66. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The control group was "all women". The experiment was variance between races.

      This was science. It just wasn't investigating what *you* wanted to investigate, whether women were targeted more than men. It investigated whether black women were more targeted than white women (etc.). And found an answer of "yes", to a fairly large degree.

    67. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When was the last time you saw a man being sent abusive tweets based on his gender?"

      Literally fucking constantly. I would even venture that "the majority of tweets" from feminists on Twitter are intended to denigrate, insult, scapegoat and dehumanize men.

      The only reason you don't see this is because it has become so normalized and accepted. There are thousands of tweets per day, many from prominent women, that are blatantly sexist and often violent. "The Day of Castration is coming, men." is a common theme.

      Imagine if men regularly talked about the coming day when we get to mutilate and sterilize all women because of the transgressions of a few?

    68. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, what a intellectually dishinest faggot.

    69. Re: What does problematic mean? by houghi · · Score: 1

      With research there are no sides. Just look at flat eartheers, just because they claim to have a side does not mean their opinion is as valuable as tjose who know.

      The data that was given was notresearch. It is an opinion. So screw them.

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    70. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obviously spoken by someone who has never gone to war.

    71. Re:What does problematic mean? by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a veteran and 7 year single dad, I'll answer for you. Taking care of a toddler is cake compared to war. Got it?

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    72. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and why is that wrong, its not the dog's fault its owner is a dead beat?

    73. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know women. I've met them in real life, even.

      If you've ever actually lived with a woman, you'd know that disagreement actually is harassment. Almost any man who has been married for more than 10 years will have learned that lesson.

    74. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what doesn't make sense...... the notion of gender and race on Twitter. It is a text-only service. You don't have to specify race or gender. In fact, you kinda have to look for it if you don't already know.

    75. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am a card-carrying scientist and I call bullshit on this.

      Gathering statistics ('a study', as it is called in the TFS), is not bad science of propaganda, it is gathering statistics. Comparing it with other groups (the 'control group') is interesting but not necessary for the numbers to be relevant.

      If a study shows that 20% of drivers have fallen asleep while driving at least once in the last year [1], that is interesting information, even if we don't compare it with any 'control group'. What would that that control group be anyway in this case?.

      Of course if you want to explain or influence such statistics ('do an experiment' as you call it) a control group may be useful or even indispensable, but that different from what is going on here.

      [1] The number is purely for illustration, and is not real statistic.

    76. Re: What does problematic mean? by monsieurlepeanut · · Score: 1

      I agree with all of this and it is all well reasoned. But, after naming the relevant fields of advertising, politics, and social science, how about mentioning that of journalism. "Fast Company" published this article which reviews the Amnesty International statement and correctly places it in the context of technological developments in the areas of artificial intelligence and social media. But what if they added a simple disclaimer at the end to the effect that this article makes no defensible claims in the realm of social science, so as to avoid confusion? Now that would be responsible journalism, don't you think?

    77. Re:What does problematic mean? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      "So expect a lot of research looking at various target groups: men vs. women, straight vs. gay "

      I don't. As soon as a study starts showing "no specific bias" or "the group gets more abuse" the research is defunded, mothballed or otherwise buried. In current social sciences the only way to get published is to start with an alarmist hypothesis (misogyny, racism etc) and then trim the sample group until the data fits the hypothesis. In this case the entire male portion of the data was cut off to keep the study publishable.

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    78. Re: What does problematic mean? by ewibble · · Score: 2
      Also the words "shocking statistic" why is it shocking that a woman gets abused on facebook or twitter every 30 seconds? Half the worlds population of 7.7 billion people are online. At that rate the average person commits an insult once every 122 years. Yes that is shockingly low, but I don't think that is what they meant.

      The maths:

      p/r = 1/30 where p is the population online, r seconds per insult per person

      30 * p = r

      Also from (https://www.worldhunger.org/world-hunger-and-poverty-facts-and-statistics/) 3.1 million children die from hunger annually, that is 1 every 10 seconds, although you also need to take into account population, somebody actually died not had an insult directed at them online which they may or may not have read.

      So a not so bad thing happens, not so often is now "shocking".

    79. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh... you're still missing the point--again, what you're asking them to do is not their job.
      They're no more journalists than they are scientists; they're political activists and businesspersons.

    80. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AmiMojo is an absolute crazy. I really would like to know if it is pathological lying or if he consciously spins complete tales. Either way, I am glad other people have the energy to refute his nonsense. Anyhow, expect the sock puppets to come out too.

    81. Re: What does problematic mean? by Johny+Drama · · Score: 1

      and 3 out of 4 are men.

    82. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raising children? Raising children never changes.

    83. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/war-never-changes

    84. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pew Research Center has done plenty of research about online harassment and their statistics state that MEN are harassed far more often than women are, online but that women *consider harassment a problem* at a far higher rate than men.

      Nobody gives a shit if your precious feelings feel more hurt than someone else. This is just another case of "women have it worse". Like when people make a huge deal about how terrible it is that 25% of homeless population are female (which of course means 75% are men -- but that's not the tragedy... the tragedy is the women).

      Same with mental health.

      Suicide.

      Medical care.

      Etc, etc.

    85. Re: What does problematic mean? by scrout · · Score: 0

      This. Women in the workplace must all think us guys all chum around together, plot to derail females careers, all like to work with each other, all get along with the boss swimmingly, never stab anyone in the fucking back, never call shit on crap work from the other guys, are never criticized, never emotional, always get the raise whether we deserve it or not. It just like a fucking vacation ever day at work. Right guys? And now if we ask you out, we're fucking sexual predators. The proverbial nest has pretty much been shit in, good luck with that moving forward.

    86. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's interesting and I call bullshit. I've raised 2 kids and suffer no PTSD, still have all my limbs, and have suffered no other form of permanent physical injury from the trial.

      If I had to guess (trying not to assume, here), I'd guess you were a veteran that never faced combat or IED. In that case, I'd be more likely to agree.

    87. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If a study shows that 20% of drivers have fallen asleep while driving at least once in the last year [1], that is interesting information, even if we don't compare it with any 'control group'. What would that that control group be anyway in this case?.

      If you'd qualified drivers as, for example, "11% of drivers with a speeding conviction fell asleep" it would make sense to contrast that with the general population or the set inverse, since it would be interesting to know if 20% of drivers without a speeding conviction fell asleep.

      The same applies here.

    88. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say it's high time we started talking like that. Fuck them.

    89. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello mangina.

    90. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea that all spaces must be made safe for those who can brook no adversity or disagreement isn't going to work.

      But that's irrelevant to the people who believe that it will.

    91. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Celebrities aren't people though, they're toys.

    92. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The abuse Trump alone gets would knock the scales right off the table.

    93. Re:What does problematic mean? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      In the US feminists sued the government to force them to conscript women too. Unfortunately they lost. I suggest seeing if whatever French feminist orgs exist would be interested if they ever try to bring it back for French men only.

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    94. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I went into a jail for the worst offenders to do a survey and I found the following things.

      1: 100% of all blacks are criminals
      2: 100% of all criminals are men

      Ergo; 100% of black men in the US are felons and cannot own guns or vote.

      This is why statistics is not a valid branch of study when the sample is less than 20% of the entire relevant population

    95. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      b-b-b-b-but-but-but w-w-w-w-women at-t-t-t-tempt it m-m-m-m-m-more ... T.T #triggerwarning

    96. Re: What does problematic mean? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This. Women in the workplace must all think us guys all chum around together, plot to derail females careers, all like to work with each other, all get along with the boss swimmingly, never stab anyone in the fucking back, never call shit on crap work from the other guys, are never criticized, never emotional, always get the raise whether we deserve it or not. It just like a fucking vacation ever day at work. Right guys? And now if we ask you out, we're fucking sexual predators. The proverbial nest has pretty much been shit in, good luck with that moving forward.

      Asking a woman out today in person is a version of Russian roulette. That's why dating sites like Tinder exist, So that the woman in her quest for complete control, can pick and choose who is worthy of her attention, and the male has some distance.

      Fear not, becasue Tindr has the douchebag initiative, so that women can shame anyone. You not only don't get a date, they don't have to merely swipe left, but they can abuse you if you aren't worthy.

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    97. Re: What does problematic mean? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The idea that all spaces must be made safe for those who can brook no adversity or disagreement isn't going to work.

      But that's irrelevant to the people who believe that it will.

      It should be, because they will fail.

      People who are permanently offended eventually have to be ignored. Because they will always find something to be offended about. Tyranny of the weakest means that if the state doesn't collapse on it's own, outside others who aren't racing to the bottom will just take over.

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    98. Re:What does problematic mean? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      As I pointed out, you have to weigh it by the number who go to war. This is one of those rare situations where the experience of those who never went to war and those who never had children is relevant.

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    99. Re:What does problematic mean? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      It was a "ha ha only serious" moment. But it's undeniably true that in countries where Twitter is big, a very small proportion of men go to war these days.

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    100. Re:What does problematic mean? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, I was not trying to make a serious point. But that is precisely the point I was trying to make, yes.

      For most men in most countries where Twitter is big, war is a rare experience, and even compulsory military service is rare for any country which isn't at risk of invasion.

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    101. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 vs 5. Might want to go get some Russian bots to up your score.

    102. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sex is not a characteristic high on the chart of things that warrant criticism. I'm going to guess that those who describe criticism as abuse simply have not been exposed to critical thinking in school. That's a shame really. I'm going to guess that it's mostly those from social sciences and other areas which are not math heavy.

    103. Re: What does problematic mean? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      You know why your question is rhetorical? Beause it's the only sane choice between blood boiling and rhetorical.

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    104. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares, only women and children matter. Men are worthless cretins that should be chained and gagged.

      FTFY.

      Why bother coming up with an excuse when TFA is clearly meant as a rallying call for the SJWs?

      A cry to #DoSomething made by the whiny idiots behind #metoo

    105. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the question is Why? Why is something that means almost nothing to me and most other males, an unforgivable assault upon women?

      Societal expectations. Women are protected and men are sacrificed for society. Men are treated badly and told its their own fault. Women behave badly and are told its someone else's fault. Among many differences.

      Essentially every time a news article like this comes out and people act on it to protect women, those very women in our society are treated as being less and less effective at managing their own lives.

      The whole social justice process is self defeating. Safe spaces brings back segregation. Protecting women makes them weaker and less able.

    106. Re:What does problematic mean? by chiefcrash · · Score: 2

      This wasn't exactly simply "gathering statistics", was it?

      After all, didn't they make comparisons based off the ethnic group of the women?

      Didn't they also compare what effect (if any) political affiliation and profession had on the data in the "statistics gathering"?

      the "study" includes a conclusion and a call to action. Is that part of simple statistics gathering as well?

      Also, you can certainly create propaganda through nothing more than selective statistics gathering. Allow me to share with you some troubling statistics regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide...

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    107. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds

      I bet she's a real bitch and deserves it. Who is she? I want to pile on and make it every 20 seconds!

    108. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here you go:

      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6zkhcy

      That's from 20 years ago. It's even worse today.

    109. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang it! Wrong link.
      The video advanced before I could copy the URL...

      Here you go, take 2:

      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24cig7

    110. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never read such a load of horseshit in my life.

    111. Re:What does problematic mean? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Even merely training for military service is dangerous and can get you killed or maimed. It's NOTHING like caring for a toddler.

      Many of us have actually done both.

      Some things are just stupid and indefensible.

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    112. Re: What does problematic mean? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So the question is Why? Why is something that means almost nothing to me and most other males, an unforgivable assault upon women?

      Societal expectations. Women are protected and men are sacrificed for society. Men are treated badly and told its their own fault. Women behave badly and are told its someone else's fault. Among many differences.

      Essentially every time a news article like this comes out and people act on it to protect women, those very women in our society are treated as being less and less effective at managing their own lives.

      The whole social justice process is self defeating. Safe spaces brings back segregation. Protecting women makes them weaker and less able.

      Yes. The strange thing is that this promotion of women who must be protected and who are so delicate that asking them out can damage them emotionally, simply is not liberation, but the exact opposite, It is telling women that they are too weak to cope with life and that they definitely cannot cope with men. So since the woman is too weak - society must protect them. Victorian women would think that today's women are wimps that cannot handle life.

      I've married to a woman who has had a very successful career, one who knows how to take care of herself. No one's fool. She would normally be considered a feminist. The problem is - she actually likes men. My thoughts on modern women's willful return to a state of weakness come from her. She thinks that modern feminists are an embarassment to all women. Screaming and yelling does not equate strength.

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    113. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pew Research did a study a few years ago that found the opposite, that men get more abusive comments, with Piers Morgan the most abused celebrity in their set. Just women received more sexual comments, so that was the conclusion used to maintain the women-are victims angle in the coverage.

      Even if true though, the default assumption too is that it's men abusing women... but calling each other sluts and bitches, holding years long grudges, and using social warfare for humiliation, those are standard Mean Girl tactics.

      I wonder how long until the penny finally drops that social media is most popular with women, for a reason.

    114. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean looking only at the outcome? A mother gets her leave and spends her time in a comfortable safe home watching TV and leading a retarded life with all kinds of food and comfort at her beck and call while in pajamas; while soldiers live off shitty rations in a godforsaken piece of shit land wearing uncomfortable dogshit uniforms hoping some bullet or bomb doesn't strike them every minute of their shift while looking at their friends die and living with the agony while also getting shat at by random people for only existing. But yeah sure, it's only about outcome in your dumbshit brain which couldn't even muster 2 brain cells to compare the lifestyles.

