Well, if you have a simplish problem where you need to do some calculations on some data, what would be a better solution than whipping out an Excel (or equivalent) sheet with the data and the calculations?
Well, unless you mean something along the lines of "if Excel is the right solution, then Google Docs spreadsheet is even more right solution", then I can't really argue for common desktop use case. In mobile case (like Android + Google Docs vs. WP7 + it's office apps), I haven't tried so I don't know, but I suspect MS solution will give superior user experience in that case.
Office supports all kinds of scripting. Would Apple allow apps with such scripting support on it's app store? Would Apple allow the iDevice Office version access MS online services? Unless they've changed pretty recently, I'm under impression that anything like that is a big no-no with Apple, apps which even hint at having that kind of functionality simply rejected.
If Apple would not make exception with MS, then the iDevice MS Office would be seriously crippled, so much so that MS might be right in deciding it does not want to do that. MS is trying to develop office into a broad online offering, and I could see how Apple would not accept that on their devices.
Of course there's a different controversy of just how much scripting should office application documents support in the first place, but I'll not get into that here...
Yeah, good old Mercator. Distorting world view of "Westerners" since 16th century, even if it has some nice properties, which make it favourite choice of services like Google Maps even today.
But I hope, perhaps in vain, that anybody reading/. has at least vague understanding of the subject, considering how relevant it is today, with all the online maps around.
That's not really relevant to flash memory performance, hardware acceleration is just what puts the bottleneck squarely at flash throughput. If you have N x the pixels on screen, you'll need N x throughput for flash memory, or the app will either load slower, or it will not take advantage of the resolution and needs to resort to real time scaling (which is ok, but far cry from proper "photoshop" scaling quality). Another thing is increase in camera megapixels, and also increase in acceptable thumbnail sizes, due to increased screen resolution. Hardware acceleration only starts to help once image data is in RAM.
writing smaller applications? Maybe, you know, stick to one thing and master it instead of spewing forth so many OSes, languages and nonsense that there's no hope of reigning in the software chaos? But don't worry, the hardware folks will pull a rabbit out of their hats (again), so that software geeks never, ever have to learn or change.
Or, you know, maybe mobile phone makers should stop making phones with increasing resolutions and CPU power and ability to do multitouch pan&zoom. It was a neat trick from Apple, first make people expect smooth pan&zoom at paltry 320x480 resolution. And then the resolution creeps up to sizes like today's 800x1280 in the latest tablet-phone hybrids, where people expect apps to take advantage of the resolution, but still have equally smooth scrolling. That's like 6x bandwidth increasnig throught the graphics processing pipeline. CPU has kinda kept up (with multicore), but sadly, flash has not.
What? Did you think the US was the only thing in the universe with two coasts?
Yeah, but Africa is so small. Only 6 letters. Also Africa is about the size of Greenland, as irrefutably proven by this map. And Greenland has only about 50k people. That's how small Africa is, and so stuff like "which coast" is rather irrelevant.
Progress for the sake of progress alone, that's what you say, right?
Well, isn't "raw" science progress for the sake of progress alone? That's very anti-science attitude there you have there;)
I think something usable will come out of Unity and Gnome3. Eventually. Probably with different name. Traditional desktop UIs are going down shortly anyway, because after Win8 comes out, it'll take like half a year until all laptops and desktop monitors sold will be touch screen devices. At that point, Linux better have a good, evolved, mainsteam touch-based DE.
I got an ExoPC Slate last year at a conference for development. Since MeeGo is a no go, I'm waiting for Android on x86 to be usable so I can finally put it to work.
Just install the Windows 8 preview on it, for now...
Dark energy and dark matter are simply lazy science. The problem is that physics is wrong, or at least incomplete, not that there's some invisible force guiding matter to do strange things that leave only highly questionable evidence behind.
I think and hope above post was aiming for "funny", not for "troll"... And I certainly hope it was not aiming for "In*" moderation...
...dark matter eventually turns out to be like luminiferous aether from the 19th century? I don't believe anyone has directly observed dark matter.
Well, we haven't observed directly very many things, we've just observed side effect [of side effects [of side effects [...]]] of many things we "know" to exist.
