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Anonymous Vows To Destroy Facebook

DarkOx sends this snippet from BusinessInsider: "Anonymous has vowed to destroy Facebook on November 5th (which should ring a bell). Citing privacy concerns and the difficulty involved in deleting a Facebook account, Anonymous hopes to 'kill Facebook,' the 'medium of communication [we] all so dearly adore.' They continued, 'It is not a battle over the future of privacy and publicity. It is a battle for choice and informed consent. ... Facebook keeps saying that it gives users choices, but that is completely false. It gives users the illusion of and hides the details away from them "for their own good" while they then make millions off of you. When a service is "free," it really means they're making money off of you and your information.'"

575 comments

  1. if not at least deface it! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    if not at least deface it!

    1. Re:if not at least deface it! by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 0

      Frape Facebook itself. I see where you are going.

    2. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How would we tell? Have you seen what people post?

    3. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would we tell?

      The queue at the checkout in Macdonalds move faster.

    4. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Anonymous vows to take over my balls with their tongue.

      Isn't posting AC a default admission of having no balls?

    5. Re:if not at least deface it! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I hate to root for them (no pun intended), but.....

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    6. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hm...

      Outcome 1: Facebook is "destroyed" (somehow, I guess; unless air raids are involved on the server farms, are they aware of the long-term memories of most Facebook users?). Everyone is "liberated" in a "glorious" "revolution" of genericness, ambiguity, and sheer comic book levels of concretely-defined, crystal-clear morality and happiness for all*? Overall: Good, in theory. I guess? Probability: Immeasurably negligible.

      Outcome 2: A bunch of kids who depend on such social media for even the barest simulation of a social life execute their plan to "destroy" Facebook (again, somehow; just go with me on this, it'll be less painful for all of us if you stop asking questions that will inevitably have no answers) and obviously underestimate Facebook's sheer data capacity and redundancies. Said kids wind up embarrassed by their inability to follow through on their promises and hope the internet forgets this (look, if you keep asking questions like "how", we're not going to get anywhere, all right?). Overall: Acceptable. Probability: Above average.

      Outcome 3: These kids are bluffing and won't do anything. As the internet is tired of their shenanigans, they don't get the apocalyptic levels of global panic they were looking for. Fearing embarrassment, they bring out the same old ambiguous, contradictory lines about how Anonymous is everyone and no one, there is no Cabal^H^H^H^H^HAnonymous, fear fear fear fnord, blah blah blah. Overall: Neutral. Probability: Average.

      Outcome 4: Anonymous fails hard. They try to execute their plan, they find government agents waiting for them, they get tracked, they get busted. The world enjoys a good laugh, since schadenfreude swings both ways. One kid manages to get into the Twitter feed to give an unintentionally cartoonish "I'll get you next time, Gadget, NEXT TIME!!!"-style post. Overall: Very good. Probability: Very low, but definitely measurable.

      Out of all the possible outcomes to this, none are terribly bad, I have to admit. I guess the possibility of victory, to them, outweighs the sheer pain and suffering that would be incurred if they JUST STOPPED USING THE DAMN SERVICE ALREADY IF IT BUGS THEM SO FUCKING MUCH.

      *: Yes, I'm aware that the imagery they're invoking comes from a movie based on a comic book where said morality is quite opaque. Therein lies the irony.

    7. Re:if not at least deface it! by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Outcome 5: Anonymous neither fails nor attacks on that day. The announcement is misinformation. Perhaps it is a distraction from a different target they intend to hit on the same day, is a distraction because they will be hitting facebook before that.

      Outcome 6: Anonymous has already obtained information that, when released, will be a major public relations scandal for facebook, or perhaps will be evidence of criminality. The information will be released on that day.

      In any event, this appears to be Anonymous trying to do something to hurt the U.S. Intelligence community, with the side-effect of raising awareness of data privacy issues.

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      -- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
    8. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a set of balls ... they're right over here in this jar of formaldehyde.

    9. Re:if not at least deface it! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Outcome 6a: Nobody gives a sweet fuck about any public relations scandal, and Facebook still races towards a billion users, and Anonymous reveals itself once again to be a worthless bunch of virginal fucktards with stock hacking tools and the imaginations and wit of retarded rocks.

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    10. Re:if not at least deface it! by RandomFactor · · Score: 2

      Sadly I'm not sure if you are sad to root for Facebook, or Anonymous.

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      --- Mercutio was right.
    11. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The information will be released on that day.

      In any event, this appears to be Anonymous trying to do something to hurt the U.S. Intelligence community, with the side-effect of raising awareness of data privacy issues.

      If Facebook is IN ANY WAY a part of U.S. Intelligence I'm for anarchy.

    12. Re:if not at least deface it! by epistemology · · Score: 1

      In a connected world there can be no privacy. It is still worth it. And if we follow a more robust exclusion of ill-gotten evidence in the courts, in employment, and in insurance, we will still find fairness. Free information = No secrets.

    13. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't give a fuck *why* they should/shouldn't do it. Let Facebook burn, for all I care.

      I came to slashdot expecting a debate on *how* they were going to do it.

      Or have all the geeks left and only philosophers reside here now?

    14. Re:if not at least deface it! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Outcome 7: By then, the sheep have moved on to the next big social networking fad (Google+), and too few are left to give a shit.

      Reasoning: The same people who now say they'll never stop using Facebook are likely those who said the same about MySpace, Friendster, Livejournal, and if old enough, AOL and EFNet.

      You can have my WELL account when you pry it out of my cold dead squiggle dot

    15. Re:if not at least deface it! by TWX · · Score: 2

      For some reason, a certain iconic commercial from a Super Bowl from the early eighties comes directly to mind.

      On the other hand, I don't have faith in the populace. Bread and Circuses worked for the Romans, and fast food, 24 hour cable "news", "reality" TV, radio call-in and talk shows, video games, and the Internet work for the western and developed eastern worlds. Take away one, and probably the worst you'll see on any really large scale will be puzzlement as people switch to another, with complaints from some.

      Even if you manage to turn off all of these media that require no critical thinking, all you're going to do is to make a bunch of people angry at you for taking this away from them. You're not going to get most of them to see what they're choosing to slave themselves to, and most of them wouldn't agree that their diversions are bad. They certainly aren't going to en massé realize how they've been had and rise up. They're addicts.

      I sympathize. I've been a TV, video game, and Internet addict at various times. I consider myself lucky in a way that the possibility of getting infected through the browser is high enough that I've stopped using Stumbleupon and stopped surfing constantly, and now I go play in the garage, or work on the house, or you know, talk with my wife. Sometimes I miss it, but I get enough of it throughout the day anyway that I may as well tune out and regain my own free time when I can.

      This is a step that only an individual can personally choose to take. Most people aren't ready. Those in Anonymous who've chosen this course probably haven't really considered the true lack of result they'll probably see.,

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      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    16. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have the impression that we're dealing with just a bunch of script-kiddies who have gotten excited about a movie called Vendetta.
      But I'm glad that there are at least some people concerned about these privacy issues and see the big Orwellian picture.

      The objective of Facebook, Twitter and Google is to gather as much profiling information about you as possible.
      Every page containing a Facebook, Twitter or Google+ button is retrieving non-cached data.
      This has given the big 3 the ultimate tracking&profiling tool to keep track of everyone.
      The information is already flowing towards government agencies, which have even a greater lack of respect for your privacy.
      It is just a small step from being just a digital citizen to becoming a suspect.

    17. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there's no way they're likely to. If they were sitting on some kind of exploits, they wouldn't have announced it this far in advance. If they did, they'd have said, "We're going to announce some horrible news about Facebook on Nov. 5th". And they can't DDoS it any more than they were able to DDoS Amazon (which they also didn't do). And they're not going to show up at various server farms to cause trouble... so... likely it's just hot air.

      Note that they haven't gotten a lot of good press lately.

    18. Re:if not at least deface it! by oztiks · · Score: 1

      Outcome 8: Holobands are the next in thing. We create a race of AI beings which then wipe us out

    19. Re:if not at least deface it! by deathguppie · · Score: 3, Informative

      In any event, this appears to be Anonymous trying to do something to hurt the U.S. Intelligence community, with the side-effect of raising awareness of data privacy issues.

      Oh, ya that higher morality thing that Anonymous has going.. like the time they tried to fill youtube with porn.

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      once more into the breach
    20. Re:if not at least deface it! by rastos1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      if they JUST STOPPED USING THE DAMN SERVICE ALREADY IF IT BUGS THEM SO FUCKING MUCH.

      The problem with that approach is that your privacy can be violated by your friends that put your personal information on FB even if you don't have an account there. I'm trying to solve the problem by not having friends IRL either.

    21. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll ask Google nicely to patch up Google+ by then! THAT would kill Facebook faster than any kids attacking it.

      Will they bring out the Guy Fawkes masks while hacking? Has the FBI checked out "petrified hot grits".. she was in on it last time you know.

    22. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this appears to be Anonymous trying to do something to hurt the U.S. Intelligence community, with the side-effect of raising awareness of data privacy issues.

      So Facebook is the place the U.S. Intelligence community gathers? That explains a lot.

    23. Re:if not at least deface it! by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      Outcome 6: Anonymous has already obtained information that, when released, will be a major public relations scandal for facebook, or perhaps will be evidence of criminality. The information will be released on that day.

      - Yet Facebook would still live on, even in the very unlikely situation where the management went to jail, and thus Facebook still wouldn't be "destroyed."

      with the side-effect of raising awareness of data privacy issues.

      - Average Jane and Joe simply DO NOT CARE. Result: none.

    24. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Outcome 9: Puppies!

    25. Re:if not at least deface it! by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      if they JUST STOPPED USING THE DAMN SERVICE ALREADY IF IT BUGS THEM SO FUCKING MUCH.

      The problem with that approach is that your privacy can be violated by your friends that put your personal information on FB even if you don't have an account there. I'm trying to solve the problem by not having friends IRL either.

      To be honest, that same thing happens IRL, too. Does that mean we should start fighting reality also and prevent people from talking about you or anything related to you when you haven't expressly given them permission?

    26. Re:if not at least deface it! by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      I'm with you if you want to do a press release saying that on November 5th you and I will attack the very fabric of reality.

      That should put the fear of god in people!

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      If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
    27. Re:if not at least deface it! by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      5th November.. that means I still have some time to put together my superhero costume. Need to find some really obnoxiously bright and tight spandex: even if I fail in breaking the fabrics of reality atleast I'll make damn sure they won't forget me easily!!

    28. Re:if not at least deface it! by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Finally! A worthwhile project!

    29. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outcome 6: Anonymous has already obtained information that, when released, will be a major public relations scandal for facebook, or perhaps will be evidence of criminality. The information will be released on that day.

      This is what will happen, I think.

    30. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outcome 10: Ponies!

    31. Re:if not at least deface it! by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      This idea is completely outrageous!

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    32. Re:if not at least deface it! by wdef · · Score: 1

      IRL is not a valid comparison. Damage via say gossip is often transient and local within a small community. It is also not always attached to a trackable unique identity - you might be just passing through. By contrast, Facebook can if they wish expose your data to whoever, forever, and it links back to what is probably your real name and photo.

    33. Re:if not at least deface it! by tenco · · Score: 1

      Outcome 8: Holobands are the next in thing. We create a race of AI beings.

      Outcome 8a: AI beings wipe us out (SkyNet).

      Outcome 8b: AI beings wipe our asses (The Culture).

      FTFY ;)

    34. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's your choice whether or not to use Facebook, if you do choose to use it then Anonymous is going to try to take that away. So fuck them for trying making decisions for me.

    35. Re:if not at least deface it! by w_dragon · · Score: 2

      choosing to slave

      Do you see the contradiction in logic there? Slaves don't have a choice, in particular they don't have a choice to be a slave.

    36. Re:if not at least deface it! by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Should we toss a coin to decide who is the sidekick?

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      If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
    37. Re:if not at least deface it! by qxcv · · Score: 1

      Outcome 11: ???
      Outcome 12: Profit.

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      "The most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough." -- Eric S. Raymond
    38. Re:if not at least deface it! by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      In any event, this appears to be Anonymous trying to do something to hurt the U.S. Intelligence community

      Yes, how will we ever find Ayman al-Zawahiri if he isn't allowed to continue to post status updates and "check in" on Facebook. We would have gotten him too if it was for those meddling Anonymous and their dog!

    39. Re:if not at least deface it! by justsayin · · Score: 1

      Outcome 7: The Navy Seals bust through the window and take em all to Guantanamo.

    40. Re:if not at least deface it! by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      I was not suggesting it was a moral act, just that it had a particular side-effect which happens to be good. From a PR standpoint, that side-effect may be bad because it will help turn the common people against them. Interestingly, that is another possibility, now that I think about it--someone they have ticked off in the past may be doing this, and pretending to be them, in order to tick people off and provoke stronger public support for an electronic crackdown.

