I don't know about you folks, but for me, when it comes to Desktop Linux, the journey really is much more rewarding and interesting than the destination.
I guess, to some degree that is because I started using Linux as my main desktop close to five years ago, but also because I am aware that profound social changes take time.
I think the key to the desktop is preloaded machines by big-vendor being available at retail stores. Only when the vendors have a stake in the success of Linux will they make sure that the peripherals state on the box that "it runs on Linux".
As someone who worked in Guatemala, where thousands of peasants were routinely killed during the early 1990s, I take great offense when someone assumes that I do not know what it is to face danger. I was part of a team of researchers who worked there for two years. By interviewing thousands of peasants, we were able to show a pattern in the killings, thereby proving that these were not random crimes but part of a broader and coordinated campaign.
Of course, you go out of your way to protect yourself and your sources from the government. For one, if you plan to do this, you don't announce it. You are there as a tourist, researcher if you will. But once you decide to write about it, you call oppression by its name. And you know that there are certain risks involved in doing so.
Had Roblimo wanted to do that, the publication of those articles could have waited. Rather, he wrote the kind of bland article that basically said, "Things are not good. People will tell you so privately. There is a lot of free speech in private". Well, isn't that revealing and isn't that a funny view what free speech is really about!
The point of hacktivism is to collect enough facts that if you are a citizen of a democratic government and have some leverage, your government can actually act by imposing sanctions. With a bit of luck and if the crimes are so horrendous and systematic that they constitute a crime against humanity, you may even get a brave judge to act on your information. Of course, Saudi Arabia enjoys a very special relationship with the US as evinced from the unwillingness of the current administration to look into the Saudi connection to 9/11, but given enough info Congress may eventually act.
In summary, hacktivism is very much about facing oppressing governments with facts. You do so in ways that protect your sources. But you do it.
If you plan to do this, you have set up beforehand a remote server(s) where you upload your encrypted files/info every hour/night. If you do not have the guts to face the military/secret police, then you should not be involved in this type of inquiry. But it occurs to me that once you have a golden opportunity to expose a vicious dictatorship, it is a reporter's job to do it.
Ps: Your name-calling is a little preposterous and childish.
I am sorry if this seemed unduly personal. It just seemed to me like you had a golden opportunity to do some real investigative reporting. This is not to say that the articles were not interesting.
If I seem senstitive to the cause of freedom is, well, because I am. My parents spent the greater part of their lives under a repressive dictatorship. This made me very sensitive to the issue of free speech from an early age..
I look forward to your future articles about what you saw in Saudi Arabia, but I don't believe that Newsforge/Slashdot are strictly technology sites because I don't think they can be. Technology lives at the intersection of society and politics and a good tech site must deal with both.
"GPL'd software is simply not intended to achieve this goal."
The GPL may not in the letter of the license require you to use to pursue some notion of the Aristotelian good, but the spirit of the license clear does. Anyone who is familiar with the work of the free software foundation and Richard Stallman's ideas and motivations must realize this much.
Roblimo's article highlight -perhaps inadvertently- the important and profound differences between the open source and free software communities. While these communities collaborate as a practical matter, and may need each other for their survival, one is political and principled, the other pragmatic and concerned overall with technological imperatives.
So is there a problem with this? I believe there is. You see, Microsoft, or any other software development house, can afford to optimize its development methodology or even start from scratch a la Apple, if it really became all that self-evident to them that they were technically and financially failing. So one of two things can happen:
1) if they throw enough money at the problem, they will match our technical achivements. Apple started from scratch and has produced a decent OS built on top of BSD/Darwin/Mach. So it is doable.
2) They do not match our technical achiviements. Yet at the end of the day, if the only thing we care about is having an open source operating system regardless of whether it advances the cause of freedom, then the labor of love of all these years will seem a little less meaningful to many of us. To me, it will be all seem pretty hollow.
And here's where I have a problem with Roblimo's articles. He does not question the irony that the Saudy monarchy is using free software to exercise censorship and control. Even if some of can be circumvented, it is perversed to those that believe in Free Software to see this happen. And in respecting the freedom of the license, we must allow it, but we should call oppression by its name when we come across it and he did not have the guts to do it.