I think it's pretty safe to think "dark matter stuff exists", much like it's safe to think "there's stuff inside Jupiter". We don't know what it is, we can only make educated guesses, but we know there must be "something", and we even have pretty tight conditions for what this "something" can or can't be like.
And, apparently we've made maps of dark matter density. That's one thing setting conditions on what it can be. Like, if it lumps together like that, it must be bound together, probably gravitationally, but we probably can't rule out some yet-unknown natural force which only affects dark matter stuff.
It's not only a choice between: do what your gov't forces you under the gun point or GTFO.
There is another choice - fuck the government and the horse it rode in on. It's up to the individuals to make individual choices and to help those they want to help without being forced by the guns of gov't officials.
Ron Paul 2012.
But the thing is, it's usually not just "fuck the government", it's also "fuck everybody else". And yes, people do that. "Fuck everybody else". That's what crime is be all about, for instance... And just because you haven't been caught yet doesn't mean it's not metaphorically "at gunpoint", once you've crossed the line into crime (and interestingly, many criminals don't think they're really criminals).
So I think I'll stay with my assesment: play by the rules, ultimately "at gunpoint" (which includes becoming a criminal to avoid that), or GTFO, to a society which is more to your liking. The third choice is open revolution, since political movement is "playing by the rules". And no, something like tax evasion is not starting a revolution, it falls in the "fuck everybody" category.
I'm not saying it's black&white, and I'm certainly not saying government represents "will of the people" all that well, but in cases like society deciding to "socialistically" take care of the sick via public health care, it is pretty black&white. Other things, like many forms of social security, I can see as more gray area, but even then same applies "play by the rules, or GTFO... or start a revolution."
"We" allow protests, because certain amount of freedom has proven to be a successful recipe. If it weren't, we might be living in a "communist" society after cold war would have been won by the communist block (or something else).
Also, allowing protests is generally good idea, because if they're not allowed, there's bound to be revolution attempts, and they tend to succeed, sooner or later.
Grossly simplified, this is why we do allow protesting.
Note: I'm not so much saying that public health care is the way to go (that's my personal opinion, but I recognize it as that), I'm saying that society has right decide that public health care is the way to go, and am happy to live in a society which has made that decision. I happen to think, that health care (which, essentially, should try to minimize need for itself, ie. keep people healthy) and corporate market economy (which, essentially, is faceless amoral entities seeking short term business growth by all means possible) are very hard to mix, due to conflicting goals.
So your solution is to force others at gunpoint to do it? I'm all for helping others but making it mandatory is evil. The ends don't justify the means.
IMNSHO, "help to maintain the society you live in, as agreed by the society collectively, while doing your small part to steer the society to the direction your want, or GTFO" is perfectly fair deal. From this follows, it's perfectly valid to decide on what needs to be done, then collect taxes to do it, even when "it" is public health care system. And, same as for example requiring kids to be taught to read and write, ultimately everything required by so called civilized society is "at gunpoint".
Agreed. I alias rm to 'rm -i' so that I have to at least type -f if I really mean it:)
...and then, you get into habit of using -f when you're sure you want to delete, and soon you get the habit of using -f with rm. Which, needless to say, is pretty dangerous habit to have.
I guess we basically agree, except I'd perhaps say, Qt is alternative infrstructure to something like Boost, because there are also libs furher extending Qt.
I wonder if any of the GUI frameworks are any better? Maybe wxWidgets is more pure C++, but that's just a guess.
Also, interoperatibility is little better if you have C++11, becuase then Qt containers provide consturctors taking std::initializer_list<T>. Also, with Qt5, signals can be connected to lambdas and plain functions too, not just QObject slot methods, which I think opens up a few new ways to interoperate with other libs/frameworks.
Anyway, what you wrote sounds very much like the classic case of trying to take a framework designed to be used in certain way, and use it "your way", such as use exceptions in certain way.
I'll agree with everything you said with only one nit: What you call "your way" is the normal C++ way. The problem isn't that Qt has an impedance mismatch with me, it's that it has an impedance mismatch with C++. It even made sense at the time. However, given that it's nominally written in C++ and for C++, it causes problems today.
If you care to continue, what problems are you referring to, exactly? What do you want to do, that using Qt in your application prevents you from doing easily?