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    41. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I could waste my time and energy trying to get the barest amount of knowledge through your rock-like skull, but why bother when I can just link to a recent xkcd strip that quite succinctly details the problems with your assertion? That's much more fun, and most of us get another laugh out of it after we're done laughing at your inability to understand that the internet exists outside of HTTP.

    42. Re:if not at least deface it! by __aasehi2499 · · Score: 1

      Sure they do, they may not like the idea of the consequences they will have to face in order not to be a slave, but they can choose. For example, a slave in the truest sense could choose not to be a slave by not doing what their told or running away, but they may get hurt or killed for their transgression. Civil disobedience has effectively demonstrated that doing nothing when told to x, y or z results in all three not happening, with consequences that the disobedient must then be at least aware are coming.

    43. Re:if not at least deface it! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Oh, I have plenty of friends, but none of them know my real name, job or where I live. Plus I always leave the house in disguise. At night.

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    44. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is the perfect attack vector for Anonymous. If a large number of people begin making an effort to post embarrassing things linked to as many accounts as they can people will become aware of the non-obvious risk that your Facebook friends can associate you with things you don't want them to and you have no recourse.

      This could result in users leaving Facebook to avoid the problem.

    45. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's hardly a criticism of FB, It's like blaming a wall when someone puts "For a good time call " on it

    46. Re:if not at least deface it! by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

      A retarded screed if ever there was one. Facebook is a great way for me to keep in touch with my family 2000 miles away. 100 years ago, I'd have written letters and used the phone. Same fucking thing.

      YOUR use of various media may have come at the expense of your life (and your wife) -- but to extrapolate your personality defects onto everyone else and then pretend to feel superior about it? Piss off.

      How 'bout spending time with your family instead of posting to /.?

    47. Re:if not at least deface it! by teslafreak · · Score: 1

      Outcome 7 epilog : Government cackles wildly, people laugh at their misfortune (because people always do), two days later, everyone forgets everything. Of all the places you could try and attack to make a statement, a social network site seems like the worst idea. If you manage to cause serious damage, you have more people looking for you, and a bunch of cranky people who can't post about that they had for lunch anymore (but otherwise will just go to Twitter to do it). If you fail, you fail in a setting where even more people than normal are aware that you failed. It just seems like a lose/lose situation.

    48. Re:if not at least deface it! by GNious · · Score: 2

      Outcome 6: Anonymous has already obtained information that, when released, will be a major public relations scandal for facebook, or perhaps will be evidence of criminality. The information will be released on that day.

      Probability: Possible
      Effect: Negligible, if measured more than 3 days after the event

    49. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Porn is only 'immoral' if you're a moronic neo-puritan. I mean, 'typical 2nd-term Bush voter'.

    50. Re:if not at least deface it! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      A retarded screed if ever there was one. Facebook is a great way for me to keep in touch with my family 2000 miles away. 100 years ago, I'd have written letters and used the phone. Same fucking thing.

      Not the same thing at all. You can write without telling the postal service all of your personal details, and having them sell them on. You can phone without giving out more than a billing address.

      You can also use multiple Internet services or write your own to keep in touch with your family 2000 miles away. You don't need Facebook to do this.

      So no, it's not the same fucking thing. Anyway, how 'bout spending time with your family instead of being 2000 miles away posting bullshit to slashdot?

    51. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In any event, this appears to be Anonymous trying to do something to hurt the U.S. Intelligence community, with the side-effect of raising awareness of data privacy issues.

      I think you're making Anonymous out to be more clever and more noble than they actually are.

    52. Re:if not at least deface it! by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      Not really--It doesn't make them either clever or noble. It's just a logical target, with side-effects that appeal to concerns of techies. It doesn't take any particular cleverness to know facebook is an intelligence source, since that's been covered by the media a few times. (I don't recall the particular articles, but am sure they've come up on slashdot before.) Nor does it take any great nobility to rationalize or have a rationalization for a criminal act. Most criminals do.

      I suppose it's possible that harm to the intelligence community isn't the driving factor. If anonymous isn't thinking strategically, or if their strategy is warped by some kind of odd logic that makes them think that this will help them with the general public, for example.

      It is also possible that this is not Anonymous at all, but is a script kiddie in a basement. Apparently it comes from a low production quality youtube video that was sitting around for a month before the German Press noticed.

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    53. Re:if not at least deface it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you.

      Assuming that is a 3-item list (with an Oxford comma, true to your name), the first two items are sentences and the last item is a fragment. It should read, "IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and it definitely isn't legal advice for you."

    54. Re:if not at least deface it! by kmoser · · Score: 1

      How does this differ from any other site where people post stuff?

    55. Re:if not at least deface it! by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 1

      There's a problem with outcome 5. All the intelligent people who would be capable of something like that have grown up and gotten jobs and such and no longer associate with this Anonymous thing of their childhood.

    56. Re:if not at least deface it! by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 1

      Problem with outcome 6*. Fuck.

      Well I guess it's a problem with all outcomes that don't result in massive failure.

  2. All your faces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    are belong to us?

    1. Re:All your faces by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      =b ArundelCastle and 4 other people like this.

  3. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *yawn* oh anonymous, you are _so_ 2008

    1. Re:meh by jaymzter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And with this.... Anonymous jumps the shark.

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    2. Re:meh by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      Is it fair to call the optards?

  4. Um, ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cant say i really think thats a great plan, but hey, I don't like facebook.

  5. Uhm... DUH. by MikeV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long did it take the Anonymouse script-kiddies to figure this out?
    "When a service is "free," it really means they're making money off of you and your information.'"" Hello - that's been the model of free services for as long as services have been free. You guys need to get a refund for that pot you're smoking and go detox somewhere. People consider it an amicable trade. A few are inconvenienced - boo hoo. Grow a pair and move on.

    1. Re:Uhm... DUH. by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "A few are inconvenienced."
      I don't think people understand how much information companies like Google have on its users. Unless you are completely off the grind living in a shack in Montana, credit card companies know what you're spending your money on, as does PayPal, eBay, Google Checkout, and Amazon. So does all the tracking websites with the persistent cookies. Your email, your most intimate thoughts and angriest words along with your buying habits are all in there. Google Voice is fucking ridiculous in terms of getting information. It knows who you call and text, and its learning what you're saying. (Voicemail transcription, anyone?)

      If I went to your Google.com/Dashboard, I'd know a great more about you than you thought you were giving up. And that's only one aspect of the web. You are giving up more than you think.

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    2. Re:Uhm... DUH. by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know what I'm giving up, and I give it up gladly for the services I receive. You may disagree. But who are you to tell the rest of us what we should and shouldn't do?

      Why should I care that some companies know my buying habits? I am one of billions. There exist some unfathomably vast spreadsheets with a row that indicates I like oatmeal for breakfast and enjoy the works of Terry Pratchett. Why should that bother me? If anything it means that more stores will stock oatmeal and more quality humorous fantasy books will get made.

      They certainly don't have my most intimate thoughts, because those rarely leave my lips and never enter a computer. They may have a few angry letters I wrote, but so what? I'm one of billions. No one's likely to see it, and unless it's something really egregious, no one will ever care.

      Frankly, I think you're paranoid. You think that people care about tracking you, personally. Let me assure you, you're not that important. No one cares. That's a good thing. You're one of billions, and well below the notice of multinational corporations. If you're afraid of using facebook, fine, but don't go demanding it be destroyed because of your fear.

    3. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But wait until you try and do something about the world. Maybe you'll run for political office. Or want to help out at child care center down the street. Wanted that teacher's license? Maybe someone will find out that people that google Cheerios, fucktards, and pantyhose are statistically proven to be terrorists and need to be rounded up and vilified. They'll look around for a while until that one row in one table in one database outs you. Then you're toast.

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    4. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this information they collect, how much of it ever gets read by a human being? After someone has read some persons information (collected by face book and their ilk) , whats the worst scenario they can do to that person if that person lives in Europe or North America?

    5. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You aren't that important and the data important to marketers isn't your most personal information and the data that they use in the end often benefits you in a way because marketers use that data to find an audience. If you enjoy, for example, playing Japanese RPGs, and Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft/Square/etc. see that you are one of many who enjoy that, they will release more Japanese RPGs for sale, meaning more games (or better games) for you.

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    6. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Noodlenoggin · · Score: 1

      @Artor3 (1344997)

      +1
      It's just soo easy to hide amongst all the noise that nobody really cares about your person as such.

    7. Re:Uhm... DUH. by cavreader · · Score: 1

      People have gone overboard with their fear of someone knowing anything about them. They post their life stories on the Internet and turn around and complain about someone breaching their privacy. Anonymity is not a human right as a lot of these folks believe. Just paying your electric or water bill puts your information into someones database. It is entirely up to the individual to decide whether to use a social media service or conduct commercial transactions using the Internet. There are ways to obscure your web activity if you want to. Granted even the most sophisticated ways of doing so can be by passed but only when someone with the resources to do so are looking for you specifically for some reason. People are perfectly free to abandon the online and electronic communication services and move to a shack in the wilderness but even then you still need to dodge and thermal imaging satellites that pass over head. If someone is really searching for you it can accomplished without relying on the Internet but we are moving into the generations who have never experienced life without the Internet and don't realize while it might be faster to track someone today using the Internet it could also be accomplished in the pre-Internet era.

    8. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A people that is willing to judge your leadership by something you might have done years ago which they found out about on facebook doesn't deserve a good leader. Maybe they should stick to the other kind - the too-good-to-be-true whitened teeth clean new shirted smooth talking liar who is going to rape them in the face the first chance s/he gets. You know, the kind we have all the time.

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    9. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome.

    10. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the point. No one walks on water unless it's frozen. Everyone deserves anonymity, but none of us get it. Google and others can read my cookies and figure out any little dark secret they want. Maybe they'll get http_referrers and keep appending the list. The method doesn't matter, the ad-based economy is designed to optimize selling to you at the price of your privacy. They'll put 2+2 together, however, and come out with 44.13833.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    11. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These kids just got off the bus and are flashing their tech savvy (all the world's a stage for them right now) funny about faceBOOK_ don't feel sorry for spys who do sell your information without your consent or even cutting you in on a slice, People get your stuff off it now or back it up. A lot of very angry people are going to bury this anonymous.

    12. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      So the other theory is valid. Increase the noise enough and the signal is lost. But we have to get rid of this pseudo-religious attitude of "me? Oh god no not ME! I would NEVER do that - people actually DO that?". Come on. Everyone has peed in the shower. Everyone has picked their nose. Everyone has shat themselves. Everyone has been in a really embarrassing or compromising situation at some point or another. But a crook will not post that he is a crook on facebook. You won't find that ANYWHERE. Therefore if people are to lose their privacy, then people have to learn to ignore stupid, trivial things like "omg he smoked a joint in college" and focus on what people actually think.

      Hell my rationale is all over the internet if you google my pseudonym, I've got thousands of posts on many boards. I'm not saying I'm right all the time, and I'm not saying I have the answer to everything. But I'm certainly not ashamed of anything I've written because this is who I am.

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    13. Re:Uhm... DUH. by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But wait until you try and do something about the world. Maybe you'll run for political office. Or want to help out at child care center down the street. Wanted that teacher's license? Maybe someone will find out that people that google Cheerios, fucktards, and pantyhose are statistically proven to be terrorists and need to be rounded up and vilified. They'll look around for a while until that one row in one table in one database outs you. Then you're toast.

      The fact you had to use hyperbole to make you point, in fact destroys your point. Act sensibly on the net and you'll be fine for the most part. These 'what if' scenarios are so statistically insignificant, particularly if you follow the sensible part I mentioned, that it's basically a barrier to being able to use technically in a useful and fun manner.

    14. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess America doesn't deserve any leaders, at all, then.

    15. Re:Uhm... DUH. by antifoidulus · · Score: 2

      That signal to noise ratio is precisely why its better to have a common and/or famous name then it is to have a rare name. You google Henry Smith and you probably wont get a whole lot on Henry Smith of Baton Rouge LA, even if you went looking for it because there is just so much noise out there.

      The real problem of course comes when you have a name thats common enough for a few other people to have it, but not all that common. In my case someone with my first and last name, only about 2 years older than I, and from relatively the same area as I am from has been arrested twice and been in the papers for it. While nobody will probably conflate me with said person, its not something Im exactly thrilled about.....

      And of course if you google my full name you get mostly porn(which is why I should use it more often :P), but thats neither here nor there.

    16. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are some pretty stupid criminals out there, but we'll leave that to one side for now.

      Having the attitude of living freely is ok. Saying what you want is free speech. You may not be right, but you might be. Same here.

