Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to say there's always a way, just that for most common-or-garden websites, it's not as hard as often suggested.
IE standards support blows hard, there's no doubt about that. But if you (can) avoid esoteric stuff you can usually coax it into rendering a fairly close approximation of what a real browser renders.
It's actually not as hard as many people make out to make a standards-compliant site that renders correctly in IE.
First: this is assuming "correctly" is not defined as "pixel perfect", which was not and is not the point of the web. I concede that in many real world situations, the client expects a pixel perfect recreation of a PSD they give you, in which case you may run into problems. Things like the 3 pixel jog will screw you over. But if by correctly you just mean "looks exactly the same so long as you don't literally measure pixels", it rapidly gets easier.
Broken box model? No problem. Just don't use padding, and use an extra internal div with margin instead. Yeah, the hardcore purists say will say "but that extra div isn't semantic". But... let's face it... your first div probably wasn't semantic, was it? Furthermore, what's better - one extra div, or an enormous maze of tables (the old school approach), or standards-busting deliberate CSS hackery (seemingly the preferred method of standards junkies, which always completely puzzled me. Let's just say I'm slightly smug now they're all sh*tting themselves trying to fix their deliberate CSS hacks in advance of IE7).
I think one extra div is no small price to pay and voila, box model is sorted.
I'd say there are pretty easy, non-standards-breaking workarounds for most of IE's quirks. If you MUST use alpha transparent PNGs then you'll be stuck. But if you're not bound by a designers' PSD it's not actually as bad as all that.
Contrary to some earlier posts, saying "my own stuff I care, but at work, it just has to work" -- it's my employer's policy that all our sites should be fully valid XHTML/CSS. Therefore, any site I make, must pass. Well, I say "must" - in practice nobody superior to me actually checks these things as far as I know, but I damn well make them valid anyway.
In practice - our main website actually doesn't validate! Our (proprietary) content management system munges code, so that even if I enter valid xhtml, it doesn't come out valid at all. This should be fixed in the next update hopefully... although even then it will take a huge overhaul to bring our vast website into 100% standards compliance. Until then, at least all our non-CMS microsites are valid. I've also helped persuade them to use Plone as the basis for our new intranet, partly because it adheres to pretty much every web standard under the sun.
Even if they didn't have this policy (and outside work, where I'm under no such direction), I still care. Why? Well... hmmm... frankly, I think it's about a typical geek trait as much as anything. Confused?
Basically, although one could reel off the supposed reasons why standards are all good (cross browser rendering, accessibility, etc), but there are counter-arguments to these anyway. (Cross browser rendering? Barely any browsers REALLY support all the standards, and the hugely dominant one doesn't do so at all. So the pragmatist could argue standards aren't the de facto route to platform-independent equivalent rendering. Accesibility? It's doubtless possible to follow standards and be inaccessible, and vice versa...)
No, if anything, the real reason I love sticking to standards is that good old geek habit of enjoying a challenge. Let's face it - it's easy to make a site that looks good in one browser and sucks in the rest. It's easy to make a site that looks good if you just do the whole bastard thing in flash. It's easy to make a site that looks good across all browsers if you ignore the standards and fill your markup and CSS with hacks. But make a site that looks good across all browsers, using the onion skin of gracefully degrading web technologies (Server side language of choice->XHTML->CSS->JS) and nothing more, and all 100% standards compliant?
Now that's a real challenge;-)
I'd link you to my employer's site, or some of the standards-based microsites I've done, but it's a charity, and I don't want to land them with a bandwidth bill:-)
Doubt this'll hold up long, moderation-wise, in the face of the Apple=God brigade, but anyway...
That's not exactly fair. FWIW, the Zen is actually much a better player than ipod - IMHO - and even trying to be as objective as possible, you'd have to say it's "as good". Features wise it trounces it (radio, recording, etc), value wise it trounces it (much cheaper, and you get the extra features, and extra extras, and much better headphones, etc, etc). The interface is 97% as slick as the ipods, it's not really any less stylish. Perhaps most importantly, reliability-wise, I don't know a single person with an ipod older than 1 year who hasnt found it's broken down, but I've heard nothing like that about the Zens (or Irivers come to that).
That said, their soundcards are/were an absolute joke and a rip-off.
