"If you really want to know if PostgreSQL (or MySQL) can handle it, look at the best and brightest tech corps in the world. I'll pick two for you: Google and Yahoo!. They use MySQL extensively. IMO PostgreSQL can do whatever MySQL can (though, honestly, I'm not sure, I've only ever seen MySQL in high volume environments like Digg, where I'm currently working)."
"If you think MySQL/PostgreSQL just don't have what it takes on a fundamental level, I humbly suggest you rethink your competence in the field.
From the Yahoo's home page... 'Company info' link, 'Employment Opportunities', 'Find a job' link, 'job search' link, searching for 'dba' gives...
Technical Yahoo, Sr which describes it as "We are looking for a seasoned Oracle DBA/Architect to join Yahoo! Mail team. You will be part of Mail DBA team to design, setup and manage multi-terabytes Oracle RAC databases for next generation of web-based applications." ,
IT Applications Support Analyst described as "This position will provide day-to-day applications support in troubleshooting issues related to Oracle 11i HR, Oracle Self Service, and several integrated 3rd party HR applications working closely with the Corporate IT Applications development team, DBA's, HRIS and various HR business groups/partners.",
Technical Yahoo described as "Plan, install, configure, maintain and administer Oracle databases."
And over at Google, searching for jobs at Google with the keyword Oracle we have:
Systems Specialist - Internal Applications which lists requirements as "Production support experience with Oracle or MySQL database servers, including user creation, monitoring of backups, basic queries and generation of data extracts." I wonder why they list Oracle. Maybe because they use Oracle as well??? hmmm.
Database Administrator - Phoenix which says "This person will be tasked with supporting databases of varied flavors including Oracle, SQL*Server, MySQL and Netezza (Postgres-type)."
Database Administrator (Temporary) - Mountain View which states "The primary database platform this person will support will be MySQL and Oracle but will also be involved in assisting with Microsoft SQL, Netezza and PostGres. "
Googles jobs listing Oracle go on and on...
They use MySQL for very shallow applications that aren't that critical if they screw up a few records. If that happens, a few hits aren't returned. No biggie, there are probably 14,000 other hits for what you've searched for, and what you ne
Postgres has realized for many many years that February 31st is not a real date. MySQL only recently realized that.
Postgres has thrown errors for years if you entered out of bounds data. Until extremely recently, MySQL would happily silently change your data to something it liked. No errors, just bad data. Yummy. And it will still do that if you don't run it in 'strict' mode (not the default, except on windows). Postrges doesn't have any such setting to 'accept bad data and silenty change it'. Real databases don't.
"I mean, cripes, GOOGLE uses MySql. If THEY don't need Oracle, who the hell does?"
If google's database gets corrupted, someone doesn't get back a few hits on a search. No big deal.
If your financial warehouse gets corruption in it, someone could end up losing a ton of money. That's a hugeg deal. Vastly different levels of confidence are needed in the data.
Not many places that really rely on the quality of their data are going to use a database system with a long history as accepting "February 31st" as a real date.
Psst. "We" Americans are the ones doing the funding. We deserve to hear the results. They shouldn't be hidden from us because the currently (un)-elected leader decides that we shouldn't hear them because it would be bad for his friends and special interest parties. You don't think the government should be supporting environmental research? I don't think it should be starting uneccessary wars costing hundreds of billions of dollars, but it is.
Ah, no. What he wants is either Microsoft MSDE or SQL 2005 express. There's no need to use something as limited/low-end as Access. MSDE is ment to be used either embedded in your app, or as a lightweight stand-alone server.
Why not just get your company, and any others that you can, to each buy a handful of CDs? The project will still get money from them (although not as much as from a straight donation) and you get some useful CDs. Those are a lot easier to justify to your companies beancounters than a donation. If enough companies would do that, I think they'd get enough money to keep their hackathons rolling.
Especially troubling to see was the quote from Nature justifying that they had done a good job "And of the 123 purported errors in question, Britannica takes issue with fewer than half."
Ok, I'm a Ph.D. research scientist. I've published papers. I can tell you right now, if I submit a paper to Nature and the reviewers have doubts about "fewer than half my data", there is no freaking way in hell that my paper is going to get published. Seriously. I can't believe that part of the defense from a scientific publication is that "less than half" of it's data was called into question.
I'm horribly disappointed in Nature. It's considered the top (or one of the very top) scientific journals. Keeping the actual raw data hidden, and these strange defenses of what appears to be a very very flawed study method is far below the level of journalism that they should hold themselves to.
Actually, outsourcing of health care is starting up.
1) Had any X-rays done lately? More often then than you'd think, the image will be scanned and sent to an radiologist in India or elsewhere for analysis.