    115. Re: What does problematic mean? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1
      Actually

      People: 7.7 bn
      Women (half): 3.850 bn
      Women online (half): 1.925 bn
      One woman abused every 30 seconds: one particular woman is to be abused, on average, every 30 x 1.925 bn seconds
      Or every 1830 years.

      That's not so bad, after all.

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    116. Re: What does problematic mean? by Penmanpro · · Score: 1
    117. Re: What does problematic mean? by Penmanpro · · Score: 1

      https://www.theguardian.com/me... higher-proportion-of-men-than-women-report-online-abuse-in-survey

    118. Re: What does problematic mean? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      https://www.theguardian.com/me... higher-proportion-of-men-than-women-report-online-abuse-in-survey

      This isn't terribly surprising. And it will be quite difficult to turn the online experience into one that caters to the most sensitive. In general, men just let it go, yet apparently it damages women terribly.

      I don't buy Georgie Harman's ideat that it damages men as well, but that men don't seek treatment. Sorry, other than a direct threat of violence, the insults and abuse are just background noise.

      What is more, the attempts on some sites to reign this "bad behavior" in are inconsistent, leading to draconian suppression in some cases, but not others. I haven't seen enough to figure a trend yet. I do know some posts I've commented on have been deleted after a male disagreed with a female. You start out trying to avoid abuse, and you end up squelching civil discourse.

      And then there is tumblr. This one is pretty funny, as Tumblr's "porn detection algorithms" flag some pretty innocuous things as pornography https://arstechnica.com/gaming...

      Some of the more amusing things that Tumblr is protecting the sensitive from are some cute little candles a woman knitted. Some dinosaur drawings, two fully clothed males with their arms around each other. Spiderman's head, Alex Ovechkin taking a nap with the Stanley cup, a dog sitting in a shopping cart. Not in the article, but another case was a guy who collected gemstones and posted beautiful pictures online. Yup - Tumblr reported it as porn. The unfortunate irony is that Tumblr was a source of imagery for the LGBT community as well as women, who might feel a little awkward going to places like Pornhub or porn.com. They re pissing off the more sensitive among us.

      And I don't have the hard data, but I suspect that the heavy hand of suppression is weighted toward keeping the men in line. Not certain about that, but a number of the things I've found suppressed were right after a male disagreed with a woman's post. None were abusive or profane, just simple disagreement.

      So back to the abuse - how do we eliminate abuse when some people consider not agreeing with them as abuse? I've seen people do exactly that over the years. And the Jessica Price twitter assault on a guy who had a respectful criticism shows it continues.

      The only way to avoid going down that perpetually offended rabbit hole is to ignore their demands.

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    119. Re:What does problematic mean? by hey! · · Score: 1

      You aren't supposed to use mod points for disagreement. You're supposed to use comments for disagreement, as you just did.

      As for your comment, while controlled double blind experiments are the gold standard for evidence for experimental science, in many kinds of even natural sciences it does not apply (e.g. geophysics or astronomy). Not every scientific paper describes an experiment.

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    120. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you see they don't count. Men are all worthless misogynists, didn't you get the memo? All women are perfect angels and can do no wrong, and must never be criticized in the slightest.

      Of course it's all bullshit. Anyone, male or female, if they are honest, knows this. But the powers that be feel it's beneficial to THEM to perpetuate a false "battle of the sexes" and continue to demonise everything masculine.

      Never mind that 9 out of 10 workplace deaths are men; never mind that 75% of all homeless are men; never mind that by the same criteria used to generate the "shocking" statistic that "1/2 of all women are victims of violence at some point in their lives", that 2/3rds of men are also victims of violence. Never mind that the majority of child abuse (when all forms thereof are considered) is actually committed by women. Never mind that it is men at a ratio of well over 90% that are sent to die in wars. Never mind that the Australian Federal Government's "Workplace Gender Equality Agency" is staffed by a 90% female staff (Source: https://i.imgur.com/7TwJmGV.jpg). Never mind that men are always discriminated against in divorce and custody proceedings.

      No, disregard anything that doesn't push the approved narrative, or that might look at the underlying causes of our societal problems that affect both men and women, regardless of whether it disproportionally affects one or the other more.

      Oh, and don't even question the official narrative. Remember, you must "listen and believe". Evidence is only asked for by evil misogynists, because the whole of STEM and the very idea of any such thing as "empirical evidence" is an evil construct of the racist, misogynist patriarchy.

      And whatever you do, never talk to an intelligent woman that genuinely appreciates the men in her life. You might end up finding out that there are women out there that are as thoroughly disgusted by this disingenuous rubbish as most men are.

    121. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not every woman is like that kind of man and in the current balance of power, my mom only talked about her experience working at an office decades after a ex-colleague died, That explained her odd mood sometimes; She was not sad at his death and I wanted to punch that asshole in the coffin.

    122. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, is that being true that harassment is a unisex pass time, women are easier to be affected, I was harassed at some point and at the end I kicked some asshole's head, but other people just can't handle that like some close relative.

      Society is built around the strong man and the weak-passive woman... And yet, why can't some people keep those harassment urge things just to themselves? why to force others to be the end of their assholery?

  3. Well Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    But most of those were for Hillary. And she deserves every one.

  4. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No comparison for the same happening to male politicians?

    1. Re:Hmm by Tailhook · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      First question I had was "is that a lot?" Because abusing and demeaning people regardless of creed or genetics when they fail to precisely align with Valley Values group think is pretty much the whole reason for Twitter's existence at this point.

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    2. Re:Hmm by quenda · · Score: 2

      No, the whole story is an obvious troll. Let's just move on.

    3. Re: Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, women on the internet are mostly dudes.

  5. Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for Men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without a meaningful baseline to compare against, what does the stat mean? (from what I've read, they didn't bother measuring the abuse frequency against male tweeters - sort of the same as when it's mentioned the appalling statistic that 10,000 women committed suicide in 2016 whilst deliberately neglecting to mention that 35,000 men committed suicide the same year)

  6. Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not a peep about how many abusive tweets were sent to men, using the same criteria.

    Why would that be, exactly? Is it because women are the weaker sex, and hence need to be protected from this sort of thing, whereas men are stronger and hence don't need such protection?

    Or is it that nobody gives a shit about men, whether they are stronger or not?

    Or maybe men get WAY MORE abuse on twitter, but pointing that out won't substantiate the desired narrative?

    1. Re:Men? by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      I don't want to ruin the drama, but what if both sexes got off Twitter?

    2. Re: Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arenâ(TM)t there like 12 sexes?

    3. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "all of the above"?

    4. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ways in which women are "weaker" don't make them more vulnerable to people saying mean things over the internet.

    5. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MGTOW!!!!!

    6. Re: Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arenâ(TM)t there like 12 sexes?

      No, there arenâ(TM)t.

    7. Re:Men? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The report also lacks information on the identity of the poster or whether it was posted in jest (i.e. using normally derogative terms to jokingly describe themselves or their friends, like how some rap songs use the N-word).

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    8. Re: Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are 2 sexes, but a seemingly unlimited number of so called genders.

    9. Re: Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking gender, but I haven't kept up with the latest development, I might be outdated here.

      Then again, if all men and women leave twitter and we leave it only for "other"/"diverse" genders (and bots) I am not sure there will be any less drama...

    10. Re: Men? by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of duels over honor?

    11. Re: Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people with genetic defects such as Klinefelter Syndrome like to believe they're some sort of "rare gender" when really they're just deformed at birth. Snowflakes gonna flake.

    12. Re:Men? by sfcat · · Score: 1

      Why would that be, exactly?

      Because the study is about women. Look, if you write a book about how to improve aircraft safety, no-one is going to attack you for not addressing automotive safety as well. You are not part of some giant airline conspiracy to make cars more dangerous by denying them research, you are just studying something else today.

      Ah, a bad car analogy. /. never disappoints for those. This is more like announcing you are studying aircraft safety but only studying when the wings failed but ignoring the crashes where other parts of the aircraft failed. And any scientist worth their salt would know to have a control group.

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    13. Re:Men? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      What would the control group be in this case? Non-twitter users? I can tell you now they get 0 abusive tweets.

      It certainly couldn't be men used as the control group, because the study is not about abuse by gender so that makes no sense. The study is not making any claims that would be validated by using a control group of male subjects.

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    14. Re:Men? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      then there would still be an infinite numbered of sexes on twitter

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    15. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fuck do you even think before you type?

    16. Re:Men? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Wow. Horrible, circular logic. The study was only about women because the study was only about women.

      No, the study was about bad tweets and they focused on those directed at women, culling those directed at men. Both men and women are people and both sets tweet. But intersectionality dictates you only focus on the group you wish to promote/protect/whatever and ignore the rest because it will reduce the impact of your conclusions. This is a conscious decision.

    17. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey remember when women 'just want to be included' in what they viewed as men's environments?

      That they 'didnt want to change things or take away from men'

      Yeah seems like getting equal treatment wasn't all they thought it would be. Yet they refuse to believe men ate treated so poorly that they actually think they're getting abused.

    18. Re:Men? by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      It certainly couldn't be men used as the control group, because the study is not about abuse by gender so that makes no sense.

      Emphasis mine. It seems, however, the linked article directly disagrees with you:

      a joint effort by human rights researchers, technical experts and thousands of online volunteers to build the world’s largest crowd-sourced dataset of online abuse against women

      The study is exclusively about abuse towards a gender.

      The study is not making any claims that would be validated by using a control group of male subjects.

      True, which was exactly why men were excluded by conscious decision. You're dancing around the fact that it provides claims in a partial vacuum by selection bias (small group and hand picked as pols/journalists) and no base to compare against (other than a women's skin tone competition, ie: intersectionality).

    19. Re:Men? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      So your argument is that it's a conspiracy... With what goal exactly?

      This "you only care about X and must therefore hate Y" is wrong on both counts.

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    20. Re:Men? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that question was "Are women getting a lot of abuse on Twitter", rather than "Do women get more abuse than men". I can perfectly understand AmiMojo being somewhat confused as to why you insist there is any useful information that could be gained by also measuring the amount of abuse men get when trying to answer the question.

      It's not about gender in the sense that the question isn't about gender as a metric (you're not plotting a graph here with gender as an axis.)

      You can, as a separate thing, also ask "Are women getting more abuse than men?", but that's a different question, just as "Are women getting more abuse on Twitter than Faceplace?" would be an interesting question, but an entirely different one. My guess is the only reason Slashdot is up in arms about it not asking "vs men" rather than "vs Mybook+" is because people here are less interested in tech than they are in being suspicious of anything that might be squinted at and seen as possibly slightly related to social justice.

      And that's depressing. RIP Slashdot, news for nerds.

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    21. Re:Men? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It was also about Twitter because it was only about Twitter. At some point you have to define the bounds of a study. Is a study bad because it's not asking a question you want answered?

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    22. Re:Men? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      This "you only care about X and must therefore hate Y" is wrong on both counts.

      So why is that a primary focus of intersectional feminism? You can try and weasel out of it with whatever bullshit you want, but when you can pull up a leftwing or progressive publication, or a lecture, or syllabus out of a university and it promotes that exact agenda. It's not a conspiracy, not anymore then it was of "political lesbianism" in the 1970's and feminists attacking straight women who wouldn't fall in line.

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    23. Re:Men? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So why is that a primary focus of intersectional feminism?

      Because you don't know what intersectional feminism is. In fact it's literally the opposite of what you seem to think it is.

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    24. Re: Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of duels over honor?

      Women don't have honor, or even a concept of what it means.

    25. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But what quantifies as a lot if you have no other baseline or group to compare it to?

    26. Re:Men? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why would that be, exactly? Is it because women are the weaker sex, and hence need to be protected from this sort of thing, whereas men are stronger and hence don't need such protection?

      Because the study was about the variance in women and in a study about women studying men serves no purpose.

    27. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think both sexes should get off

    28. Re:Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study was specifically about gender. are you fucking drunk?? Did you even read the headline? Holy fuck you're dense.

  7. Poor babies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some meany hurt their feelings!

  8. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by microbox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Typical "intersectional" reporting. What is the base rate of abuse? Always be suspicious of people who quote absolute statistics. If you look at the research on this, you find that men are abused more than women, and that when a woman receives abuse, it is more likely to be from another woman. But the facts don't suit the narrative of the poor innocent woman being persecuted by the evil mens. PATHETIC.

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    1. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Shaitan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What are they even defining as abuse?

    2. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by taustin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Any post made to a woman that we don't like, or that conflicts with our political agenda."

      Duh.

    3. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2, Funny

      It doesn't matter. It's never ok to be offensive or insensitive to a woman, online or offline, no matter what you think about them personally or about their politics.

      Except for that one fat slut, Stephanie.

    4. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got it. You will consider abuse to be a problem only if it meets your criteria of being a problem. For example, abuse from another woman somehow does not count as being abuse, on your terms. An alternative would be to consider as abuse anything that was abusive, irrespective of source.

      If you read the research, they found that abuse was a problem. It needs to be fixed.

      What have you got against fixing an abuse problem? Of any size or type?

    5. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the statistics are about global warming of course...in that case we should cast cynicism to the wind when it fits our beliefs.

    6. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to be fixed? Are you going to just eliminate people who post abusive tweets? Because being "abusive" in this fashion has been a human trait since communication was invented.

    7. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      An extrapolation is definitely not a statistic.

      You might want to figure out what is going on before you decide on a pattern of aggressive verbal complaint.

    8. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm right wing and most of my comments are censored. Yours got upvoted though. And yes, for all intensive purposes right wing = what is true. Left wing = whatever offends the least number of people

    9. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at the research on this, you find that men are abused more than women, and that when a woman receives abuse, it is more likely to be from another woman.

