But the code doesn't have to be distributed publically under the GPL. It only has to be distributed to those to whom the product was distributed.
What are these "facts" you speak of? Don't cloud the issue with the idea that people should ACTUALLY read the GPL, and maybe make an attempt to ACTUALLY understand it. Who are you?
they've gotten some injuctions, iirc(seems slashdottted can't confirm).
IANAL, but how can you get an injunction when you have no standing? They are NOT the GPL copyright holder for these things, unless the are legitimately acting as the copyright holder's agent, than they are full of shit and using scare tactics. No better than the BSA.
That gives me an idea...what if a bunch of GPL authors got together and formed a non-profit whose sole purpose was to become a member of the BSA? If armed federal marshalls busting down your door won't make you comply with the GPL, then nothing will!
This is the most sensible thing I've seen written on this subject thus far. It's a good point: WHY does FOSS not have representation in the BSA?
This is good. I wrote in a previous comment that I thought the GPL had no teeth, if the FSF where the only people looking into GPL violations, because they don't really do a Hell of a lot about violators (sorry, it's a fact), and most FOSS developers don't have the resources to seek a legal solution against violators. None other than Bruce Perens took me to task for this opinion, but I still stand by it: The GPL might as well be a blank sheet of paper for most FOSS developers, what do they intend on doing when some Taiwanese hardware manufacturer embeds their code? Spit a lot? It takes a lot of money, money that few of us have.
It took a great deal of time, a lot of late nights with the books. While I was studying to be an asshole, all my friends where out partying. But my efforts paid off, they all graduated with C's and B's, but I was on the Dean's List. Can I say I regret it? Not at all. It got me to where I am. I spend a month of every year in the Bahamas or Asia fucking beautiful women who would never touch me in real life, and when I fly home First Class, and am done with my stewardess, I have my art. I will grow old smoking Cubans and drinking fine brandy, as the Ones and Zeros float through my head and compact into the next million dollar idea. And you? How are YOU?
No, it's embraced by people who don't want to spend $5-$20 to subscribe to a web site, just to read one or two articles occasionally.
Buy the hard copy, than. What's the issue? I don't tell Sara Lee to change their entire production line just because I think they should put less of ingredient X in their product, I buy it or I don't.
Is this story anything more than a trial balloon to see how the Web community might react to a pay-for-use system?
You over estamate your importence.
The NYT is a "world class" news source, it is not on the same level as the Tacoma Tribune. If you want to read it on-line (and many, many, many will), soon you will pay for it, just like any other service . God, I hate free-loaders, they tend to be a drain on society, thinking that they should get everything for free just because they exist.
The whole idea of "micropayments" was only ever "embraced" by people who will spend an hour to save 50 cents. For most people, if they where so inclined to pay for content, a debit card works just fine (surprisingly, 99.9% of people have one of these). For those that do not have a debit card, there is always the public library (not just for bums to sleep in, you know).
However, I think there is only a small segment of the population that will opt for paying to read news / content on line (non-porn content...) over the convenience of buying the so-called "dead tree" version, even if it ends up costing more in the end. And, a lot of it has to do with the same reasons that on-line documentation sucks (I always print it out in the end, and I'm certainly not the only one...).
What makes you think Verizon is building an "open" network? They have made business deals with a few other ISPs, and mabe more in the future. It's a business deal with the purpose of generating income for Verizon, and it is at Verizon's whim (as it should be) as to who they make these business deals with.
Once again, what will it take for Slashdot to implement a mirror system?
It will take The Powers That Be at Slashdot to get off their high horses and give a shit. Not going to happen.
You see, Slashdot is at the top of the slippery slope that FuckedCompany slid down, and the honchos at Slashdot are now in the process of cleaning up financially before Slashdot implodes. Sad, but true.
Do you seriously think this is what's going on? Do you have any evidence to share that points to this? I admit, I would want to know that it's not just a vanity upgrade, but these people do not have a history of dishonesty...
Also, wouldn't this be a great project for a hardware manufacturer to donate (and get a tax write-off at the same time...)?
How are they going to shut down something that has no central server...and is open source?
What does "open source" have to do with it? Absolutely nothing. The words "open source" do not have some magical power that renders corporate lawyers impotent.
What they will do is send out a few thousand subpoenas and sue the shit out of both users and torrent link sites. That is what they will do. Scare tactics can be very effective, this approach has been shown to work very well in the past.