      The capacity to protect your personal privacy from those that would abuse it is an important human right. For those that don't give a shit, it won't make any sense as they've subjugated the currency of their privacy and rationalized it away. To others, it warrants respect because THEY believe in it, and it's part of THEIR currency. They deserve the protection. You might not need it or care for its possible outcomes. But there are others that do, and if you devalue your sense of the currency of privacy as an issue, you also devalue their currency but not by their choosing. You may not needed. Maybe they do, and you subvert theirs by not caring about yours.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    17. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Civilians deserve the same protection that geeks know how to navigate by lessons learned. There are toads out there that compile information, then push all of the data to one edge to distort reality. Privacy has real currency; some don't see it that way. That view diminishes the privacy view of others by assent.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    18. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone has mentioned a simple and crucial point - you don't have to join facebook if you don't want to. I sure haven't.

    19. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A people that is willing to judge your leadership by something you might have done years ago which they found out about on facebook doesn't deserve a good leader.

      You don't deserve to keep breathing, you tyrannical fucktard.

    20. Re:Uhm... DUH. by izomiac · · Score: 2

      That is a model, not the only one. Probably not even the most common. As for Facebook, their popularity was gained when they respected privacy a tiny bit more, and now they're milking their data for all it's worth. Bait-and-switch, with the social lives of millions held hostage, and no way to end your business relationship and reclaim the privacy you've lost under false assurances of confidentiality. While I use Facebook, I have to micromanage my data so carefully that I'd be glad to see Anonymous make good on their threat so people move to a better service.

    21. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Facebook I'm not worried about; although its correlations are juicy for someone, I suppose. My criticism is about Google and tracking cookies and http_referrer manipulation, and so forth.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    22. Re:Uhm... DUH. by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 2

      We can idealize what people *should* do all day long. When it comes down to where the rubber meets the road, you'll find that the actual response may not be what it *should* be and no one is the wiser.

      For a period of time I was an instructor. We routinely selected recent graduates to stay on to instruct the next class. One of my students was exceptional. He had also smoked weed and had admitted to it. That alone was the deciding factor in his application being dropped. I learned of this after the fact and I did tell him the reason that he was passed over. It didn't matter how long ago he did it, it was the fact that he did it at all.

      In reality, people are dicks. Ideologically, they'll tell you they'd never make such a brash decision.

    23. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Will the internet and techology also make it a lot easier to target people, both for ads and for other reasons. For example if your phone is broadcasting its GPS coordinates all the time and a potentially suspicious fire breaks out 30 minutes after you've left a building the authorities will now know. Sure it is a benefit that if an arson happens that it will be easier to catch the bad guy. But it also means hundreds or thousands of people might get called in or asked to answer questions by email etc because something is "suspicious" without a more through investigation being done in the first place. Thus thousands and millions of people hours are at stake because it is now more convenient to cast a wide net than to try to make a more through filter first. Every time there is a traffic accident they could call in everyone that was on that block in to ask them if they saw anything. No more hearing a bang and looking over and it had already happened. Now you'll have to stick around or get called in to answer questions about what you "witnessed" rather than the fact you left being used as a logical filter for "I didn't see anything so I don't need to be here", they can now just text message everyone that was nearby and harass them with questions they have no good way of answering.

    24. Re:Uhm... DUH. by russotto · · Score: 1

      Your email, your most intimate thoughts and angriest words along with your buying habits are all in there.

      My most intimate thoughts aren't on the net. My angriest words I want people to hear; the problem with them isn't too little privacy, but that they're drowned out in the noise. As for my buying habits, if you care that I bought a battery (9V 2000mah), a sink, a workstation (a table, not a computer), a Nelson lamp, and a Schedules Direct subscription, you're welcome to that information; that's all Google Checkout has.

    25. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My reading of the summary is that Anonymous's beef with facebook is not specifically that they track and use people's data in the ways they do, but rather that they use fairly devious means of concealing this from the average (read: non-paranoid) user.

      Of course it is up to the individual to decide whether to use a service or not. But before an individual can decide this, the service must represent itself honestly and openly.

      The phrase "informed consent" consists of two words, not one.

    26. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      How long did it take the Anonymouse script-kiddies to figure this out?
      "When a service is "free," it really means they're making money off of you and your information.'"" Hello - that's been the model of free services for as long as services have been free. You guys need to get a refund for that pot you're smoking and go detox somewhere. People consider it an amicable trade. A few are inconvenienced - boo hoo. Grow a pair and move on.

      You, "sir", are a stupid git.

      I will tell you WHY you are a stupid git:

      It is because you believe that everybody else thinks the same way you do. You believe that they have exactly the same education as you do. You believe that they understand economics, finance, and the banking industry.

      Probably more in tune to reality (as opposed to YOUR version of reality) is the fact that most people (especially Americans educated through the American tax system that believes that less taxes means greater freedom, and no taxes means Utopia; Tea Party time!).

      Unfortunately most people, through their lack of political acumen, and pro-advertisement based reality have cargo-cult belief systems. So they really DO believe they can get things for free, if they worship the right Corporation.

      I remember watching a Frontline episode about credit cards where they interviewed some well dressed, middle class office workers about the credit card industry (they all had credit cards). There answers were based in ignorance and mythology. For example, they believed it was to their advantage to pay down the minimum balance on a credit card (rather than paying the credit card debt off as soon as possible). This may seem stupid to YOU. And yes indeed it is stupid, but what is MORE stupid is believing that everybody else has YOUR common sense notion of reality and logic.

      And so, (especially in the United States... where FaceBook is most popular), you have children going to school where their sports teams, and TV-funded lessons are sponsored by advertisements. You believe these people have the knowledge, experience, or education to believe that a CORPORATION would INVADE somebody's privacy. I even remember hearing of pupils who where expelled from school because during a class picture they did not hold up the advertisement flag that the school relies on for corporate sponsorship.

      So who is the stupid git? Maybe you should stop bad-mouthing pot-smokers, you ignorant, prejudiced snot.

    27. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately that's how people get jobs today is dealing with employers who want friend access to FB.

      No FB access, you will get told you are a fossil and passed over for hiring before you even get to interview.

      I learned this firsthand.

    28. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, and I have to say that if you are paranoid about corporations you are really bad. I mean it really doesn't matter, seriously. I've known a lot of schizophrenics, and most of them use iPhones or Android devices and love Apple/Google/whoever.

      While I'm at it, government conspiracy theorists need to take a rest, too. In one breath they will say that the government is too stupid to do what they want, then the next they will say that they are watching their every move... seriously?

      For those curious, my delusions are about aliens. Anyone who claims to have seen an alien is also a little thick, as they are too smart to let you know they even came.

    29. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Wovel · · Score: 1

      The problem is not anominity, the problem is shallow people that care about irrelevant data.

    30. Re:Uhm... DUH. by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one "deserves" your protection. You aren't their nanny, no matter how certain you are that you know best.

    31. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I am. I'm my brother's guardian, and also for my mother, who suffers from dementia. I have a responsibility to others: it's called civility.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    32. Re:Uhm... DUH. by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In an age where people have ACTUALLY been thrown off a flight and threatened with arrest at an airport because they had a PICTURE of a gun, it's not necessarily an exaggeration. The "authorities" have gone insane and cannot be expected to operate in a rational manner. They might attach odd significance to nearly anything,. much like any sufferer of schizophrenia.

    33. Re:Uhm... DUH. by cavreader · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for all phones but I can disable the GPS functionality on mine if I want to.

    34. Re:Uhm... DUH. by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and parents nanny their children. That doesn't change the fact that you don't know best for anyone else. You not only have no responsibility to save my parent's privacy, you have no right to be part of the equation.

    35. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously haven't used Google Voice much. It's very evident that the voicemail transcription service has no effing clue what callers are saying.

    36. Re:Uhm... DUH. by grubwort · · Score: 2

      > a crook will not post that he is a crook on facebook. You won't find that ANYWHERE.

      Unless they're in London, of course.

    37. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Their privacy is their own, as is yours. I assert my responsibility to those that don't realize that their privacy is capitulated. And I speak freely so as to add my voice to those that believe that privacy has currency. Their rights, human rights, one of which is privacy, needs protections from those that would usurp and manipulate it to ends not understood by those individuals robbed of it.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    38. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but at some point it becomes sticking your nose where it doesn't belong and before you know it, that nose will get bloodied. Take a look at the US government for a great example of that.

    39. Re:Uhm... DUH. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Dumbass should have never admitted anything.

      One thing I've learned watching cop shows on TV is, never admit to nothing, the only words you say are 'I want a lawyer'. Doubly true if innocent.

      Then again I bet people/suspects that come in with lawyers to fill out their apps don't get far. I could be wrong. I bet saying the words 'I want a lawyer' during an interview would be frowned on.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    40. Re:Uhm... DUH. by MikeV · · Score: 1

      If your online participation is done with the idea that it is all public anyway, then what is the problem? If people value their privacy that much then they need to zip those loose lips to begin with. There is no privacy on the internet. Never was, never will be. The only way to be free from that is to turn your computer off and go do something useful. But wait - Visa knows every purchase you've made and can track you where ever you are - so you may as well give up your credit cards. Credit reporting agencies have an extensive profile on you as well that is worth money and that is exploited for money - so ditch the idea of having a car or house or school loans. There are databases of every check you've written so you may as well close your bank account and use cash only. Grocers have gone to tracking you with their discount cards, so get used to paying full price. Just where do you draw the line? In a mud hut out in the forest somewhere with foil lined walls and wearing a foil hat? Privacy loss is inevitable and unavoidable. The best you can do is be aware of that and make sure you act online in that dark room of yours as if you were in the middle of church with everyone looking over your shoulder. Being aware of the absolute lack of privacy gives you the opportunity to shape how you are perceived. While it is often the sign of impending dictatorships that say, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about," for us a better solution is to make sure that what we do have to hide simply remains off-grid.

      We also download gigabytes of data, mostly for free. ISO's of our favorite OS here and there, images, movies, music, etc etc. We are able to visually communicate with each other with pictures and videos as well as text and even live audio also largely for free. Did you really thing it was truly free. The other wise saying is alive and well here - "Nothing Is Free." What then is it worth to you? You can't stop it. Anonymous can't stop it. So - what are you going to do? Sit in a corner crying, or being smart with what you expose of yourself on what is essentially a very public and exploited network?

    41. Re:Uhm... DUH. by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      The arrogance in asserting your responsibility to that which you have no right to be responsible is staggering, but expected from a typical Slashdotter. It's a basic disconnect between belief and reality. You simply have no place in making such a decision for anyone but yourself.

      Feel free to whine about it all you want, of course. Just save the hyperbolic talk for someone who doesn't see through it.

    42. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is a fuctard? And who are "they"?

    43. Re:Uhm... DUH. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. I know what I've given up. Also, they don't know my most intimate thoughts, or angriest words, because I'm not an emo teen, and I don't post those things ANYWHERE.

    44. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you may understand the implications of giving up your privacy and do it gladly in exchange for a service you deem useful, that might not be the case for most users of said service.
      The service also targets kids over 13, who certainly don't know what the consequences of having a public record might be. Most of them are probably unaware of the value of their private data, and how it might be used (I guess it's safe to assume that most don't read the TOS).
      Same goes for many people who are not really computer literate and only use google because it's the default search engine for their browser but get sucked into FB because of a friend of a friend of a friend.
      You might find comfort in the fact that you are only one item in gigantic amounts of data, but given the progresses of data mining, calling those who don't paranoid is not really fair.
      Many countries have laws to protect private data ( in fact all European countries do because of the privacy Directive), and that's not because they're paranoid.
      I'm no big fan of anon, or vigilantism, but whith such a name their vow seems appropriate and if successful they might at least raise awareness of the problems associated with sharing private data (they probably won't destroy FB although I would find it funny)
      Posted as AC obviously.

    45. Re:Uhm... DUH. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      But who are you to tell the rest of us what we should and shouldn't do?

      That happens all the time. In fact, it'd be difficult to make a law that didn't do this.

      Frankly, I think you're paranoid.

      If countermeasures only take a few moments to set up, then why not do it (provided you have the desire to in the first place)?

      You think that people care about tracking you, personally.

      I don't think anyone said that.

      --
      Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
    46. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      A "fucktard" is an epithet, one that's all too commonly used on Slashdot as an ambiguous denigration. "They" is intentionally left ambiguous. "They" are whoever gets the information, to be unintentionally used against you.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    47. Re:Uhm... DUH. by isaac · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for all phones but I can disable the GPS functionality on mine if I want to.

      Sure, but you can still be tracked by the network and anyone who cares.

      E911 Phase 2 requires the ability to localize your phone to 300 meters, within 6 minutes regardless of whether you've "disabled GPS" or not.

      --
      I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. For Entertainment Purposes Only.
    48. Re:Uhm... DUH. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should look for a job at a company that doesn't already have bafoon managers?

    49. Re:Uhm... DUH. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I don't think people understand how much information companies like Google have on its users.

      Google has a link to what they gather on every page. They make it ridiculously easy to pick up shop and move to another service.

      Are you seriously complaining that most people dont care enough to click "about" or "privacy policy" or "terms" on gmail? If they dont care-- and this with magazines like Time claiming "Google wants to own your mind"-- why on earth do you need to care for them.