      Do you have any research on supporting your statement or does that not suit your narrative?

    10. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @h33t l4x0r

      Ah, the humor

      Priceless. Had a good laugh. Thank you

    11. Re: Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, Terry Austin, long-standing internet troll and general bully still doesn't want to admit to being an abusive twit but attempts to claim martyrdom by claiming unfair persecution.

      You've been rolling in that bullshit since the 1980s. The odor is still dreadful.

      Believe it or not, the problem is you.

    12. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by houghi · · Score: 1

      They gave an example. "What a dumb bitch." is abuse. Should have gone for "Stupid cunt." and explain that it is the Australian meaning, where it is gender neutral.

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    13. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      What are they even defining as abuse?

      The most important question of all. The answer is... zeroes and ones.

    14. Re: Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by taustin · · Score: 1

      I'd be far more impressed if you weren't a craven coward, afraid to put your name to your insults. But you are, so who cares? Loser. Go ask Mummy for a cookie and some milk, it's bedtime for little boys.

    15. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Typical "intersectional" reporting. What is the base rate of abuse?

      That IS the base rate of abuse. The study looked at variances in women, like women of colour, left vs right leaning posts by women, etc.

      Stop being such a self important male.

    16. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why pose that question when you're obviously not interested in the answer. I mean it's not like TFA has a big information bubble that you can click on with the heading "What is an Abusive Tweet?" Oh wait, yes it has.

    17. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You know, I think this victim narrative is a huge disservice to all women, event though some seem to temporarily profit from it. It does reinforce the picture of women as poor, helpless, incompetent creatures and that is not good.

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  9. I'm not sure you know what that word even means by guruevi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does the female version of the app come with rockem sockem robots attached? You're on a public platform where people's thoughts are brought to you unfiltered. I am surprised that only 1 in every 125000 messages is mean to a woman.

    How about you ignore that 1 message and read the other 124999. Or like me, read none.

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    1. Re:I'm not sure you know what that word even means by sfcat · · Score: 1

      How about you ignore that 1 message and read the other 124999. Or like me, read none.

      Because nothing generates clicks like rage and the algorithms are designed to generate clicks so they tend to show rage inducing tweets to rage-aholics aka people on the Internet.

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  10. How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Jarwulf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do the 280 characters or less reach out and pull their hair and choke them?

    1. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember this next time you consider a feminist viewpoint. They are not reasonable or fair. Feminism is a hate group (a dumb term, but I am fighting fire with fire here).

    2. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, it reached out and voted for Trump, right?

    3. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by taustin · · Score: 1

      The people behind this "study" aren't feminists. They hate women as much as they hate men. Their specific goal with this sort of propaganda is to reduce women to helpless victims, because helpless victims need protectors. And guess who is (according to them) the only people who can be trusted to protect helpless (all) women from mean (all) men?

      If all women are helpless victims and all men are psychotic rapists, then they (and only they) get to control everyone.

      It's not about feminism, it's about power. Specifically, power over other people. Convince the world this is BS, and these same people will try to find or create another helpless victim group that needs their (and only their) protection. Children are always good for a few million bucks.

    4. Re: How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to break it to you, bro: what you hear described IS feminism.

    5. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You overestimate the physical power of the internet. What is worth considering is that vilification, particularly incessant vilification, is a method of power, control, and (at a societal level) hegemony.

      Regrettably, you come across as being part of the problem. There is a solution.

    6. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Current liberal orthodoxy holds that uncomfortable speech is literally violence, with the overt end goal of framing the elimination of free speech rights as necessary self defense.

    7. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're so weak that saying something mean to you on twitter is all it takes to gain "power" and "control" over you, how the fuck do you manage to stumble through a day without being kidnapped and sold into sex slavery or something? Do you need armed bodyguards to defend you in case someone on the street "vilifies" you? Do you call the police if you see someone in a MAGA hat?

    8. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I know where you live, bitch, and you have to sleep some time. https://www.amazonsellerslawye...

      You can fit plenty of intimidation into 280 characters.

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    9. Re: How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War is peace. Slavery is freedom.

    10. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by GhostBond · · Score: 1

      You're totally right in everything you described...but how is that not feminism? Feminism is the vehicle used to push that.

    11. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by GhostBond · · Score: 0

      I guarantee you this is not what they measured, and what they did measure was more like "you're wrong" = abuse.

    12. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You're simply making stuff up to discount the conclusion. You didn't even read the article yet you are so very very sure it's wrong. If it's as bad as you say them finding a flaw in it ought to be very easy. So, why make up stuff and claim it as fact?

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    13. Re: How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, fight the power and stand up against the chains of oppression.

      Oh wait, you are silent when it comes to the people really in power, the puppet masters pulling the strings of society, but instead declare your opposition to imaginary enemies like a character monologuing in an Ayn Rand novel.

    14. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finding a flaw?
      With what fucking dataset?
      Exactly.

      They probably count things like "bitch" or "cunt" as only attacks against woman, when large numbers of Twitter users use those words casually in reference to ANYONE.
      See their own dumb system as evidence.
      It's not the attack that is important, but the way the system is geared.
      These people are out of touch. They are clueless. The system was probably filled with SJW-tier retards that get triggered at the most trivial of things.
      The sorts of people that usually end up becoming mods and takers of social science studies because they are worthless outside of that due to being on permanent welfare / bank of mommy and daddy handouts. (including Twitter, has a literal SJW unit for triggered babbies to report to)

      Until the dataset is public and is done for men, intersex and whatever other subgroups of interest, it's worthless data.
      It's also fucking tiny. So saying "every 30 seconds" is pointless.
      Just like saying "a person dies every 3 seconds", and? There's many more people born. Fuck off.
      Focus on the actual issue, the insane growth rate, and you will fix both the population explosion and the unnecessary and unfortunate deaths.
      Nope, gotta guilt trip people in to donating by showing kids with flies in their eyeballs and sad piano music.

    15. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I know where you live, bitch, and you have to sleep some time. https://www.amazonsellerslawye...

      You can fit plenty of intimidation into 280 characters.

      And nobody has a problem calling something like that, clear cut, from someone IRL who is actually a threat, "abusive". (Not to mention illegal.)

      The problem is that it won't stop there, and doesn't stop there, with clear cut cases like that, and you really do know that.

    16. Re: How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by taustin · · Score: 1

      Your tin foil hat is slipping, son. But if you took your meds, the voices would go away.

    17. Re: How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by taustin · · Score: 1

      That's what you're supposed to believe, spoon fed to you by the same people pretending to be at the opposite end of the political spectrum. You're ever bit as much a tool as the so-called feminists.

      Blind hate is easier to manage than thinking, especially if you're naïve and gullible.

    18. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Fuck you you worthless cunt.

      ^^^ Clearly not abusive language since I'm not pulling your hair or choking you.

    19. Re:How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, that's not a bad idea. If we get his address we can make a few bucks and split it. Doubt we make more than $1000, but hell I can use an extra $500 after Christmas..

  11. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They also pick high profile targets (Politicians and people of controversy.) Then wave a magic "machine learning" wand and assume all women are targeted in the same fashion, not just the loudmouth cunts.

  12. A global nuclear war would fix this quickly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mostly because the whiners would be incinerated.

  13. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Shaitan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what constitutes "abused"

  14. These are rookie numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You gotta get those numbers up. 98% of respondents abuse me on Twitter. I love the free real estate I occupy in their minds.

  15. One individual man probably gets more bad tweets by raymorris · · Score: 0

    One every thirty seconds, if you believe the extrapolation they did with their AI. (Why AI instead of simple arithmetic?) Anyway, hmm. I bet there are more negative tweets about Trump than than only two per minute.

    We do have a lot of negativity in our society. I'd like to discuss disagreement more civilly. Attempting to divide us men vs women, or cast females as victims, isn't going to bring us together and help make things more polite, or increase our desire to understand each other. It's just trying to stoke controversy.

  16. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They looked at 288,000 tweets and determined that there were 1.1 million abusive tweets? WTF.

  17. Among the thousands of tweets per second by bettodavis · · Score: 1

    In the twitterverse, only 1 abuse every 30 seconds?

    Damn, I'm surprised how well mannered and respectful Twitter users are.

    And have you measured the rate of verbal abuse to males by any chance? no?

    Don't worry. I'm sure you will bring balanced and objective reporting. I can wait.

  18. I think I found her husband by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful
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  19. Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I thought this was news for nerds,news that matters.

    1. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *stuff that matters.
      Most news, like this piece meaningless piece of shit story, don't really matter.

    2. Re: Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      It's News for Nerds because they used "AI" in the process of lying with statistics.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

    3. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abuse of women using new vectors, in this case technology, is relevant to a technology site.

      Of course, you may be in that group of people who believe all technology is good, and therefore all uses of technology are legitimate. Others are a little more worldly-wise.

      Alternatively, your vision of what a 'society' is, may not include women. Or (and I think this is more likely) your vision may not include women in positions of power.

    4. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's become another mouthpiece of the corporate media since it was taken over a few years back.

    5. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by Cederic · · Score: 0

      Or possibly this is an excellent forum in which to discuss the flaws inherent to the study and the idiocy of the conclusions some may draw from it, so that their subsequent politically motivated actions can be appropriately derided and requests for actual supporting evidence provided.

      Evidence such as https://www.independent.co.uk/... which indicates that gender is not a factor in abuse received. Oh sorry, did I just break the narrative?

    6. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, this study will be used to tighten down the Rust Code of Conduct...

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    7. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Or (and I think this is more likely) your vision may not include women in positions of power."

      Did you straighten out your family over Christmas dinner this year? They probably hold a lot of problematic opinions that need correcting.

    8. Re:Is this Slashdot or SJWdot? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Slashdot justice warrior

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  20. Not a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâ(TM)m not in the slightest bit surprised by this. While I find it useful to see the headlines posted, a convenient way to hear about some new things, the comments are invariably anal and childish. Abusing women fits perfectly with that mentality so, no surprise.

    1. Re: Not a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, forgot to say, the reason I posted that no surprise comment annonomously is because I donâ(TM)t want to have to deal with all the childish and anal replies that would show up in my email if I logged in to post.

    2. Re: Not a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look everybody - an iTard who admits he has no real argument nevertheless feels it necessary to post anonymous insults.

  21. Yet another bad study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Target group: female Politicians and Journalists.

    Not women, but specifically women who take public stances on a range of controversial issues, for a living. AKA Public Figures.

    Sample Size: 778 US and UK citizens.

    Less than 1,000. Out of 10.86 million active daily users. Half of which are statistically likely to be female as well. So 5.4 million roughly. This is a sample size of less than 0.00025%. Listerine leaves more germs behind than this study's sample size compared to the whole.

    But that is actually okay, because in the actual article there is a disclaimer: "Note: This analysis is specific to the group of women in the study and would likely differ if applied to other professions, countries or the wider population."

    So, they know its shit research AND sensationalist journalism. And they print it anyways. Nice. Oh wait, maybe there is something else involved...

    "Online abuse against women on this scale should not and does not have to exist on social media platforms. Companies like Twitter have a responsibility to respect human rights, which means ensuring that women using the platform are able to express themselves freely and without fear."

    Oh, Twitter should be the thought police! My bad, I thought this was about respecting human rights, like the ability to say whatever the hell you want to. I think we call that... Freedom... of Speech. You don't have to listen, but you can't shut me up. Fight me with facts, bring reality to the table to try and change me, sure. But this... well, this is just saying women are weak and need protecting from evil words by our beneficent Technology Overlords. Its a trash study with a disgusting agenda behind it. Troll Patrol, what an incredibly appropriate name!

    1. Re:Yet another bad study... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      which means ensuring that women using the platform are able to express themselves freely and without fear.

      What about those who are using the platform to express their disagreement of or dislike for those women? Should they not be able to express themselves freely and without fear too?
      Politics would become pretty pointless if you're no longer allowed to disagree with female politicians.

      And what exactly is "fear" ? Why would anyone be afraid of an idiot posting shit? I've been called all sorts of things on slashdot over the years and yet still posting here.

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    2. Re:Yet another bad study... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      which means ensuring that women using the platform are able to express themselves freely and without fear.

      What about those who are using the platform to express their disagreement of or dislike for those women? Should they not be able to express themselves freely and without fear too?

      It totally depends upon the political position of the women being disagreed with/disliked. If the recipient is liberal, then it's hate speech and abuse; it they are conservative then it is justified completely and those "women" need to shut the fuck up because they are spewing hate speech and should have their accounts closed down immediately and forever.

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  22. Must be nice being special by whodunit · · Score: 1

    I'm called nasty names on Twitter all the time - I just had a random troll drop in to start sassing me not ten minutes ago - but apparently the abuse directed at me doesn't matter because I don't have a vagina. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

    1. Re:Must be nice being special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm called nasty names on Twitter all the time.

      Wow, me too! What a coincidence!

      Signed, nastynames

    2. Re:Must be nice being special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can fix that vagina problem now. Can't do anything about being short though ...

    3. Re: Must be nice being special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they can make you taller. It's amazing the different ways a person can get their body sliced & diced by the butchers of Bangkok.

  23. Context Is Missing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just looked at the published methodology.

    I detect some issues with their methodology. Definitions of what constitute "abusive" or "problematic" tweets are explained in Appendix E.

    Their explanations of the categories do not seem very precise. They are vague enough to include lots of edge-cases. Their examples are clear enough, but a clear example does not exonerate a vague criterion. (Hypothetical example: "I am going to murder you tomorrow" is certainly an example of abusive and threatening speech... but what else is in included as threating and abusive speech? Counterexamples are also necessary, else "I hate that rabbit in the field behind your house" might also be considered abusive.)

