> So you're still free to steal the ideas of others.
Or we could allow silly patents like you do, patent roman and greek alphabets whose prior art are belong to us and watch americans resorting to cyrillic if they want to sell software here.
Oh wait, "PEAKTOP" is a cyrillic rendition, IIRC. You gotta go arabic, or chinese.
>(On compatibility, I just can't help remembering all the whining that went on when XP was released and didn't run all DOS programs perfectly. We've been here before, guys. We got over it.)
>I'm a pragmatist who values having different tools for different jobs... and I have to say, I wish there were more of us around. This constant bickering and zealotry is nothing if not tedious.
If there were more of you around we'd be stuck at upgrading PCs every two year just to maintain format compatibility. But this is just my opinion. A fact is that you put the label zealotry on a movement which is quite more complex. Another fact is that your original comment put Microsoft vista usability on top of the mac forgetting that people need something more than the OS to work with, and that mac environment runs circles around microsoft whatever in that regard.
I'm a pragmatist who values having old programs working on newer hardware.
And apple always let its superiority fade when it achieved some, since the first '80s. Sadly.
>> Multinationals use international trade regulations to their advantage.
>They play the game according to the rules that the governments of the world set.
So essentially you agree with parent, since governments of the world mostly behave as big capital lapdogs. Witness the battle for patentable software in the EU. If governments were expression of the people, RIAA allegations that piracy causes the damage equivalent to the price of the CD would get laughed out of court. And so on.
> He who pays the piper calls the tune.
It's like being the stockholder. Every unpleasant thing happening to the big company is done "Because the stockholder wants the money for his investment back". But when did they ask me if I wanted to finance wars to get more money from my investment? I'd think something like that would at least require a signature or at least checking a small square somewhere in the contract for buying the shares?
>...The money is redistributed either way but the end result of the distribution in everyone's pocket would be roughly the same.
Then the reasons for passing full employment laws become even more mysterious, to me at least.
>...trade is a good thing
I think nobody is against trade all in itself.
Trade was common even in those enlightened times where trying to pull stunts like fractional reserve banking would have meant jail or death. Only then, money was "just" the most practical way to store and exchange wealth. So don't tie Trade or, for example, technological advancements to the current financial system ruling the world.
Of course you can correlate the amount of trade to the features of the current financial system. Which is still an assumption but a reasonable one.
But it is also a neutral fact, per se. Unless you correlate e.g. the GDP or national expenditure to happiness. But then I might say that production, time spent working, amount of goods bought indicate a negative thing if working does not cause an increment your knowledge and your self esteem as a human, if spending is done to imitate models, to appear superior than your peers, instead of getting something that increases your capabilities.
If I buy a flashy new cellphone with 64 voices and without a melody composer, and buy ringtones, I make the economic indicators grow. If i keep the old a piezoelectric single voice phone with composer, I cause recession. All in a microscopic scale of course. But I'm happier with the latter, I'm more powerful with the latter.
> Maybe we should all have abortions. Fill up heaven's ranks so that there are more pure angels to fight off Hell's evil.
To what end? God is not going to lose because of numerical superiority. He's won(*) because he's the admin while the main opponent is a user.
(*) if the Word is correct Revelations' events are inescapable. I said "has won" instead of "will win" because whatever time reference to God's dimension is equivalent.
If the Word isn't correct, then my reasoning is irrelevant, and so it's your point.
You aren't anal enough, which was the point. You say it's tested against a placebo (double blind test, I presume), but I said "THIS placebo" for a reason: this appeals to somebody's faith in alternative medicine. The double blind placebo doesn't. Whether it makes a difference is another matter.
Excuse me, but isn't the article yattack way too convoluted than necessary, and logically faulty? One can totally misunderstand the principles behind a cure, yet apply it and having it work.
If you want to prove homeopathy useless gather enough cases and compare how they stack up against normal cures. I guess you'll win.
Because if the arstechnica objections are right, and homeopathy is only a matter of placebo effect, you'd still have to prove that this placebo effect is inferior to normal cures in terms of percentage of people cured. And even before stopping calling it homeopathy and starting it calling placebo you must prove that convincing people in other ways than explaining the homeopatic theory is irrelevant to their faith in being cured.
I am nitpicking of course but the defenders of science and logic must be logically faultless.
- Linux on vmware or equivalent - wubi style installations on a windows partition http://wubi-installer.org/ - USB bootable stick - this new debian installer - live cds and cd installers - network
One might find the debian installer useful in those cases where the keyboard is locked on startup of the live cd, which prevents to choose one grub option. I guess it's an OS vs. BIOS issue at reboot, sometime it helps to reboot after a brief disconnection of the pc from power/battery.
