Speaking of competing on a "level playing field", how about OO.o being "free as in beer"? OO.o is the app that isn't competing on a level playing field.
So you think to level the field, OO.o should charge for the app? That's probably the most idiotic idea I've read around here lately.
BTW, read up some more on how good an interchange format RTF is before commenting. There are relevant links posted in comments in this thread.
Well, that is said quite frequently: it is one of the main "arguments" against medicare (in the US) or whatever other health provider. There are lots of incentives in repeating it. Goebbels was not exactly wrong, you see.
The Document Object Model, or DOM, has long had a reputation for being an unwieldy and problematic interface to manipulate. The tree metaphor used in this book along with the series of progressive exercises present the DOM in a refreshingly approachable manner.
Wow. A tree metaphor for the DOM! Now that's a new idea!
Can you provide actual data? I honestly do not think private health providers are much more efficient that public ones. It is certainly not the case in this part of the world...
I assure you, I can think of many insults that have been used against people that were entirely on the mark.
An insult is never on the mark. How hard can that be to understand. Now, that of course does not mean you are to agree with anything; just express dissent respectfully.
Or are you trying to say that Firefox developers are these holy people who never do anything wrong, and that any insults against them is off base?
No, I am not trying to say that. I honestly have no idea where you got the impression I was.
"If you think it is time for a fork, well: fork it. Maintain your fork, do a couple of releases, and then we'll talk about bloat, leaks or whatever else you want."
Are you trying to argue that it is impossible to maintain an application that is not bloated and does not leak memory? If so, I can assure you that it is very possible, and there are many projects out there that fall within that category.
Maybe you should stop trying to read between the lines what I write, and read what I write instead!
Google is the most popular search engine, Yahoo is number two, it makes sense from an application design standpoint to make them the easyest to use. Firefox does this quite well.
Non sequitur
Where is the non sequitur? The first two phrases are statements of fact (they may be false, of course, but they are just propositions). The third phrase states what is suggested to be a principle of good design; you may agree with it or not, of course, but it is, again, just a proposition. The second sentence states yet another fact: the fact that the poster thinks that Firefox follows that design principle quite well.
As you can see, there is no conclusion being drawn from any premises here, just statements (with which you may of course not agree).
If you think it is time for a fork, well: fork it. Maintain your fork, do a couple of releases, and then we'll talk about bloat, leaks or whatever else you want.
Meanwhile, I suggest you stop using Firefox, if you haven't already, as it is clearly giving you more pain than gain.
No one with common sense would suppose time and effort that might have gone into coding went into the FF Flicks thing, that the people doing these two things are the same, or...
While I do not know enough of history to pass judgement on his historical assertions, that does not change a bit the fact that none of his opinions is not even a little bit more ridiculous because they are coming out of the "xenophobic Netherlands".
Moreover, he did not equate Bush to Hilter: he merely said that the way Bush exploited the system to get to where he is is similar to the way Hilter got to where he got. There is considerable distance between the two things. Saying that Bush is equal to Hilter is clearly ridiculous; saying that the methodologies used by both share significant traits is not.
If you are saying that the major opposing candidate at the last US presidential election was completely indistinguishable from Bush, and would have acted exactly the same in the circumstances that followed that election, then you are wrong.
That idea appears to please quite a number of would-be anti-system people around here, but it is a childish excuse for not paying attention to detail.
You had a choice (and, moreover, you already knew Bush from a previous term!)
To expand on my point: unless the M in WMD is justified (not to talk about the urgency of the menace represented by them,which was also a weighty argument at the time...), an average person who has standard cleaning products at home becomes a clear candidate for "liberation"...
If you can think of a way to "increase equality" that doesn't involve stealing from people and forcing them to do things against their will, then I'm all for it.
I could suggest that you read up on social contracts, and that kind of things. You probably wouldn't, so I won't.
Do you not imagine that if WMD had been found in any significant scale (that is, excluding a ten years old mustard gas past its expiration date...) we would not have been hearing about it constantly ever since?
And frankly, that's what I do. No OS X support = no sale. Why should I buy something that I can't use?
From what you write, I'm guessing you do not do this with Linux. I have never had to go hunting for drivers, and I have been using Linux since Slackware 2.something, circa mid 94 IIRC, and I have been following your adage to the letter, and have had no problems (well: exactly one exception: I bought a laptop a few years ago whose video card was not supported by X (xfree, at the time); I had to wait a little less than 2 months for the driver to be written.)
Why don't you at least read the licence (or one out of the couple of millions of commentaries on it)? At the very least, you should understand that the very purpose of the GPL is to prevent that.
Then come and tell us what the FSF or Linux can or cannot do. Only then.