He could have looked for hactivists in Saudi Arabia to see what tools they were using and how they were furthering the cause of freedom. He could have spoken to dissidents, but he didin't. It's easy to stay at a comfy hotel and write from the sidelines. It's easier to be an expectator paying lipservice to free softaware than to stand up for what free softare actually represents.
In summary, being technically superior without being morally committed to the cause of freedom is a very hollow undertaking.
And as others have pointed out, you will have a noticeable quiality loss, because you are going back and forth between formats (AAC and MP3) that are NOT lossless.
I just found that episode of South Park fitting to the topic at hand and funny.
But I am serious about the need to think about the long-term implications of toying with nature. What you describe with regards to caulifower and broccoli is relatively simple in comparison to some of the things being contemplated right now.
How facetious can you be? Those numbers don't mean what you think they mean.
When you say that the poorest 50% earn 13% of the nations income, but only pay 4% of the nations tax, you forget to tell us what is the purchasing power of the poorest 50% and whether their income is sufficient to provide for housing, food and medical care. As you relate the increasing cost of these to their income over a historical period, say the last 30 years, you see that their standard of living has gotten steadily worse.
But it is easier to twist the numbers and pontificate than to look at reality.
Of course, they contribute less to the overall tax collection. That is because they make a lot less. It's called progressive taxation. If you removed your ideological prism, you would see that taxing everybody equally is not fair.
A 17% tax for a person making $20,000 is quite a bit of money and it has a direct impact on their ability to house and feed themselves. A 45% tax on a $1m income still lets you lead a good live, while contributing according to your wealth.
Thus, half the country is not riding on anybody's cottails. They work hard and simply do not make enough to bear a higher burden. If you consider the huge tax gifts that the rich have been given over the past few years, it stands to reason that there has been a veritable tranfer of wealth.
Maybe it would be better if we stopped toying with nature. Maybe we should leave the four-assed monkeys schematics alone and let nature take its course...
All hail Neo Garcia, our pre-annexation comma induced leader that has finally waken up to face the sentinels in the final battle between good-and-evil to be waged here on Slashdot.
So you would rather have us be screwed by tax-the-poor-give-back-to-the-rich Republicans that cut basic services across the board and maintain the country in an ongoing state of fear not realizing that it is their misguided foreign policy that puts us at risk?
And no, the US is not in Iraq to spread democracy. If the spread of democracy and human rights were the overriding principle that guides US foreign policy, why is it that we maintain such cordial relationships with China, Pakistan, or Turkey?
It is the same old-boys network that believes the world is its playground to pollute and plunder, elections are only an unnecesary inconvenience and the developing world is one massive slave factory to produce the goods that show up in our department stores, stores that are packed with cheap immigrant labor which is too afraid to speak up and demand its rights for fear of retribution?
One last thing, I feel so bad for you knowing that the average American makes half of the $50,000 that you can hardly live on? Really, I do. You must be going through a very difficult time.
No, because X is a transparent technology or at least it should be. The average user should only need to interact with the X server to change his graphical resolution and depth. This is already in place or coming to a distribution near you. Look at Suse 9.0 or Mandrake's cooker.
A small summary of what can be done with X should be presented to the user. He is not likely to need such functionality, and if he is, then he probably has the cognitive tools to do a bit of googling or pick up any of a host of books, including all the RH Bible books, that describe it in very simple terms.
All of the advanced uses are there for those that need them. Exporting an X display isn't exactly rocket science. A quick google search will lead you to it.
If he needs to understand X at greater depth, then he will not mind doing the research.
I am glad I am not the only one noticing this. If this trend continues, it will clearly dilute the quality of the discussion here at Slashdot. What do people gain by plagiarizing other people's posts?
I think the instincts that have driven
you to create a new distribution are very much correct. But let me
reiterate a few things that I as a user think are important:
A community distribution that
serves as an active and clear implementation of an evolving LSB that
both software and hardware manufacturers can focus on.
A community distribution that
honors the lofty goals that those working on Linux set out to
accomplish. This means no-pear seat licensing, in fact, no onerous
licensing terms of any sort. Red Hat or SUSE are to expensive for
the developing world and even for small non-profits in the US,
simply because they added cost of their yearly support agreements is
beyond what they can pay. For the record, I am currently using
Mandrake as I can freely redistribute it and the keep their security
updates on a distributed network of FTP servers, the way that Linux
was traditionally distributed. In summary, it is paramount to have a
distribution that commits to keeping security updates for at least
three years.