    But more to the point, a full 55% of the tweets they flag as "abusive content" fall under the category of "other"... and that's a huge red flag.

    They describe "other" thus: There will be some tweets that fall under the âother categoryâ(TM) that are problematic and/or abusive. For example, statements that target a userâ(TM)s disability, be it physical or mental, or content that attacks a womanâ(TM)s nationality, health status, legal status, employment, etc.

    Uh... yeah. "Some" is 55%. And not only is this one the majority, it is a particularly vague definition. For example, if someone replies to an irate tweet, "Calm down! I know the Irish are famous for temper, but cool down a little!" is that "targeting a woman's nationality"? According to their description, it could be.

    But here is the biggest problem with this study:

    Nowhere did they compare this to any other groups. They singled out famous women and women in politics, but they didn't compare against famous men and men in politics.

    And since there is no such comparison, it's all pretty much meaningless.

    What if famous men and men in politics are "abused" on Twitter every 31 seconds? Or every 28 seconds?

    Without that knowledge, does the study really say anything other than "the subset of people we chose got 'abused' at this rate?"

    So what? Nothing to compare it to makes it pretty much useless knowledge.

    While what they say may be true,

    1. Re:Context Is Missing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Pardon the bad characters in the text... that's what I get for copying and pasting from the original material and forgetting about Slashdot's refusal to update to a modern character set.

    2. Re:Context Is Missing by CaptainDork · · Score: 1, Funny

      Trump is the most abused male on Twitter.

      Hell, he's the most abused male OFF Twitter.

      If those statements aren't true, it's not because I don't try.

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    3. Re:Context Is Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's clear enough. If you disagree with you woman on the interwebs then you are abusing them. When did you stop beating your wife? Apparently never.

      Wife beater.

    4. Re:Context Is Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine these researchers could have combined all the abusive and problematic tweets they found and the sum would still be less than what Trump faces.

      Does that mean the abuse sent at Trump is somehow worse than misogyny, or even wrong?

      Some people earn their consequences.

    5. Re:Context Is Missing by Tom · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the analysis. This is exactly what I wondered about. Sad that commentators on /. need to point these things out, such things should be part of the articles about the study.

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    6. Re:Context Is Missing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you bother to read TFA you will find that there is a text box where you can try out different text to see if the algo thinks it is problematic. Let's try your "I hate that rabbit in the field behind your house" example.

      "This tweet seems not problematic or abusive." Rated 10% "light".

      How about "Calm down! I know the Irish are famous for temper, but cool down a little!" That is rated not problematic, 14% "light".

      So it seems your fears are unfounded and if you had RTFA you could have discovered that for yourself. It's almost as if they predicted your response and made sure to address it.

      Also note that the study only includes the 1 every 30 seconds stat in the summary as a simple reference point for the volume of abusive tweets, it's not making any claims about that being particularly bad or worse than anything else. The study is more focused on the nature of the abuse, or the relative volumes directed at different sub-groups.

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    7. Re:Context Is Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, people like you are the reason why I read Slashdot comments.

    8. Re:Context Is Missing by ZombieCatInABox · · Score: 1

      Well, that's only fair, since he's also to most abusive male on Twitter.

    9. Re:Context Is Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the relative volumes directed at different sub-groups

      Otherwise known as dividing the group by skin color.

    10. Re:Context Is Missing by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      If you bother to read TFA you will find that there is a text box where you can try out different text to see if the algo thinks it is problematic. Let's try your "I hate that rabbit in the field behind your house" example.

      "This tweet seems not problematic or abusive." Rated 10% "light".

      How about "Calm down! I know the Irish are famous for temper, but cool down a little!" That is rated not problematic, 14% "light".

      So it seems your fears are unfounded and if you had RTFA you could have discovered that for yourself. It's almost as if they predicted your response and made sure to address it.

      Also note that the study only includes the 1 every 30 seconds stat in the summary as a simple reference point for the volume of abusive tweets, it's not making any claims about that being particularly bad or worse than anything else. The study is more focused on the nature of the abuse, or the relative volumes directed at different sub-groups.

      Oh yes, I'm sure.

      Twitter says themselves that they aren't going to to do arbitrary and unfair things, so I guess that means they aren't! Whew, glad that's settled then.

    11. Re:Context Is Missing by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Some people earn their consequences.

      Not specified in the study, and indeed negligently absent is a blind study to determine the predictability of a person being a troll magnet.

      That would have worked well to adjust for bias.

      In my class, "The Sociology of Gender," (way back), we each went to a Yahoo! chat room for adults, one session as Bob and one session as Alice.

      I was the only male in the class of 15. We all gathered behind whomever was driving the computer for the next few days and observed as we each pretended to be Bob. It was boring as hell. Men did not talk to men. Women rarely talked to men. Because the "classroom" Bob was not Alpha, we were ignored by all.

      When we switched to Alice, BOOM! "Information overload!"

      Men AND women wanted to talk to us. The men wanted cybersex (consisted of wanking off to text chat) and women wanted to talk about kids, divorce, jobs, money, weight-loss, and how Mr. ________ was such a total ass.

      When I got on the terminal, we had such fun, mostly at my expense.

      I tried to role-play as female and I think my record for deviousness was 3 minutes. Women had their GENDAR up and the class was laughing so hard when one of the women asked, "Alice, what bra size are you?"

      I was befuddled, and (count with me) "3 ... 2... 1 ... " "Too late asshole!"

      I appealed to the women in class, "Dammit. If I'm 5'5" and weigh 130 lbs, what size bra, panties, shoes ..."

      They wrote me a cheat sheet.

      That's how I milked being Alice for 3 minutes with one woman.

      The men? It was all, "Alice, what size tits do you have?" "Do you shave your pussy?" "Wanna have phone sex?" Man. I was beet-red.

      My professor was right about her class when, on day one, she told me, "Welcome to 'Men are Shit 101.'"

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    12. Re:Context Is Missing by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, the addition of 'women' does imply that gender is somehow significant in that. Titles such as 'Every 30 seconds a Jew is abused on Twitter' would definitely lead to thoughts and questions about antisemitism.

      Looking at some of their examples, the gender part is really quite insignificant:
      - "hope you need the emergency services and they fucking refuse to help you. Sour faced twat."
      - "B list politician. Grade A cunt."
      - "Another thin skinned whiny little bitch."
      ( 3/8 of the examples they give in the slider viewer here: https://decoders.amnesty.org/p... )
      Especially in Britain these are very generic and genderless insults.

      I'd like to add that as far as internet comments go, these are also pretty mild. I'd wager that there isn't a Slashdotter around that would actually be offended by these and wouldn't just brush them off.

    13. Re:Context Is Missing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I can name a few Slashdotters who would be greatly offended by that kind of language... But I take your point.

      I think the issue here is that while a lot of these comments are relatively low level trolling, just immature asshats, they create a toxic environment. Toxic because it stifles debate and toxic because it feeds the mob mentality that leads to doxing and threats of violence that cannot simply be ignored.

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    14. Re:Context Is Missing by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      because it stifles debate

      I agree there, but I'd like to add that it does so in the same way and at the same level as pretty much all other ad hominems and a slew of other fallacies.
      The internet is in great need of a commenting/microposting-system that effectively cultivates well-reasoned debate. To this day, Slashdot is still the best I've encountered.

      toxic because it feeds the mob mentality that leads to doxing and threats of violence that cannot simply be ignored.

      I'm not sure I can get behind (acting on) this. Has there ever been a case of a Slashdotter being doxed? There certainly are plenty of harsh (to say the least) ad hominems going around here.

      I think the problem with doxing and threats of violence is that the targets serve as the personification of the arch enemy of whichever tribe the perpetrators have joined. I'm sure that seeing others pile hatred on the target du jour has an unwanted impact on them, but the general level of opposition against 'the other team' seems much more influential to me. As an example, I'd say that "The Clintons are running a child sex ring in restaurant Comet Ping Pong" is much more toxic (in the sense you described) than "Hillary is a fat cunt". Obviously "Hillary is evil and must die!" would be much more toxic than both of the above.

      What I'm getting at is that comments should be judged on their insidiousness and dishonesty, not on the number of 'offensive words' in them.

    15. Re:Context Is Missing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about Twitter rather than Slashdot, but people have been doxed here. It tends not to be in the comment text, but rather via links.

      Also, check the research, they didn't simply judge comments on the number of offensive words in them. Their system is actually a lot more complex than that.

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    16. Re:Context Is Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If, as you claim, the gender of the people being studied doesn't matter, why not incorporate all genders and get a larger sample size? Why do you find it so important to defend this specific study with vague claims yourself while ignoring similar when women aren't the focus?

      Everyone knows what Ami is, does, and his sockpuppet moderation accounts. Why nobody with the ability to do something about it chooses not to is beyond me. The user AmiMoJo has already been banned from all of the slashdot alternatives which popped up during the beta fiasco for good reason. He should be banned here too.

    17. Re:Context Is Missing by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      "Calm down! I know the Irish are...."

      I believe this is (in snowflake speak) a "microaggression". So, since it fits the agenda, they'll certainly include it. It's no longer allowed to be considered a joke since intentions no longer matter, only how it makes the recipient feel. Kinda like when an ugly guy approaches a gal, says something nice, and she says he's creepy, but a handsome man says the same thing and it's okay.

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    18. Re:Context Is Missing by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      "How stupid can you be?" 63% - Moderate
      "Don't be such a bitch" 85% - Very High

      and yet...

      "Fuck you" gets 10%

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    19. Re:Context Is Missing by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and my favorite so far...

      "go back to the kitchen" - 90%

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    20. Re:Context Is Missing by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      ...and just to point out a bit more idiocy here

      Fucking cunt gets 70% while Stupid cunt gets 95%

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  24. Trolltrace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1/2 were indian men asking for pics of bobs and vageen. 1/2 were their own alts talking to their political enemies.

  25. basicaly humans suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They use any and all methods of communication to abuse others...

    This article is very one sided, has zero information on men being abused, for all we know this 0.01% of what men get...

    Also for all we know this is the result on one bot from one individual.

  26. Re:One individual man probably gets more bad tweet by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    if you believe the extrapolation they did with their AI. (Why AI instead of simple arithmetic?)

    It seems like they trained it to distinguish abusive from non-abusive tweets, using a relatively small dataset. Then they sent the AI out to classify at a much larger set of tweets on the internet.

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  27. Yes??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes but the real question here is what did they do to deserve it? Sorry but if you're being "abused" on Twitter it's likely you did something to deserve it. The fact it's happening more frequently to "women of color" only serves to drive home this fact. If you want to find the most vile, racist, sexist tweets, just look to women of color. As a general rule They hate whites, Latinos, Jews, Asians and men in the most blatant and outrageous rants. Then wonder why people attack them, even other "women of color". If you stop being so ratchet others will stop attacking your ghetto uneducated positions.

  28. Re: Leftism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where you pretend to be weak so that you may rule over others.

  29. Yes Ma'am... by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Ur allotted as much respect as anyone. Thats a nice gig though... Id milk it for all its worth. :)

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  30. Simple solution by hvidstue · · Score: 1

    Look away from the screen every 30 seconds

    1. Re:Simple solution by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      indeed

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  31. 'Bout the same ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... as BBS back in the dial-up days.

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  32. Real Intent is Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The study conducted by Amnesty International and Element AI should be ignored because the authors of the study designate any negative comment as an "abusive comment".

    For example, all comments in a polite essay that successfully refutes claims of gender barriers in information technology would be designated by Amnesty International and Element AI as "abusive comments against women".

    What is the real intent of Amnesty International and Element AI in producing this so-called study? Both organizations want to censor information.

    Unsurprisingly, both organizations used Twitter as the vehicle for facilitating censorship. Twitter itself censors information.

    In a previous century, Christian clergymen declared that factual statements from some scientists (e.g., Galileo Galilei) are offensive. The clergymen shouted, "Blasphemy! Heresy!" They used religious emotion to suppress the truth.

    In the current century, Hispanics (and Africans) and their political accomplices declare that factual statements from some conservative populists (e.g., Ann Coulter) are offensive. Hispanics shout, "Bigotry! Racism! White Supremacy!" They use religious emotion to suppress the truth. (Consider one example of the truth.)

    Upon hearing accusations of racism, Twitter promptly bans the writer (of the truth) and deletes his comments.

    Suppressing the truth in the past or the present is unethical.

    Deliberately censoring information is equivalent to deliberately spreading disinformation. Both techniques create a false impression of reality. Twitter is no better than the propaganda offices in Beijing and Moscow.

    Amnesty International has now discredited itself as a human-rights organization.

  33. Women are not abused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this group trying to spread lies? I have seen zero instances of abuse toward women in that site. Fake news

  34. Sucks to be her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She shouldnâ(TM)t be on twitter

  35. Amnesty International-- really? by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The disturbing part isn't that somebody published this absolutely idiotic study. (I won't go into why it is idiotic, since literally every other post has pointed out one or more serious flaws in the study-- rarely have I ever seen anything ripped to shreds quite this thoroughly). No, the disturbing part is that Amnesty International was involved. THIS is what Amnesty International is doing these days?

    I mean I'm not an expert, but I always thought Amnesty International was one of the most respected of all human-rights organizations-- the sort of organization I would donate money to. Not any more.

    1. Re:Amnesty International-- really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I used to think Amnesty International was one of the few respectable charities remaining. I was really impressed when one of their street canvassers told me it's their policy to refuse donations from people who are on disability or welfare. Every other street canvasser for every other charity I've encountered, be it CNIB or Plan Canada or Greenpeace tries the "oh, well, a few bucks isn't going to hurt..." bullshit whenever I mention I'm on a limited income.

