I am not defending these people but your analogy is broke:
I can stand in the rain, and in a shower, but if I stand in front of a firehose I'm going to go flying. If I stand in steam, I get burnt. If I stand in a shower too long I might get hypothermia, or if I drink too much I might... In this analogy I see plenty of room for uncertainty surrounding conditions of exposure.
That said, they are batshiat crazy, since the Universe is the firehose, and we're standing right in front of it. Wouldn't it be interesting if somehow it could be discovered that low-power EMF (ie atmospheric pressure water) was the culprit due to some unique properties, though?
I'm not prepared to say we know everything, but clearly there's way more science behind its safety than these people are willing to admit. I'm going to go with hypochondria.
I'm not apologizing for what is a 3 billion dollar boondoggle, matched only by the Canadian gun registry (which cost half of your computer system).
However, it is important to not that "off the shelf" aside from toughbooks, is not an option for the military. Clearly they screwed up royally here, but it is reasonable to expect the military's desire to work with proprietary technologies.
First of all with barely one pass started it is not at all impossible. First off chances are the OS layer will be destroyed first (wiping disks is most efficient and reliable in order).
In the time between surprise knock, entry and arrest, the harddrive will barely have the first GB wiped on first pass. The chances also that a pedophile has a substantial stash of evidence that cannot be destroyed in a massive way in an instant. All of this not to mention, one pass is insufficient to prevent retrieval. One must assume that unless more than one pass is complete, data (encrypted or not) is retrievable for a modest price ( 500$) For evidence, all you need to do is restore a portion anyway. Also, it couldn't be the ONLY evidence you have if you're prepared to go in no-knock.
It has been ruled that being forced to divulge a password is not subject to the fifth amendment and rightly so. You have the right to not self-incriminate. The data will incriminate you- not your password. It's the same reason you can't refuse to not reveal the contents of a safety deposit box if it is evidence in the crime. To not reveal the password is contempt of court. Evidence does not possess unalienable rights. That's why we call people witnesses and not evidence.
Regarding the government, the reason they don't do it for the common criminal is because it is prohibitively expensive. I also only suppose they are a decade ahead merely by means of technology and number crunching capabilities. You also don't even begin to address the susceptibility of encryption to brute force attacks. Pedophiles aren't exactly known for their smarts (hello! BLUR tool!)
A raid like that is NEVER justified for a non-violent criminal. You can't even argue that they ARE violent because they are pedophiles or rapists but the fact of the matter is a pedo without a gun is no threat to the cops. The only threat here is too the innocent and bystanders.
You only need one pass to scrub. If the police are bringing him downtown, that's a least a few hours. It'd be enough
Instead of busting in....Cops pay nice visit with warrant. Guy maybe gets one moment to press "destroy" button. Pass barely starts, only the first few hundred sectors are destroyed before the power is pulled. Easy to pull data from this drive (encrypted or not).
I have no idea what pedos are using, but they certainly don't need Quantum Encryption to block an investigation. Just install truecrypt and call it a day.
Truecrypt is only good if the suspect can't be compelled to reveal his password. Not revealing your password can be further evidence of obstruction and/or guilt. Laws are already on the books to compel suspects to provide their password. Furthermore, ACTA should further cement the "rights" of states to your encrypted data (not that I agree with it but it is the current lay of the land). I also suspect circumvention techniques are at least a decade ahead of where the government admits it is able to crack IF they even had to.
This probably works a lot of times, which is why the police do it.
That doesn't make it right. It makes it a slippery slope to fascism. An infringement on the innocent, and the innocent until PROVEN guilty.
His assumptions are only barely outdated when it comes to encryption. A scrub panic take TIME, just to do even one pass.
If the computer is seized and it's encrypted already, what the hell are they going to do? Force the suspect to give the password (which he is legally compelled to do in the USA). If it is encrypted and starting to scrub, you unplug, send the drives off, and use the password to decode the encrypted remains.
Or are pedophiles using FTL Drives and Quantum Encryption these days?
I have a question: I've read stories of Mosanto patented products contaminating other fields via wind and natural processes from adjacent fields...
Just how true are these stories?
If true this would mean the terminator seed process is actually a failure (or simply a failed by design "feature").
If that is also true, it would mean, that there is no way for you to go back to Mosanto even if you wanted to. It's quite a nefarious way of ensuring Mosanto is on every field in the world.