Bruce, don't start anew. Linux is
all about standing on the shoulders of giants. So if you can adapt
Anaconda or Mandrake's installer to your distribution, all the
better. These are good and tested tools. The same goes for
configuration tools. Borrow as much as you can. Ark Linux also looks
very promising and very integrated.
Software installation is not
difficult if you have the correct repositories. Preconfigure this
for the user and provide a tutorial that shows them how to add new
software. Adjust expectations by telling him that all software will
be now available just a click away. URPMI and apt-get are great
tools. Make them look pretty a la Lindows and the problem is solved.
The desktop is far more complex
than it is made out to be. It's not just about email, office
software and mp3 playing. It's about accounting and
instant-messaging and multimedia. Let's popularize the ogg format a
hell of a lot more. Let's include in the distribution's web site a
list of radio sites that broadcast in ogg ( i have such a list).
Let's work on getting Realplay to really open up its format as they
said they would do with their Helix player. All of these things need
to happen.
Finally, I think your distribution
should link a lot more closely with Linux true power base: the LUGs.
Work with them, talk to them, make it easy for them to promote it.
Make it easy for them to be involved. A Pan-lug UserLinux forum
would be a great thing. I am looking forward to the day when we can
differentiate at a higher level of system design. Distribution
differences, particularly on the desktop, are getting old. If you
are a successful, you may lead other distributions to join forces
with you. At least, I would that the smaller ones, ArkLinux,
VectorLinux, Yoper and even Mandrake would.
Every saturday, I work with kids at the Liberty City Learning Center, a technology center in Miami that has a Linux lab.
If there is something that I have learned from watching these kids is that they take with the same proficiency to any interface, whether it is GNOME or KDE or Windows. The important thing is consistency and someone to guide them a bit initially.
They explore and learn. They have no fear. I have had kids as young as 4 and years old. It was incredible to see them dragging and dropping things in "Potato Guy". Because I can encourage them to do anything they want without fear of "breaking anything", they learn very quickly.
The director of the center, Sam Mason, made the transition to Linux from Windows without issues. What's remarkable about this? He is well into his seventies.
In summary, most discussions about easy of use are clouded by the agendas of those making the arguments. I have had very little exposure to the Mackintosh. This means that whenever I have to work on one, I have a hard time initially. Not very they are difficult, but because my behavioral expectations are a little different.
No, X doesn't need to be rewritten. Improved, yes, rewritten no.
9 out of ten, those people that bitch and complain about X simply do not understand it.
Sorry to hijack this very interesting broadcast on Spamming. But wouldn't the proposed tactics also be useful with our friends in Utah?
Send them a windfall of daily inquiries about their product line from their "ever growing customer base" of Slashdot readers. I mean, aren't you guys interested in getting the scoop on all the latest and greatest offerings that they may have to offer?
I have heard that the next version of Uselessware has a built-in posting prioritizer that greatly improves your chances of reaching the ever-more-desirable nirvana of a first post.
I am not bitching. I am suggesting that Debian is making a concerted effort to create a usable mainstream desktop. There is now a very clear emphasis on usability.
Furthermore, it is unfortunate that many do not understand that Debian is not just Debian, it is Linex, one of the friendliest distributions and one of the most widely deployed in Spain.
Finally, going back to the point of platform ownership. I think this is a distinct asset that the free software world can offer and an unencumbered distribution like Debian has an advantage over Red Hat.
For the record, and until April 30, my laptop runs Red Hat 9. It works great and I don't have the time to upgrade right now. About once every year is about right for me.
What are these goals that you speak of? How are they so different? Unless you mean to tell me that Fedora is just a bone thrown to the open source community so that we do their beta testing without reaping any of the rewards.
If Red Hat wanted to encourage a sense of ownership in Fedora and also see whether the open source community could build a better Red Hat than Red Hat, one which Red Hat could no doubt use in the future, why not base Fedora on Debian, thereby uniting two of the largest open source communities on the planet?
Not onlyw would this make software installation in the Linux world a moot point, but wouldn't this also provide a great test case for open source development?
Thanks
Slashdot Mirror
I don't know about you folks, but for me, when it comes to Desktop Linux, the journey really is much more rewarding and interesting than the destination.
I guess, to some degree that is because I started using Linux as my main desktop close to five years ago, but also because I am aware that profound social changes take time.