"Doomsday evangelists"? Just check the extinction rates. Even without climate change, we're in the middle of a very rapid mass extinction, and this is just by raw numbers. Climate change is only going to make it worse, no matter the cause.
How this mass extinction is going to affect humanity is another matter, since we have ability maintain many of the other species we depend on, but it won't be pretty even then.
You should have bought the Super Expander. It was not really problem with BASIC langauge generally, it was problem with Commodores decision to not give access to most of the computer's features...
That being said,
FOR I=7680 TO 8191:POKE I,99+(I AND 3):NEXT
Now do that with any modern language on PC in about as many chars of source code!
I can give some real examples. First, there's the fact that Python uses spaces for indenting. Two characters to indent one level. Fine... except when someone's editor inserts a tab.
You don't use hard tabs in python code. And if you have legacy Python code which you don't want to mess up, it's exactly 8 spaces for tab, no more and no less. To suggest anything else is heresy against the Python BDFL, and heretics have no business commenting on a language.
Anyway, if you mix tabs and spaces in your code, you're being blatantly evil. And if you use only tabs, you're being subtly evil and/or wanting to feel smugly superior, and just trying to hide it behind "let everybody decide their own tab size", when you full well know people will not bother, and will feel miserable when they run out of horizontal screen space because default tab size is usually 8 (it's also the only right tab size, but because there's no non-evil way to actually use tabs, it doesn't matter much).
That any advanced alien race has *ever* visited the vicinity of our world. As Douglas Adams put it, "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
Yeah, but size of space is just n^3, which is easily outpaced by exponential population growth. In other words, if interstellar expansion of a civilization is possible, this civilization will fill the galaxy in matter of millions to hundreds of millions of years, depending on speed of interstellar travel (size of our galaxy is in the scale of mere hundred thousand light years). And assuming no available "infinite" energy sources ("hyperspace tap", "infinite zero-point energy", "portable white holes", "quark reactor", whatever scifi stuff), with that level of technology, every energy-providing star would be potential site for colonization (whatever that might mean with that level to technology). So, it'd be expected that every star in such a galaxy would have "alien presence". And maybe they do, we just don't see them (because we just don't have the technology to see whatever we'd need to see to see them, or because they're intentionally hiding).
So looking at our Moon is far from unreasonable. Even if the "aliens" wouldn't normally mess with planets (be it for cultural or technological or some incomprehensible to us reason), or if they're actually hiding, if they ever did anything, our moon is one of the best places to look for signs of past activity.
But I'm not holding my breath on this one.
I mean, holding breath in vacuum is dangerous, it may rupture lungs so easily. It's safer to just let the air go, even if it means very rapid unconsciousness and death from lack of oxygen.
Well, there's difference between "life on Earth" and "current life on Earth".
The worst genocidal crazies probably were the first oxygen generating (presumably) cyano-bacteria. They were responsible for perhaps the worst ever destruction of biosphere, first filling oceans and then atmosphere with highly toxic gas, wiping out most of the life as it was then. Yet I have hard time blaming those bacteria for what they did...
I'm actually more worried about humanity than anything else. Sun is getting hotter all the time as part of it's natural life cycle (or what we believe is the natural life cycle of a Sun-like star), and I think it's estimated that there's less than a billion years, possibly even just some hundreds of millions of years, before things get too hot and oceans start to evaporate, ending most life. Assuming appearance of intelligent life is not very common event, if we blow it, if we go extinct instead of spreading to our solar system and eventually to the stars, then that's end of story for Earth's life (and I'm defining that broadly, including for example any AI descendants of humanity).
Then again, I'm hopeful, because I'm pretty sure humans will be about the last vertebrates to go extinct at this point. We just know too much, and more importantly we have learned how to know more, and even after any civilizaton-wiping disaster, survivors will have a planet covered with artifacts from today, to spur them on the road of scientific progress.
We could have a giant flameware over climate change debate, instead of climate change itself... Hmm, yes.... Dolt! You just don't get that debate is core of all human progress, and flame war is the ultimate form of debate, where only the strongest ideas survive to procreate! If you're not up for it, you should go home and start... knitting!
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Well, if you have a simplish problem where you need to do some calculations on some data, what would be a better solution than whipping out an Excel (or equivalent) sheet with the data and the calculations?