And even though I like my Zen, and I'm sick of Apple getting such constant, nauseating, sycophantic (and undeserved) praise, automatically excused when doing anything bad... and it would therefore be easy to chuckle at this as "just deserts"... I'm not in favour of this litigation nonsense. Stupid patents and stupid patent lawsuits are stupid, whatever your preconceptions about the companies involved.
Last time I had to update anti-virus software? Hmm, never, I don't run any, and I've never had any problems.* On my parents box, where I thought it was a good idea to give them AV just in case... also never. (ClamWin, downloads updates automatically in the background.)
Last time I had to reboot because of a BSOD? Never since getting XP.
Last time I had to reboot because of an installation? Can't remember. Maybe about a year ago, even that was probably unnecessary but just a bad habit on the part of whoever wrote the installer for the 3rd party software in question.
As another poster commented earlier on in the thread: Stop comparing Linux to Windows 98. It does you no favours.
* - cue all the "how do you know you're virus free if you don't have anti-virus" remarks... Well... I 'know' (I'm confident), because none of my data has been deleted or corrupted, none of my system settings have changed, I've had no programs appear or disappear, I've had no performance degradation, I've had no flood of outbound spam from my box, etc, etc.
PS. I should probably clarify that a bit as I've just re-read it and realised it comes out a USA-hating which wasn't my intention. I don't condone terrorist attacks on the US or anybody else, nor do I suggest every engagement in that list is an example of USA-inflicted "terror" as GP suggested. I just think the GP is correct in saying that considering you've had an awful lot of military engagements, the amount of violent comeback you've experienced has been disproportionately small. Look at the UK - way more terrorist attacks over the last 50 years, despite far less in the way of unilateral military interventions worldwide.
frankly i think he is completely right. considering you've CONSTANTLY assassinated leaders, overthrown governments, sent in soldiers and/or bombers, all century, with any country you even slightly don't like, or has some resource you need, 1 terrorist attack all century is a pretty low return
Sorry, didn't realise "VAT" was used elsewhere, thought that was the english term, and other countries used different names/acronyms. I stand corrected!
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Sure, ^S is simple. But then you are in "the mercy of the editor" mode.
What rubbish!
Then your editor is going to ask you, "Do you want to save your changes?"
No it won't, pressing ^S IS saying "I want to save my changes". I've never, ever met a piece of software that double checks if I'm sure when I press ^S.
"Do you really want to overwrite the file?"
No it won't. ^S saves to the current file, overwriting. Unless the file is read only on the filesystem in whihc case you'll hit a prompt - but I expect you would have something similar with Vim. Unless you seriously think Vim should be able to ignore filesystem permissions.
"Are you really, really sure you want to save this file?"
No it won't. Pressing ^S saves the file. I've never, ever, EVER met a piece of software that *triple* checks if I'm sure when I press ^S -- now you're just being stupid.
"What filename do you want?"
No it won't. If you wanted it to ask that, you'd press ^A - for Save As.
I really don't get it... ESC,:w is way harder than ^S - four keypresses instead of one. The only part of the ESC argument that makes sense to me is that you don't need to hold modifier keys (shift, ctrl, alt) hence awkward stretchy wrist/hand movements -- which they then instantly undermine by requiring a : which you can't type without..... holding shift. Fantastic.
Well you say that, but I didn't when I tried using Linux. Since I couldnt figure out how to save & exit when editing a conf file, I couldnt get internet on the go, or X windows, or indeed do anything whatsoever except "ls".
American spammers, spamming to an American audience, to earn American dollars for their American companies. In that situation (and obviously anecdote != data, etc, but personally that situation accounts for at least 75% of my spam) it's an American problem. Who gives a monkey's where the servers are, physically? That's what really annoys me when I see slashbots talking about firewalling China or dropping all packets from Europe as an anti-spam measure. It's an American problem! (By which I don't mean it *exclusively* is, of course, just that it is.)
using 2 stereo USB capture devices (Edirol UA-1A & M-Audio MobilePre USB), as well as the PC's soundcard (left and right)
3 stereo devices - that adds up to 6 input channels. You want 8 channels. 8 into 6 doesn't go, that's just how counting works.
my main quest is to get a single piece of hardware (either for my PC or a standalone box) that will ONLY capture the audio - no EQ's, no FX, no mixing, nothing, since that is all done later, on the PC.