      So yeah, I had some respect for Amnesty International, but after seeing this shit, fuck 'em. They've become yet another charity that has shifted their mission and operational strategy to become an organization that sustains the problems they purport to oppose, in order to remain relevant in an increasingly peaceful world. I'll bet if I invented a food replicator and showed them the plans, they'd burn the plans and shoot me in the head, just so they can keep "fighting hunger".

      Are there no more charities that are focused on an endgame and would love nothing more than to be shuttered due to victory and lack of future relevance? This "perpetual charity machine" problem is what we get when the CEOs, chairs and board members of "non-profits" get paid six figure salaries. Charities should not be allowed to provide income to their members. Why should the CEO of a major charity get half a million dollars when their front-line volunteers who work longer and harder in harsher conditions get nothing to show for it? Why is that half a million not going towards the needy?

      I've heard the argument that it's to attract people with the operational skills to run these charities. Bullshit. Anyone with that much talent is already pulling in six figures at a corporation they work at two days a week. They can take some time off from golfing if they really have the heart and the passion to run a charity, too. People like that are rare but they do exist, and it wouldn't be hard to find them these days with social networking, either. Corporate leaders are good at making money for themselves and their organizations. They are good at what they do, but their goals are incompatible with charity work, which is why they ruin so many charities -- not because they even mean to, but just because they're being themselves.

    2. Re:Amnesty International-- really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This same happened in Finland a couple af years ago. Amnesty International seems to become involved with feminism and lost the original worthy cause.

      I used to be a letter writer when younger. I would not have even considered to be one if the current anti male policies of Amnesty InternationaI were active at that time.

  36. Real Intent is Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study conducted by Amnesty International and Element AI should be ignored because the authors of the study designate any negative comment as an "abusive comment".

    For example, all comments in a polite essay that successfully refutes claims of gender barriers in information technology would be designated by Amnesty International and Element AI as "abusive comments against women".

    What is the real intent of Amnesty International and Element AI in producing this so-called study? Both organizations want to censor information.

    Unsurprisingly, both organizations used Twitter as the vehicle for facilitating censorship. Twitter itself censors information.

    In a previous century, Christian clergymen declared that factual statements from some scientists (e.g., Galileo Galilei) are offensive. The clergymen shouted, "Blasphemy! Heresy!" They used religious emotion to suppress the truth.

    In the current century, Hispanics (and Africans) and their political accomplices declare that factual statements from some conservative populists (e.g., Ann Coulter) are offensive. Hispanics shout, "Bigotry! Racism! White Supremacy!" They use religious emotion to suppress the truth. (Consider one example of the truth.)

    Upon hearing accusations of racism, Twitter promptly bans the writer (of the truth) and deletes his comments.

    Suppressing the truth in the past or the present is unethical.

    Deliberately censoring information is equivalent to deliberately spreading disinformation. Both techniques create a false impression of reality. Twitter is no better than the propaganda offices in Beijing and Moscow.

    Amnesty International has now discredited itself as a human-rights organization.

  37. Hmmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At what point does the skin of the human race become sooooooo thin that it will no longer stop Alpha Particles and the human race perishes from radiation poisoning?

  38. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what constitutes "abused"

    Saying anything I don’t like.

  39. Human Rights Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Amnesty International (AI) has morphed from an organization promoting human rights to an organzation promoting the policies of the alt-left.

    AI now demands that all Western nations maintain "open borders", which is tantamount to national suicide. (There is more information about this issue.)

    By contrast, Human Rights Watch (HRW) remains apolitical. HRW promotes only human rights.

    1. Re:Human Rights Watch by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      AI still does a hell of a lot of good. But you're right, the organisation is being taken over by people with a "different agenda". Same as happened to Greenpeace.

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    2. Re:Human Rights Watch by zmooc · · Score: 1

      AI is still doing many good things. However, they're ran by self-proclaimed victims these days while what they really need are people that understand statistics, which would fit in pretty well since they appear to be a minority:p

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    3. Re:Human Rights Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if that's right, doing the wrong thing will good intentions is worse than doing nothing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Besides, I am not convinced that the people who are pushing this agenda into everything have good intentions. It reeks of social sabotage.

  40. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Red_Forman · · Score: 1

    The solution is simple: women should not be allowed on the Internet!

    Problem solved, once and for all!

  41. Re:A Nerd on Slashdot is by Dunbal · · Score: 0

    As many as it takes to abuse you

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  42. A woman on Twitter is abused every 30 seconds by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess women either shouldn't use Twitter or limit their sessions to 29 seconds to avoid being abused.

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    1. Re:A woman on Twitter is abused every 30 seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...didn't read TFA ...didn't read TFS ...but when I saw the headline, it was immediately clear to me:

      That woman should get off of twitter.

    2. Re:A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad I am to find someone else with as twisted a mind as mine although to avoid confusion the headline might have been written as "Some woman" rather than "A woman".

    3. Re:A woman on Twitter is abused every 30 seconds by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      To be honest, everyone should get off Twitter.

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  43. And other worthless reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A women bitch is abused on slashdot whore every 2 seconds. Slashdot is the center for you bitch sucking, whore mongering hang outs. Facebook NEVER abuses anyone and Google will replace God after death with eternal love.

    Smoke yourself into stupidity.

  44. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by easyTree · · Score: 0

    When their significant other doesn't gift a Michael Kors handbag over the Christmas period?

  45. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by jgoemat · · Score: 1

    It's machine learning. So the researches trained the AI with what they think is "abusive" or "problematic". What would be really useful is to see one of the twitter feeds with the tweets they deem as problematic or abusive flagged as such. Or just click a button and take us to a random one of the million abusive or problematic tweets so we could see what they're talking about. What I saw looking through those pages were just two sample images with a lot of content blocked out. Show us the data, machine learning doesn't mean squat unless you know exactly how they were trained.

  46. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this is not a problem unless it's worse than when compared to a particular population? Using a criterion you set?

    For example, the abuse heaped on black female politicians appalls me, irrespective of whether it's worse or lesser than for other populations. It appalls me to the point where I support the campaign for Twitter to take action. I cannot see a reason why protracted vilification ought to be tacitly endorsed.

  47. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo! Can't say anything that might upset someone's tender sensibilities. And what definition of "abuse" did they use in their study? And while they extrapolating their results did they take into consideration that some of the "abuse" targeting women were just responses to the women who instigated the "abuse"? And did they identify the gender of the person hurling the "abuse" at women?

  48. And a Trump voter ever 30 milliseconds. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds

    And a Trump voter ever 30 milliseconds. So what else is new?

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      That’s some fast self reflection!

  49. and they scanned / . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and found that we were doing pretty good until the last year when something happened. slash dot became it little weirder // was it me?

    can we deal with something for serious like how many comments in all of github or sourceforge are sexist? and if so, towards whom?

  50. Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's 2880 times a day. I bet she's getting real tired of it.

  51. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    So called "abuse" against black female politicians should not be singled out as a "problem" unless they are receiving significantly more "abuse" than other politicians. Otherwise, the actual "problem" is "politicians are receiving abuse".

    However none of this is "abuse", it is negative comments about someone. Who remembers the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"?

    Also worth considering is that politicians are by their very nature controversial public figures that will attract negative comments. There are negative comments made about donald trump every day, he's neither black nor female. Negative comments are made about hillary clinton too and she's not black. Infact donald trump probably receives far more hostile comments and empty threats than any other politician today and yet he's not crying about it like a baby.

    If you want to be a public figure, and especially go into politics you can expect that people will disagree with you and even hate you. If you don't like that, choose a different career.

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  52. SJW Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is pure BS on so many levels. Twitter is a SJW safe place where the mods can and will permanently ban you for being too white, christian, straight, male or for simply criticizing any leftwinger snowflake. Criticism is NOT abuse.

  53. The solution is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to create a new, safe-space version of Twitter for women, where they can safely post the things nobody cares about.

    We'll call it Twatter.

    We just need to get some men involved in order to actually get the ball rolling. You know, like with everything else that ever gets done.

  54. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    End the sufferage of women!

  55. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "Using a criterion you set?"

    Well yes, ultimately we each set the criterion by which we define a problem. Did you think I'd let you set it for me?

    In any case, we can hardly evaluate if their criteria are valid if they don't define them and therefore must assume they are not.

  56. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Baseline: Outside of twitter, in real life, 39 men are killed (homicide records) every hour (including countries where we can get statistics, 80% of victims are male).

    Suddenly it doesn't sound so bad that someone is calling women with nasty names on twitter.

  57. Re:One individual man probably gets more bad tweet by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    I dare bet the AI wasn't much better than `if tweet contains any of these words, it's abusive`.

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  58. #toolong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    29 seconds too long if you ask me. If you can't stand the heat, get back in the kitchen.

  59. People are abusing statistics every 2 seconds by ET3D · · Score: 1

    I got this figure by extrapolating from this particular study.

  60. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So called "abuse" against black female politicians should not be singled out as a "problem" unless they are receiving significantly more "abuse" than other politicians. Otherwise, the actual "problem" is "politicians are receiving abuse"."

    Bullshit. Stupid knows no color or gender. Being a black female does not make one immune to constant criticism if they're f'ing stupid. See: Maxine Waters, Shelia Jackson Lee. Both could be white males and they'd still be objects of ridicule.

  61. How often are men abused on Twitter? by iamacat · · Score: 1

    It seems odd that a reputable study would not measure that as a baseline. Women are probably abused more because trolls think they are more likely to get a reaction. But I run a small political website and spend a lot of time deleting comments critiquing my anatomy or suggesting I engage in unnatural relations with POTUS. A healthy mixture of right wing and left wing trolls as far as I can tell. So there is a lot of trash on Internet regardless of who you are.

  62. Why is she still on Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I were abused every 30 seconds, I'd leave.

  63. What the hell is this shit? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What the absolute fuck has this site come to? If someone went back in time and told cmdrtaco what was to become of his beloved tech news aggregator after his departure, I wonder if he would have believed them? This place might as well not exist anymore; it is nothing more than a cash cow to grab ad revenue by posting the most obviously inflammatory bollocks its moderators can think of. Whoever posted this must have cum in their pants at just the mere thought of all those ad impressions. Fuck me, what a travesty. I'd say the new owners ought to be ashamed of themselves but they either don't know what shame is, or it's something they enjoy feeling. I've half a feeling that they even own those dopey nazi ascii posting bots as well; anything to make a dollar, the dirty cunts.

    1. Re:What the hell is this shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't even get to the site.
      Immediately upon it's finished loading, the entire site erases itself.
      LOL. Not even worth the time reading anyway.
      Thanks Fastcompany. You sure were fast! I highly recommended you to friends to not do things and do something worthwhile instead.

    2. Re:What the hell is this shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get so mad. Most of the participants in these comments can see right through the bullshit just as well as you can, and we're busy using up as much of Slashdot's bandwidth to demonstrate and signal as much. I block ads and tracking scripts so that every time I visit here ends up costing them money. If Slashdot keeps wanting to spend money to give us a space online for telling them how stupid they are, I'm cool with that. If they disabled comments, or if the comments were collectively just as stupid as the articles (like they are on TechDirt,) I'd have no more reason to visit here.

  64. Trolls on patrol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Element AI looked at data from 288,000 tweets sent to 778 female politicians and journalists in the U.S.

    LOL

    the group then extrapolated

    ROFL

    Did you know 300 million "cyber attacks" are conducted against various US TLAs per DAY?

  65. Why doesn't she change her Twitter handle?! by IHTFISP · · Score: 0

    If this poor woman is being abused every 30 seconds, why doesn't she just change her Twitter handle? Maybe to something more male sounding?

    I mean, really?! This isn't rocket surgery, people! Sheesh!!

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    1. Re:Why doesn't she change her Twitter handle?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if she blocked the abusers it would help? Does she even know how to use Twitter?

    2. Re:Why doesn't she change her Twitter handle?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this poor woman is being abused every 30 seconds, why doesn't she just change her Twitter handle? Maybe to something more male sounding?

      I mean, really?! This isn't rocket surgery, people! Sheesh!!

      Rocket surgery?!?!? Why would anyone want to perform surgery on a rocket? Are you daft?

      Now Rocket SCIENCE, or brain SURGERY, that'd make a lot more sense!

    3. Re:Why doesn't she change her Twitter handle?! by IHTFISP · · Score: 1

      Yes, congratulations on spotting my tongue-in-cheek sarcastic malapropism. Well done, Professor. ;-)

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  66. And how may abusive tweets are sent to men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And men get hateful tweets every second? Why is it news when women are the victims and silenced and ridiculed when it's men.

  67. When a woman is criticized on Tweeter...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...she's being abused.
    When a men is criticized on Tweeter his privilege is being checked.....

  68. A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds by ChatHuant · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I can't believe she hasn't closed her account yet...

  69. But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...we poor men do get abused too! Buhuhuuuu!

    Look, guys. You're so disgusting, I'm sometimes ashamed to be a man too. If you can't (or don't want to) see that our current society is biased against women (and worse against LGBTI), then shut the fuck up.

    You're embarrasing.

    1. Re:But, but, but... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Two things:

      1. Which society - the US or Saudi Arabia?

      2. Examples of bias against women (measurable - not what you feel, but what actually the result is)?

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  70. How to fix this by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Make a version of invite only social media just for woman?
    Make all men move to the dark web?

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  71. strange state by gravewax · · Score: 1

    That stat sounds incredibly low. The amount of shit and abuse on all social platforms for all users is insane. What that suggests to me is maybe Woman are not as abused as men on twitter?