Oh wait - floppies
I recently had to install on an old server with borked cdrom. I had to install potato through bootfloppies and upgrade up to sarge. Went well but i hope not to do it again ever:)
Microsoft has pulled something with the novell deal, scaring biz into getting "safe" open source software.
This agreement with Sun seems relevant for image more than substance. If MS or Sun virtualization didn't work well with most popular OSs, people would choose another one which is more flexible. They have no dominant position to exploit in the virtualization market.
Well having OO working fine on three different architectures, and word03 slightly more unstable on the only one it'll run on, I call BS or at least YMMV.
> These days CPUs control the heat and power management in a computer.
Yes but it's a badly engineered laptop the one where no hardware circuitry overrides whatever settings the cpu may impose on the cooling system. Is a thermostat so difficult to integrate?
A virus might melt your laptop.
I'd repair the computer and ask if they can observe its behavior under gentoo. If it's overheating I'd open an issue with the hardware maker. Of course I'd be in a fictional perfect world.
I am not pushing "diametrically opposed" (which is impossible) meanings, I just object on you picking a tormentor god with no plausible quote. I didn't pick one of the alternatives, it's irrelevant.
> Yeah, starting with an ad hominem makes me want to take your arguments seriously.
Maybe you could bother to read the rest of the comment and attack the rest.
Or: "socrates is a person because all philosophers are persons and socrates is a philosopher" is ad hominem to you since it starts with the conclusion without the necessary premises?
The premises are: OOXML is good according to icaza. Implicit, it's the slashdot post we're commenting.
OOXML is bad by some important metrics, it's way bigger than the counterparts, it's a submarine patent risk, it has some undefined behavior, and above all it comes from microsoft an ad corporationem attack, if you wish. Stated without proof later on in the comment, abundance of proof on previous slashdot discussions, though.
Therefore De Icaza is a shill. Well this is obviously an assumption and you can fight this. Other possibilities:
1. He started smoking crack 2. Gates has a nice set of photos of Icaza in passive sadomaso positions 3. Profit!!!...
Can't you stick to logic, which ought to be your weapon, instead of introducing irrelevant questions? Still no sign of the tormentor god.
About alternative meanings, it's your ipse dixit that makes them alternative. Even if they were, so what? How alternative was the meaning behind reconstructing the temple in three days? How alternative was this generation will see the kingdom of god?
You probably chose the tormentor god because it represents the best approximation of your idea of him. Fine but it's an assumption that ruins whatever logical attempt at disproving the ineffable you are making. I usually work the other way round, showing both believers and unbelievers how shaky is the ground for their ideological clashes.
Want an example? A transcendental God can't exist by definition. Existing means "being part of all there is", transcending reality means not belonging to it. Such god might super-exist, that is we define an extension of the concept of existence outside the domain of "all there is". It's an assumption. So "exists", "is one", "is good", "is evil" are all assumption that these concepts make sense outside their domain. An immanent god exists by definition, you simply call all there is "god". If we define the christian god as transcendental and immanent at the same time, the question does it exist, or does it super-exist are meaningless.
You wouldn't use a variable outside its scope yet you are trying to prove/disprove assertions that are logically flawed themselves.
Do you realize this (famous) one is even more generic? Weeping and gnashing of teeth could be caused by whatever model of hell I already cited. The tormentor god is still missing- and so old testament-ish if I may.
Besides, the "go and do likewise" of luke10 is a mandate, and postulating that since believers have been asked to do acts of mercy, then god is obliged to do the same is completely illogical. If God acted directly there would be no need for a mandate.
A sadistic god doesn't constitute the only model for hell, you know. "But that's what X preachers say" isn't going to cut it, unless you let your opinions be affected by possible trolls.
Maybe it's written "and I'll torture them for eternity" and i missed it, though,
A chroot for those who don't want to share the glory of god is a model for hell, too.
The burning coming from remorse of the realization we made injustice is a model for hell, too. An old one too, dating back to Dante at least.
Not to get too apologetic, A creator who decides what to save about its creation and what to scrap is a model for hell too.
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> Eben Moglen, lashed back at OpenBSD creator Theo de Raadt without actually mentioning his name.
:)
Whereas an explicit attack would have been way too common to be featured as news
> So you're still free to steal the ideas of others.
Or we could allow silly patents like you do, patent roman and greek alphabets whose prior art are belong to us and watch americans resorting to cyrillic if they want to sell software here.
Oh wait, "PEAKTOP" is a cyrillic rendition, IIRC. You gotta go arabic, or chinese.
They fixed the whitespace problem in a fork:
http://clisp.cons.org/
> Come on, Eurotrolls, what do you have to say now?