Yes... that's what's known as a soundcard. And you want 8 channels, so buy a soundcard with 8 inputs. Try the M-audio Delta 1010 for example.
Coming out with this "I need to record 8 channels but I refuse to buy an 8-input soundcard and want to use some budget USB input stages and an unspecified PC soundcard (probably onboard sound with the world's worst ADCs) which simply don't add up to 8" is really absolute nonsense.
I might as well "Ask Slashdot":
"I want to program a high performance hugely distributed 3D game environment but I don't know how to program. C and Java are both out, but I wrote some VBA macros once, can I do it with Windows Script Host? I refuse to buy or download any compilers or libraries I don't already have"
You can imagine the response I'd get. Well, that's your question as it reads to a regular record-bands-on-my-PC bedroom-studio-geek.
In London, there is talk about using the Oyster card for low-calue cashless transactions, in station newsagents, tobacconist, coffee shops, etc. (See this newspaper story.)
You can get a prepay oyster card by paying cash, and top it up with money paying cash. Completely anonymously.
If you got really paranoid you could swap your prepay card with another person... several times... between a huge group of people...
Obviously there's still potential for "join the dots" privacy invasion such as matching the bank note numbers used to top up the card to your bank account you withdrew them from, or matching cctv footage of you topping the card up, but that's nothing that couldn't really happen anyway.
I'd say that's basically just as anonymous as cash.
That may be true. However, Babylon 5 blew goats (terrible acting, terrible fx, terrible makeup...), whereas DS9 was awesome. So I don't really care if the latter ripped off the former, it doesn't stop it from being much better. Originality and quality are independent variables.
DJ? I don't DJ. WTF are you talking about. Get an account then I might care about your (presumably dribbling neocon/libertarian fetishist) book suggestions.
But did you get cool white headphones, did ya, huh?
Hehe. Actually, yes. When I went shopping, it seemed like all MP3 players come with white headphones. It's a fashion thing I suppose. Everyone wants to be walking down the street with their white 'phones on show and their MP3 player tucked in their pocket so that everyone else doesn't really they don't have an ipod. Hence all other brands have white headphones too.
Me... I'd rather not have white headphones, because I've read that they've become a red flag to muggers. I'd rather have black ones so that muggers assume I've got a 15 year old cassette walkman. But oh well.
Btw, don't assume I'm an anti-ipod zealot. They are beautiful bits of kit. When I picked up my mate's ipod for the first time, I was using it instantly, without any manual or whatever. Excellent piece of industrial design. When I picked up my Zen Vision for the first time, I was swearing at it at I failed to work out how to do X, or because it did Y when I was expecting it to do Z, etc. However... after all of 2 days later and a quick skim of the manual, I was zipping around with ease. And for me, in the long run, I'd rather spend 2 those days, save that 80 quid, and get those extra features. YMMV.
Somehow, I think people in the Soviet Union or China would disagree with you there...
Typical anti-socialist idiocy! Let's leap from the centre-left Scandinavian social democracy straight to the perversions of the USSR and China. Wtf? If I made a judgement on Reagan/Thatcher style politics based on a comparison to Nazism, based on the spurious connection that they're both very broadly right-wing, you wouldn't think that a valid leap of logic. So please don't do the same for very broadly left-wing politics.
How doesn't Capitalism work? The US is the most powerful country in the world.
That said, the US is not a Capitalist country.
No comment needed here really... you said it for yourself.
They are no more expensive than comparably equipped competitive products, its just that they sell for more because they give you more.
Uh huh. That's why the MP3 player I'm listening to right now has:
- proper gapless playback
- fm radio
- built in microphone
- ability to record from either radio or microphone
- ability to take media files off it, as well as put them onto it
- UK and EU power adapter included
None of which is true for the nearest ipod. And it cost about 80 quid less.
When it can be downloaded and installed for free I fail to see how Linux is an additional expense.
It's only free if your time is free.
While Microsoft has made GREAT strides in reliability since Windows 98 it's still no where near the level of Linux. I have machines that have been up well over a year.
Well, to be blunt, who cares? I've moved house 3 times in the last year, so how the hell would I have left my PC running all that time?