2) There are now hospitals in India and the far east that cater to foreigners for surgery. It can often be 1/4 to 1/10th the cost to have it done there. For expensive procedures, the cost savings can make it worth the ticket price and travel time.
3) Wanna bet pharmacists aren't going to be in trouble? It's getting really easy to order drugs over the internet these days.
Yes, for minor health problems and emergencies we are going to need nurses and pharmacists here, but just as in IT, don't believe for a minute that a good percentage of their numbers may well be outsorced.
Because in the early 90's when Linux was taking off, the BSDs were tied up in a lawsuit (eventually decided in their favor) and that kind of halted the expansion of their userbase for a few years, right at the time when the whole internet thingy was taking off.
New poor geeks all over the place were rapidly getting internet connections for the first time. They could either start playing with Linux, or BSD... which might go away if the lawsuit went badly. Lots of folks started playing with Linux that might otherwise have started playing with BSD.
That's not the whole reason for the current distribution of the userbase, but it certainly played a role.
They wants donations so that he can fly his develops to hackathons to make more code. Do you think putting it under a GPL license would fix the problem by forcing the companies to donate money? Nope.
Instead I'm sure you think the companies will do the coding in place of the known good developers and then the project would get the code (of unknown quality) that way.
The company 'might' give code changes back.
*IF* they made any changes to it.
*IF* they were distributing the software.
And *IF* they were sure they would get caught if they didn't. (lots of companies have broken the GPL until sued or threatened to be sued)
It's like.. um.. dude.. nothing at all to do with the whole GPL vs BSD license debate.
It's reminding folks that if they find some open source software useful, it would be a nice thing if they contributed back a tiny fraction of the benifit that they recieve from it in some way. The GPL doesn't stop someone from using it a ton with no payback as long as they aren't changing and redistributing it.
He said he found it crazy that folks who always want 'open' software, even forcing anyone using it to keep it open, would accept closed binary blobs in their software. That sounds like a pretty specific point he was talking about. Not 'slagging linux developers in general'.
If you disagree with his point, how about stating why you think it's wrong rather than just bitching about 'classic theo'.
But now RICO gets used and abused for many other things. It is used to go after political groups (anti-abortion groups is one case I'm aware of). In this case it sounds like it is being used in a business dispute.
I swear, if Congress keeps on passing laws that inadvertently (or otherwise) lets law enforcement get involved in what are civil business disputes, this country will be ruined.
So you think bombing and the shooting of people who work in abortion clinics are just civil business disputes? Encouragement of those activities is by anti-abortion groups on their websites etc, are definitely valid RICO cases.
So? What's wrong with lumping them togeather. It's often been said by zealots that it doesn't matter if the maintainters stop working on a project. You can always take it up and mainatain it yourself. That's exactly what we have here. It turns out, it does matter.
Maybe you need to read up on OS history about spouting off about how Linux got popular just because Linus is a 'nicer guy' than leaders of other projects. About the time Linux was starting to get out and take off, the BSD's were all tied up in a legal battle over UNIX/derivatives. They were stuck in a limbo status for a while until the lawsuit was ruled in their favor. Linux was able to get a lot of grassroots expansion over the open-source-interesed user base during that time. If not for the lawsuits, the userbase distribution between the open source OS's might be much much different today.
A few years ago Turbo Tax came out with a version of their software with some nasty DRM/activation scheme, and was 'usable' on one machine only (you couldn't file or print out your taxes from both your desktop and laptop), and had a few other major gotcha's. I boycotted Turbo Tax after that and started using Tax Cut instead.
Several years ago they were slow when I ordered as well. It's much faster now. I think they didn't have things automated well for the shipments in the beginning. It's much much better now if you'd care to try again. If not, the FTP site is always there for immediate download/install.
I've got about a half dozen production boxes running and am looking at helping others get about 4 more set up in other companies. There, you've now heard of it recently.
Ahh yes, let's just look at the threat Theo has posted.... Oh, wait. Marco posted that article about financial problems, not Theo. Where exactly is Theo giving an implied threat?
But yeah, your right. No one would dare to post about how their project was in financial trouble and ask for donations if they weren't terribly bitter. The non-bitter guys just keep silent and let the project sink and just disappear.
I don't see how that's a real problem. I've been using OpenBSD for years. I've never met Theo. I've never even emailed him, or been emailed by him. I don't know if he's an ass because I've never intereacted with him in any way other than running his code that I downloaded or bought on a CD. Someone thinking he's an 'absolute ass' doesn't really affect my use of the OS. I donate because I use it. If everyone who used OpenBSD or OpenSSH, etc, donated they wouldn't have a problem. But lots of people use the OS or it's derivative projects, and don't contribute any cash/code back. The way I see it, it's those people who are the asses and the real problem.