    50. Re:Uhm... DUH. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And what, they weren't doing that before? Political scandals and skeletons in the closet weren't invented along with COBOL. If you've did something wrong, even a hundred years ago, someone knew about it and somehow always showed up at the moment of least convenience.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    51. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Now, loads of disconnected information can be connected together. No one used to sit and watch what you read in a library or the privacy of your own home, but Internet accessibility is quite well tracked. Ask Fox News.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    52. Re:Uhm... DUH. by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      Everyone deserves anonymity, but none of us get it

      Um, you can actually PAY for some of these services and not be tracked. Heck, google gives you a free web browser and then lets you opt out of ALL of its info-gathering.

      People deserve what they are willing to pay for. The people have spoken, they want free services, not anonymous services.

    53. Re:Uhm... DUH. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Google's too big a target. The worthless piles of garbage known as Anonymous have enough sense to realize that. Facebook is probably far too large and distributed now to be reasonably taken down. A node here and there, maybe, but Anonymous, well they're as pig ignorant as they come. Fuck I wish their fucking parents would paddle their asses and ground them from their computers for three months.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    54. Re:Uhm... DUH. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      So it makes the blackmailer's job easier. Like I said, plenty of politicians have fallen due to scandal in the past.

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      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    55. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      I know what I'm giving up, and I give it up gladly for the services I receive. You may disagree. But who are you to tell the rest of us what we should and shouldn't do?

      I'm not anyone to tell you what to do. And nor is anyone else.

      Where the problem comes in is with the people who DON'T know what they're giving up when they're using these services.

      And that's the issue that repeatedly gets associated with Facebook -- the information is gathered, but there's little or no indication of that fact. I'm sure there's some overly broad clauses in some ToS somewhere but lets face it, some 180 page legal document is not going to be read or understood by the vast majority of Facebook users.

      And worst of all, they're happy to sell your information (including personal information) to anyone willing to pay, regardless of how shady they are and your only way to opt out is to delete your account.

      And deleting your account is getting hard to do if you want to keep up with your social circles (at least it is around here -- Facebook is the social networking app in my area of the world).

      They've been getting better over the years, but its always been at the "urging" of third parties. That is, someone makes a big enough stink that they're forced to take notice either via legislation or to save face from a PR standpoint.

    56. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats it, I'm going back to Lynx.

      I prefer the colours of Lynx when stoned anyway.

      Will that help or will Lynx betray me too?

    57. Re:Uhm... DUH. by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

      Who? Source(s)?

      I'm not suggesting you're a liar (in fact I'm sure sure this crap happens to unfortunate people every now and then). But I'd bet money it's still statistically insignificant to the number of users who use social network services harmlessly and fruitfully.

      On that note, if the authorities have a problem with someone, the information they used to profile said individual could come from anywhere, not such social networking services. Authorities can be dicks, yes, and staying hidden away from any social interaction on the net is a way to remain reasonably hidden, but we shouldn't bow down to such demands, particularly since we're doing nothing wrong.

    58. Re:Uhm... DUH. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Yes but it's transitory and with some effort easily poisoned.

      Of the stuff which I'd allowed to be tied to me II had thought Usenet archives would store the stuff forever till Google got a hold of them.

      Now there's less than 10 percent of the stuff from the 1990s online and it's dwindling.

      I'm not sure if it's deliberate or that the scribblings are getting eaten by enough errors to cause the software to delete them or hide them.

      Soon I'll cease to exist pre-2000

      --
      I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
    59. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There exist some unfathomably vast spreadsheet...

      It's actually this big:

      http://i.imgur.com/tTGzv.png

      Hopefully it's actually in a databas though!

    60. Re:Uhm... DUH. by fferreres · · Score: 2

      Hey, stop it. You have any rights at all because someone cared for a constitution and for generation centuries ago. That's why you can open your lousy mouth and say that nobody needs to care about you or others because you decided that. Everyone in the USA and in most countries where there is and degree of free speech, got it from someone else that not only cared for himself/herself but for all the people living there then, understood the importance of it, and found a way to pass it on to future generations regardless of their understanding or not of it. If you want to give the gift up, you can go to places many many places where there is none, and regardless of you not acknowledging it, you will miss your rights, and understand how they were gifted to you and for what reason.

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      unfinished: (adj.)
    61. Re:Uhm... DUH. by rocketPack · · Score: 1

      Why should I take this kind of data collection personally? After all, they know what I do on the internet but they don't actually don't know anything about me. I'm just a number, a component of their statistical calculation. I'm a source of data used to seed their advertising rotation algorithm for shit I never buy (mostly because I don't even acknowledge the advertisements).

      Why is it that when we WANT someone to notice our tiny, pathetic existence we decry the cold, computerized nature of big business and complain about how we are "just a number" to them... but when we call it a "privacy issue" it's all about "how much they know about me!"

      So what if Google knows you looked up hydroponics kits? Do you think they have some useful purpose for that information which is ultimately going to negatively affect you in some way?

    62. Re:Uhm... DUH. by cavreader · · Score: 1

      "network and anyone who cares" Of course I can. I don't even disable my GPS because I frequently use the mapping and navigation apps on the phone. But I also really don't give a shit about the very remote chance that someone can use my phone data to specifically look for me. The government or private detectives can find me anytime they want by just using my tax returns, drivers license, SSN, and any data stored by the credit agencies if they are interested in my financial history. I have even provided in-depth personal information and fingerprints for my security clearances. All of this information provides a much more detailed picture of me and all of these sources existed before the Internet.

    63. Re:Uhm... DUH. by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's right here on google or here.

      My argument wasn't that we should bow down to all this and censor ourselves at all. I was just pointing out that with incidents like the above, I see no hyperbole at all in GP's post. Giving these people a database like that IS just like giving a toddler a loaded gun with the hammer pulled back.

      While that particular incident was in the U.K., there is plenty to go around, including the great Boston Light Bright scare.

    64. Re:Uhm... DUH. by GNUman · · Score: 1

      Don't know what exact event the parent was talking about, but it brought back memories of the guy at Heathrow Airport who was threatened with arrest unless he changed his t-shirt. The offending t-shirt showed Optimus Prime with a gun. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1234193.ece

    65. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Svartormr · · Score: 1

      Heck, google gives you a free web browser and then lets you opt out of ALL of its info-gathering.

      ...and you believe them?

    66. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Workstation, battery, sink and Nelson lamp? Wow, these sound dangerous, you are a terrorist planning nasty things with your Schedules Direct for sure. Don't be surprised when suddenly you'll get much more thorough searches in the airports. It's for the children, you know.

      Do not underestimate government agencies. Stupidity, boredom and paranoia makes a fearsome combination.

    67. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      These 'what if' scenarios are so statistically insignificant, particularly if you follow the sensible part I mentioned, that it's basically a barrier to being able to use technically in a useful and fun manner.

      Ah, the old convenience trumps everything argument.

      The problem with even such "statistically insignificant" events is their outsized effect. I don't mean just screwing over one person, I mean screwing over society. Because you can never really take it back something once it is on the net, what you think today is no big deal may change as circumstance change but you can't change the fact that the information is now out there.

      One such example is the netflix "anonymized" data that they released a few years back. Yeah it was anonymous, until combined with IMDB voting information. Once that happened it was easy to out closeted gays who rented both 'straight' and gay-interest movies from netflix. Careful to keep their cover they only ever voted on 'straight' movies at IMDB, but that was still enough to match the 'anonymous' netflix profiles that contained the record of all of their movie rentals.

      Big deal. So some gays might have been outed, it happens all the time. It's not the end of the world for everybody else. Consider a whistle-blower with an extensive facebook profile. In order to protect his identity, he decides to send some documents to his uncle halfway across the country to have them snail-mailed with a post-mark from an entirely different state. Except that facebook information links him to his uncle and the people he blew the whistle on are able to use that information to narrow down their list of suspects to just him. Oh shit.

      Oh shit for him and oh shit for all whistle-blowers in the future who may be intimidated into silence because there is just so much info out there about them that they can't have any confidence that it won't somehow, someway be used for revenge.

      More hyperbole? Eh, it would make a good movie. But it also makes a relate-able example of the entirely new class of risks for people who "act sensibly" but could still get boned and most importantly, society in general gets boned because the corrupting nature of the status quo ends up being challenged less and less.

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    68. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You only think you have nothing to fear. There are people today who have something to fear from this information and most don't know it until it is too late. There are people being persecuted in the United States based on this information that is being collected. It isn't just "terrorists" and there are no mistakes being made. There are people with medical conditions for instance who are being violated. Yes- we are talking discrimination by the government. They are being prevented from adopting and similar.

    69. Re:Uhm... DUH. by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      But wait until you try and do something about the world. Maybe you'll run for political office. Or want to help out at child care center down the street. Wanted that teacher's license? Maybe someone will find out that people that google Cheerios, fucktards, and pantyhose are statistically proven to be terrorists and need to be rounded up and vilified. They'll look around for a while until that one row in one table in one database outs you. Then you're toast.

      Yeah, I recently saw where a young American female teacher was sacked for posting a photo of herself just HOLDING a beer while at a tour at a brewery in Ireland (I think), while she was on holidays.

      She wasn't drinking it, she wasn't drunk, and she was fully dressed and presentable. Of course this was in one of the retard southern states.

    70. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Shihar · · Score: 1

      But wait until you try and do something about the world. Maybe you'll run for political office. Or want to help out at child care center down the street. Wanted that teacher's license? Maybe someone will find out that people that google Cheerios, fucktards, and pantyhose are statistically proven to be terrorists and need to be rounded up and vilified. They'll look around for a while until that one row in one table in one database outs you. Then you're toast.

      Google (and Facebook), don't sell information on you personal. Period. Full stop. Stop being paranoid. No one can pay Google for your personal search history or get a profile on you. Google does try and understand who you are. When Google "sells you", they sell you by slapping you into a bundle of "nerds who are likely to buy your goofy as Firefly shirt" and promise to the people who make Firefly shirts that they are going to show ads to people like you. This is harmless. Not only is it harmless, but it is actively good. If an advertiser can target me enough to try and offer me up crap that I actually want, it becomes a service rather than an annoyance. I only wish Google knew 'my type' well enough to sell me a good interesting book instead of offering me the chance to refinance a mortgage that I don't have.

      The only real danger is when your government jumps in and start trying to hunt down people based upon their data. That is a legitimate concern,but frankly, if your government wants to fuck you, they are going to have their way. Otherwise, all that matters is controlling your data from people who you want to hide it from. Don't friend your fucking boss on Facebook and then declare him the devil incarnate. Friend with care on Facebook, use Google Plus, use e-mail, or simply keep it off the tubes. If you over share, you are just being a moron.

    71. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, then you have to live the life of a saint. Do everything right.

    72. Re:Uhm... DUH. by brillow · · Score: 1

      I think their argument is that facebook does not readily make available information for you to know what you're giving them. Essentially, facebook knows most people would not be ok with some of the things they do, so they hide the information.

      I think its likely anon will execute something, and it will probably make facebook's login not work for 10 mins for people in Slovenia or something else very minor. However, even this small event would probably make CNN, and then they might start asking questions about facebook and its privacy practices.

      This would be something facebook would not like, and might harm them, if even very slightly.

    73. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Cheech+Wizard · · Score: 1

      "Where the problem comes in is with the people who DON'T know what they're giving up when they're using these services." So - You want to play nanny for those who YOU believe *don't* know. How nice of you! And, good luck with that. You have millions of people to look out for. And, my bet is after you have explained to each one 99% will look you in the eye and ask what business is it of yours to interfere with their lives telling them you know what's best for them.

    74. Re:Uhm... DUH. by trickyD1ck · · Score: 1

      Then don't do anything stupid. This has nothing to do with Facebook or Google.

    75. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone will find out that people that google Cheerios, fucktards, and pantyhose are statistically proven to be terrorists and need to be rounded up and vilified. They'll look around for a while until that one row in one table in one database outs you. Then you're toast.

      Not everyone lives in the US. The rest of the world still knows how to use common sense.

    76. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Why should I care that some companies know my buying habits? I am one of billions. There exist some unfathomably vast spreadsheets with a row that indicates I like oatmeal for breakfast and enjoy the works of Terry Pratchett. Why should that bother me? If anything it means that more stores will stock oatmeal and more quality humorous fantasy books will get made.

      They certainly don't have my most intimate thoughts, because those rarely leave my lips and never enter a computer. They may have a few angry letters I wrote, but so what? I'm one of billions. No one's likely to see it, and unless it's something really egregious, no one will ever care.

      I can't help but agree with you. I don't CARE if people know my shopping habits because, well, why the f*ck would it matter? I mean, everyone knows I like gadgets, anime, manga and movies in general, and that I really like to drink Cola and eat pizza. Everyone knows what kind of stuff I like and what I dislike and I really do not feel I have to somehow hide those things. Googling my nickname brings out most of the websites I frequent and again, I have never made any attempt to appear anonymous there: why would I? I frequent those sites exactly because I'm known there and I enjoy the sites.