Normal people don't care about uptime once you get past the 1-2 days mark. So long as it doesn't crash in the middle of their work - which XP doesn't (at least, I've yet to see it happen after several years of heavy use) - that's enough. They turn their PC off when they go to bed. I used to leave mine up for maybe a week, or even two weeks, when I was grabbing something large on bittorrent/emule, but beyond that, I can't see any reason why I'd want year-long uptimes. It's not a server.
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Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to say there's always a way, just that for most common-or-garden websites, it's not as hard as often suggested.
IE standards support blows hard, there's no doubt about that. But if you (can) avoid esoteric stuff you can usually coax it into rendering a fairly close approximation of what a real browser renders.
First: this is assuming "correctly" is not defined as "pixel perfect", which was not and is not the point of the web. I concede that in many real world situations, the client expects a pixel perfect recreation of a PSD they give you, in which case you may run into problems. Things like the 3 pixel jog will screw you over. But if by correctly you just mean "looks exactly the same so long as you don't literally measure pixels", it rapidly gets easier.
Broken box model? No problem. Just don't use padding, and use an extra internal div with margin instead. Yeah, the hardcore purists say will say "but that extra div isn't semantic". But... let's face it... your first div probably wasn't semantic, was it? Furthermore, what's better - one extra div, or an enormous maze of tables (the old school approach), or standards-busting deliberate CSS hackery (seemingly the preferred method of standards junkies, which always completely puzzled me. Let's just say I'm slightly smug now they're all sh*tting themselves trying to fix their deliberate CSS hacks in advance of IE7).
I think one extra div is no small price to pay and voila, box model is sorted.
I'd say there are pretty easy, non-standards-breaking workarounds for most of IE's quirks. If you MUST use alpha transparent PNGs then you'll be stuck. But if you're not bound by a designers' PSD it's not actually as bad as all that.
In practice - our main website actually doesn't validate! Our (proprietary) content management system munges code, so that even if I enter valid xhtml, it doesn't come out valid at all. This should be fixed in the next update hopefully... although even then it will take a huge overhaul to bring our vast website into 100% standards compliance. Until then, at least all our non-CMS microsites are valid. I've also helped persuade them to use Plone as the basis for our new intranet, partly because it adheres to pretty much every web standard under the sun.
Even if they didn't have this policy (and outside work, where I'm under no such direction), I still care. Why? Well... hmmm... frankly, I think it's about a typical geek trait as much as anything. Confused?
Basically, although one could reel off the supposed reasons why standards are all good (cross browser rendering, accessibility, etc), but there are counter-arguments to these anyway. (Cross browser rendering? Barely any browsers REALLY support all the standards, and the hugely dominant one doesn't do so at all. So the pragmatist could argue standards aren't the de facto route to platform-independent equivalent rendering. Accesibility? It's doubtless possible to follow standards and be inaccessible, and vice versa...)
No, if anything, the real reason I love sticking to standards is that good old geek habit of enjoying a challenge. Let's face it - it's easy to make a site that looks good in one browser and sucks in the rest. It's easy to make a site that looks good if you just do the whole bastard thing in flash. It's easy to make a site that looks good across all browsers if you ignore the standards and fill your markup and CSS with hacks. But make a site that looks good across all browsers, using the onion skin of gracefully degrading web technologies (Server side language of choice->XHTML->CSS->JS) and nothing more, and all 100% standards compliant?
Now that's a real challenge ;-)
I'd link you to my employer's site, or some of the standards-based microsites I've done, but it's a charity, and I don't want to land them with a bandwidth bill :-)
Doubt this'll hold up long, moderation-wise, in the face of the Apple=God brigade, but anyway...
That's not exactly fair. FWIW, the Zen is actually much a better player than ipod - IMHO - and even trying to be as objective as possible, you'd have to say it's "as good". Features wise it trounces it (radio, recording, etc), value wise it trounces it (much cheaper, and you get the extra features, and extra extras, and much better headphones, etc, etc). The interface is 97% as slick as the ipods, it's not really any less stylish. Perhaps most importantly, reliability-wise, I don't know a single person with an ipod older than 1 year who hasnt found it's broken down, but I've heard nothing like that about the Zens (or Irivers come to that).
That said, their soundcards are/were an absolute joke and a rip-off.
