Hmm, I guess all the users using OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and MacOS must not actually be using anything. Oh, wait, they are using those products just fine. And continuing to modify the open source BSD code in them for new versions.
Publishers are a market that buy parts of authors work, invest in printing books, and in turn sell those books to a different market, readers. There are many different markets in the world.
If software isn't important enough for someone to at least maintain a shared copy of somewhere, why should I care that it goes away? Somone selling software that does something similar must be better enough that folks are willing to pay for the difference.
If it's under the GPL then it won't be in the private code anyhow, so no loss. If it's under BSD, then the BSD author is fine with it. So there's no real problem. Just folk getting their panties in a bunch because other folks didn't agree with them on a license philosophy. Enough that in this case, they falsely claim the BSD software isn't open source.
The intention of releasing open code by programmers, is for others to re-work it, but they want that re-worked code to stay open.
See, you were doing good with the first part of the sentence. Then you veered off. The second part of your sentenc is what *GPL* programmers want. Not what all open code programmers want. People who like BSD, and many other of the licenses out there, are just fine with folks forking off proprietary code if they want. The open code they have written is still always out there for others to use/fork/enjoy.
If closed code is using open code to modify there own software, then that open code used should remain in public view for others programmers to re-work.
The open code is always open. If it's written with the BSD licence and someone wants to fork away a proprietary version, that's fine. The original open code is still there, and viewable by the public for anyone to use and re-work.
GPL advocates seem to always talk like it magically disappears or something. It doesn't.
Saying idiotic things is a matter of freedom and democracy. We haven't lost it. Losing democracy was the point I was debating.
If you disagree with me on him saying idiotic things, you are free to do that and voice that opinion, even as a coward not even willing to put his own online alias to the post. Because we haven't lost any freedom or democracy, which that idiot is claiming we are losing.
I write some closed source proprietary programs. I also write some open source programs. If the source code is out there, free for anyone to use, it's open source. It doesn't matter if the OS it runs on is not. The code is free for anyone to use modify, or translate to run in the language and on the OS of their choice. It's open source.
It's not a false claim. It's just doesn't live up to the unreasonable expectations some people want to use to keep strictly to their own personal 'pure' definition of open source.
Yeah, writing software for a living for a target audience using 90% of the computers out there is idiotic. Especially if that's part of the 99% of the target audience that's used to actually paying you for your software.
You might not agree with closed source software, but calling folks idiotic for writing software for a large market you can get paid for writing software for is..... idiotic.
They called Linux a cancer, not open source software. They've used BSD software before. BSD folks are just fine with it, so there's no 'hijacking' involved.
Not really. There are a hell of a lot of sci-fi books out there. Buying from another author isn't hard. There are also a hell of a lot of resaraunts other than Chic-fil-a. It's kind of easy to go over another driveway or two to pull into another a different one instead.
It's not that I never every buy from any religious nut. I'm sure I'm buying from some religous nuts. I don't sweat it enough to do some kind of intense research on every seller out there, but when they get vocal enough to be noticed, I vote with my wallet, and there are always lots of other options out there. Not really tough at all.
You either read 20 other books than I did, or you don't read very deeply. It was evident to my 2 books in that he was likely a bit of a religous nut. By the 3rd one I was certain.
You can think whatever you want. Reality is, you can see him be hammered by a large amount of folks in the thread. I'm guessing/. has a larger percentage of sci-fi and comic fans then the general public.
I won't buy anything from him again. I stopped after reading the 3rd book of his I bought and figured out he was some kind of religious nut.
Does that not simply lend credence to his claim of "the end of democracy in America"
No, because the government didn't stop him from publishing anything. He's still got his right to vote for whatever/whoever he wants to in elections. He's free to say whatever idiotic things he wants. He's free to submit his work to whatever publisher he wants. No part of democracy is harmed.
The market has spoken and individuals have spoken that they don't want to deal with a bigoted ass.
Apparently you are totally unaware of the state of bridges in this country if you think our infrastructure is fine.
We've got lots of infrastructure that is falling apart. West Virginia just happens to have IT clueless folks running the place spending money where they shouldn't, and the biggest networking IT specialist around recommended something insane.
And you think MS couldn't have kept the quicktime issue tied up on court for a decade? At a time when Apple had no competitive OS and was hemmorhaging $1B/year? MS's investment restored a ton of confidence in Apple. Without that, things were looking very bleak for Apple.
I think keeping Apple around as the Monopoly foil was very influential in MS's decision to settle with a large investment and promise of upkeep instead of stringing along a floundering company in court.
Yeah, that's why a bunch of Linux users wrote XEN and put it out under the GPL. Because they wanted to make better host partitioning for Windows users.
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Hmm, I guess all the users using OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and MacOS must not actually be using anything. Oh, wait, they are using those products just fine. And continuing to modify the open source BSD code in them for new versions.
Publishers are a market that buy parts of authors work, invest in printing books, and in turn sell those books to a different market, readers. There are many different markets in the world.
So?
If software isn't important enough for someone to at least maintain a shared copy of somewhere, why should I care that it goes away? Somone selling software that does something similar must be better enough that folks are willing to pay for the difference.