Four words:
No Software Patents (yet).
> There is no such thing as an "admin". In windows everyone has administrator rights.
I know, my other computer is your windows box.
>(On compatibility, I just can't help remembering all the whining that went on when XP was released and didn't run all DOS programs perfectly. We've been here before, guys. We got over it.)
>I'm a pragmatist who values having different tools for different jobs... and I have to say, I wish there were more of us around. This constant bickering and zealotry is nothing if not tedious.
If there were more of you around we'd be stuck at upgrading PCs every two year just to maintain format compatibility. But this is just my opinion. A fact is that you put the label zealotry on a movement which is quite more complex. Another fact is that your original comment put Microsoft vista usability on top of the mac forgetting that people need something more than the OS to work with, and that mac environment runs circles around microsoft whatever in that regard.
I'm a pragmatist who values having old programs working on newer hardware.
And apple always let its superiority fade when it achieved some, since the first '80s. Sadly.
>> Multinationals use international trade regulations to their advantage.
>They play the game according to the rules that the governments of the world set.
So essentially you agree with parent, since governments of the world mostly behave as big capital lapdogs. Witness the battle for patentable software in the EU. If governments were expression of the people, RIAA allegations that piracy causes the damage equivalent to the price of the CD would get laughed out of court. And so on.
> He who pays the piper calls the tune.
It's like being the stockholder. Every unpleasant thing happening to the big company is done "Because the stockholder wants the money for his investment back". But when did they ask me if I wanted to finance wars to get more money from my investment? I'd think something like that would at least require a signature or at least checking a small square somewhere in the contract for buying the shares?
>...The money is redistributed either way but the end result of the distribution in everyone's pocket would be roughly the same.
Then the reasons for passing full employment laws become even more mysterious, to me at least.
>...trade is a good thing
I think nobody is against trade all in itself.
Trade was common even in those enlightened times where trying to pull stunts like fractional reserve banking would have meant jail or death. Only then, money was "just" the most practical way to store and exchange wealth. So don't tie Trade or, for example, technological advancements to the current financial system ruling the world.
Of course you can correlate the amount of trade to the features of the current financial system. Which is still an assumption but a reasonable one.
But it is also a neutral fact, per se. Unless you correlate e.g. the GDP or national expenditure to happiness. But then I might say that production, time spent working, amount of goods bought indicate a negative thing if working does not cause an increment your knowledge and your self esteem as a human, if spending is done to imitate models, to appear superior than your peers, instead of getting something that increases your capabilities.
If I buy a flashy new cellphone with 64 voices and without a melody composer, and buy ringtones, I make the economic indicators grow. If i keep the old a piezoelectric single voice phone with composer, I cause recession. All in a microscopic scale of course. But I'm happier with the latter, I'm more powerful with the latter.
> Maybe we should all have abortions. Fill up heaven's ranks so that there are more pure angels to fight off Hell's evil.
To what end? God is not going to lose because of numerical superiority. He's won(*) because he's the admin while the main opponent is a user.
(*) if the Word is correct Revelations' events are inescapable. I said "has won" instead of "will win" because whatever time reference to God's dimension is equivalent.
If the Word isn't correct, then my reasoning is irrelevant, and so it's your point.
TF is: read my other reply.
You aren't anal enough, which was the point.
You say it's tested against a placebo (double blind test, I presume), but I said "THIS placebo" for a reason: this appeals to somebody's faith in alternative medicine. The double blind placebo doesn't. Whether it makes a difference is another matter.
Excuse me, but isn't the article yattack way too convoluted than necessary, and logically faulty? One can totally misunderstand the principles behind a cure, yet apply it and having it work.
If you want to prove homeopathy useless gather enough cases and compare how they stack up against normal cures. I guess you'll win.
Because if the arstechnica objections are right, and homeopathy is only a matter of placebo effect, you'd still have to prove that this placebo effect is inferior to normal cures in terms of percentage of people cured.
And even before stopping calling it homeopathy and starting it calling placebo you must prove that convincing people in other ways than explaining the homeopatic theory is irrelevant to their faith in being cured.
I am nitpicking of course but the defenders of science and logic must be logically faultless.
I don't even know how to open the case (it's a scrapped alphaserver), and the upgrade was mostly unattended.
- Linux on vmware or equivalent
:)
- wubi style installations on a windows partition http://wubi-installer.org/
- USB bootable stick
- this new debian installer
- live cds and cd installers
- network
One might find the debian installer useful in those cases where the keyboard is locked on startup of the live cd, which prevents to choose one grub option. I guess it's an OS vs. BIOS issue at reboot, sometime it helps to reboot after a brief disconnection of the pc from power/battery.