      My point is: anything out there on the Internet about me is stuff you could find out anyways just by asking me. I simply do not have anything worth hiding.

    77. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Pantyhose Googlers are not terrorists. For example, they look nice on me and others, they feel silky-soft on my legs, my girlfriend loves to see me in them wearing a nice skirt, and well, I wear them to work as well. And I am a guy.

      So please, don't lump Pantyhose Googlers into the same category.

      Thank you.

    78. Re:Uhm... DUH. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In the USA, during the second world war, there were a number of charities that sent aid to the Russians (America's allies against the Nazis) to help the half of their country that was devastated by the Nazi war machine rolling over it twice. Lots of people gave money to these charities, because they were good causes.

      Some years later, the political establishment decided that sending money to the USSR - in any context - was a sign of communist sympathy. The names of any donors to these various charities were all dug up and people found that they were under suspicion of being members of the communist party (or, as we'd call them today, suspected terrorists!!11eleventyone) and lost their jobs. They even lost many of their friends, who were afraid that they'd also be branded as communists.

      They had nothing to hide - the fact that they'd made a donation to a charity 10 years earlier wasn't something any of them were ashamed of, or that most of them even thought about.

      Why should I care that some companies know my buying habits? I am one of billions. There exist some unfathomably vast spreadsheets with a row that indicates I like oatmeal for breakfast and enjoy the works of Terry Pratchett

      From just those two facts, I can make a good guess at your voting habits (look up the demographics of Pratchett readers some time). From the typical information that Facebook collects, you can get a 99% probability of exactly who you vote for. You don't think that this information is valuable? Collect it, process it, and you know exactly which voting stations you need to disrupt to win the next election. Or who to intimidate in a marginal constituency.

      You think that people care about tracking you, personally. Let me assure you, you're not that important. No one cares. That's a good thing. You're one of billions, and well below the notice of multinational corporations

      You're still in the late 20th century mindset where tracking someone was difficult. Now, you're just one entry in a database. You're filling it up with information about yourself, and hoping that no one will run a query that pops out your name in any context that you don't want. And you might be right, but the impact of the Stasi was a lot greater than just their effect on the relatively few people who came under their direct scrutiny.

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    79. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Darfeld · · Score: 1

      People don't understand what they trade off most of the times... When was the last time you actually reads an agreement before signing up?

      I really don't think that much people knows or understand how FB and Google make money. The whole "We will hit That Day" shit is advertisement. Even if Anonymous do take down FB, I don't think it will die and I'm pretty sure Anon isn't such a fool that "he" believe it will. They just want to be front news to be eared by as much people as they can. Taking down FB even an hour would be a good start for that. Saying it in advance even better. And they say it enough in advance so that enough people will be watching and talk about it. Even if Anon fail to take down FB, they still might be eared. Not good for "him" since "his" credibility will suffer, but still worse it.

      And if you say "I don't care they trade my data!", they made you think about it, kind of, and that's a good start.

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    80. Re:Uhm... DUH. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I've talked to quite a lot of non-geeks about Facebook. They first express surprise that I'm not on Facebook, and say something like 'but you know a lot about computers, why aren't you on it?' I tell them that I find Facebook's terms and conditions completely unacceptable, and quote a few of the things that I'm giving them permission to do. The response has been shock in about 90% of cases, about 10% have closed their Facebook accounts, and a lot more have dramatically reduced what they do on Facebook.

      I have yet to meet anyone who has both read the Facebook T&Cs before agreeing. Most people believe Facebook's PR and so skip the legalese. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 90% of people who put their face in the book have absolutely no idea what they permitted when they signed up.

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    81. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, just dropping in to point out that detox isn't something involved with pot. You must be thinking of alcohol, or oxycontin, or heroin, or some other drug which creates a physical dependency in the user. With pot, you just, like, don't smoke it, man, and everything's still OK.

    82. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, I think you're paranoid. You think that people care about tracking you, personally. Let me assure you, you're not that important. No one cares. That's a good thing. You're one of billions, and well below the notice of multinational corporations. If you're afraid of using facebook, fine, but don't go demanding it be destroyed because of your fear.

      No, it is in fact common knowledge that certain governments and police forces mine Internet traffic and databases such as Facebook's to pre-emptively find would-be criminals. Because this is done automatically, they do care about you and you may end up getting punished for being associated with the wrong people or ideas.

    83. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is how the Murdoch empire allegedly took so much power. They hacked and phreaked and scammed their way into people's private communications until they had something on everyone in power, and then used that information to further their business aims. If all your data is online you are not just vulnerable to corrupt or incompetent governments, you are vulnerable to private corporations and organised criminals who think they can make something for themselves out of the data.

    84. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've got nothing to hide argument" is wrong http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565

    85. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting as AC for obvious reasons. I've been to some marketing conferences to present some research in this field. Although they were highly appreciated, I found them uninterestening compared to some datamining solutions presented. I guess by now everyone is quite familiar with the fact, that you only need to connect some properties of your webbrowser like screensize, user-agent, dpi etc., to almost uniquely identify you online. However, the same is true for almost every other data and so these tools can create pretty accurate profiles, but worse, can generalize these over sample populations, e.g. they create a profile for whole neighbourhoods. These datamining solutions are sold (for metric shittons of money) to almost all kinds of people; first of all of course advertising companies, but credit institutes, large employers and the like are also among the buyers. Advertising companies shouldn't be a concern; they just don't want to waste money on sending yacht and golfing gear prospects into areas where people can't even afford a bike or on sending advertisements for low budget supermarkets to people who won't even consider buying in these shops.
      However, matter get's complicated when you want to apply for a credit or a job at a major corporation. For a long time now "coming from the wrong neighbourhood" wasn't a big concern, since most corporations just didn't care or weren't as informed over different areas as locals. But now when they search for your address, they get a pretty accurate profile for your neighbourhood. This might be good for you, but more likely it'll be bad for you, especially if you're an outlier. But since the predictions are very good in most of the cases, they will trust them, just like the traders at the stock markets trust their gaussian models, although the major crashes don't fit into these and should have been almost impossible accordingly.

      So well, destroying facebook or uncovering what data they really have about you might be a good start. But facebook is only one (very cheap and good) datasource.

    86. Re:Uhm... DUH. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That's true. I got rid of my credit and debit cards a long time ago, and pay cash for almost everything. Haven't been on social media since MySpace, But my info is still mostly out there. Most of my friends and family are on FB.

      However, I'm on G+ now; there are six other guys on G+ with the same name as me.

      Ironically (or stupidly? I simply don't care) I've been putting large amounts of my life online for over ten years. Lots of folks have found it amusing; yeah, I'll be putting it in book form Real Soon Now. At least when I put stuff on the internet, the lies (if they are indeed fiction, I ain't telling) are my own and not somebody else lying about me.

    87. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like

    88. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, most people are blithely unaware of the amount of information that is being collated about them. All they know is they are getting cool stuff.

    89. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The information is collected. It's open to DHS, or whoever is cajoling google that day. Who knows whom the data will be sold to, or what malicious app might coerce your browser into coughing the wrong readable cookie.

      Oh yeah. Period. Full Stop. Fuck off! Google and the telcos dump more info in one day than will go through your self-assured brain in a month of Sundays.

      If you actually believe what you've written, you've been sold down the river.

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    90. Re:Uhm... DUH. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Ok.

      You start.

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    91. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, Zuckerberg

    92. Re:Uhm... DUH. by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Except, of course, that our world contains people exactly like Rupert Murdoch, who might use their 60% ownership of media in a country to blare the statistically insignificant scenario across the front page of dozens of newspapers and air it on rotation on 24 hour news channels to defeat any politician who won't bow before them.

      It's only statistically insignificant when you consider one person, when you consider all of the people in a country, you might notice that every country has people running for office. When you combine this lack of privacy with media consolidation you start to see an inevitable pattern of corruption. The end results of this aren't pretty. The rioting in England? Mostly lower class, poor young people. The kind of people who tend to be hurt worst by the policies pushed by Rupert Murdoch, and the candidates he's backed. The S&P rating downgrade? S&P essentially blamed it on the Tea Party, the very people that Murdoch's Fox News helped to win their elections.

      This type of gotcha information could be very dangerous in the right (or wrong) hands.

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    93. Re:Uhm... DUH. by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Combine that with media consolidation. How do you like the idea of Rupert Murdoch deciding who wins (almost) every election?

      I don't like it, because when one man has enough power to influence the results of elections, the winners serve that man, and not the voters.

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    94. Re:Uhm... DUH. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      After running wireshark and ProcMon to verify their claims, yes, yes I do. Others have similarly audited it.

      And honestly, when time and time again, Google shows complete integrity in saying what they are doing and being true to their word, I do not understand the cynicism. Can you show me a single example of Google lying about their actions? The biggest gaffe I can remember-- the wifi data gathering-- resulted in them giving a full mea culpa confession and beginning an independent audit.

      What about a company that acts in this way makes you want to be skeptical of THEM, of all people?

    95. Re:Uhm... DUH. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      People don't understand what they trade off most of the times... When was the last time you actually reads an agreement before signing up?

      This is neither Google's fault, nor a reason to call for more legislation, nor a reason for you to care for those people.

      If people cant be bothered to read the contract, the solution is NOT to weaken contracts; if people cant be bothered to read the privacy policy the solution is not to crack down on the companies. The ONLY (and I mean ONLY) way to have a long term "fix" is to make people have to care about what is truly important, by enforcing the privacy policies and agreements people enter into. If it becomes a big issue, they will have to care-- this is how adults are supposed to behave.

    96. Re:Uhm... DUH. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Thats their fault for being irresponsible. Would you have us be enablers for this irresponsibility by making it so you CAN live your life in blithe ignorance?

      Why not simply expect people to manage their own affairs and watch what agreements they enter into, and not try to protect them from themselves? This is kind of foundational for moving past middle and high school, and becoming a mature and responsible adult.

    97. Re:Uhm... DUH. by shentino · · Score: 1

      This would fall under the "sad but true" category for me.

      I avoid Facebook on principle.

    98. Re:Uhm... DUH. by said213 · · Score: 0

      Maybe I, unlike you, value this poster's opinions and appreciate the perspective, time and consideration taken in presenting a valuable line of thought to consider while observing the general conversation in this thread.

      Do you attack everyone you don't agree with? Are you familiar with the terms 'conjecture' and 'discourse' or are you feeling more arrogant and entitled than you have convinced yourself you are?

      If you don't care for the hyperbolic talk, there are many posts below those which you have taken issue with... move on.

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    99. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Batmunk2000 · · Score: 1

      They are unaware because the consequences of it have been trivial. Google having tons of information isn't scary because they can't do anything to me besides annoy me with ads or use the data to profile masses.
      The other side of the coin is that the information would be troubling if it fell into the hands of Government. If there is a debate here - it is whether the collected information can be used by Big Brother.

      Also, put it into perspective. When people file their taxes look at what the government collects from them. Banking info, expenses, income, biz relationships... all of it going to an inept government. The idea that we have any privacy went out the window a long time ago.

    100. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Darfeld · · Score: 1

      Yeah yeah, you can whine all you want that adults should behave that way, they won't. Cause humans are lazy (much like anything alive...)

      I don't say you should weaken the contract and I'm not saying Anon are good or bad guys...

      The fact is : People don't read that shit.
      The other fact is : people know it and use precedent fact to there own benefit.

      It annoying enough when being the one who didn't read get you screwed... You can say you deserve it then, but really it shouldn't be that bothersome to install a program or to sign in on a website.

      Face it : FB or Google doesn't really expect anybody (except lawyers) to read it : their would be far less "sign in"s if they somehow forced people to read 10 pages of boring policies and warnings and stuffs. They didn't try to be clearer because they don't give a damn. Seriously, I wouldn't either...

      I agree that it wouldn't be wise to spawn a law about it. So how do you make people to care about what they agree ? One way is advertising on the matter. That's basically what Anon is doing right now. Whether it'll be effective or not is an other story. We'll have to wait and see. And I'm not saying it's a good way to do it, just that it's not random bragging.

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    101. Re:Uhm... DUH. by smelch · · Score: 1

      DId it ever occur to you that the people who don't know the risks of facebook are about to be informed by a lesson from anonymous, thus undermining faith in the network?

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    102. Re:Uhm... DUH. by said213 · · Score: 0

      Actually... no. Short of removing the battery, you cannot disable the GPS functionality of your phone.
      You can limit your ability to access it (GPS), but simply cannot, disable location functionality in your mobile device without rendering the device unuseable.

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    103. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Reread your comment and then ask yourself where the double standard is.

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    104. Re:Uhm... DUH. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      The problem is not shallow people that care about irrelevant data, the problem is that too many people have an inordinate amount of power over your life. Whether it's a crook who is subverting technology to steal your identity or stalk you, or a government official who has decided to put you on a list of people for a tax audit, or deny you an approval to make improvements to your home, or who vindictively sends the FBI after you because you support his political opponent ("Why yes, I did hear him making threats of terrorism."), the ability of anyone to cause anyone else great amounts of harm in ways that are more or less anonymous is the real problem.