If it's under the GPL then it won't be in the private code anyhow, so no loss. If it's under BSD, then the BSD author is fine with it. So there's no real problem. Just folk getting their panties in a bunch because other folks didn't agree with them on a license philosophy. Enough that in this case, they falsely claim the BSD software isn't open source.
The intention of releasing open code by programmers, is for others to re-work it, but they want that re-worked code to stay open.
See, you were doing good with the first part of the sentence. Then you veered off. The second part of your sentenc is what *GPL* programmers want. Not what all open code programmers want. People who like BSD, and many other of the licenses out there, are just fine with folks forking off proprietary code if they want. The open code they have written is still always out there for others to use/fork/enjoy.
If closed code is using open code to modify there own software, then that open code used should remain in public view for others programmers to re-work.
The open code is always open. If it's written with the BSD licence and someone wants to fork away a proprietary version, that's fine. The original open code is still there, and viewable by the public for anyone to use and re-work.
GPL advocates seem to always talk like it magically disappears or something. It doesn't.
Saying idiotic things is a matter of freedom and democracy. We haven't lost it. Losing democracy was the point I was debating.
If you disagree with me on him saying idiotic things, you are free to do that and voice that opinion, even as a coward not even willing to put his own online alias to the post. Because we haven't lost any freedom or democracy, which that idiot is claiming we are losing.
I forgot to ask, how is life under the bridge anyhow?
I write some closed source proprietary programs. I also write some open source programs. If the source code is out there, free for anyone to use, it's open source. It doesn't matter if the OS it runs on is not. The code is free for anyone to use modify, or translate to run in the language and on the OS of their choice. It's open source.
It's not a false claim. It's just doesn't live up to the unreasonable expectations some people want to use to keep strictly to their own personal 'pure' definition of open source.
Yeah, writing software for a living for a target audience using 90% of the computers out there is idiotic. Especially if that's part of the 99% of the target audience that's used to actually paying you for your software.
You might not agree with closed source software, but calling folks idiotic for writing software for a large market you can get paid for writing software for is..... idiotic.
They called Linux a cancer, not open source software. They've used BSD software before. BSD folks are just fine with it, so there's no 'hijacking' involved.
Not really. There are a hell of a lot of sci-fi books out there. Buying from another author isn't hard. There are also a hell of a lot of resaraunts other than Chic-fil-a. It's kind of easy to go over another driveway or two to pull into another a different one instead.
It's not that I never every buy from any religious nut. I'm sure I'm buying from some religous nuts. I don't sweat it enough to do some kind of intense research on every seller out there, but when they get vocal enough to be noticed, I vote with my wallet, and there are always lots of other options out there. Not really tough at all.
You either read 20 other books than I did, or you don't read very deeply. It was evident to my 2 books in that he was likely a bit of a religous nut. By the 3rd one I was certain.
You can think whatever you want. Reality is, you can see him be hammered by a large amount of folks in the thread. I'm guessing /. has a larger percentage of sci-fi and comic fans then the general public.
I won't buy anything from him again. I stopped after reading the 3rd book of his I bought and figured out he was some kind of religious nut.
Does that not simply lend credence to his claim of "the end of democracy in America"
No, because the government didn't stop him from publishing anything. He's still got his right to vote for whatever/whoever he wants to in elections. He's free to say whatever idiotic things he wants. He's free to submit his work to whatever publisher he wants. No part of democracy is harmed.
The market has spoken and individuals have spoken that they don't want to deal with a bigoted ass.
Apparently you are totally unaware of the state of bridges in this country if you think our infrastructure is fine.
We've got lots of infrastructure that is falling apart. West Virginia just happens to have IT clueless folks running the place spending money where they shouldn't, and the biggest networking IT specialist around recommended something insane.
No, he's just not a total moron like you.
We get lots of traffic, but thanks for playing.
None of my websites use google analytics. None of my computers accept cookies for them, and I block them in my hosts files.
There are people who care.
Good coffee I don't add anything to. Mediocre to worse coffee I add cream and sugar to.
Just like steaks and steak sauce.
Kindergarten IS optional. There are 15 states where it isn't, but for most of history, and still the vast majority of states it is.
That's why it's not called 1st grade.
And what's the weight ratio of the particles to the amount of hydrogen produced by them.
Everyone I know who runs CARP. Redundancy is good if you care about reliability/availability.
And you think MS couldn't have kept the quicktime issue tied up on court for a decade? At a time when Apple had no competitive OS and was hemmorhaging $1B/year? MS's investment restored a ton of confidence in Apple. Without that, things were looking very bleak for Apple.
I think keeping Apple around as the Monopoly foil was very influential in MS's decision to settle with a large investment and promise of upkeep instead of stringing along a floundering company in court.
Yeah, that's why a bunch of Linux users wrote XEN and put it out under the GPL. Because they wanted to make better host partitioning for Windows users.
You are an utter frigging moron.
I'm not sure WTF you are talking about, but I use VMWare because the management tools are loads better than for XEN.
VMs are very useful to those who also know about all the above mentioned management.
You sound like a tool.