I'm still worried. Incompetence in spying doesn't seem to stop them from grabbing a person who's innocent, and throwing them in a cell for 3 years, with no trial, then decide he's not guilty of anything, and releasing him (or not).
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"If you think MySQL/PostgreSQL just don't have what it takes on a fundamental level, I humbly suggest you rethink your competence in the field.
From the Yahoo's home page... 'Company info' link, 'Employment Opportunities', 'Find a job' link, 'job search' link, searching for 'dba' gives...
Oracle DBA",
Technical Yahoo, Sr which describes it as "We are looking for a seasoned Oracle DBA/Architect to join Yahoo! Mail team. You will be part of Mail DBA team to design, setup and manage multi-terabytes Oracle RAC databases for next generation of web-based applications." ,
Sr. Oracle DBA - Yahoo! Search & Marketplace,
IT Applications Support Analyst described as "This position will provide day-to-day applications support in troubleshooting issues related to Oracle 11i HR, Oracle Self Service, and several integrated 3rd party HR applications working closely with the Corporate IT Applications development team, DBA's, HRIS and various HR business groups/partners.",
Technical Yahoo described as "Plan, install, configure, maintain and administer Oracle databases."
And over at Google, searching for jobs at Google with the keyword Oracle we have:
Systems Specialist - Internal Applications which lists requirements as "Production support experience with Oracle or MySQL database servers, including user creation, monitoring of backups, basic queries and generation of data extracts." I wonder why they list Oracle. Maybe because they use Oracle as well??? hmmm.
Database Administrator - Phoenix which says "This person will be tasked with supporting databases of varied flavors including Oracle, SQL*Server, MySQL and Netezza (Postgres-type)."
Technical Accounting Manager which says "Recent Oracle 11i experience is a plus."
Database Administrator (Temporary) - Mountain View which states "The primary database platform this person will support will be MySQL and Oracle but will also be involved in assisting with Microsoft SQL, Netezza and PostGres. "
Googles jobs listing Oracle go on and on...
They use MySQL for very shallow applications that aren't that critical if they screw up a few records. If that happens, a few hits aren't returned. No biggie, there are probably 14,000 other hits for what you've searched for, and what you ne
I think you forgot a few important things.
Postgres has realized for many many years that February 31st is not a real date. MySQL only recently realized that.
Postgres has thrown errors for years if you entered out of bounds data. Until extremely recently, MySQL would happily silently change your data to something it liked. No errors, just bad data. Yummy. And it will still do that if you don't run it in 'strict' mode (not the default, except on windows). Postrges doesn't have any such setting to 'accept bad data and silenty change it'. Real databases don't.
If google's database gets corrupted, someone doesn't get back a few hits on a search. No big deal.
If your financial warehouse gets corruption in it, someone could end up losing a ton of money. That's a hugeg deal. Vastly different levels of confidence are needed in the data.
Not many places that really rely on the quality of their data are going to use a database system with a long history as accepting "February 31st" as a real date.
Psst. "We" Americans are the ones doing the funding. We deserve to hear the results. They shouldn't be hidden from us because the currently (un)-elected leader decides that we shouldn't hear them because it would be bad for his friends and special interest parties. You don't think the government should be supporting environmental research? I don't think it should be starting uneccessary wars costing hundreds of billions of dollars, but it is.
Nah. They've had stand-alone walking robots for years. It's not that hard.
So let him be CEO, and you take the title of President.
Ah, no. What he wants is either Microsoft MSDE or SQL 2005 express. There's no need to use something as limited/low-end as Access. MSDE is ment to be used either embedded in your app, or as a lightweight stand-alone server.
Why not just get your company, and any others that you can, to each buy a handful of CDs? The project will still get money from them (although not as much as from a straight donation) and you get some useful CDs. Those are a lot easier to justify to your companies beancounters than a donation. If enough companies would do that, I think they'd get enough money to keep their hackathons rolling.
Let me just say kudos to you. You guys make a great product. I'm a workstation customer and also now user player and server. Great stuff. Thanks!
Not just VMWare player. VMWare server is free as well (though still in beta at the moment, it is supposed to be free when finished)
Especially troubling to see was the quote from Nature justifying that they had done a good job "And of the 123 purported errors in question, Britannica takes issue with fewer than half."
Ok, I'm a Ph.D. research scientist. I've published papers. I can tell you right now, if I submit a paper to Nature and the reviewers have doubts about "fewer than half my data", there is no freaking way in hell that my paper is going to get published. Seriously. I can't believe that part of the defense from a scientific publication is that "less than half" of it's data was called into question.