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    105. Re:Uhm... DUH. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Well, since we don't have any, I'd say you're right. We have people in charge, but they are hardly leaders... mostly just scum that has risen to the top in a system that rewards corruption and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

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    106. Re:Uhm... DUH. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      That's getting harder and harder to find since we a society are losing the collective ability to manage, or even know what a manager should be able to do.

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    107. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      My point was that there hasn't been some group consensus decision reached that people would rather get adverts than remain anonymous. Most people don't have a clue that there is even a price, or potentially alternatives. Responsibility of some sort isn't the issue I'm referring to.

    108. Re:Uhm... DUH. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Okay how about this. You become the target of Anonymous because you did something that made you look like a tasty lolcow (maybe something IRL that got their attention, like being arrested while in a funny Halloween costume). They dig up info on you and make obscene/harassing calls to you, your family and your employer, just for the lulz. If you're a dumb Average Joe, maybe they hack your email using the awful fucking password recovery question, and then all hell really breaks loose. A completely plausible scenario.

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    109. Re:Uhm... DUH. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1
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    110. Re:Uhm... DUH. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      No one can pay Google for your personal search history or get a profile on you.

      Maybe you can't pay (there's no way for us to know) but governments can certainly get that information.

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    111. Re:Uhm... DUH. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Not everyone lives in the US. The rest of the world still knows how to use common sense.

      In certain other countries (including some in the Western world), posting about your sexual orientation on the web would be very bad for your health and would definitely ruin any chances you had at running for office.

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    112. Re:Uhm... DUH. by he-sk · · Score: 1

      And you just lost the argument by saying these extreme scenarios are statistically insignificant. Because that concedes that they actually take place. And they are never "insignificant" to the person that has to deal with them.

      Congratulations to your compassion to your fellow human beings. Or, rather, your lack of it. You'll do nicely in this world.

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    113. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it may be the case that some individuals have had bad luck with authorities, ostensibly as an indirect result of data mining and statistical analysis of user data, attacking sources of the data mining, such as Facebook or Google is a fruitless attempt to treat the symptoms of something more fundamental, more difficult problem. It seems to me that Anonymous (if we can imagine that they are organized enough to be treated as a single entity with a clear set of goals) is not interested in bringing down capitalism or preventing companies from advertising more directly or efficiently through data-mining. I think they would view that as a petty goal.

      My impression is that Anonymous is concerned by the potential for the abuse of this data by individuals and organizations with real power over real people. Once this kind of comprehensive data has been obtained, a government, for instance, can theoretically use complicated statistical analysis and data cross-referencing to categorize basically anyone on the internet. Perhaps certain purchasing habits, when correlated with certain website visits and friendship with a certain age group on Facebook suggests that someone may have an increased tendency towards pedophilia. This kind of data analysis has been done, and used to wrongly accuse individuals of things like pedophilia or terrorist activity, when in fact, they were just within the statistically significant region of this data. I believe this is what Anonymous is concerned about.

      However, attempting to attack sources of data is treating a minor symptom of the core problem. The data itself isn't the issue. It is that people would actually use the data to accuse people of things they may not have done. To use another movie reference, it's a minority report problem: is someone really guilty of something if they haven't done it yet, and may never do it. When it comes down to it, the real disease is fear, which is what V for Vendetta was really about. V seeks to liberate his society of its fear, thereby rendering the fear-mongering government relatively powerless. If Anonymous wants to be effective in its goal (again assuming they can be viewed as a single entity with clear goals), then it should be focusing on sources fear, not sources of data.

      Who is abusing this data and why? What constitutes abuse? How can abusers be revealed and what can be done to prevent future abuse without destroying social and technological progress? Those are the questions Anonymous needs to find answers to before acting.

      Also, in V for Vendetta, V was willing to be held accountable for his actions. He was anything but anonymous and at the end of the film, he pays for his role and his choices with his life. There is a lack of that conviction in the Anonymous organization. Will they be willing to answer the difficult questions and then remove their masks at the end of the day? A bit theatrical, I admit, but these are real questions.

    114. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Well, they can get those angry letters from me:
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    115. Re:Uhm... DUH. by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      . Everyone has shat themselves. Everyone has been in a really embarrassing or compromising situation at some point or another.

      Based on your phrasing, I gather you don't necessarily find one of these to be a proper subset of the other. Possibly merely overlapping sets? If so, I admire your iron-clad sense of confidence.

      From upwind, of course.

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    116. Re:Uhm... DUH. by russotto · · Score: 1

      Workstation, battery, sink and Nelson lamp? Wow, these sound dangerous, you are a terrorist planning nasty things with your Schedules Direct for sure. Don't be surprised when suddenly you'll get much more thorough searches in the airports. It's for the children, you know.

      If they could draw such conclusions from that data, they could make them from any given set of data or no data at all. This is probably true, but it still means that my information being out there is harmless to me -- whereas the TSA is not, whether or not my information is out there.

    117. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe but still I have the right to decide whether to disclose what I eat and read.

    118. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Swallows? BJ Swallows... I've been tracking you for some time now...

    119. Re:Uhm... DUH. by DrCode · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it's funny. I get an email from someone with an Asian name, and I get ads for martial-arts schools on my screen. I search for tickets to a Broadway play and they assume I'm gay.

    120. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you need to detox from weed? Doesnt weed leave your system in less than 45 hours anyway? Plus, its effects of addiciton are merely mental.... ok why did I even bring this up.... I mean, uhhh yeah screw those Anonymous bastid!

    121. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Svartormr · · Score: 1

      It's good that you tested to see what was going on. But I imagine you used Google services and contacted Google servers. That means information can be tracked about you without leaving markers on your local computer (see here and here). And I'm sure Google's own browser will be sure to act in ways that are standard and don't hinder this. Google is certainly opposed to the 'Do Not Track' flag.

      Google is very open about what they believe in and that's not a lot of privacy or anonymity. In 2009 Eric Schmidt said "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.". And their actions re Google+ effectively shows them agreeing with Facebook's Randi Zuckerberg who recently said "I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away.". And 97% of their revenue is from advertising, selling what they know about all of us.

      Google wants to know *everything* about us. They want as much of that data to be as good as possible. And the WiFi data gathering and other events show that if there's a chance to get information, they get it, record it, and correlate it with what else they have. There appears to be no decision to limit what they get unless they violate statues and are found to have done so.

      I believe in my controlling my privacy, being public and being anonymous as I decide circumstances dictate. I limit my interactions with Google as much as possible. Despite their good works (and there are a lot of them) they have a core philosophy that is just wrong.

    122. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Scott+Scott · · Score: 1

      Act sensibly on the net and you'll be fine for the most part.

      That sounds suspiciously like the "only criminals have something to hide" defense, thinly veiled with a qualifier that defeats any merit your point might otherwise have.

      Yes, we get it, people who experience serious retribution likely did something to provoke it. Thank you, oh oracle of ancient triteness, er, wisdom.

      Yes, the prior poster could have expressed their position more effectively, but you haven't actually countered it. What exactly is your response, in the event that someone's information is dredged up and used to destroy them? It seems self-evident that even innocuous statements can be twisted into damaging weapons for the person with any reputation worth destroying.

      These 'what if' scenarios are so statistically insignificant, particularly if you follow the sensible part I mentioned, that it's basically a barrier to being able to use technically in a useful and fun manner.

      Please don't confuse hypothetical situations with statistics. If you're going to claim that they bear any relation, please cite studies or some very convincing proofs. As it stands, you're arguing that something that isn't a statistic has no statistical merit and is therefore moot, while insinuating that your wholly unqualified, unverified concept of sensible behavior - whatever that means - holds some degree of the same.

      Now then. In the entirely possible case that someone is badly affected by the use of such collected data, what protects them?

    123. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Scott+Scott · · Score: 1

      Seems like a false dilemma here. If only one in a million users suffers because data is improperly harvested and used, that doesn't support the misuse unless it is essential to keeping the other 999,999 happy. I doubt it is.

      I concur with your remarks on authorities; if anything, their means of collecting, storing, and using data are even scarier than many of the worst corporate offenders. I do wonder why Anonymous isn't campaigning against some of the recent policies.

    124. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All what you've said is true

    125. Re:Uhm... DUH. by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      Some sites benefit from anonymity, some from real names.

      FB and G+ are worthless w/o real names. i wouldn't have joined either if they were just another forum (like Reddit, /. or Fark). i can be an anonymous coward/fuckwit on those sites. On FB and G+ i'm myself, and the hottie in my geometry class in the 90s is herself.

      Some people aren't paranoiacs, which is concept many /.ers can't wrap their supposedly large brains around. Some people *like* to connect with other people.

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    126. Re:Uhm... DUH. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure about that. Look at the "kid" who got upset about someone not letting him use the wifi signal. He delibertly put kiddy porn on the peoples computer and lots of other nasty stuff. Did those people act incorrectly?

    127. Re:Uhm... DUH. by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Or you could pay for everything via either cheque, debit card, online bank payment, or email debit. This way, the only entity that has access to all your info is the bank you deal with. Paypal, the credit card companies, etc., are totally cut out.

  6. Um... by hedgemage · · Score: 4, Informative

    No American has any idea why the 5th of November is significant unless they read comic books. At least that's the truth for me.

    1. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dont forget V for Vendetta

    2. Re:Um... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      No American has any idea why the 5th of November is significant unless they read comic books. At least that's the truth for me.

      True, and the movie V for Vendetta did tragically poorly at the box office. It was one of the best movies made that year yet few people bothered to see it, and not many more saw it on DVD.

      I can tell you at least this American knows about the 5th of November, though...

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    3. Re:Um... by kaliann · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey! Some of us saw that Natalie Portman movie!

    4. Re:Um... by Yaur · · Score: 1

      V for Vendetta leaves out the whole jihad aspect.

    5. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they saw V for Vendetta the MOVIE...Which is likely.

    6. Re:Um... by dingfelder · · Score: 2

      What a load of crap.

      Some americans have actually read about English history.
      Besides that., do you seriously believe that no americans have ever been to New Zealand, Australia or the UK in November? Any who do so are likely to know about Guy Fawkes day.

    7. Re:Um... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Sure we do, it's the day that the Green River Killer pleaded guilty to 48 murders.

    8. Re:Um... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Well there is a tiny population in this country that paid some attention in their English and History courses. You are normally subjected to them while in those compulsory government detainment ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H education facilities we call high schools.

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    9. Re:Um... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Remember when you were young
      How the hero was never hung
      Always got away
      Remember how the man
      Used to leave you empty handed
      Always, always let you down

      If you ever change your mind
      About leaving it all behind
      Remember, remember, today
      And don't feel sorry
      The way it's gone
      And don't you worry
      'Bout what you've done

      Remember when you were small
      How people seemed so tall
      Always had their way
      Remember your ma and pa
      Just wishing for movie stardom
      Always, always playing a part
      If you ever feel so sad
      And the whole world is
      driving you mad
      Remember, remember, today
      And don't feel sorry
      'Bout the way it's gone
      And don't you worry
      'Bout what you've done
      Oh, no, remember, remember
      The fifth of November.

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    10. Re:Um... by mingot · · Score: 0

      What do you have against irregular verbs?

    11. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or those of us Americans who are interested in Poems or History. I don't see why the Gunpowder Treason Plot should ever be forgot. Or reattempted.

    12. Re:Um... by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      True, and the movie V for Vendetta did tragically poorly at the box office. It was one of the best movies made that year yet few people bothered to see it, and not many more saw it on DVD.

      And some of us saw it and thought it was puerile, pandering, and plain poor.

      And FWIW it completely discarded Alan Moore's original themes of fascism versus anarchism and replaced them with some kind of lib-dem feelgood wank where the conclusion has everybody dressing up in identical V masks, because apparently the new, kinder, gentler uniformity of opinion and action is much preferable to the kind they had before, and if we all just band together we can get rid of Surrogate Dick Cheney and Surrogate George Bush and elect a left-wing government. Or something.

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    13. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids fighting for a miss guided sense of freedom on a day where a man was trying to turn England in to a theocracy ruled by the pope.

    14. Re:Um... by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      Mach 20 whoosh.

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    15. Re:Um... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Sometimes people are looking to place politics in films that aren't actually there; you remind me of the people who saw (clips of) The Day After Tomorrow, with the president who looked like FDR who was somehow declared to be a stand-in for Cheney.

      Or have you somehow tricked yourself into thinking that the US followed the Bush Administration with a "left-wing government" - when in reality we are seeing just yet another Bush term?

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    16. Re:Um... by quickgold192 · · Score: 1

      And those who do know about it from the books/movies probably think it celebrates a stand against tyranny.