Well, unless you mean something along the lines of "if Excel is the right solution, then Google Docs spreadsheet is even more right solution", then I can't really argue for common desktop use case. In mobile case (like Android + Google Docs vs. WP7 + it's office apps), I haven't tried so I don't know, but I suspect MS solution will give superior user experience in that case.
Office supports all kinds of scripting. Would Apple allow apps with such scripting support on it's app store? Would Apple allow the iDevice Office version access MS online services? Unless they've changed pretty recently, I'm under impression that anything like that is a big no-no with Apple, apps which even hint at having that kind of functionality simply rejected.
If Apple would not make exception with MS, then the iDevice MS Office would be seriously crippled, so much so that MS might be right in deciding it does not want to do that. MS is trying to develop office into a broad online offering, and I could see how Apple would not accept that on their devices.
Of course there's a different controversy of just how much scripting should office application documents support in the first place, but I'll not get into that here...
Yeah, good old Mercator. Distorting world view of "Westerners" since 16th century, even if it has some nice properties, which make it favourite choice of services like Google Maps even today.
But I hope, perhaps in vain, that anybody reading /. has at least vague understanding of the subject, considering how relevant it is today, with all the online maps around.
That's not really relevant to flash memory performance, hardware acceleration is just what puts the bottleneck squarely at flash throughput. If you have N x the pixels on screen, you'll need N x throughput for flash memory, or the app will either load slower, or it will not take advantage of the resolution and needs to resort to real time scaling (which is ok, but far cry from proper "photoshop" scaling quality). Another thing is increase in camera megapixels, and also increase in acceptable thumbnail sizes, due to increased screen resolution. Hardware acceleration only starts to help once image data is in RAM.
writing smaller applications? Maybe, you know, stick to one thing and master it instead of spewing forth so many OSes, languages and nonsense that there's no hope of reigning in the software chaos? But don't worry, the hardware folks will pull a rabbit out of their hats (again), so that software geeks never, ever have to learn or change.
Or, you know, maybe mobile phone makers should stop making phones with increasing resolutions and CPU power and ability to do multitouch pan&zoom. It was a neat trick from Apple, first make people expect smooth pan&zoom at paltry 320x480 resolution. And then the resolution creeps up to sizes like today's 800x1280 in the latest tablet-phone hybrids, where people expect apps to take advantage of the resolution, but still have equally smooth scrolling. That's like 6x bandwidth increasnig throught the graphics processing pipeline. CPU has kinda kept up (with multicore), but sadly, flash has not.
Wrong side of the continent...
What? Did you think the US was the only thing in the universe with two coasts?
Yeah, but Africa is so small. Only 6 letters. Also Africa is about the size of Greenland, as irrefutably proven by this map. And Greenland has only about 50k people. That's how small Africa is, and so stuff like "which coast" is rather irrelevant.
Are you by chance a Gnome 3 developer?
Progress for the sake of progress alone, that's what you say, right?
Well, isn't "raw" science progress for the sake of progress alone? That's very anti-science attitude there you have there ;)
I think something usable will come out of Unity and Gnome3. Eventually. Probably with different name. Traditional desktop UIs are going down shortly anyway, because after Win8 comes out, it'll take like half a year until all laptops and desktop monitors sold will be touch screen devices. At that point, Linux better have a good, evolved, mainsteam touch-based DE.
I got an ExoPC Slate last year at a conference for development. Since MeeGo is a no go, I'm waiting for Android on x86 to be usable so I can finally put it to work.
Just install the Windows 8 preview on it, for now...
Dark energy and dark matter are simply lazy science.
The problem is that physics is wrong, or at least incomplete, not that there's some invisible force guiding matter to do strange things that leave only highly questionable evidence behind.
I think and hope above post was aiming for "funny", not for "troll"... And I certainly hope it was not aiming for "In*" moderation...
N.B. The string used in the example above has nothing to do with any of the string theories.
Of course it does. If you do the math right, that string will surely pop out of the sea of String Theories!
...dark matter eventually turns out to be like luminiferous aether from the 19th century? I don't believe anyone has directly observed dark matter.
Well, we haven't observed directly very many things, we've just observed side effect [of side effects [of side effects [...]]] of many things we "know" to exist.