I think the key to the desktop is preloaded machines by big-vendor being available at retail stores. Only when the vendors have a stake in the success of Linux will they make sure that the peripherals state on the box that "it runs on Linux".
I have been using it for a year with no negative side-effects. Of course, I do backups every week.
I am running Plone on a 400 MHz machine with 384MB of RAM, so not exactly a top of the line machine. And it works beautifully.
As someone who worked in Guatemala, where thousands of peasants were routinely killed during the early 1990s, I take great offense when someone assumes that I do not know what it is to face danger. I was part of a team of researchers who worked there for two years. By interviewing thousands of peasants, we were able to show a pattern in the killings, thereby proving that these were not random crimes but part of a broader and coordinated campaign.
Of course, you go out of your way to protect yourself and your sources from the government. For one, if you plan to do this, you don't announce it. You are there as a tourist, researcher if you will. But once you decide to write about it, you call oppression by its name. And you know that there are certain risks involved in doing so.
Had Roblimo wanted to do that, the publication of those articles could have waited. Rather, he wrote the kind of bland article that basically said, "Things are not good. People will tell you so privately. There is a lot of free speech in private". Well, isn't that revealing and isn't that a funny view what free speech is really about!
The point of hacktivism is to collect enough facts that if you are a citizen of a democratic government and have some leverage, your government can actually act by imposing sanctions. With a bit of luck and if the crimes are so horrendous and systematic that they constitute a crime against humanity, you may even get a brave judge to act on your information. Of course, Saudi Arabia enjoys a very special relationship with the US as evinced from the unwillingness of the current administration to look into the Saudi connection to 9/11, but given enough info Congress may eventually act.
In summary, hacktivism is very much about facing oppressing governments with facts. You do so in ways that protect your sources. But you do it.
If you plan to do this, you have set up beforehand a remote server(s) where you upload your encrypted files/info every hour/night. If you do not have the guts to face the military/secret police, then you should not be involved in this type of inquiry. But it occurs to me that once you have a golden opportunity to expose a vicious dictatorship, it is a reporter's job to do it.
Ps: Your name-calling is a little preposterous and childish.
Robin,
I am sorry if this seemed unduly personal. It just seemed to me like you had a golden opportunity to do some real investigative reporting. This is not to say that the articles were not interesting.
If I seem senstitive to the cause of freedom is, well, because I am. My parents spent the greater part of their lives under a repressive dictatorship. This made me very sensitive to the issue of free speech from an early age..
I look forward to your future articles about what you saw in Saudi Arabia, but I don't believe that Newsforge/Slashdot are strictly technology sites because I don't think they can be. Technology lives at the intersection of society and politics and a good tech site must deal with both.
Anyway, I am off to enjoy the beautiful weather.
"GPL'd software is simply not intended to achieve this goal."
The GPL may not in the letter of the license require you to use to pursue some notion of the Aristotelian good, but the spirit of the license clear does. Anyone who is familiar with the work of the free software foundation and Richard Stallman's ideas and motivations must realize this much.
Roblimo's article highlight -perhaps inadvertently- the important and profound differences between the open source and free software communities. While these communities collaborate as a practical matter, and may need each other for their survival, one is political and principled, the other pragmatic and concerned overall with technological imperatives.
So is there a problem with this? I believe there is. You see, Microsoft, or any other software development house, can afford to optimize its development methodology or even start from scratch a la Apple, if it really became all that self-evident to them that they were technically and financially failing. So one of two things can happen:
1) if they throw enough money at the problem, they will match our technical achivements. Apple started from scratch and has produced a decent OS built on top of BSD/Darwin/Mach. So it is doable.
2) They do not match our technical achiviements. Yet at the end of the day, if the only thing we care about is having an open source operating system regardless of whether it advances the cause of freedom, then the labor of love of all these years will seem a little less meaningful to many of us. To me, it will be all seem pretty hollow.
And here's where I have a problem with Roblimo's articles. He does not question the irony that the Saudy monarchy is using free software to exercise censorship and control. Even if some of can be circumvented, it is perversed to those that believe in Free Software to see this happen. And in respecting the freedom of the license, we must allow it, but we should call oppression by its name when we come across it and he did not have the guts to do it.