I'm horribly disappointed in Nature. It's considered the top (or one of the very top) scientific journals. Keeping the actual raw data hidden, and these strange defenses of what appears to be a very very flawed study method is far below the level of journalism that they should hold themselves to.
Or they could shove them down the stairs.
1) Had any X-rays done lately? More often then than you'd think, the image will be scanned and sent to an radiologist in India or elsewhere for analysis.
2) There are now hospitals in India and the far east that cater to foreigners for surgery. It can often be 1/4 to 1/10th the cost to have it done there. For expensive procedures, the cost savings can make it worth the ticket price and travel time.
3) Wanna bet pharmacists aren't going to be in trouble? It's getting really easy to order drugs over the internet these days.
Yes, for minor health problems and emergencies we are going to need nurses and pharmacists here, but just as in IT, don't believe for a minute that a good percentage of their numbers may well be outsorced.
New poor geeks all over the place were rapidly getting internet connections for the first time. They could either start playing with Linux, or BSD... which might go away if the lawsuit went badly. Lots of folks started playing with Linux that might otherwise have started playing with BSD.
That's not the whole reason for the current distribution of the userbase, but it certainly played a role.
They wants donations so that he can fly his develops to hackathons to make more code. Do you think putting it under a GPL license would fix the problem by forcing the companies to donate money? Nope.
Instead I'm sure you think the companies will do the coding in place of the known good developers and then the project would get the code (of unknown quality) that way.
The company 'might' give code changes back.
*IF* they made any changes to it.
*IF* they were distributing the software.
And *IF* they were sure they would get caught if they didn't. (lots of companies have broken the GPL until sued or threatened to be sued)
It's like.. um .. dude.. nothing at all to do with the whole GPL vs BSD license debate.
It's reminding folks that if they find some open source software useful, it would be a nice thing if they contributed back a tiny fraction of the benifit that they recieve from it in some way. The GPL doesn't stop someone from using it a ton with no payback as long as they aren't changing and redistributing it.
If you disagree with his point, how about stating why you think it's wrong rather than just bitching about 'classic theo'.
I swear, if Congress keeps on passing laws that inadvertently (or otherwise) lets law enforcement get involved in what are civil business disputes, this country will be ruined.
So you think bombing and the shooting of people who work in abortion clinics are just civil business disputes? Encouragement of those activities is by anti-abortion groups on their websites etc, are definitely valid RICO cases.
So? What's wrong with lumping them togeather. It's often been said by zealots that it doesn't matter if the maintainters stop working on a project. You can always take it up and mainatain it yourself. That's exactly what we have here. It turns out, it does matter.
Maybe you need to read up on OS history about spouting off about how Linux got popular just because Linus is a 'nicer guy' than leaders of other projects. About the time Linux was starting to get out and take off, the BSD's were all tied up in a legal battle over UNIX/derivatives. They were stuck in a limbo status for a while until the lawsuit was ruled in their favor. Linux was able to get a lot of grassroots expansion over the open-source-interesed user base during that time. If not for the lawsuits, the userbase distribution between the open source OS's might be much much different today.
A few years ago Turbo Tax came out with a version of their software with some nasty DRM/activation scheme, and was 'usable' on one machine only (you couldn't file or print out your taxes from both your desktop and laptop), and had a few other major gotcha's. I boycotted Turbo Tax after that and started using Tax Cut instead.
Several years ago they were slow when I ordered as well. It's much faster now. I think they didn't have things automated well for the shipments in the beginning. It's much much better now if you'd care to try again. If not, the FTP site is always there for immediate download/install.
I've got about a half dozen production boxes running and am looking at helping others get about 4 more set up in other companies. There, you've now heard of it recently.
But yeah, your right. No one would dare to post about how their project was in financial trouble and ask for donations if they weren't terribly bitter. The non-bitter guys just keep silent and let the project sink and just disappear.
Thanks's for the great analysis.
I don't see how that's a real problem. I've been using OpenBSD for years. I've never met Theo. I've never even emailed him, or been emailed by him. I don't know if he's an ass because I've never intereacted with him in any way other than running his code that I downloaded or bought on a CD. Someone thinking he's an 'absolute ass' doesn't really affect my use of the OS. I donate because I use it. If everyone who used OpenBSD or OpenSSH, etc, donated they wouldn't have a problem. But lots of people use the OS or it's derivative projects, and don't contribute any cash/code back. The way I see it, it's those people who are the asses and the real problem.
I'm still worried. Incompetence in spying doesn't seem to stop them from grabbing a person who's innocent, and throwing them in a cell for 3 years, with no trial, then decide he's not guilty of anything, and releasing him (or not).