And even though I like my Zen, and I'm sick of Apple getting such constant, nauseating, sycophantic (and undeserved) praise, automatically excused when doing anything bad... and it would therefore be easy to chuckle at this as "just deserts"... I'm not in favour of this litigation nonsense. Stupid patents and stupid patent lawsuits are stupid, whatever your preconceptions about the companies involved.
Last time I had to reboot because of a BSOD? Never since getting XP.
Last time I had to reboot because of an installation? Can't remember. Maybe about a year ago, even that was probably unnecessary but just a bad habit on the part of whoever wrote the installer for the 3rd party software in question.
As another poster commented earlier on in the thread: Stop comparing Linux to Windows 98. It does you no favours.
* - cue all the "how do you know you're virus free if you don't have anti-virus" remarks... Well... I 'know' (I'm confident), because none of my data has been deleted or corrupted, none of my system settings have changed, I've had no programs appear or disappear, I've had no performance degradation, I've had no flood of outbound spam from my box, etc, etc.
PS. I should probably clarify that a bit as I've just re-read it and realised it comes out a USA-hating which wasn't my intention. I don't condone terrorist attacks on the US or anybody else, nor do I suggest every engagement in that list is an example of USA-inflicted "terror" as GP suggested. I just think the GP is correct in saying that considering you've had an awful lot of military engagements, the amount of violent comeback you've experienced has been disproportionately small. Look at the UK - way more terrorist attacks over the last 50 years, despite far less in the way of unilateral military interventions worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States _foreign_interventions_since_1945
work your way through.
frankly i think he is completely right. considering you've CONSTANTLY assassinated leaders, overthrown governments, sent in soldiers and/or bombers, all century, with any country you even slightly don't like, or has some resource you need, 1 terrorist attack all century is a pretty low return
Sorry, didn't realise "VAT" was used elsewhere, thought that was the english term, and other countries used different names/acronyms. I stand corrected!
VAT isn't "up to 20%", it's up to 17.5%
:)
Small point but hey
What rubbish!
Then your editor is going to ask you, "Do you want to save your changes?"
No it won't, pressing ^S IS saying "I want to save my changes". I've never, ever met a piece of software that double checks if I'm sure when I press ^S.
"Do you really want to overwrite the file?"
No it won't. ^S saves to the current file, overwriting. Unless the file is read only on the filesystem in whihc case you'll hit a prompt - but I expect you would have something similar with Vim. Unless you seriously think Vim should be able to ignore filesystem permissions.
"Are you really, really sure you want to save this file?"
No it won't. Pressing ^S saves the file. I've never, ever, EVER met a piece of software that *triple* checks if I'm sure when I press ^S -- now you're just being stupid.
"What filename do you want?"
No it won't. If you wanted it to ask that, you'd press ^A - for Save As.
I really don't get it... ESC, :w is way harder than ^S - four keypresses instead of one. The only part of the ESC argument that makes sense to me is that you don't need to hold modifier keys (shift, ctrl, alt) hence awkward stretchy wrist/hand movements -- which they then instantly undermine by requiring a : which you can't type without..... holding shift. Fantastic.
Well you say that, but I didn't when I tried using Linux. Since I couldnt figure out how to save & exit when editing a conf file, I couldnt get internet on the go, or X windows, or indeed do anything whatsoever except "ls".
Never tried Linux since...
American spammers, spamming to an American audience, to earn American dollars for their American companies. In that situation (and obviously anecdote != data, etc, but personally that situation accounts for at least 75% of my spam) it's an American problem. Who gives a monkey's where the servers are, physically? That's what really annoys me when I see slashbots talking about firewalling China or dropping all packets from Europe as an anti-spam measure. It's an American problem! (By which I don't mean it *exclusively* is, of course, just that it is.)
3 stereo devices - that adds up to 6 input channels. You want 8 channels. 8 into 6 doesn't go, that's just how counting works.
my main quest is to get a single piece of hardware (either for my PC or a standalone box) that will ONLY capture the audio - no EQ's, no FX, no mixing, nothing, since that is all done later, on the PC.
Yes... that's what's known as a soundcard. And you want 8 channels, so buy a soundcard with 8 inputs. Try the M-audio Delta 1010 for example.
Coming out with this "I need to record 8 channels but I refuse to buy an 8-input soundcard and want to use some budget USB input stages and an unspecified PC soundcard (probably onboard sound with the world's worst ADCs) which simply don't add up to 8" is really absolute nonsense.
