Perhaps so. I was taught to consider the user needs, business rules, everything as a key part of development. If this is done correctly, the GUI can effectively be a wrapper.
Is UI development easy? Usually Not. Is UI development important? Absolutely.
BUT... UI work is usually neither the bulk of the application nor the "most important" part.
To abuse the old metaphor: The gas pedal on your car is important. It needs to function well and be robust, but it is NOT more important than the "back end" stuff like, oh... the fuel injection system. Both are necessary, but the fuel system is more critical.
I respect UI people (I am pretty lousy at it), and try to keep them in mind when developing back-end code. But if I have worked with the UI folks and know WHAT their interface will do, I can handle the heavy lifting (business rule processing) on the back end.
If the UI developer is doing "an entire order of magnitude more work", as the article said, then either the non-ui coder sucks, or the project has been badly mismanaged.
Yeah, now I'm not so sure. A decent voice impression, but that was odd to say. Unless the guy really believes his own mythology, of course.
What makes me (now) disbelieve is the obvious trolling at the end of the Han/Greedo scene where he talks about changing Indiana Jones... Seems like an obvious bating of fan-boys...
I like the cast commentary on The Two Towers... specifically Dom Monahan and Billy Boyd... who pretend to be really arrogant, making a big deal of how Merry and Pippin (almost) singlehandedly defeated saruman, etc. While Aragorn barely saved Helm's Deep.
I wonder if this is a good marketing idea... Offer something really unusual on April 1... if enough people bite, then actually do it. Otherwise, call it a joke.
A radio station I know did that, by accident. They changed from top40 to disco one day (this was like 1993) for 12 hours. But then people started calling up with "Where's the disco?" and they had to change formats...
I gave my two weeks because my boss was/is very cool (he gave an excellent recommendation to my current employer), and I didn't wanna screw him. I specifically asked for the highest person in HR to speak to in my exit interview. When they asked if I'd ever recommend Keane to a friend, I said "Not a chance in Hell". That interview was the most fun I've ever had with HR.
I don't mind Photoshop designs, so long as the person doing 'em knows what HTML can do.
Couple of years ago I (a lowly coder scrub) told a director (over a couple of hundred people) that the design that some ad firm made up wouldn't work. We're talking everything with rounded corners, overlapping, with dropshadows everywhere and some weird ass font for all the text. And it was all "critical" to have. On any browser. On any platform. Over a 28K modem.
Now, I'm a hell of an HTML hack. I've committed more cross-browser rendering engine abuse than is legal. But what she wanted was flat out impossible in HTML (in Flash, sure...).
After being shot down multiple times in a big meeting, I'd had it. I just said "Look, it DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. If your designers can figure out how, I'd be very impressed". So she gives me an "I'll show you" look and tells the designers to produce an HTML prototype.
A week later the revised design (sans impossible stuff) was on my desk. Bitch:)
The way I see it, there's little difference between me using my body as a stockman (I'm a big/tall guy) in a wherehouse to get through school and a girl taking off her clothes to do the same. If someone will pay you well based on your genetics, why not go for it?
(I told this to a stripper that must have felt guilty, because she was justifying her job to me... she felt better.)
No shit. The boss knows how to do HTML and so now they are our tech equals... I HATE "Photoshop Developers". Graphic artists are fine. Design people are fine. But those who think that they are coders because they did a mouseOver irritate me beyond belief.
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Perhaps so. I was taught to consider the user needs, business rules, everything as a key part of development. If this is done correctly, the GUI can effectively be a wrapper.
Is UI development easy? Usually Not.
Is UI development important? Absolutely.
BUT... UI work is usually neither the bulk of the application nor the "most important" part.
To abuse the old metaphor:
The gas pedal on your car is important. It needs to function well and be robust, but it is NOT more important than the "back end" stuff like, oh... the fuel injection system. Both are necessary, but the fuel system is more critical.
I respect UI people (I am pretty lousy at it), and try to keep them in mind when developing back-end code. But if I have worked with the UI folks and know WHAT their interface will do, I can handle the heavy lifting (business rule processing) on the back end.