  72. How is it possible? by bblb · · Score: 2

    How is it even possible to be "abused on twitter"??? What the fuck happened to sticks and stones and all that? I swear, this is the most delicate generation in history that written on words on social media now constitute "abuse"... and an honest disservice to all the victims of actual abuse in the real world that their suffering is being coopted by snowflakes on social media who get hurt by words.

    1. Re:How is it possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't agree more with your words.

  73. How much abuse was from other women? by Qango · · Score: 2

    How much abuse was from other women?

  74. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only the losers attack women on twitter. I guess they were too busy learning about their special parts in grammar school and forgot to to attend the grammar part

  75. Muh Soggy Knees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good, I'm going to post it to /pol/ where we can fisk and make fun of it. Snowflakes melting is always a popular topic.

  76. The real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How frequently is a feminist raped in Twitter? I suspect it's as frequent as she calls it.

  77. Easy solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donâ(TM)t use Twitter

  78. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q. What does "abused" mean:
    A. disagreeing with her

    Q. Who's doing the actual abuse on Twitter:
    A. women

    Q. Who gets more actual abuse, men or women?
    A. Men

    Q. Who complains about it to get sympathy?
    A. Women

    Q. Who do the media care about?
    A. Women

    Q. Who likes reading scare stories about terrible men?
    A. Women

    Q. Who do the media not give a fly shit about - other than a convenient object of hate?
    A. Men

    Lesson for all you simpering male feminists. Twitter is practically made for women to vent their worst impulses. Anonymous. Switch accounts. No repercussions.

    The biggest gold standard studies show it clearly.

  79. How is a retarded tweet abuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is someone talking jackshit on twitter (may it be about a man or woman) abuse? Unless you are overly sensitive or self conscious, just simply ignore the a-hole and problem solved, nothing to worry about.

  80. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

    They explain their methodology and there is actually a textbox you can put your own test tweets into and it will give you an analysis and "problematic" score. It's right near the bottom of the page.

    As for a the GP's question, they are not comparing to anything external. The study isn't making the claim that it's worse for women, merely that women get a now quantified amount of abuse and that it affects certain sub-groups more than others (women of colour, women with left leaning views/politics).

    As a general point if men were getting as much or even more abuse, it wouldn't make any difference. Also studying how it affects women is helpful for men being abused too, as often the solutions are similar for both.

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  81. And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men are abused 30 times per second on Twitter.

  82. Most deserving of trolling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Were journalists of both sexes abused more?
    Were politicians of both sexes abused more?
    More than what other group?
    Which group deserved trolling more compared to what other group?
    How was trolling defined? Was any criticism & all criticism of subversives considered as trolling?
    Was a snowflake free control group used?
    Was this study funded by California?

  83. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Who remembers the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"?

    Invalidated once we realized emotional pain was real and accepted the impact of the trauma of bullying, harassment, and psychological torture.

    Sorry, but words are power, and the pen is mightier than the sword. I can hurt millions with my words, but my hand would tire before I struck 100 people with a stick.

  84. Re:A Nerd on Slashdot is by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More importantly, how many of those abusive posts were written by women?

    (and how many abusive posts did men receive?)

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  85. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are all you people so fucking fragile about literally everything?

    "Did they compare to abuse to men?" Why does that matter? If men are abused online every 30 seconds that doesn't make this normal. Stop trying to normalize shitty behavior.

    Literally every time someone says "something bad happened to a woman" you idiots come out in droves, screaming "what about me, the mildly uncomfortable white man? Why isn't anyone looking at me?"

    Not everything has to be about you, you bunch of fragile ego ninnies

  86. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, white men don't get the same levels of abuse. Donald Trump gets lots of negative comments. He gets a fair about of abuse.

    But he doesn't get "shut up you cracker penis, why don't you just use that mouth for the only thing it's good for, sucking a clit. You can't possibly run the country because men are so weak and useless"

    Literally no men get that comment. But every woman has been told that multiple times by the time she's 20.

    Get the difference yet?

  87. Offended == Abuse == Rape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I been raped by the internet.

  88. That's what you get ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ... for using your real name on a generally anonymous internet.

    Besides: I know of no one who know the basics about computers and the internet that uses Twitter for anything other than the occasional tip on some programmer meeting or a technical subject or problem they are currently working on. Which is just about exactly what Twitter was built for. Use it for anything else and the average IQ in the Twitter pseudo conversation drops sharply. See POTUS Trump for a good example.

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  89. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    80% of males killed are men?

    Ignoring your terrible wording, so what?

    That has literally nothing to do with this. "You should be happy you aren't being killed" is probably not your intended message.

    We don't have to cure homelessness to help a poor family. We don't have to cure cancer before we give someone a pain killer.

    We don't have to solve all crime against men before we ask people to stop threatening to rape women over Twitter.

    You're advocating that nothing should ever get better, because something else is bad. Do you realise how insane that is?

  90. ORLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, what about men? Probably the number is WAY higher!

    Fucking times we live. Damn!

  91. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not even the biggest flaw with this bullshit study IMHO. They sampled two of the most, if not the most, controversial and public professions (i.e. politician and journalist) and extrapolated those to the rest of the population.

  92. A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor woman. Maybe she should consider using some other social media?

  93. People on the internet are mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When did this happen?

  94. Sad Truth: #Metoo parallel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't post this under my regular account because I'm a man.

    https://decoders.amnesty.org/projects/troll-patrol/findings#inf_12/problematic_sidebar

    "abusive" is lumped togehter here with "problematic". "problematic" is more subjective and lowers the bar to be included in this abused class. They give a good example in their sidebar. "Be a good girl, go wash the dishes", but it's not detailed, so yeah, maybe "you're wrong = abuse". It would be up to the volunteers.

    More than 6,500 digital volunteers from around the world then took part in Troll Patrol, analysing 288,000 unique tweets to create a labelled dataset of abusive or problematic content. The volunteers were shown an anonymized tweet mentioning one of the women in our study, then were asked simple questions about whether the tweets were abusive or problematic, and if so, whether they revealed misogynistic, homophobic or racist abuse, or other types of violence. Each tweet was analysed by multiple people. The volunteers were given a tutorial and definitions and examples of abusive and problematic content, as well as an online forum where they could discuss the tweets with each other and with Amnesty International’s researchers.

    The #metoo movement did the same thing. It applied "if you have been sexually harassed or assaulted", meaning that to be part of the movement, you needed to either be raped at gunpoint, or somebody made a pass at you which you didn't like. Being raped at gunpoint is more powerful and memorable, so women could step forward and say #METOO and be vague about what happened to them. The horrible part is that it minimized victims of violent sexual assault with a rush of women talking about how courageous they were to come forward about that time a man said something they didn't like.

    The issue of gendered violence was implied. The lesson of "fear men" was spread far and wide. But more insidiously, the message of "rape is normal" was shared loud and clear. Both to young women and to young men. Good job teaching the world that rape is normal.

  95. Ban All Women from twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then they won't treated like anything other than the precious delicate flowers that they are.

  96. You canâ(TM)t extrapolate that shit up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You canâ(TM)t generalise from politicians and journos to the entire female population. That just silly and meaningless.

    Second, you need to know the amount of abuse men get to understand the relative size of the problem (hint: men get more overall according to all Pew research).

    Third: who is doing the insulting. Research on twitter showed âmisogynyâ(TM) came from men and women about 50-50. Wow! Who knew women could be such bitches to each other, sometimes.

    Ridiculous research. Meaningless and pointless.

  97. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

    It also very much depends on how you define attack. I would rather like to see the precise definition before rushing to any judgement.

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  98. Every 30 second.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A woman feels she is abused. Remember all women are victims.... If all women didn't want to be abused, they would get off twitter and twitter would go out of business.

    Women are on twitter to show how much of a victim they are.

  99. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh fuck off. Such a statistic is meaningless unless you define more strictly what it compares to, and what abuse means. The sheer number of humans means that there's going to be an awful lot of "something" happening every whatever the fuck.

  100. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Did they compare to abuse to men?" Why does that matter? If men are abused online every 30 seconds that doesn't make this normal.

    Well according to science(that thing they claim to use) that is precisely what it means..

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  101. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None are more hateful, cruel, and vile towards women than other women.

  102. Are insults "abuse" now? by sabbede · · Score: 3, Informative
    Let's get real here. Insulting someone is not the same as abusing them.

    Where exactly did this idea, that being offended by insulting language is abuse, come from? It's nonsense and we need to get away from it.

    1. Re:Are insults "abuse" now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comes from the idea that the mental effects from such negativity is as damaging as physical damage and leading to the same debilitating effects, such as PTSD, etc.

    2. Re:Are insults "abuse" now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to defend this particular study, or overly sensitive people, but the word abuse does have a more inclusive meaning than merely physical abuse. That is, there is such a thing as verbal abuse.

  103. Gotta Pump up those rookie numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean come on, surely that can get down to 20 seconds or even 15 seconds. Gotta roll some reduced cooldown recovery on gear...

  104. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that comment here 20 times a day aimed at Donald Trump. So your theory is flawed..

  105. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You used than correctly. That's a Stanley Nickle for you.

  106. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a general point if men were getting as much or even more abuse, it wouldn't make any difference. Also studying how it affects women is helpful for men being abused too, as often the solutions are similar for both.

    *That* is some tortured logic. As a general point if you have nothing else to compare it to a statistic is *unable* to provide a base line that has meaning. Studying how it affects women doesn't do anything towards showing how it affects men. Men and women are different and react differently. The only solutions to dealing with the impact of 'bad' tweets headed your way on Twitter is not to play the game - ignore, laugh at or don't post.

  107. Twit ter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tried Twitter for a month....and quit ! Home of fake twits about people I don't care about. Quit - Thats what smart women ought to do.

  108. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't fragility to ask for a more data. The study has one data type with nothing to compare and contrast with, that makes it meaningless.

  109. Um, what? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    It's Twitter. It's like email, but 10000 times dumber.

    That's like sitting there reading only your Spam folder and complaining about all the scams and porn.

  110. So? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Ever play Call of Duty on public servers with voice chat enabled?

    I get called a "motherfucking faggot" around once per second by random 12 year olds there, does that count as 'abuse'?

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  111. Matthew 11:8 by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This. Without any baseline to compare against the statistic quoted is meaningless.

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    1. Re:Matthew 11:8 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      This. Without any baseline to compare against the statistic quoted is meaningless.

      Probably is. Reading TFA, it appears that this is yet another attempt to label the female of the species as a protected class. This would extend to women permanent status of children, as a sort of permanent prey that is easily damaged.

      Whereas once upon a time, women were encouraged to be strong and independent, now for some reason there are people trying to make them permanent children.

      And we have to face it, a person who is incapable of fending off assholes on the internet is hardly the archetype of a strong independent person.

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    2. Re: Matthew 11:8 by dwater · · Score: 1

      It's meaningless anyway, since I'm sure there are many 30 second intervals that go by without any such occurrences...just plain wrong.

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    3. Re: Matthew 11:8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terribly sorry that data boiled down to a single metric is insufficient. You are free to go look at the raw data yourself. You're so smart I'm sure you'll absorb it in a matter of minutes.

    4. Re:Matthew 11:8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does that Bible verse have to do with anything?

      Anything real I mean.

    5. Re: Matthew 11:8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "another attempt to label the female of the species as a protected class"

      If that's true it means the troll patrol is actually anti feminist and women should be battling them? Awesome.

    6. Re:Matthew 11:8 by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Have you tried reading it, you fucking spastic?

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  112. Intriguing research findings. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shocking indeed.

    So about 30x less abuse than men?

  113. Trump is the true victim here by jbssm · · Score: 1

    According to the methodology used in this social "sciences" study, Trump is abused several times per second. Should we all start treating him like a poor helpless victim, just like the social "sciences" want us to treat all the other "under-privileged" groups?

  114. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    Oh, they compared it to the happy joy joy world where no one is ever insulted at all. That is their control group.

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  115. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    Who knows? This is the same kind of research that declared a quarter of all female college students are raped and came up with that by defining a random drunken hookup as rape.

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  116. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If men are abused every 20 seconds these "researchers" and political "activists" might've learned something. Also, substantiating what constitute "abuse" might've added some meaning into their results.

    Ofc troll group is right, cause feminism?

  117. this entire notion is disgusting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "problematic"

    Yeah that doesn't sound dystopian. This article itself is abusing men and is problematic.

    Everyone can see that it's specifically spun to infer that men are the problem, right?

  118. Steam, too. by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    I am sorry, but it's not so rosy on Steam for women, either.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  120. what is women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought gender was a social construct

    How am I supposed to know what women means? What about all the men identifying as women? Or vise versa?

    Or does women actually just mean the entire collection of humanity?

    2018 is difficult

  121. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Also studying how it affects women is helpful for men being abused too, as often the solutions are similar for both.

    Except that they aren't, not even remotely.

    E.g. there are no "men's shelters" where you can go live just by making a claim without evidence, get a free lawyer there, etc.

  122. Not surprising. They talk rot all the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever I see a particularly stupid comment, I respond first and then (sometimes) check to see who it is.

    It's almost always a woman. And not just any more. It'll be some idiot with purple hair, stupid-as-fuck glasses, tattoos and a fucking nose ring.

    Moving on to formerly respectable magazines like the Atlantic, read the article. Whenever it's something quite depraved or moronic, guess what, it's a woman.

    So, if you don't want to be mocked, don't write stupid shit.

  123. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and yet he's not crying about it like a baby

    Hahahahahahahahahaha ...

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh god. After a stressful xmas I needed a laugh like that.

    Thanks!