Slashdot Mirror
What are these "facts" you speak of? Don't cloud the issue with the idea that people should ACTUALLY read the GPL, and maybe make an attempt to ACTUALLY understand it. Who are you?
Exactly. No one has the right to represent my interests without my consent.
The BSA hounds whoever it's masters tell it to hound.
Chance of happening: 0.000009%
IANAL, but how can you get an injunction when you have no standing? They are NOT the GPL copyright holder for these things, unless the are legitimately acting as the copyright holder's agent, than they are full of shit and using scare tactics. No better than the BSA.
This is the most sensible thing I've seen written on this subject thus far. It's a good point: WHY does FOSS not have representation in the BSA?
1.) You look at the code, and gee, it looks the same. 2.) See above. 3.) No one because most FOSS developers are dirt poor. 4.) No.
This is good. I wrote in a previous comment that I thought the GPL had no teeth, if the FSF where the only people looking into GPL violations, because they don't really do a Hell of a lot about violators (sorry, it's a fact), and most FOSS developers don't have the resources to seek a legal solution against violators. None other than Bruce Perens took me to task for this opinion, but I still stand by it: The GPL might as well be a blank sheet of paper for most FOSS developers, what do they intend on doing when some Taiwanese hardware manufacturer embeds their code? Spit a lot? It takes a lot of money, money that few of us have.
Only a week since CherryOS surfaced? Where have you been? That's just non-sense. Do a search here at Slash.
Thanks for you interst. I am a god person. I am not a bad person. I consider you coments valuble.
I am opinionated. But I'm not an asshole.
I believe in my opinions, I think thay are corrct ideas. But that's just me.
I'm an Italian / Jewish opinionated asshole. That's me.
It took a great deal of time, a lot of late nights with the books. While I was studying to be an asshole, all my friends where out partying. But my efforts paid off, they all graduated with C's and B's, but I was on the Dean's List. Can I say I regret it? Not at all. It got me to where I am. I spend a month of every year in the Bahamas or Asia fucking beautiful women who would never touch me in real life, and when I fly home First Class, and am done with my stewardess, I have my art. I will grow old smoking Cubans and drinking fine brandy, as the Ones and Zeros float through my head and compact into the next million dollar idea. And you? How are YOU?
Yes, I would like fries with that. Thanks.
And you expect it for free. Why is that?
Buy the hard copy, than. What's the issue? I don't tell Sara Lee to change their entire production line just because I think they should put less of ingredient X in their product, I buy it or I don't.
You over estamate your importence.
The NYT is a "world class" news source, it is not on the same level as the Tacoma Tribune. If you want to read it on-line (and many, many, many will), soon you will pay for it, just like any other service . God, I hate free-loaders, they tend to be a drain on society, thinking that they should get everything for free just because they exist.
However, I think there is only a small segment of the population that will opt for paying to read news / content on line (non-porn content...) over the convenience of buying the so-called "dead tree" version, even if it ends up costing more in the end. And, a lot of it has to do with the same reasons that on-line documentation sucks (I always print it out in the end, and I'm certainly not the only one...).
What makes you think Verizon is building an "open" network? They have made business deals with a few other ISPs, and mabe more in the future. It's a business deal with the purpose of generating income for Verizon, and it is at Verizon's whim (as it should be) as to who they make these business deals with.
It is not an open network>
It will take The Powers That Be at Slashdot to get off their high horses and give a shit. Not going to happen.
You see, Slashdot is at the top of the slippery slope that FuckedCompany slid down, and the honchos at Slashdot are now in the process of cleaning up financially before Slashdot implodes. Sad, but true.
Here's the scoop...
The "write-up" spacifically mentions Paris Hilton, so the parent post is "on topic".
Also, wouldn't this be a great project for a hardware manufacturer to donate (and get a tax write-off at the same time...)?
What does "open source" have to do with it? Absolutely nothing. The words "open source" do not have some magical power that renders corporate lawyers impotent.
What they will do is send out a few thousand subpoenas and sue the shit out of both users and torrent link sites. That is what they will do. Scare tactics can be very effective, this approach has been shown to work very well in the past.
Isn't that what people said about all the other p2p pirating scams? Of course they are all toast.
As far as I know, nothing is happening to the CherryOS people about this, so that's not really true, is it.
Mr. Perens, on this point, you are wrong.