Promise nothing bad will happen, threaten to sue when it might. Perfectly unethical business plan.
And then on the other hand I think about the scientists that have greatly advanced agriculture and our improving ability to feed 200 million new mouths every year.
As a regular joe with a fully belly and a net connection, I'm left completely confused.
I did use it right. See...it's like if you have three cars, idling in a garage, each with a beowulf cluster of PS3s running in the trunk- then you naturally are going to cluster those cars together.
Then X shows up, notices you like beowulf clusters, and then adds a cluster to your cluster of clusters.
an electrical spark is pretty useless for starting a fire without ample combustible gas, or surface area.
I'd be more concerned about my circuit working than catching fire in such a case.
This is not to say one shouldn't be careful. But this burning down the house business is a quite an exaggeration. You'd have to have a helluva a short!
It's people like you that shit perfumed logs and are completely responsible for their own lot in life. You shit clean, but darn it, you always meant to be a clean shitter.
It's also people like you, that non-sociopaths like to call, Ignoramouses. This is because, for all your intelligence and good intentions, you completely miss the point and think that the world is there for you to exploit, to make first posts, and sweet smelling potties.
Never for once, does it occur to ignoramuses, that the social health of the nation affects your opportunities, priorities, employability, and your ability to afford that little pill that makes your next-day loaves sweeter than a cinnabon.
Never once does it occur to you that, by giving Jimmy Ghetto, (who has a thing for a robots but can't afford a 120in1 lab, let alone a university education), an opportunity to excel, keeps a gun out of his hands, and keeps him from stealing your sweet smelling poo and wiping it all over himself.
Social Justice is about improving outcomes for people like Jimmy Ghetto, and leveraging previously successful outcomes where there is an imablance between successful outcomes and unsuccessful ones.
In other words, you are a sociopath- and not a terribly well thought one at that. If you could look deeper than your own reflection in the wall, you might see that you DO OWE IT TO YOUR COUNTRY and its fellow citizens, (who contributed to your obviously sweet smelling successful cinnabon outcome), to encourage further positive outcomes.
A breath of fresh air after the stank of Mike Hunt's post.
Oh man, did I just really type that?
Srsly, that was some liar's club quality stank and I couldn't have responded to it any better. The Cell is poor for AI (as AI is currently designed), excellent for image and signal processing, including rendering duties.
I could think of some ways the SPE units could be useful for AI, but that would mean throwing out everything currently in use for this purpose, and starting over with a Minsky like hive-model for them to be at all productive. (oh and solely dedicating the SPEs to AI 100%). Of course, it would probably perform poorly in this form as well (not enough power! no good enough programmers!)
I'd have to disagree with the Cisco CSO and the majority of the thread as well.
I mean, he's basically arguing with millions of years of evolution. By the CSO's definition, the human immune system is a waste of "time and money", because it requires to sample new exploits before it can effectively attack them. Some people in the gene pool lose, and most of us gain from the biological experience posed by the new virus or infection. It's easy to see the parallels to the digital realm.
Basically, I expect this CSO to receive their walking papers as soon we're done laughing them out of the room for their lack of utterly common sense.
Oh and I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies!
Not only do you fail reading comp. 101 (you are from the US no?), you are also very ill-informed regarding our media levy:
"It could be worse. In Canada, you're paying a 'piracy tax' on blank media like CD/DVD-Rs because they automatically assume you're going to use it for illicit purposes. Get over it"
Bzzt, wrong! We pay a levy on CD-Rs only. There was once an ipod tax (under the same law) but this was repealed years ago, like way before I bought my first G4 ipod.
Now you really look stupid. As if the last bunch of your arguments didn't already.
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I am not defending these people but your analogy is broke:
I can stand in the rain, and in a shower, but if I stand in front of a firehose I'm going to go flying. If I stand in steam, I get burnt. If I stand in a shower too long I might get hypothermia, or if I drink too much I might... In this analogy I see plenty of room for uncertainty surrounding conditions of exposure.
That said, they are batshiat crazy, since the Universe is the firehose, and we're standing right in front of it. Wouldn't it be interesting if somehow it could be discovered that low-power EMF (ie atmospheric pressure water) was the culprit due to some unique properties, though?
I'm not prepared to say we know everything, but clearly there's way more science behind its safety than these people are willing to admit. I'm going to go with hypochondria.