  124. Twitter, a -ism factory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter, a -ism factory.

  125. What is the acceptable abuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Statements like the one the one from the article, beg the question what is the acceptable rate of abuse for women? One might think the number is zero. But is it? The acceptable rate for auto crashes is 0 but that's completely unrealistic. It's likely that this is similar. You can't stop all abuse (which is exactly what this article will be used to push for) but you could look at reducing abuse. So this snapshot in time from the article is somewhat useless.

  126. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It also very much depends on how you define attack. I would rather like to see the precise definition before rushing to any judgement.

    I think you'll find that opinions run the gamut from actual abuse, to disagreement.

    These claims often trend to the silly. My wife is asked out all the time on line. In today's world, that is sexual harassment. She just giggles and tells the guy he's not man enough, but many women need intensive counselling for the grave damage done.

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  127. Re:A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    More importantly, how many of those abusive posts were written by women?

    (and how many abusive posts did men receive?)

    I've received lots of requests to kill myself, and other postings that qualify as abusive.

    This study is not about men. It is about women, who must be protected from things.

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  128. Title Misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The title of this article implies that the scale is much, much smaller than it is.

    The study only looked at 778 women and didn't make any attempt to extrapolate to the larger population. So, all million nasty tweets were aimed at one of them. The title implies that those million tweets apply to the broader population.

  129. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just in: There are trolls on the internet. More news at 11.

    But seriously, what does this 'troll patrol' hope to do? Require the government to form a three letter agency called the Department of Thought Police? Haters are going to hate. Trolls are going to troll. Such is life. Nobody is forcing anybody to use Twitter, and I personally can't think of any socioeconomic consequences of not using Twitter. I personally have a Twitter account for the sole purpose of taking advantage of some crap I occasionally find on Slickdeals, and I don't even use my real name on it, let alone give a shit about what anybody tweets to it.

    Besides, these guys seem to be feeding the trolls, if anything. As an occasional troll myself, when I'm trolling a trip of goats from under the bridge, nothing is more satisfying than them giving an emotional response. This troll patrol is giving an emotional response to the trolls on goat's behalf, even if the goat knows better.

  130. Please... by taylorius · · Score: 1

    Just 2 pounds a month, can help us stop this. Please...

  131. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except when the writer is re entry hired by the NYT who supported her sexist and racist comments against white men.

    Please do not let facts hit your ass on the way out.

  132. Simple solution by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    STOP using twitter.

  133. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by cdsparrow · · Score: 1

    Yeah overall studies like this perpetuate inequality. They say women can't possibly protect themselves so must be helped at all costs.

    So now we are teaching victim mentality and inequality. Seems like this is counter to the stated goals of femenism but maybe not counter to the actual goals?

    What ever happened to the ol sticks and stones can hurt but words never can? Anyone who cares enough about what some random jackass says on the internet deserves all the consternation they can think up.

  134. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robotweets would have to be removed and how were retweets dealt with? Also, what qualifies as abuse is quite objective, so Iâ(TM)d have to see their criteria. For example, hey btch, looking good! Is very different from, you are such a btch.

    Iâ(TM)m suspecting that the abuse, as defined by them, is probably clustered around, not women in general, but key women celebrities, women in government, etc. There may be other clusters. Thatâ(TM)s why the median, mean and standard deviation are needed and a further breakdown into subgroups.

    Men make $x / minute! Sort of meaningless too. Among how many men? Whatâ(TM)s the median and mean, at the very least? Most of the money is probably clustered within a small percentage, probably in some polynomial-looking graph. Same thing here. Too little data for this to have meaning.

  135. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    "Did they compare to abuse to men?" Why does that matter? If men are abused online every 30 seconds that doesn't make this normal.

    Actually, that would quite literally be the definition of "normal". And that is why that matters.

    If I scream "GRAVEYARDS ARE FULL OF THE BODIES OF DEAD PEOPLE!!", you're not likely to get very ruffled, now are you. Of course not, that is normal. And it isn't exactly newsworthy. In fact, it might be newsworthy if someone of note tried to make hay over the fact.

    Well, this "study" is trying to make out like women being "abused" online is abnormal, but what the gp is pointing out is that "people are being abused online". So women (being actual people) being abused online is normal and not newsworthy. The fact that a "study" is being published to point out the obvious is what is newsworthy.

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  136. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd imagine it's just as valid as that video that woman made of herself walking down the street being "harassed" repeatedly when 9/10ths of what she considered "harassment" was dudes saying "good morning" or "hello" to her. Essentially, if a male initiates contact/conversation with a female, it's abuse/harassment. Period. There can be no contact between the sexes without a female being abused. End. Of. Line.

  137. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abuse ? Some lispy bitch has her nipples pinched and azz slapped. How fun hehehehe ...

  138. get off twatter. problem solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone using that shit deserves abuse

  139. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    There are so many misleading statistics out there and this is just another one. Their data set is very small 288,000 tweets to 778 accounts which is around 370 per account. They chose the accounts they where going to analyze by choosing ones more likely to be high profile and controversial, politics and journalism.

     

  140. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Cederic · · Score: 1

    You appear to have missed the multitude of accusations aimed at Donald Trump that included the term 'cock holster', let alone the constant barrage of abuse regarding how he's running the country.

    Seems to me to be pretty much the same thing.

    I do get the difference: When he complains about it people bitch about him complaining instead of giving him support.

  141. What the hell is she posting?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject.

  142. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    Emotional pain is self inflicted, for it to have any effect you have to actually care about whoever's saying stuff about you...
    People online can say anything they like about me, i don't care and it's not going to cause me any pain. If close friends or family said something it might hurt. You certainly won't be able to hurt me with your words, but you're more than welcome to try.

    If care that much what random anonymous commenters on the internet say about you then you should seek some help from a psychiatrist.

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  143. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    No, white men get *different* insults flung at them because many insults only make sense when targeted at a certain audience.

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  144. Re:A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter since it's men that make us be mean to other women. They are the cause of this.

    Also, black women are the most hateful segment of society so of course they'll get more abuse back because of their constant abuse. My mother was half black so she beat me constantly.

  145. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiot. Your words hurt no one. Does my calling you an idiot hurt? No. Because I am some anonymous random on the internet just like you.

    Stop the bullshit virtue signaling. No one outside your dumb little echo chamber cares.

  146. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they tell us who she is maybe we can do something about it.

  147. Which account? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds

    Who is this woman, and how can we help her?

  148. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    E.g. there are no "men's shelters" where you can go live just by making a claim without evidence, get a free lawyer there, etc.

    If you bothered to simply google "men's shelter" you would find hundreds of results contradicting that claim.

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  149. Words wound women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For women, being verbally ostracized is clearly the equivalent to being punched in the face as a guy.

    Yet, I'm always left asking... where do we draw the line? Are they strong independent women that can stick up for themselves, or do we continue to coddle and protect them from the mean mean bad bad not good words of the world?

    I'd like to think women can handle themselves, however, studies like this show that we've a long way to go (and while we're at it, need to learn a thing or two about control groups).

  150. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do that to a muslim and they may throw acid in your face

  151. How often are men attacked on twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for comparison.

  152. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you are more worried about hiding facts for and about men, concerned that it might pull the cloth from a false victimhood narrative you're trying to construct.

    My desire for more data, particularly in how it relates to me, is not a sign of fragility. Your reflexive need to suppress knowledge dangerous to your worldview is, however.

  153. this masks real abuse by Micah+NC · · Score: 1

    Disagreement is not abuse. Failing to validate someone is not abuse.

    I really believe articles like this are going to set women back because people are going to think abuse against women is just a lot of exaggeration and whining.

    You can't address the real problem until you can be confident you are dealing with real instances.

    I say this as a man with a wife, two daughters, a mom, and two living grandmas.

  154. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a general point if men were getting as much or even more abuse, it wouldn't make any difference.

    So, you're saying it's unimportant to know that men may be abuse 10x as much? It would seem obvious that if men are being abused massively more than women, then there should be more resources focused on helping them than women. That alone is "as a general point" reason to understand the prevalence of abuse in general and where it's targeted. To state otherwise is absurdly sexist.

  155. "Problematic" by QuadEddie · · Score: 1

    'Problematic' is code for speech that the left would like to silence. This could be fucking anything, so including it to make your shocking headline means that the real problem is severely overstated.

  156. Sad to see the comment count on this article by rbrander · · Score: 1

    versus the comment-count on more articles nearby that arguably fit the "news for nerds" description much better. It used to be rare to see a /. post so failed that the comment-count was two digits. Now it's common. 47 comments on "most powerful GPS", 26 on "200 million smartphones". I don't think the current /. crowd cares much about those kind of stories any more.

    But here we are with 300+ on a sociological/political topic. The vast majority of them negative. More of a pile-on than a discussion worth reading, I got bored quickly. (Though the story of the guy who had to pretend to be "Alice" was great. I notice none of the pile-on gang replied to *that* post with some claim it was a flawed study that proved nothing. Switching claimed gender and getting an utterly different experience immediately, strikes me as a very clear scientific study, particularly as it is repeated with every class by the professor, semester after semester, and the outcome is, classic science here, reliably replicable)

    The stated numbers suggest 4 ugly notes per day, per person - enough to make me drop my landline if they were phoned to me. Speaking of women just walking away from a medium, as I read through this topic, I couldn't find a post that was clearly from a woman. Maybe there were lots of posts by women slashdotters who happened not to mention it, but I frankly doubt it. I think there are barely any women at all reading this or commenting on it, and any that are, are reticent to mention their gender. How much time am I going to want to spend on a forum like that? It has more limited participation than friendlier ones, fewer points of view.

    For anybody who wants another point of view, my big Xmas present this year was running into the excellent and funny prose of journalist Laurie Penny, who wrote a "long read" on her decade of experience with social media and being a huge magnet for online abuse:
    https://longreads.com/2018/03/...

    Slashdot is just becoming a poor place to read any discussions of technology news, and a great place to read a pile-on about politics, but not about real politics like tax rates or industrial regulation or public programs; just the endless, tedious "my group is hard done by" bickering of politics-as-two-sports-teams. Got bored with that on USENET in the 1990s.

    I now spend fewer minutes per week on slashdot than I used to spend per day. It's a shame.

  157. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    People like you are the reason we have so many snowflakes. If someone can't call you a name w/o you shrugging it off, then you have a problem. It's not the worlds issue to make your little corner of the planet a safe space. If you didn't get called names as a kid, you lived a sheltered life. When people cross the line to physical abuse, I'm there for you. But having been a victim of both as a kid, the verbal never even came close to the physical.

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  158. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So your wife is an abusive cunt. Good to know. The proper response is no,or possibly I'm seeing somebody.

    Questioning their manhood is the behavior of a cunt. Men deal with a ton of rejection in the pursuit of a date, bitches like yours just make it suck for everybody else.

    Men have feelings too, perhaps rather than whining about the men they could start treating us like people?

  159. A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does she still stay on twitter ?

  160. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not man enough.

  161. A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes but a WOMAN using her tweet-tweet intertext message thing is being ABUSED. Like being physically TORTURED. It's not like she could just "do something else". She NEEDS to be using tweeter. She NEEEDS to use this essential chit-chat commodity or she will die.

    Poor thing. She has no choice except to be tortured, because needs to have and use this critical life-sustaining application.

  162. 'A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds'? by TurgidFinger · · Score: 1

    Well then, I'd say THAT woman needs to close her account. Ba-Boom! Thank you! I'll be here all week, avoid the veal!

  163. You mean NIGGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If NlGGERS can profit by using NlGGER then its only fair that anyone else can profit from using NlGGER.

    Unless NlGGERS oppose equality and support NlGGER segregation.

  164. Log OFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Log off of Twitter you twits... Simple as that.

  165. Way to go AmiJoJo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a post that points out several glaring problems with the study's methodology and respond with "One of those glaring problems may not be as bad as you think. Checkmate misogynist."

    Could you please respond to the other glaring problems listing in the post?

    "Their explanations of the categories do not seem very precise."
    Maybe you could quote the precise definition of 'problematic' they used in the study. 'Problematic' is a social justice weasel word that seems to mean whatever the author wants it to mean.

    Of course, this brings up another glaring problem with the "study;" the combining of categories ("abusive OR problematic") is another red flag as it is generally used to pad statistics. If you found out that only 1 in 100 tweets were actually abusive and the other 99 in 100 were "problematic" how would that change your opinion of the study?

    "a full 55% of the tweets they flag as "abusive content" fall under the category of "other"
    The algorithm is so good that over half of the abusive content can't even be categorized (see "problematic" comment above). This again seems like padding statistics when your categories are so nebulous that more than half have to be classified at "other."

    They singled out famous women and women in politics
    Doubly disturbing -- no men in the study and a very select group of women in the study.

    Both of these are again red flags that indicate what is commonly known as advocacy research -- research with a bias that starts with a conclusion and tries to find evidence to support it rather than gleaning conclusions from gathered evidence; usually with the goal of creating group-specific solutions (think Violence Against WOMEN Act).

    By not including men in the study, you are trying to imply that men don't get abusive or problematic tweets in any significant number, abusive or problematic tweets to men don't matter, or that the statistics would show the bias in the research.

    By only including a very specific group of women in the research, you are again trying to pad your statistics as most people are aware that celebrities and politicians tend to get more tweets in general (and more abusive or problematic tweets in particular) than your run-of-the-mill person. You can't really generalize from celebrities and politicians to the general public.

    After all, the headline is "A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds," not "A Woman who is a Celebrity or a Politician Receives an Abusive or Problematic Tweet (as we define them) Every 30 Seconds." Nuance is for misogynists.