I think it's pretty safe to think "dark matter stuff exists", much like it's safe to think "there's stuff inside Jupiter". We don't know what it is, we can only make educated guesses, but we know there must be "something", and we even have pretty tight conditions for what this "something" can or can't be like.
And, apparently we've made maps of dark matter density. That's one thing setting conditions on what it can be. Like, if it lumps together like that, it must be bound together, probably gravitationally, but we probably can't rule out some yet-unknown natural force which only affects dark matter stuff.
causes damage to the posters reputation
If the poster wasn't AC, maybe
Oh, no, that just means that everybody who ever posted as AC is is eligible for damages. Actually, this is a class action case!
False choice.
It's not only a choice between: do what your gov't forces you under the gun point or GTFO.
There is another choice - fuck the government and the horse it rode in on. It's up to the individuals to make individual choices and to help those they want to help without being forced by the guns of gov't officials.
Ron Paul 2012.
But the thing is, it's usually not just "fuck the government", it's also "fuck everybody else". And yes, people do that. "Fuck everybody else". That's what crime is be all about, for instance... And just because you haven't been caught yet doesn't mean it's not metaphorically "at gunpoint", once you've crossed the line into crime (and interestingly, many criminals don't think they're really criminals).
So I think I'll stay with my assesment: play by the rules, ultimately "at gunpoint" (which includes becoming a criminal to avoid that), or GTFO, to a society which is more to your liking. The third choice is open revolution, since political movement is "playing by the rules". And no, something like tax evasion is not starting a revolution, it falls in the "fuck everybody" category.
I'm not saying it's black&white, and I'm certainly not saying government represents "will of the people" all that well, but in cases like society deciding to "socialistically" take care of the sick via public health care, it is pretty black&white. Other things, like many forms of social security, I can see as more gray area, but even then same applies "play by the rules, or GTFO... or start a revolution."
"We" allow protests, because certain amount of freedom has proven to be a successful recipe. If it weren't, we might be living in a "communist" society after cold war would have been won by the communist block (or something else).
Also, allowing protests is generally good idea, because if they're not allowed, there's bound to be revolution attempts, and they tend to succeed, sooner or later.
Grossly simplified, this is why we do allow protesting.
Note: I'm not so much saying that public health care is the way to go (that's my personal opinion, but I recognize it as that), I'm saying that society has right decide that public health care is the way to go, and am happy to live in a society which has made that decision. I happen to think, that health care (which, essentially, should try to minimize need for itself, ie. keep people healthy) and corporate market economy (which, essentially, is faceless amoral entities seeking short term business growth by all means possible) are very hard to mix, due to conflicting goals.
can't afford their own healthcare
So your solution is to force others at gunpoint to do it? I'm all for helping others but making it mandatory is evil. The ends don't justify the means.
IMNSHO, "help to maintain the society you live in, as agreed by the society collectively, while doing your small part to steer the society to the direction your want, or GTFO" is perfectly fair deal. From this follows, it's perfectly valid to decide on what needs to be done, then collect taxes to do it, even when "it" is public health care system. And, same as for example requiring kids to be taught to read and write, ultimately everything required by so called civilized society is "at gunpoint".
Agreed. I alias rm to 'rm -i' so that I have to at least type -f if I really mean it :)
...and then, you get into habit of using -f when you're sure you want to delete, and soon you get the habit of using -f with rm. Which, needless to say, is pretty dangerous habit to have.
If the viewers can't find what they want on the tube, they'll get it somewhere else.
-jcr
Some of them will. Majority will just channel surf and watch the most bearable programmes they find.
I guess we basically agree, except I'd perhaps say, Qt is alternative infrstructure to something like Boost, because there are also libs furher extending Qt.
I wonder if any of the GUI frameworks are any better? Maybe wxWidgets is more pure C++, but that's just a guess.
Also, interoperatibility is little better if you have C++11, becuase then Qt containers provide consturctors taking std::initializer_list<T>. Also, with Qt5, signals can be connected to lambdas and plain functions too, not just QObject slot methods, which I think opens up a few new ways to interoperate with other libs/frameworks.
I'll agree with everything you said with only one nit: What you call "your way" is the normal C++ way. The problem isn't that Qt has an impedance mismatch with me, it's that it has an impedance mismatch with C++. It even made sense at the time. However, given that it's nominally written in C++ and for C++, it causes problems today.