    17. Re:Um... by Noodlenoggin · · Score: 1

      If the purpose was to burn down London, then Anonymous is making a fashionably 2 month late entrance to _that_ party.

    18. Re:Um... by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes people are looking to place politics in films that aren't actually there

      If you don't even think V for Vendetta is about politics then the Wachowski brothers failed even more miserably than I thought they did.

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    19. Re:Um... by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      Or reads Brit Lit. Paddington anyone?

    20. Re:Um... by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Here's what Alan Moore, the author of V for Vendetta, had to say about the movie:

      When I wrote "V," politics were taking a serious turn for the worse over here. We'd had [Conservative Party Prime Minister] Margaret Thatcher in for two or three years, we'd had anti-Thatcher riots, we'd got the National Front and the right wing making serious advances. "V for Vendetta" was specifically about things like fascism and anarchy.

      Those words, "fascism" and "anarchy," occur nowhere in the film. It's been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country. In my original story there had been a limited nuclear war, which had isolated Britain, caused a lot of chaos and a collapse of government, and a fascist totalitarian dictatorship had sprung up. Now, in the film, you've got a sinister group of right-wing figures — not fascists, but you know that they're bad guys — and what they have done is manufactured a bio-terror weapon in secret, so that they can fake a massive terrorist incident to get everybody on their side, so that they can pursue their right-wing agenda. It's a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what "V for Vendetta" was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about [England]. The intent of the film is nothing like the intent of the book as I wrote it. And if the Wachowski brothers had felt moved to protest the way things were going in America, then wouldn't it have been more direct to do what I'd done and set a risky political narrative sometime in the near future that was obviously talking about the things going on today?

      I saw pretty much the same thing that Moore saw in the script in the film itself, and I thought it was pretty limp-dicked and lame for the Wachowski brothers to spin it that way. They should have written their own movie if that was what they wanted; now most people associate V for Vendetta with a bunch of bullshit that its creator wanted nothing to do with. And I say this as a fairly liberal guy myself, and as someone who is not a particular fan of the original comics. I just thought the movie was silly and its creators came off as thoroughly uncreative clowns.

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    21. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, remember the fifth of November Gunpowder, treason and plot I see no reason why gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'twas his intent To blow up the King and the Parliament Three score barrels of powder below Poor old England to overthrow By God's providence he was catched With a dark lantern and burning match Holloa boys, holloa boys God save the King! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! A penny loaf to feed ol' Pope A farthing cheese to choke him A pint of beer to rinse it down A faggot of sticks to burn him Burn him in a tub of tar Burn him like a blazing star Burn his body from his head Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead. Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!

    22. Re:Um... by demonlapin · · Score: 1
    23. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it the one where she was naked and petrified?

    24. Re:Um... by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      It's not a dumb date to pick because American's don't know the significance, it's a dumb date to pick because the plot was foiled on that date.

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    25. Re:Um... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      If you don't even think V for Vendetta is about politics then the Wachowski brothers failed even more miserably than I thought they did.

      I am well aware it is about politics in a dystopian future. What I was after was that people are placing it in the classic "left-right" bullshit view that is (in spite of completely lacking in applicability) applied to the US political system.

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    26. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It did poorly because nobody could figure out why everyone was wearing those Jack White masks. Yes, "Seven Nation Army" was cool at the time, but look at the White Stripes now...

    27. Re:Um... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      I couldn't make it through that movie. Very awful.

      I find it strange that Guy Fawkes idiot ends up being a hero or a symbol of freedom/anarchy/whatever. Guy Fawkes was not out to promote any sorts of liberties, he wanted to replace a Protestant monarch with a Catholic monarch. He failed at that, failed at achieving any aims at all, and so he's a hero because he's a reminder of no matter how badly you screw things up, someone is always a worse screw up than you.

      And Americans don't need to read comics books to know what 5th of November is. We have real books here that can be read instead. This is is taught in history classes (well, at least pre no-child-left-behind).

    28. Re:Um... by cubicle · · Score: 0

      Hey! Some of us saw that Natalie Portman movie!

      We watched it for Natalie Portman, As for the story all I can remember is some guy on fox news trash talking the Parliament in London saying something about taking them out like Sarah Palin did.

      You are thinking to yourself right Now!! Genius or Idiot?

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    29. Re:Um... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      The 5th of November means nothing to Australians, and I suspect New Zealanders as well. Sure, if you read history, you will know. So I should say, almost all Australians know nothing about the 5th of Nov, unless it is mentioned on the news on the day, and then forgotten 10 mins later.

      I do not have a lot of faith in my fellow aussies.

    30. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's a dumb date to pick because Guy Fawkes was trying to turn England into a Catholic ruled theocracy.

    31. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was significant long before comic books...its significant because it's in honor of a real person, whose name is Guy Fawkes.

    32. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't make it dumb. The fact that the plot was foiled makes it a source of resentment against the government, and the date therefore reminds us all to finish what Guy Fawkes' started.

    33. Re:Um... by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Why do you bring them up? Are you profiling?

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    34. Re:Um... by dingfelder · · Score: 1

      It is still pretty big in NZ, the largest fireworks time of the year.
      so I guess I stand corrected, it is much bigger in here than australia.
      (I had assumed that since it is still big here in NZ it was there too.)
      as I understand it now, Guy Fawkes (or Bonfire Night as some call it ove there)
      used to be a lot bigger in Australia until fireworks were cut down on a bit in the 70s

      some good info here: http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

    35. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the date therefore reminds us all to finish what Guy Fawkes' started.

      Make the world ruled by the catholic church?

    36. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      November? Australia? Cracker night is in June dude. Queen Victoria's birthday or something. Boom. I don't think many Australians know any more about Guy Fawkes than the average USain does.

    37. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Lightsabers rock!!! I bet November 5th is Jar-Jar's birthday.

    38. Re:Um... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Yup, they utterly mutilated an incredible story, and, as Moore said himself, Americanized it. He was writing about what he viewed as a particularly English form of fascism.

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    39. Re:Um... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The issue here is that the film utterly trashes the political message that Moore was making. It indeed turns it into some sort of Americanized story. Moore himself readily criticized the work. A movie made with Moore's intentions and vision would have been spectacular. To start with, it wouldn't have had an American actress with a horrible English accent. Second of all, it would have kept the good bits, like the bad guy have a romantic relationship with the computer.

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    40. Re:Um... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And they couldn't find a decent English actress, and had to import an American one, under the usual Hollywood theory that Americans won't watch a movie unless a big A list star, no matter how inappropriately cast, gets top billing.

      I'm sure Moore shudders every time he sees those infantile fuckwits claiming to be Anonymous running around with Guy Fawkes masks, demonstrating their immaturity and sheer stupidity.

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    41. Re:Um... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a lesson in the Gunpowder Plot for those Anonymous children. The Gunpowder Plotters didn't restore Catholics their liberties, they in fact pretty much fucked over English and Irish Catholics until the 19th century. Anonymous is creating the conditions under which governments will ultimately be able to justify destroying a free and open Internet. They're stupid, self-centered and uneducated, basing their world view on a fucking movie of all things, and they are going to fuck us all over.

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    42. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what happened on November 5, 1955

    43. Re:Um... by alexo · · Score: 1

      I think that you'll find the 5th of November more interesting than you suspected.

    44. Re:Um... by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      No American has any idea why the 5th of November is significant unless they read comic books. At least that's the truth for me.

      Well, shame on you. It was a significant event leading up to the foundation of your country, since religious persecution (which was what the Gunpowder Plot was all about) was the reason your founding fathers set sail on the Mayflower. That took place only 15 years after the Gunpowder Plot. While the dissenters on the Mayflower were protestants, they were opposed to any state interference in religion, which was enshrined in law the year after, and directly arising from, the failure of the plot.

    45. Re:Um... by lexsird · · Score: 1

      You are assuming these are indeed script kiddies and not operatives for a "tail wagging the dog" situation. But what can we say if you are right and it's just idiot kiddies. This is what we get for slacker parents dumping off kids into a shamefully stagnate education system. Not to mention the complete destruction of any sense of community in our society, to the point of us ignoring the modern robber barons as they steal from the public coffers until we are all paupers in the streets. How can we preach or teach morality to children when we can't get the concept past those who are in power? Leadership is more than having enough assholes to vote for you. There are qualities to the job which we seem to have lost sight of long ago in our own personal quests for self satisfaction. Now as we say in Iowa; "The chickens have come home to roost."

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    46. Re:Um... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Sort of how the rioters in England today are just going to have the government add more surveillance and restrict liberties more, rather than solving any social issues.

    47. Re:Um... by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      I still don't get it.

      So, there's this reactionary catholic asshole who wants to kill the king in order to replace him with a reactionary asshole catholic king.
      Wow, great revolutionary really.

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      1. Never tell everything you know.
    48. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aha, I live in Australia and I still have no idea what the fuck Guy Fawkes day is. I'm guessing that's the case for many Australians. I suppose if it was a public holiday we'd all have a better understanding of it/reason to care... heh.

    49. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OOOO you are so smart NOT.....the 5th of November is not a reference to comic books other than comic books took the idea from the real story which is Guy Fawkes Night, which by the way is still celebrated in England.......

      oh and I am American but I was not raised on comic books and I actually pay attention and don't believe everything people like you say.

    50. Re:Um... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 0

      Remember, remember
      The fifth of November,
      The gunpowder treason and plot.

      I know of no reason,
      The gunpowder treason,
      Should ever be forgot.


      The fifth of November is known as Guy Fawkes day in the U.K. (or at least Britain). It is a holiday which recalls the tale of a fellow who (for religious reasons primarily, IIRC) attempted to blow up Parliament with some kegs of gunpowder that he stashed in some tunnels under the appropriate building. His plan was foiled and he and his co-conspirators were hanged.

      Nowadays the holiday is primarily celebrated for recreational purposes, and, IIRC, it usually involves fireworks and kids getting bags of candy or something (kind of like Halloween in the States, but without the door to door part).

      I was born and raised in California and that is what I can remember about the fifth of November without looking it up via Google. How did I do? I'm guessing I proved you wrong to some extent.

      FWIW, I learned about Guy Fawkes day before V for Vendetta came out. There was an episode of an old cartoon about a cynical and sarcastic teenage girl named Daria where she is visited by three holiday spirits, or something like that. One of the spirits is the spirit of Guy Fawkes, which is amusingly depicted as a Sex Pistols style punk rocker with a badass mohawk and a funny British accent. Daria doesn't know who he is or what he is about. After watching that episode, I asked my World Cultures teacher about Guy Fawkes at school (HS level, grade 10ish). He told me most of what I wrote above, minus the nursery rhyme.

      Don't sell us Yanks short. Just because our leaders are incompetent, uncultured twits doesn't mean the rest of us are.

      Also, I think you were joking but I felt like showing off anyways.

    51. Re:Um... by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      I was born in Australia and have lived here all my life. I have never seen anyone here celebrate Guy Fawkes day, and I would be surprised if many people knew what date it was. What little I know about it I learned in my history class in high school, and from reading Famous Five books when I was a small child. The date is of no significance to Australian culture.

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    52. Re:Um... by assertation · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I was about to say the same thing.

    53. Re:Um... by xpwlq · · Score: 1

      Of course we did, it had guns, karate, explosions and Natalie Portman.

    54. Re:Um... by jimicus · · Score: 2

      Halle-freaking-lujah, someone else who gets it.

      We've already seen from China and many Arabic countries that contrary to popular belief, the Internet can be controlled - and it's not all that difficult. All you need to do is legislate that all major Internet providers in the country do X, where X is one or more of:

      - Block access to (list of IP addresses).
      - Implement HTTP filtering of (list of URLs).
      - Block outbound traffic on all ports except (list of whitelisted ports).
      - Block inbound traffic except for (list of whitelisted inbound traffic).
      - Agree to extend these blocks to cover any arbitrary thing on short notice.

      This is an extreme dystopian scenario, and isn't one I see happening any time soon. What I do see happening is that the UK already has an Internet blacklist of sorts managed by a quango called the Internet Watch Foundation, which is nominally there to block child porn. You can't easily avoid this in the UK unless you explicitly seek out a very small ISP which openly admits to not using the IWF list or anything like it.

      I can easily see the IWF mandate being extended to cover anything which promotes terrorism or civil unrest.

    55. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

      There was a time when you could board an airplane without any hassle, some idiots screwed us all...
      There was a time you could go at a grocery and say "I'm 20$ short, I'll give it back to you tomorow", some idiots screwed us all..
      There was a time when you could leave your doors unlocked while you were INSIDE your house, some idiots screwed us all...
      There was a time where you could use the internet to do pretty much whatever you wanted, some idiots are screwing us all...

    56. Re:Um... by Spad · · Score: 1

      He isn't, at least outside of V and amongst people who actually know what history is.

      The 5th of November in the UK isn't a celebration of Guy Fawkes as so many people seem to believe, it's a day that remembers the foiling of his plot to blow up the Houses of Parliament.