    And you've bought into it hook, line, and sinker. Even in your own response we see: "The study is more focused on the nature of the abuse." Even you have stripped out the 'problematic' aspect of the study; now it's all just 'abuse.'

    So please RTFA and explain why each of these red flags aren't really red flags. And as always, please be respectful in your response as my algorithm found your first response "abusive or problematic."

  166. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It means someone disagreed with them online.

    Remember, Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn went to the United Nations and talked about how the united nations needs to force countries to take action against "online trolls" who are "harassing" them by "disagreeing with them" online.

    I wish that weren't the case. I'd sympathize with legitimate grievances, but when you literally attack and deplatform and lie about people online and then turn around and say "harassment is women someone disagrees with you" (a thing literally said in their talk at the UN), then fuck you.

  167. Re:A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nerd" is problematic for me as it reminds me of childhood bullying
    stop abusing me

  168. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by ewibble · · Score: 1
    No of course not nothing about the size of his hands, relate to the size of his penis. The reason it was picked up, is because it seemed to bother him so the media (not some random jerk on the internet) went with it.

    The people write these type of studies are the ones trying to use the fact that women are weak. Boo hoo women are getting insulted how shocking. Women are not weak, in my experience much more emotionally strong (and nasty) than men, but acting the victim gets them what they want. Women don't buy the sob stories from women as much as men. It has been men's role in society to be the protectors, if you truly want equality protect your own self, and stop whining about it.

  169. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When it comes to SJWs, merely existing is considered offensive.

    They're a lot like religious nutjobs in that regard.

  170. Glutton by MattBear · · Score: 1

    She must be a glutton for punishment, time to delete her account maybe?

  171. Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it qualify saying you all live in your mom's basement as abuse? Are you a guy, girl, mangina or trans?

  172. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Do that to a muslim and they may throw acid in your face

    Frightened aren't you? Danger around every corner - the Universe wants to hurt you, and you are plum terrified. Now get back to your HEPA filtered safe room, the very air is poisonous - I saw that in an onlinee forum.

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  173. Twitter - a toxic place for women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Twitter - a toxic place. FTFY

  174. umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how about get off social media then? boo hoo, it is your choice to be on twitter lol

  175. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    So your wife is an abusive cunt. Good to know. The proper response is no,or possibly I'm seeing somebody.

    Oh, so precious, so tender, so fragile we are. So easy to hurt and give big booboos to.

    Asking a woman that they know is married is hardly the actions of an honorable man. Pulling that stunt, they should be happy that they were only told they weren't man enough.

    Don't cry now.

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  176. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But seriously, what does this 'troll patrol' hope to do? Require the government to form a three letter agency called the Department of Thought Police?"

    Yes actually that is it. Terrorists are groups formed by their governmemt to bully the population into accepting bad laws. At least that was the origin of terrorism, in dumbed down new world terrorism is anything that was scary.

  177. Re:What does problematic mean? OTOH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you need to first study "everything" in order to figure out how to partition said "everything" into studyable subsets. Also would it not be appropriate to state how the partitioning was designed and the possible investigator biases inherent to that process?

    Social ....scientists...* might consider that in the hard sciences it is well established that the observation of a phenomenon changes it. In physics the effect is often so subtle that it can be disregarded. It seems that the equivalent effect is rarely minor in social fields. Positive feedback and self-reinforcement seem to be the default case.

    To this layman, social ...science...* almost ***always*** seems to have an agenda, almost always attempting to justify why $GROUP should control $BEHAVIOR or $RESOURCES of $OTHER_GROUP.

    As I wrote, I am a layman*; I may well be wrong. If so, i invite counter-examples.

    * Yes, this usage IS rather arrogant on my part; it is intended as a concise example of the phenomenon I discuss.

    **Which today is apparently regarded as a member of a subset of "layperson"... but I don't choose to go any farther in that direction at this time.

  178. And how many... by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 1

    ...of the abusers are women? Whether abusing other women, or abusing men? Or, does this study consider all women to be delicate flowers who would never hurt a fly without provocation?

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  179. or "problmatic" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This study is complete trash. AI didn't find enough abusive tweets, so we need problematic tweets. Of course no comparison was done to how many males are abused, because that wouldn't look so good for the study when males get abused (or problmatic'd) a lot more online.

  180. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Naaa, men cannot be abused and cannot be victims. That is a privilege of women.

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  181. Hm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of those stories that if I had come across it on Facebook, would be getting a big fat heart react

  182. And yet it must be worth it... by edris90 · · Score: 1

    Twitter there's not necessary two living in a reasonably decent life. If you don't like the way people treat you don't hang out where those people are. It's not like anybody actually needs Twitter but it sometimes people find it worth putting up with. If you don't like it don't use it.

  183. Oh look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An entirely predictable study, conclusion and coverage.

    It's like someone is trying to push an agenda or something...

    Never mind that the entire top end across the entire planet is corrupt and has been misappropriating social issues as distractions from said corruption.

    Nah, never mind that, let's just pretend that this shitty attempt to add fuel to the fire is entirely genuine and well intentioned.

  184. Not convinced by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    It's a game that has the newspapers reporting on the 'offence' taken, encouraging the attention seeking to shout their outrage, and with journalists harassing the original commentator whose remarks caused the twitter storm. Everyone is happy - except those attempting to have a sensible conversation. Given that I doubt it will stop soon...

  185. Amnesty should do better by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    When it indulges in this sort of bad science, it brings their reputation for reliable reporting in their main area of activity into question. Sad; they used to do a good job.

  186. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone is very insecure.

  187. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that women are generally the ones that initiate divorce and that you don't really know if people are married online, she's a cunt that's rationalizing her own bad before based on her projection of what they're thinking.

    Also the confusion between what people do and what they're is incredibly immature. Guys are going to ask random women out because there isn't really any alternative other than celibacy or going gay.

    Your wife is acting like a bitch responding like that. Simply saying no is hardly a huge imposition.

  188. And.... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    And how often are men abused on Twitter?

    I'd guess at least as often, if not more. It's a different kind of harassment (generally non-sexual) but if you think men get a happy-happy-joy-joy experience on Twitter then you're either woefully misinformed or the proud owner of a serious head injury.

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  189. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 0

    Frightened aren't you? Danger around every corner - the Universe wants to hurt you, and you are plum terrified.

    This is the mindset that FOX News and others loooooove to perpetuate to their right-wing/conservative audience- that the world is a dangerous place and everyone is out to get you.

    Conservative mindsets eat that shit up, which is why numpties like Hannity and Limbaugh and Jeanine Pirro continue to exist.

    "Oh no, brown people! Migrants! Homeless people! Gays! Liberals! Atheists! THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU!!!!"

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  190. Fuck women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those oversensitive bitches.

  191. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No need for all that anger bro. They can't throw acid in the face online... So when you do it to them in person, 1) wear a burka for protection, and 2) have a father or brother or male cousin with you to beat their ass after they fail.

  192. How many sent to male politicians and journalists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep in mind our president probably got more than all of those woman combined.

  193. Men are abused more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men are more abused on the internet and significantly more likely to be physically assaulted in real life.

  194. So what? by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    Wahhhhmen.....

  195. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll add to your comment.... it was a national TV host who made the "cock holster" comment on his national TV show, not some yahoo on the internet. And loads of people jumped to his defense, rather than criticizing him for being offensive or abusive. Famous people. People who are on national news shows, not just random internet yahoos. So don't pretend for a second that Trump gets a pass because of gender.. that's just plain stupid.

    Meanwhile, in direct response to the AC you reply to, no national personality is calling a female politician a c*** who needs to stick to using her mouth for sucking d***. More to the point, no national personalities were attacking Hillary Clinton for being a weak female, despite the claims of the AC. They attacked her directly on policy and on her personal character - as is traditional when running political campaigns. (don't even pretend that your preferred party wouldn't cast Jesus himself as Satan personified if he was running on the opposing ticket.... that's how politics is done.)

  196. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Considering that women are generally the ones that initiate divorce and that you don't really know if people are married online, she's a cunt that's rationalizing her own bad before based on her projection of what they're thinking.

    Also the confusion between what people do and what they're is incredibly immature. Guys are going to ask random women out because there isn't really any alternative other than celibacy or going gay.

    Your wife is acting like a bitch responding like that. Simply saying no is hardly a huge imposition.

    They know she is married - it's right in her bio.

    And seriously, you are utilizing the actions of a cunt by telling me all about what she "is", without knowing the situation. Don't be a cunt.

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  197. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Bert64's comment was too difficult for you to follow, you can just go with the ELI5 version, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

    That used to be a common phrase that every school child learned. Now they learn that they should report any offensive comment to the central committee.

  198. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

    Frightened aren't you? Danger around every corner - the Universe wants to hurt you, and you are plum terrified.

    This is the mindset that FOX News and others loooooove to perpetuate to their right-wing/conservative audience- that the world is a dangerous place and everyone is out to get you.

    Conservative mindsets eat that shit up, which is why numpties like Hannity and Limbaugh and Jeanine Pirro continue to exist.

    Ugh. I suppose the best thing about them is that they corral the mentally ill in one place.

    "Oh no, brown people! Migrants! Homeless people! Gays! Liberals! Atheists! THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU!!!!"

    Gonna take our jerbs!! I vacillate between disdain, ridicule, and feeling sorry for these tools.

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  199. Twitter is a toxic place full stop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a toxic place for everyone. How is that news?

  200. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they think that women with left-leaning politics get more abuse than women with right-leaning politics, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this reveals more about their own political leanings in their classification of what counts as abuse than it does about the online culture. There is no way in hell that a leftie female gets more abuse online than a right-wing female. In fact, I'd say a right-wing female is probably about as big a target online as you could get - only topped by a black right wing female.

    But then again, their sample was pulled from a very left-leaning group. I'd be shocked if their sample was more than 20% right/center-right.

  201. Poor lady by dromgodis · · Score: 1

    A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds

    Poor her! I know that it is not the victim who should make a change, but perhaps she should consider hanging out on another social media platform instead?

  202. That'S a very low rate. by stooo · · Score: 1

    >> A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds
    That'S a very low rate, considering hte number of tweets published every second (6000)

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  203. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Keep your internet out of the kitchen!

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  204. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you pretend that rapes aren't up by 550% in five years in Sweden and acid attacks aren't up by 390% in five years in London.

    Nope. Just fear mongering. No sudden rise in Islam to see here. Carry on. Refugees welcome!

  205. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    White Knight defending a filthy whore online. Typical.

    73% of black men have herpes. Get yourself tested.

  206. Back in my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in my day there was a saying, 'on the internet, no one knows you're a dog'. Everything was pseudonymous and no one knew your appearance, age, gender, sexual preferences, nationality, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation, shoe size, etc. The only way to judge someone was on the content of their posts. These days people are using real names & pictures by default, and including all of the aforementioned details as if they are preparing a D&D character sheet, and they wave that stuff around like it's a personalized flag. I'm not surprised social media is a cancerous cesspool, the level of information people put out there is too much material for bad actors to work with.

  207. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife is asked out all the time on line. In today's world, that is sexual harassment. She just giggles and tells the guy he's not man enough

    What a cunt. She could have just said she's married, rather than cutting a guy's balls off every time one shows interest. She better not say this to peoples' faces, she could come home with a black eye and a bloody nose for that kind of talk.

  208. bad extrapolation, fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't project the expected hate mail towards public figures like that. For shame that this is on /. but what can you expect these days.

  209. I wonder by newsyBee · · Score: 1

    Would this study still be so thoroughly criticized here if the subject wasn't women?

  210. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    My wife is asked out all the time on line. In today's world, that is sexual harassment. She just giggles and tells the guy he's not man enough

    What a cunt. She could have just said she's married, rather than cutting a guy's balls off every time one shows interest. She better not say this to peoples' faces, she could come home with a black eye and a bloody nose for that kind of talk.

    Oh, little snowflake, it is apparently easy to give you booboo feelings. Perhaps you are not man enough to take any negativity? I told my wife, and she said she was so sorry that she gave you hurts.

    A few words completely emasculate you. Sad. Now give mommy and daddy's laptop back to them, and come back when you are out of middle school, and off of Ritalin.

    Bring up your trolling game, because you are getting boring by just repeating yourself.

    Peace out.

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  211. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What constitutes an "attack" though. These days correctiong a woman when she makes a wrong or false statement is an "attack". If you're wrong you're wrong, even when you have a vagina.

  212. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They know she is married - it's right in her bio.

    And seriously, you are utilizing the actions of a cunt by telling me all about what she "is", without knowing the situation. Don't be a cunt.

    Honestly, my bio said I was a widower. I'm not (just so you know). Not everything you see online is real and a fair amount of women will just put "married" in their bio, just to fend of the majority of "proposals".

    That said, the other guy's reactions to what she said are rather harsh. You could also just have a come-back to that line and not be the fragile cunt. Bet she could take what she dishes out ;-) (and no that is not double entendre :p )

  213. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitting on someone is NOT sexual harassment, and if they are polite about it, insults are uncalled for.

    I think your wife has self-esteem issues and that's why she needs to put someone down to feel better about herself.

  214. That poor woman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reading the headline, makes you think that there's a very popular woman on twitter and she's being abused on twitter.. ( seriously, how can you abuse someone on twitter... otherwise it should be called bullied or trolled or something... )
    While i certainly don't condone / allow abusive lanagage /bullying or other shit , we're living in an over sensibilized 'if you're not politically correct you suck and therfore should die (how ironic)' world..
    Stop taking all this shit so very serious and fuck it for example if someone calls you madame while you're a miss or even another gender or whatever.. get over yourselves and chill the fuck out.. (and if someone is trolling, retweet that shit with a comment so people troll the trolls.. )