So you mean Watson wasn't a walking advertisement for Power7?
This idea is completely outrageous!
I'm not apologizing for what is a 3 billion dollar boondoggle, matched only by the Canadian gun registry (which cost half of your computer system).
However, it is important to not that "off the shelf" aside from toughbooks, is not an option for the military. Clearly they screwed up royally here, but it is reasonable to expect the military's desire to work with proprietary technologies.
I'm about 99% certain that Sony required you to reactivate your account from the PS3 it was activated on.
This is an absolute non-issue /multiple PS3 owner
First of all with barely one pass started it is not at all impossible. First off chances are the OS layer will be destroyed first (wiping disks is most efficient and reliable in order).
In the time between surprise knock, entry and arrest, the harddrive will barely have the first GB wiped on first pass. The chances also that a pedophile has a substantial stash of evidence that cannot be destroyed in a massive way in an instant. All of this not to mention, one pass is insufficient to prevent retrieval. One must assume that unless more than one pass is complete, data (encrypted or not) is retrievable for a modest price ( 500$) For evidence, all you need to do is restore a portion anyway. Also, it couldn't be the ONLY evidence you have if you're prepared to go in no-knock.
It has been ruled that being forced to divulge a password is not subject to the fifth amendment and rightly so. You have the right to not self-incriminate. The data will incriminate you- not your password. It's the same reason you can't refuse to not reveal the contents of a safety deposit box if it is evidence in the crime. To not reveal the password is contempt of court. Evidence does not possess unalienable rights. That's why we call people witnesses and not evidence.
Regarding the government, the reason they don't do it for the common criminal is because it is prohibitively expensive. I also only suppose they are a decade ahead merely by means of technology and number crunching capabilities. You also don't even begin to address the susceptibility of encryption to brute force attacks. Pedophiles aren't exactly known for their smarts (hello! BLUR tool!)
A raid like that is NEVER justified for a non-violent criminal. You can't even argue that they ARE violent because they are pedophiles or rapists but the fact of the matter is a pedo without a gun is no threat to the cops. The only threat here is too the innocent and bystanders.
You only need one pass to scrub. If the police are bringing him downtown, that's a least a few hours. It'd be enough
Instead of busting in....Cops pay nice visit with warrant. Guy maybe gets one moment to press "destroy" button. Pass barely starts, only the first few hundred sectors are destroyed before the power is pulled. Easy to pull data from this drive (encrypted or not).
I have no idea what pedos are using, but they certainly don't need Quantum Encryption to block an investigation. Just install truecrypt and call it a day.
Truecrypt is only good if the suspect can't be compelled to reveal his password. Not revealing your password can be further evidence of obstruction and/or guilt. Laws are already on the books to compel suspects to provide their password. Furthermore, ACTA should further cement the "rights" of states to your encrypted data (not that I agree with it but it is the current lay of the land). I also suspect circumvention techniques are at least a decade ahead of where the government admits it is able to crack IF they even had to.
This probably works a lot of times, which is why the police do it.
That doesn't make it right. It makes it a slippery slope to fascism. An infringement on the innocent, and the innocent until PROVEN guilty.
So what happens when Binding Arbitration Clause is in every EULA and Service Agreement available?
What now David? And here I thought you might have more sympathy for taking down giants.
His assumptions are only barely outdated when it comes to encryption. A scrub panic take TIME, just to do even one pass.
If the computer is seized and it's encrypted already, what the hell are they going to do? Force the suspect to give the password (which he is legally compelled to do in the USA). If it is encrypted and starting to scrub, you unplug, send the drives off, and use the password to decode the encrypted remains.
Or are pedophiles using FTL Drives and Quantum Encryption these days?
I think he meant, spooky action a distance was not even mentioned?
I simply use a punchline as my password. That way if someone ever guesses my password and laughs at the joke, who exactly hacked who?
I have a question: I've read stories of Mosanto patented products contaminating other fields via wind and natural processes from adjacent fields...
Just how true are these stories?
If true this would mean the terminator seed process is actually a failure (or simply a failed by design "feature").
If that is also true, it would mean, that there is no way for you to go back to Mosanto even if you wanted to. It's quite a nefarious way of ensuring Mosanto is on every field in the world.
Promise nothing bad will happen, threaten to sue when it might. Perfectly unethical business plan.
And then on the other hand I think about the scientists that have greatly advanced agriculture and our improving ability to feed 200 million new mouths every year.