Oh wait
- floppies
I recently had to install on an old server with borked cdrom. I had to install potato through bootfloppies and upgrade up to sarge. Went well but i hope not to do it again ever
Microsoft has pulled something with the novell deal, scaring biz into getting "safe" open source software.
This agreement with Sun seems relevant for image more than substance. If MS or Sun virtualization didn't work well with most popular OSs, people would choose another one which is more flexible. They have no dominant position to exploit in the virtualization market.
Well having OO working fine on three different architectures, and word03 slightly more unstable on the only one it'll run on, I call BS or at least YMMV.
> These days CPUs control the heat and power management in a computer.
Yes but it's a badly engineered laptop the one where no hardware circuitry overrides whatever settings the cpu may impose on the cooling system. Is a thermostat so difficult to integrate?
A virus might melt your laptop.
I'd repair the computer and ask if they can observe its behavior under gentoo. If it's overheating I'd open an issue with the hardware maker. Of course I'd be in a fictional perfect world.
I am not pushing "diametrically opposed" (which is impossible) meanings, I just object on you picking a tormentor god with no plausible quote. I didn't pick one of the alternatives, it's irrelevant.
> Conversation over.
'zis is Slashdot, we don't Shush here!
> Yeah, starting with an ad hominem makes me want to take your arguments seriously.
...
Maybe you could bother to read the rest of the comment and attack the rest.
Or: "socrates is a person because all philosophers are persons and socrates is a philosopher" is ad hominem to you since it starts with the conclusion without the necessary premises?
The premises are:
OOXML is good according to icaza. Implicit, it's the slashdot post we're commenting.
OOXML is bad by some important metrics, it's way bigger than the counterparts, it's a submarine patent risk, it has some undefined behavior, and above all it comes from microsoft an ad corporationem attack, if you wish. Stated without proof later on in the comment, abundance of proof on previous slashdot discussions, though.
Therefore De Icaza is a shill. Well this is obviously an assumption and you can fight this. Other possibilities:
1. He started smoking crack
2. Gates has a nice set of photos of Icaza in passive sadomaso positions
3. Profit!!!
Can't you stick to logic, which ought to be your weapon, instead of introducing irrelevant questions? Still no sign of the tormentor god.
About alternative meanings, it's your ipse dixit that makes them alternative. Even if they were, so what? How alternative was the meaning behind reconstructing the temple in three days? How alternative was this generation will see the kingdom of god?
You probably chose the tormentor god because it represents the best approximation of your idea of him. Fine but it's an assumption that ruins whatever logical attempt at disproving the ineffable you are making. I usually work the other way round, showing both believers and unbelievers how shaky is the ground for their ideological clashes.
Want an example? A transcendental God can't exist by definition. Existing means "being part of all there is", transcending reality means not belonging to it. Such god might super-exist, that is we define an extension of the concept of existence outside the domain of "all there is". It's an assumption. So "exists", "is one", "is good", "is evil" are all assumption that these concepts make sense outside their domain.
An immanent god exists by definition, you simply call all there is "god". If we define the christian god as transcendental and immanent at the same time, the question does it exist, or does it super-exist are meaningless.
You wouldn't use a variable outside its scope yet you are trying to prove/disprove assertions that are logically flawed themselves.
Sorry, i forgot the explanation:
being thrown ~ being chrooted and
weeping, gnashing of teeth != being tortured by a god.
Do you realize this (famous) one is even more generic? Weeping and gnashing of teeth could be caused by whatever model of hell I already cited. The tormentor god is still missing- and so old testament-ish if I may.
Do you realize neither one qualifies as compatibile with the tormentor God's image i criticized?
I am tormented != somebody else is tormenting me. In fact it's a flame. What's it meaning? back to square one.
Well I wonder how different is office 07 to office 03 and how he managed to survive the change, if he ever did of course.
A sad story nonetheless.
Besides, the "go and do likewise" of luke10 is a mandate, and postulating that since believers have been asked to do acts of mercy, then god is obliged to do the same is completely illogical. If God acted directly there would be no need for a mandate.
> Guess who tortures people for eternity?
A sadistic god doesn't constitute the only model for hell, you know.
"But that's what X preachers say" isn't going to cut it, unless you let your opinions be affected by possible trolls.
Maybe it's written "and I'll torture them for eternity" and i missed it, though,
A chroot for those who don't want to share the glory of god is a model for hell, too.
The burning coming from remorse of the realization we made injustice is a model for hell, too. An old one too, dating back to Dante at least.
Not to get too apologetic, A creator who decides what to save about its creation and what to scrap is a model for hell too.