He could have looked for hactivists in Saudi Arabia to see what tools they were using and how they were furthering the cause of freedom. He could have spoken to dissidents, but he didin't. It's easy to stay at a comfy hotel and write from the sidelines. It's easier to be an expectator paying lipservice to free softaware than to stand up for what free softare actually represents.
In summary, being technically superior without being morally committed to the cause of freedom is a very hollow undertaking.
And as others have pointed out, you will have a noticeable quiality loss, because you are going back and forth between formats (AAC and MP3) that are NOT lossless.
Dude, I was joking...
I just found that episode of South Park fitting to the topic at hand and funny.
But I am serious about the need to think about the long-term implications of toying with nature. What you describe with regards to caulifower and broccoli is relatively simple in comparison to some of the things being contemplated right now.
How facetious can you be? Those numbers don't mean what you think they mean.
When you say that the poorest 50% earn 13% of the nations income, but only pay 4% of the nations tax, you forget to tell us what is the purchasing power of the poorest 50% and whether their income is sufficient to provide for housing, food and medical care. As you relate the increasing cost of these to their income over a historical period, say the last 30 years, you see that their standard of living has gotten steadily worse.
But it is easier to twist the numbers and pontificate than to look at reality.
Of course, they contribute less to the overall tax collection. That is because they make a lot less. It's called progressive taxation. If you removed your ideological prism, you would see that taxing everybody equally is not fair.
A 17% tax for a person making $20,000 is quite a bit of money and it has a direct impact on their ability to house and feed themselves. A 45% tax on a $1m income still lets you lead a good live, while contributing according to your wealth.
Thus, half the country is not riding on anybody's cottails. They work hard and simply do not make enough to bear a higher burden. If you consider the huge tax gifts that the rich have been given over the past few years, it stands to reason that there has been a veritable tranfer of wealth.
Maybe it would be better if we stopped toying with nature. Maybe we should leave the four-assed monkeys schematics alone and let nature take its course...
I am dead serious, by the way.
All hail Neo Garcia, our pre-annexation comma induced leader that has finally waken up to face the sentinels in the final battle between good-and-evil to be waged here on Slashdot.
I hope that that slashcode matrix can take it.
So you would rather have us be screwed by tax-the-poor-give-back-to-the-rich Republicans that cut basic services across the board and maintain the country in an ongoing state of fear not realizing that it is their misguided foreign policy that puts us at risk?
And no, the US is not in Iraq to spread democracy. If the spread of democracy and human rights were the overriding principle that guides US foreign policy, why is it that we maintain such cordial relationships with China, Pakistan, or Turkey?
It is the same old-boys network that believes the world is its playground to pollute and plunder, elections are only an unnecesary inconvenience and the developing world is one massive slave factory to produce the goods that show up in our department stores, stores that are packed with cheap immigrant labor which is too afraid to speak up and demand its rights for fear of retribution?
One last thing, I feel so bad for you knowing that the average American makes half of the $50,000 that you can hardly live on? Really, I do. You must be going through a very difficult time.
No, because X is a transparent technology or at least it should be. The average user should only need to interact with the X server to change his graphical resolution and depth. This is already in place or coming to a distribution near you. Look at Suse 9.0 or Mandrake's cooker. A small summary of what can be done with X should be presented to the user. He is not likely to need such functionality, and if he is, then he probably has the cognitive tools to do a bit of googling or pick up any of a host of books, including all the RH Bible books, that describe it in very simple terms. All of the advanced uses are there for those that need them. Exporting an X display isn't exactly rocket science. A quick google search will lead you to it. If he needs to understand X at greater depth, then he will not mind doing the research.
I am glad I am not the only one noticing this. If this trend continues, it will clearly dilute the quality of the discussion here at Slashdot. What do people gain by plagiarizing other people's posts?
I think the instincts that have driven you to create a new distribution are very much correct. But let me reiterate a few things that I as a user think are important:
A community distribution that serves as an active and clear implementation of an evolving LSB that both software and hardware manufacturers can focus on.
A community distribution that honors the lofty goals that those working on Linux set out to accomplish. This means no-pear seat licensing, in fact, no onerous licensing terms of any sort. Red Hat or SUSE are to expensive for the developing world and even for small non-profits in the US, simply because they added cost of their yearly support agreements is beyond what they can pay. For the record, I am currently using Mandrake as I can freely redistribute it and the keep their security updates on a distributed network of FTP servers, the way that Linux was traditionally distributed. In summary, it is paramount to have a distribution that commits to keeping security updates for at least three years.