As a regular joe with a fully belly and a net connection, I'm left completely confused.
You could totally use this technology on slashdot readers! /the missing step?
...and read the Cuckoo's Egg while you're at it. It really drives his point home.
I did use it right. See...it's like if you have three cars, idling in a garage, each with a beowulf cluster of PS3s running in the trunk- then you naturally are going to cluster those cars together.
Then X shows up, notices you like beowulf clusters, and then adds a cluster to your cluster of clusters.
Yo Dawg, We noticed you like Beowulf clusters, so we put a Beowulf cluster in your Beowulf cluster of Beowulf clusters.
No doubt, amperage, is NOT your friend. Mileage may vary. Do your research. Don't stick your hand in the socket. Definitately don't keep it there. :)
If you weren't full, I'd mod you up, for going into better detail than I could.
You know what? I was singing burning down the house for an hour after I made that post. Thanks for assuring me of my sanity :)
an electrical spark is pretty useless for starting a fire without ample combustible gas, or surface area.
I'd be more concerned about my circuit working than catching fire in such a case.
This is not to say one shouldn't be careful. But this burning down the house business is a quite an exaggeration. You'd have to have a helluva a short!
It's people like you that shit perfumed logs and are completely responsible for their own lot in life. You shit clean, but darn it, you always meant to be a clean shitter.
It's also people like you, that non-sociopaths like to call, Ignoramouses. This is because, for all your intelligence and good intentions, you completely miss the point and think that the world is there for you to exploit, to make first posts, and sweet smelling potties.
Never for once, does it occur to ignoramuses, that the social health of the nation affects your opportunities, priorities, employability, and your ability to afford that little pill that makes your next-day loaves sweeter than a cinnabon.
Never once does it occur to you that, by giving Jimmy Ghetto, (who has a thing for a robots but can't afford a 120in1 lab, let alone a university education), an opportunity to excel, keeps a gun out of his hands, and keeps him from stealing your sweet smelling poo and wiping it all over himself.
Social Justice is about improving outcomes for people like Jimmy Ghetto, and leveraging previously successful outcomes where there is an imablance between successful outcomes and unsuccessful ones.
In other words, you are a sociopath- and not a terribly well thought one at that. If you could look deeper than your own reflection in the wall, you might see that you DO OWE IT TO YOUR COUNTRY and its fellow citizens, (who contributed to your obviously sweet smelling successful cinnabon outcome), to encourage further positive outcomes.
A breath of fresh air after the stank of Mike Hunt's post.
Oh man, did I just really type that?
Srsly, that was some liar's club quality stank and I couldn't have responded to it any better.
The Cell is poor for AI (as AI is currently designed), excellent for image and signal processing, including rendering duties.
I could think of some ways the SPE units could be useful for AI, but that would mean throwing out everything currently in use for this purpose, and starting over with a Minsky like hive-model for them to be at all productive. (oh and solely dedicating the SPEs to AI 100%). Of course, it would probably perform poorly in this form as well (not enough power! no good enough programmers!)
Not sure who the actor's name is, but Peep Show shows what the Doctor might be like with a vicious crack addiction.
Flippant, silly, secretive and bizarrely intelligent in surprising ways, I think Super Hans would be perfect!
I don't get it. Can you please re-frame your example using a car analogy?
I'd have to disagree with the Cisco CSO and the majority of the thread as well.
I mean, he's basically arguing with millions of years of evolution. By the CSO's definition, the human immune system is a waste of "time and money", because it requires to sample new exploits before it can effectively attack them. Some people in the gene pool lose, and most of us gain from the biological experience posed by the new virus or infection. It's easy to see the parallels to the digital realm.
Basically, I expect this CSO to receive their walking papers as soon we're done laughing them out of the room for their lack of utterly common sense.
Oh and I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies!
Not only do you fail reading comp. 101 (you are from the US no?), you are also very ill-informed regarding our media levy:
"It could be worse. In Canada, you're paying a 'piracy tax' on blank media like CD/DVD-Rs because they automatically assume you're going to use it for illicit purposes. Get over it"
Bzzt, wrong! We pay a levy on CD-Rs only. There was once an ipod tax (under the same law) but this was repealed years ago, like way before I bought my first G4 ipod.
Now you really look stupid. As if the last bunch of your arguments didn't already.