If the UI developer is doing "an entire order of magnitude more work", as the article said, then either the non-ui coder sucks, or the project has been badly mismanaged.
Creating Jar Jar proves he has no concept of subtle or dry humor...
Yeah, now I'm not so sure. A decent voice impression, but that was odd to say. Unless the guy really believes his own mythology, of course.
What makes me (now) disbelieve is the obvious trolling at the end of the Han/Greedo scene where he talks about changing Indiana Jones... Seems like an obvious bating of fan-boys...
How about the part where he says that he's trying to get Spielberg to change Raiders of the Lost Ark ?
Eep, that'd set all the obsessive fans off... Using a bible-based song in SW. That's be fun to watch.
Eh, having listened to some of the commentaries... If that's not really lucas, then the impersonator does a good job imitating his speech patterns.
I like the cast commentary on The Two Towers... specifically Dom Monahan and Billy Boyd... who pretend to be really arrogant, making a big deal of how Merry and Pippin (almost) singlehandedly defeated saruman, etc. While Aragorn barely saved Helm's Deep.
That'd make head shots a bitch.
I'm in the process of rewatching robotech (yay Netflix) right now. That always impressed me, that a kids show (in the US anyway) had people die.
If they ever release the "All Min Mei's songs are 5 seconds long" or "She knows more than 3 songs" special edition, I'll buy the macross set.
Yeah. Goddamned music chain corrupted my spelling.
I'm just ahead of my time (for once)
True, but the Slashdot day is GMT, and april 1 started a couple of hours ago.
And for having a good attitude about it, you are promoted to "Admiral Obvious"
*applause*
I wonder if this is a good marketing idea... Offer something really unusual on April 1... if enough people bite, then actually do it. Otherwise, call it a joke.
A radio station I know did that, by accident. They changed from top40 to disco one day (this was like 1993) for 12 hours. But then people started calling up with "Where's the disco?" and they had to change formats...
Shit, I read it that way as I typed it. I had to check it twice to make sure that's not what I had just said.
That at the time of posting, it was already April 1 in israel... should be at GMT any second now... let the games begin.
I gave my two weeks because my boss was/is very cool (he gave an excellent recommendation to my current employer), and I didn't wanna screw him. I specifically asked for the highest person in HR to speak to in my exit interview. When they asked if I'd ever recommend Keane to a friend, I said "Not a chance in Hell". That interview was the most fun I've ever had with HR.
I don't mind Photoshop designs, so long as the person doing 'em knows what HTML can do.
:)
Couple of years ago I (a lowly coder scrub) told a director (over a couple of hundred people) that the design that some ad firm made up wouldn't work. We're talking everything with rounded corners, overlapping, with dropshadows everywhere and some weird ass font for all the text. And it was all "critical" to have. On any browser. On any platform. Over a 28K modem.
Now, I'm a hell of an HTML hack. I've committed more cross-browser rendering engine abuse than is legal. But what she wanted was flat out impossible in HTML (in Flash, sure...).
After being shot down multiple times in a big meeting, I'd had it. I just said "Look, it DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. If your designers can figure out how, I'd be very impressed". So she gives me an "I'll show you" look and tells the designers to produce an HTML prototype.
A week later the revised design (sans impossible stuff) was on my desk. Bitch
The way I see it, there's little difference between me using my body as a stockman (I'm a big/tall guy) in a wherehouse to get through school and a girl taking off her clothes to do the same. If someone will pay you well based on your genetics, why not go for it?
(I told this to a stripper that must have felt guilty, because she was justifying her job to me... she felt better.)
Good point. Death by irony would be bad.
No shit. The boss knows how to do HTML and so now they are our tech equals... I HATE "Photoshop Developers". Graphic artists are fine. Design people are fine. But those who think that they are coders because they did a mouseOver irritate me beyond belief.
Eh, over ar fark.com, they like to use "The site got farked!". Sounds dirty, yet amusing...
Damn, does ANYONE like that company? (I don't I quit the fools last year...)
Thanks for proving my point.