Bruce, don't start anew. Linux is all about standing on the shoulders of giants. So if you can adapt Anaconda or Mandrake's installer to your distribution, all the better. These are good and tested tools. The same goes for configuration tools. Borrow as much as you can. Ark Linux also looks very promising and very integrated.
Software installation is not difficult if you have the correct repositories. Preconfigure this for the user and provide a tutorial that shows them how to add new software. Adjust expectations by telling him that all software will be now available just a click away. URPMI and apt-get are great tools. Make them look pretty a la Lindows and the problem is solved.
The desktop is far more complex than it is made out to be. It's not just about email, office software and mp3 playing. It's about accounting and instant-messaging and multimedia. Let's popularize the ogg format a hell of a lot more. Let's include in the distribution's web site a list of radio sites that broadcast in ogg ( i have such a list). Let's work on getting Realplay to really open up its format as they said they would do with their Helix player. All of these things need to happen.
Finally, I think your distribution should link a lot more closely with Linux true power base: the LUGs. Work with them, talk to them, make it easy for them to promote it. Make it easy for them to be involved. A Pan-lug UserLinux forum would be a great thing. I am looking forward to the day when we can differentiate at a higher level of system design. Distribution differences, particularly on the desktop, are getting old. If you are a successful, you may lead other distributions to join forces with you. At least, I would that the smaller ones, ArkLinux, VectorLinux, Yoper and even Mandrake would.
Suerte.
Every saturday, I work with kids at the Liberty City Learning Center, a technology center in Miami that has a Linux lab. If there is something that I have learned from watching these kids is that they take with the same proficiency to any interface, whether it is GNOME or KDE or Windows. The important thing is consistency and someone to guide them a bit initially. They explore and learn. They have no fear. I have had kids as young as 4 and years old. It was incredible to see them dragging and dropping things in "Potato Guy". Because I can encourage them to do anything they want without fear of "breaking anything", they learn very quickly. The director of the center, Sam Mason, made the transition to Linux from Windows without issues. What's remarkable about this? He is well into his seventies. In summary, most discussions about easy of use are clouded by the agendas of those making the arguments. I have had very little exposure to the Mackintosh. This means that whenever I have to work on one, I have a hard time initially. Not very they are difficult, but because my behavioral expectations are a little different.
No, X doesn't need to be rewritten. Improved, yes, rewritten no. 9 out of ten, those people that bitch and complain about X simply do not understand it.
Dude,you already posted this same exact comment before. Do you just repost stuff again and again?
Sorry to hijack this very interesting broadcast on Spamming. But wouldn't the proposed tactics also be useful with our friends in Utah? Send them a windfall of daily inquiries about their product line from their "ever growing customer base" of Slashdot readers. I mean, aren't you guys interested in getting the scoop on all the latest and greatest offerings that they may have to offer? I have heard that the next version of Uselessware has a built-in posting prioritizer that greatly improves your chances of reaching the ever-more-desirable nirvana of a first post.
I am not bitching. I am suggesting that Debian is making a concerted effort to create a usable mainstream desktop. There is now a very clear emphasis on usability.
Furthermore, it is unfortunate that many do not understand that Debian is not just Debian, it is Linex, one of the friendliest distributions and one of the most widely deployed in Spain.
Finally, going back to the point of platform ownership. I think this is a distinct asset that the free software world can offer and an unencumbered distribution like Debian has an advantage over Red Hat.
For the record, and until April 30, my laptop runs
Red Hat 9. It works great and I don't have the time to upgrade right now. About once every year is about right for me.
Good day.
What are these goals that you speak of? How are they so different? Unless you mean to tell me that Fedora is just a bone thrown to the open source community so that we do their beta testing without reaping any of the rewards.
If Red Hat wanted to encourage a sense of ownership in Fedora and also see whether the open source community could build a better Red Hat than Red Hat, one which Red Hat could no doubt use in the future, why not base Fedora on Debian, thereby uniting two of the largest open source communities on the planet? Not onlyw would this make software installation in the Linux world a moot point, but wouldn't this also provide a great test case for open source development? Thanks
Try arkLinux. It's all KDE and quite good. You may like it.