I might as well "Ask Slashdot":
"I want to program a high performance hugely distributed 3D game environment but I don't know how to program. C and Java are both out, but I wrote some VBA macros once, can I do it with Windows Script Host? I refuse to buy or download any compilers or libraries I don't already have"
You can imagine the response I'd get. Well, that's your question as it reads to a regular record-bands-on-my-PC bedroom-studio-geek.
In London, there is talk about using the Oyster card for low-calue cashless transactions, in station newsagents, tobacconist, coffee shops, etc. (See this newspaper story.)
You can get a prepay oyster card by paying cash, and top it up with money paying cash. Completely anonymously.
If you got really paranoid you could swap your prepay card with another person... several times... between a huge group of people...
Obviously there's still potential for "join the dots" privacy invasion such as matching the bank note numbers used to top up the card to your bank account you withdrew them from, or matching cctv footage of you topping the card up, but that's nothing that couldn't really happen anyway.
I'd say that's basically just as anonymous as cash.
That's the funniest thing I've read all day :D
Cheers for the laugh!
That may be true. However, Babylon 5 blew goats (terrible acting, terrible fx, terrible makeup...), whereas DS9 was awesome. So I don't really care if the latter ripped off the former, it doesn't stop it from being much better. Originality and quality are independent variables.
And, yeah, it feels pretty f###ing shit.
Just in the name of proper credit... this is closely paraphrased from Billy Connoly :)
Me, and my manager.
DJ? I don't DJ. WTF are you talking about. Get an account then I might care about your (presumably dribbling neocon/libertarian fetishist) book suggestions.
Hehe. Actually, yes. When I went shopping, it seemed like all MP3 players come with white headphones. It's a fashion thing I suppose. Everyone wants to be walking down the street with their white 'phones on show and their MP3 player tucked in their pocket so that everyone else doesn't really they don't have an ipod. Hence all other brands have white headphones too.
Me... I'd rather not have white headphones, because I've read that they've become a red flag to muggers. I'd rather have black ones so that muggers assume I've got a 15 year old cassette walkman. But oh well.
Btw, don't assume I'm an anti-ipod zealot. They are beautiful bits of kit. When I picked up my mate's ipod for the first time, I was using it instantly, without any manual or whatever. Excellent piece of industrial design. When I picked up my Zen Vision for the first time, I was swearing at it at I failed to work out how to do X, or because it did Y when I was expecting it to do Z, etc. However... after all of 2 days later and a quick skim of the manual, I was zipping around with ease. And for me, in the long run, I'd rather spend 2 those days, save that 80 quid, and get those extra features. YMMV.
Typical anti-socialist idiocy! Let's leap from the centre-left Scandinavian social democracy straight to the perversions of the USSR and China. Wtf? If I made a judgement on Reagan/Thatcher style politics based on a comparison to Nazism, based on the spurious connection that they're both very broadly right-wing, you wouldn't think that a valid leap of logic. So please don't do the same for very broadly left-wing politics.
How doesn't Capitalism work? The US is the most powerful country in the world.
That said, the US is not a Capitalist country.
No comment needed here really... you said it for yourself.
Uh huh. That's why the MP3 player I'm listening to right now has:
- proper gapless playback - fm radio
- built in microphone
- ability to record from either radio or microphone
- ability to take media files off it, as well as put them onto it
- UK and EU power adapter included
None of which is true for the nearest ipod. And it cost about 80 quid less.
RDF indeed.
It's only free if your time is free.
While Microsoft has made GREAT strides in reliability since Windows 98 it's still no where near the level of Linux. I have machines that have been up well over a year.
Well, to be blunt, who cares? I've moved house 3 times in the last year, so how the hell would I have left my PC running all that time?
Normal people don't care about uptime once you get past the 1-2 days mark. So long as it doesn't crash in the middle of their work - which XP doesn't (at least, I've yet to see it happen after several years of heavy use) - that's enough. They turn their PC off when they go to bed. I used to leave mine up for maybe a week, or even two weeks, when I was grabbing something large on bittorrent/emule, but beyond that, I can't see any reason why I'd want year-long uptimes. It's not a server.
Degrades gracefully.