If you care to continue, what problems are you referring to, exactly? What do you want to do, that using Qt in your application prevents you from doing easily?
"Doomsday evangelists"? Just check the extinction rates. Even without climate change, we're in the middle of a very rapid mass extinction, and this is just by raw numbers. Climate change is only going to make it worse, no matter the cause.
How this mass extinction is going to affect humanity is another matter, since we have ability maintain many of the other species we depend on, but it won't be pretty even then.
You should have bought the Super Expander. It was not really problem with BASIC langauge generally, it was problem with Commodores decision to not give access to most of the computer's features...
That being said,
FOR I=7680 TO 8191:POKE I,99+(I AND 3):NEXT
Now do that with any modern language on PC in about as many chars of source code!
I can give some real examples. First, there's the fact that Python uses spaces for indenting. Two characters to indent one level. Fine... except when someone's editor inserts a tab.
You don't use hard tabs in python code. And if you have legacy Python code which you don't want to mess up, it's exactly 8 spaces for tab, no more and no less. To suggest anything else is heresy against the Python BDFL, and heretics have no business commenting on a language.
Anyway, if you mix tabs and spaces in your code, you're being blatantly evil. And if you use only tabs, you're being subtly evil and/or wanting to feel smugly superior, and just trying to hide it behind "let everybody decide their own tab size", when you full well know people will not bother, and will feel miserable when they run out of horizontal screen space because default tab size is usually 8 (it's also the only right tab size, but because there's no non-evil way to actually use tabs, it doesn't matter much).
That any advanced alien race has *ever* visited the vicinity of our world. As Douglas Adams put it, "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
Yeah, but size of space is just n^3, which is easily outpaced by exponential population growth. In other words, if interstellar expansion of a civilization is possible, this civilization will fill the galaxy in matter of millions to hundreds of millions of years, depending on speed of interstellar travel (size of our galaxy is in the scale of mere hundred thousand light years). And assuming no available "infinite" energy sources ("hyperspace tap", "infinite zero-point energy", "portable white holes", "quark reactor", whatever scifi stuff), with that level of technology, every energy-providing star would be potential site for colonization (whatever that might mean with that level to technology). So, it'd be expected that every star in such a galaxy would have "alien presence". And maybe they do, we just don't see them (because we just don't have the technology to see whatever we'd need to see to see them, or because they're intentionally hiding).
So looking at our Moon is far from unreasonable. Even if the "aliens" wouldn't normally mess with planets (be it for cultural or technological or some incomprehensible to us reason), or if they're actually hiding, if they ever did anything, our moon is one of the best places to look for signs of past activity.
But I'm not holding my breath on this one.
I mean, holding breath in vacuum is dangerous, it may rupture lungs so easily. It's safer to just let the air go, even if it means very rapid unconsciousness and death from lack of oxygen.
Well, there's difference between "life on Earth" and "current life on Earth".
The worst genocidal crazies probably were the first oxygen generating (presumably) cyano-bacteria. They were responsible for perhaps the worst ever destruction of biosphere, first filling oceans and then atmosphere with highly toxic gas, wiping out most of the life as it was then. Yet I have hard time blaming those bacteria for what they did...
I'm actually more worried about humanity than anything else. Sun is getting hotter all the time as part of it's natural life cycle (or what we believe is the natural life cycle of a Sun-like star), and I think it's estimated that there's less than a billion years, possibly even just some hundreds of millions of years, before things get too hot and oceans start to evaporate, ending most life. Assuming appearance of intelligent life is not very common event, if we blow it, if we go extinct instead of spreading to our solar system and eventually to the stars, then that's end of story for Earth's life (and I'm defining that broadly, including for example any AI descendants of humanity).
Then again, I'm hopeful, because I'm pretty sure humans will be about the last vertebrates to go extinct at this point. We just know too much, and more importantly we have learned how to know more, and even after any civilizaton-wiping disaster, survivors will have a planet covered with artifacts from today, to spur them on the road of scientific progress.
We could have a giant flameware over climate change debate, instead of climate change itself... Hmm, yes.... Dolt! You just don't get that debate is core of all human progress, and flame war is the ultimate form of debate, where only the strongest ideas survive to procreate! If you're not up for it, you should go home and start... knitting!