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So you think to level the field, OO.o should charge for the app? That's probably the most idiotic idea I've read around here lately.
BTW, read up some more on how good an interchange format RTF is before commenting. There are relevant links posted in comments in this thread.
Well, that is said quite frequently: it is one of the main "arguments" against medicare (in the US) or whatever other health provider. There are lots of incentives in repeating it. Goebbels was not exactly wrong, you see.
Wow. A tree metaphor for the DOM! Now that's a new idea!
Can you provide actual data? I honestly do not think private health providers are much more efficient that public ones. It is certainly not the case in this part of the world...
No, it does not.
No, I am not.
Just as it happened to me in an earlier post, I honestly cannot see why do you think I asserted or even implied either of these two things.
I feel there is no much more point in continuing this thread. Have a greeat life.
An insult is never on the mark. How hard can that be to understand. Now, that of course does not mean you are to agree with anything; just express dissent respectfully.
No, I am not trying to say that. I honestly have no idea where you got the impression I was.
Maybe you should stop trying to read between the lines what I write, and read what I write instead!
Where is the non sequitur? The first two phrases are statements of fact (they may be false, of course, but they are just propositions). The third phrase states what is suggested to be a principle of good design; you may agree with it or not, of course, but it is, again, just a proposition. The second sentence states yet another fact: the fact that the poster thinks that Firefox follows that design principle quite well.
As you can see, there is no conclusion being drawn from any premises here, just statements (with which you may of course not agree).
Do read the Wikipedia page you linked to...
Probably the biggest non-sequitur of the day!
ads are more related to the non-freeness of the server than to the non-freeness of the clients, I'd say...
If your OS reboots when you open a page in a web browser, it is time to consider changing your *OS* (and/or looking at your hardware closely...)
Any insult is off base.
If you think it is time for a fork, well: fork it. Maintain your fork, do a couple of releases, and then we'll talk about bloat, leaks or whatever else you want.
Meanwhile, I suggest you stop using Firefox, if you haven't already, as it is clearly giving you more pain than gain.
You left me hoping you are just trolling...
No one with common sense would suppose time and effort that might have gone into coding went into the FF Flicks thing, that the people doing these two things are the same, or...
I have now, at your request.
While I do not know enough of history to pass judgement on his historical assertions, that does not change a bit the fact that none of his opinions is not even a little bit more ridiculous because they are coming out of the "xenophobic Netherlands".
Moreover, he did not equate Bush to Hilter: he merely said that the way Bush exploited the system to get to where he is is similar to the way Hilter got to where he got. There is considerable distance between the two things. Saying that Bush is equal to Hilter is clearly ridiculous; saying that the methodologies used by both share significant traits is not.
Are you dismissing his opinion because of the his nationality? Now, that's an argument! (Note that I have not even read his post...)
If you are saying that the major opposing candidate at the last US presidential election was completely indistinguishable from Bush, and would have acted exactly the same in the circumstances that followed that election, then you are wrong. That idea appears to please quite a number of would-be anti-system people around here, but it is a childish excuse for not paying attention to detail.
You had a choice (and, moreover, you already knew Bush from a previous term!)
To expand on my point: unless the M in WMD is justified (not to talk about the urgency of the menace represented by them,which was also a weighty argument at the time...), an average person who has standard cleaning products at home becomes a clear candidate for "liberation"...
Well, the M in WMD should be somehow justified...
I could suggest that you read up on social contracts, and that kind of things. You probably wouldn't, so I won't.
Can you provide a reference supporting that statement?
Do you not imagine that if WMD had been found in any significant scale (that is, excluding a ten years old mustard gas past its expiration date...) we would not have been hearing about it constantly ever since?
You are calling /usr/include a mistake?
From what you write, I'm guessing you do not do this with Linux. I have never had to go hunting for drivers, and I have been using Linux since Slackware 2.something, circa mid 94 IIRC, and I have been following your adage to the letter, and have had no problems (well: exactly one exception: I bought a laptop a few years ago whose video card was not supported by X (xfree, at the time); I had to wait a little less than 2 months for the driver to be written.)
Doesn't
for a in *.jpg; do
mv "$a" "$(echo $a | sed s/jpg$/jpeg/)";
done
say exactly the same thing and isn't it notoriously less verbose?
You need to try other sorts of food, dude.
Why don't you at least read the licence (or one out of the couple of millions of commentaries on it)? At the very least, you should understand that the very purpose of the GPL is to prevent that.
Then come and tell us what the FSF or Linux can or cannot do. Only then.
Thanks.
Not really. The licence says "thou shalt not link with proprietary code and distribute the resulting binary!"