      Remember, remember, the 5th of November
      Gunpowder, treason and plot
      I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
      Should ever be forgot...

    57. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always easier to kick over sand castles "for the lulz" than it is to build anything worthwhile. It's not enough to destroy the bad things in the world. You have to build something good in their place. And if you're not even doing a good job choosing your targets and nibbling away at authority in a constructive way, then what the hell is the point? As you say, all you're doing is encouraging the use of drastic measures by the people in power. Anonymous isn't encouraging a free and open internet, they're undermining it.

      Anonymous has all the focus and direction of an angry 3-year old.

    58. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the internet is already closed down and under surveillance. Let's build a people to people Mesh network and they can go fuck themselves. We have the power to do anything we want, but we don't do it. There is always someone who has to do it for us.

      If you want to protect the internet you are still protecting THEIR internet, not ours.

      http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox

    59. Re:Um... by lastx33 · · Score: 1

      "Anonymous is creating the conditions under which governments will ultimately be able to justify destroying a free and open Internet." Our governments are doing this anyway without requiring any justification other than the generic "threat of terrorism".

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    60. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe... just maybe... Anonymous is a government plot in order to get public opinion to allow them to police the internet.

    61. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say so like if they weren't going to do it anyway. In fact maybe they planned this all along.

    62. Re:Um... by Denogh · · Score: 0

      Remember remember the fifth of November
      Gunpowder, treason and plot.
      I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
      Should ever be forgot...

    63. Re:Um... by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Not that I agree with the rioters, but the status quo isn't exactly working to their benefit. And that, I think, is the root cause of the problem.

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    64. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      November 5th, 1955 ?? This was the day that Doc Brown invented time travel!!

    65. Re:Um... by Pope · · Score: 1

      It also got delayed from an actual November 5th release date to the next Spring, greatly diminishing its box office potential. You can advertise a movie for a few months then delay it for ~5 more and expect it be top of mind for the audience.

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    66. Re:Um... by martas · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's not so bad? Seems to me the best way to fix a screwed up system is to make it so much worse that even the most satisfied portion of society is ready to spill some blood in a real revolution.

    67. Re:Um... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Other than a few notable exceptions, most revolutions usually end up with no improvement, or something even worse.

      --
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    68. Re:Um... by martas · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that is true in the short term, but I think the benefit of a revolution is that it makes more "stable" changes possible, i.e. creates a situation where there are necessarily less established powers, and hence more "freedom." This can be good or bad depending on who gets their hands on that freedom first, but at least it can be an opportunity.

      E.g., the post-soviet countries (admittedly not your typical revolution, but still informative I think). True, in many aspects many of them are worse off today than in 1988. There's probably more extreme poverty, lack of education, crime (both violent and other), etc. Still though, if given the choice, how many people in those countries do you think would go back to the USSR? (The real one, not the idealized utopia it had a lot of people convinced it was through very effective propaganda.)

    69. Re:Um... by CmdrPorno · · Score: 1

      Yes, and she was covered in hot grits.

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    70. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was always my thought that they were moreso going for the idea that once it gets absolutely bad enough, people will eventually stop lying down and taking it. It won't be an immediate thing. Hell, it may take years or decades, but they're thinking that slowly but surely, people will start doing something about the horrendous situation the country is in.

      On the blatantly obvious flipside of the coin, in the book 1984 (oh so commonly used as a lesson plan these days), the hope was that the proles would rise up. It's all about the proles. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow... but the proles will rise up. Just wait. Just wait.

    71. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or unless you saw this.

    72. Re:Um... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      "Doctor, it hurts when I do this."
      "Well then poke it harder and maybe it'll get better!"

    73. Re:Um... by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      I find it strange that Guy Fawkes idiot ends up being a hero or a symbol of freedom/anarchy/whatever. Guy Fawkes was not out to promote any sorts of liberties, he wanted to replace a Protestant monarch with a Catholic monarch. He failed at that, failed at achieving any aims at all, and so he's a hero because he's a reminder of no matter how badly you screw things up, someone is always a worse screw up than you.

      Maybe that's why he was EpicFailGuy on 4chan before he actually became the "face" of Anonymous.

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    74. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously guys... are we talking about the day Abraham Lincoln removes George B. McClellan as commander of the Union Army for the second and final time? Or the day Columbia joined the UN?

    75. Re:Um... by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

      If an US Citizen can't use Google, then I have seriously and erroneously overestimated how smart the US really is...

  7. ohpleaseohplease by SoupGuru · · Score: 1

    What a glorious day it would be if they were successful. Knock out TV for a while too and we might end up having to talk to each other. EEK!

    --
    What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
    1. Re:ohpleaseohplease by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      No, we still have G+

    2. Re:ohpleaseohplease by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, really "glorious". Lets face it, most of the people we are in physical contact with suck at interesting convos. For example, unless you are really lucky, the majority of your co-worker's convos will revolve around A) Survivor/American Idol/The Bachelor(ette)/Big Brother/other reality shows B) Sports C) Rather boring stories about their (grand)kids/spouse/other family member or D) Small talk/gossip about the weather, other co-workers, or other idle chitchat.

      Lets face it, without the internet/media our convos wouldn't suddenly turn to philosophy, engineering, science and literature, but would be mostly the same only you couldn't talk to people outside of your geographic area.

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    3. Re:ohpleaseohplease by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Of course, no one uses Facebook while at work, so I doubt anything will change during daylight hours.

    4. Re:ohpleaseohplease by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 1

      Thank God the internet was invented so we could subsequently invent philosophy, engineering, science and literature.

    5. Re:ohpleaseohplease by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Yes, a forcible and illegal cyber attack by members of /b/ (of all people) designed to destroy a social network will be the beginning of a golden age of civility. Thats EXACTLY what will happen.

    6. Re:ohpleaseohplease by dmdavis · · Score: 1

      And 9 month later, we'll have another baby boom on our hands.

    7. Re:ohpleaseohplease by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Lets face it, without the internet/media our convos wouldn't suddenly turn to philosophy, engineering, science and literature, but would be mostly the same only you couldn't talk to people outside of your geographic area.

      Odd, they seem to around me. But maybe that's because none of my friends are ridiculous enough to feel the need to abbreviate the word 'conversation' to 'convo', and can actually handle polysyllabic words.

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  8. It would be interesting... by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting... seeing all those pasty people crawl from their
    subterranean domiciles and surrender themselves to the sun, squinting
    as their virtual world, disappears.

    Maybe my roommate could pick up a tan.

    -AI

    --
    For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
    1. Re:It would be interesting... by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The majority of people on facebook are well adjusted, sociable people. Facebook is used to let your friends know what you're up to without having to call them one by one. It's used to share photos, without having to email out links to an online album. It's used to make plans and invite people to parties. Yes, it's also used for stupid shit like Farmville, but even the people who play that generally do other things too. Methinks you're projecting.

    2. Re:It would be interesting... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Are you sure you're not talking about Slashdot being destroyed?

    3. Re:It would be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who use facebook deserve pain and suffering.

      Captcha was "idiots".

    4. Re:It would be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    5. Re:It would be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Methinks you're projecting."

      And methinks you work for facebook.

    6. Re:It would be interesting... by Sardokaur · · Score: 1

      You got it all wrong. Some people use it for stupid things like socializing, but it's actually pretty nice gaming platform.

    7. Re:It would be interesting... by cffrost · · Score: 1

      The majority of people on facebook are well adjusted, sociable people. [...] Methinks you're projecting.

      Methinks you're deluded.
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=status-update-im-so-glamorous

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    8. Re:It would be interesting... by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 1

      Methinks you're projecting.

      Methinks you're whoosh...

      but that's cool,
      =)

      -AI

      --
      For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
    9. Re:It would be interesting... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The end of Surrogates has a scene like this.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    10. Re:It would be interesting... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If that happened you'd either have the end of the recession, if it took place during work hours, or a world-wide power grid meltdown, if it happened after work hours (from a combination of users F5'ing and firing up their gaming machines to pass the time).

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  9. Good luck, script kiddies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook has more server capacity and bandwidth than most small countries. It's going to take more than a DDOS from a few thousand script kiddies to take them down.

    1. Re:Good luck, script kiddies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DDOS won't work. But the internet hate machine has plenty of trolling Facebook account that are friended into many network. I believe they are going to flood the site with child pornography which will cause the site to be banned and effectively destroying Facebook as the FBI are taking away each servers for forensic analysis.

  10. Thanks, Everyone! by Chysn · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    [Facebook] gives users the illusion of and hides the details away from them "for their own good"

    One day you will look back on this and realise what we have done here is right, you will thank the rulers of the internet, we are not harming you but saving you.

    Well... at least everyone is looking out for my interests.

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  11. Judgment: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like!

  12. groan by Literaphile · · Score: 1, Redundant

    What a bunch of self-absorbed attention whores.

    1. Re:groan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do it for free, making them self-absorbed attention sluts.

    2. Re:groan by cffrost · · Score: 1

      What a bunch of self-absorbed attention whores.

      Scientific American supports your assessment; Facebook lusers are indeed self-absorbed attention whores:
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=status-update-im-so-glamorous

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    3. Re:groan by Scott+Scott · · Score: 1

      Ur, no. The relevant information that link provides is what we already know:

      1. College students with self-esteem issues use Facebook a lot.
      2. Self-absorbed college students use Facebook a lot.
      3. Self-absorbed college students make a lot of self-aggrandizing posts on Facebook.
      4. Self-absorbed college students upload a lot of self-aggrandizing photos on Facebook.

      It's pretty obvious that other people use Facebook too.

  13. Helpful Tyler Durden? by kaliann · · Score: 1

    "Destroy Facebook servers. People make real friends while rioting in the streets."
    Somebody took the demotivational meme a bit too seriously.

    http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/daa/

  14. I hope they succeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they succeed.

  15. Baby, Bathwater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anonymous may have a technical point about Facebook's motives & mechanisms, but they've missed the point. Facebook has become something of a default mechanism for people to stay in touch and communicate, and for some people to store photos etc. To do anything to take down Facebook would be hurting many millions of blameless people. It's all very well to say that people could just go and find an alternative like Google+, but in the end it's not up to anonymous to decide unilaterally that Facebook=Bad. If they want people off Facebook "for their own good", they should mount a public information campaign and let people decide for themselves. Militancy in this case is simply the wrong, most hurtful approach.

    1. Re:Baby, Bathwater. by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      Well let us not forget: it's also not terribly likely to happen.

    2. Re:Baby, Bathwater. by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Of course, by "Destroy Facebook" they might mean "Officially Launch AnonPlus" which, of course, will be immediately followed by everyone deleting their Facebook accounts and switching to AnonPlus, of their own free will.

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      Fanatically anti-fanatical
  16. Right.. by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

    "Anonymous" is full of shit.

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    Gone!
    1. Re:Right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Anonymous" is full of shit.

      Please explain.

  17. Feel the Wrath of A Million Limp-Wristed Slaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure some stupid kids can ping Facebook until it dies. Yep, that sounds likely. That is how the internet works.

    1. Re:Feel the Wrath of A Million Limp-Wristed Slaps by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      To be honest facebook doesn't exactly have a stellar track record as far as security is concerned. Maybe there IS a vuln or two waiting to be exploited...

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    2. Re:Feel the Wrath of A Million Limp-Wristed Slaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be clear: all anon has done so far has been SQL injections and DDOS attacks. Not the most sophisticated "hacking".

    3. Re:Feel the Wrath of A Million Limp-Wristed Slaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet hate machine has plenty of trolling Facebook accounts that are friended into many network. I believe they are going to flood the site with child pornography which will cause the site to be banned and effectively destroying Facebook as the FBI is taking away each servers for forensic analysis.

  18. What a great picture of Zucker they chose by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    FTFA: He looks like a fish. What are the odds that they're intentionally trying to make him look dumb in an article about Anon's intent to dismantle his cash cow?

    1. Re:What a great picture of Zucker they chose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually we did it to make him look like he was about to take a big dick in the mouth. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

    2. Re:What a great picture of Zucker they chose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invisible cock

  19. Re:that's been the model of free services by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    I'll borrrow you as an example but incomplete post.

    Facebook like it or not achieved serious traction well beyond MySpace.

    So to destroy them takes a SERIOUS campaign, well beyond what a 1 shot Anonymous can do,

    Google+ is promising, but not the whole answer. Neither is a MS service or an Apple service.

    We need one more player with BUCKS to Show them how it's done and shut these guys up.

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  20. Title incomplete. should read... by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 1, Funny

    The full title was intended to say, "Anonymous Vows To Destroy Facebook. Nothing of value to be lost."

  21. While Anonymous are a bunch of dicks... by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    ...I have to admit they are right (in this case).

    Not that being right gives them the right to destroy.

    --
    I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    1. Re:While Anonymous are a bunch of dicks... by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 1

      What are they right about? That facebook sells your data? Most people that use facebook know that already, and if Anon thinks that people shouldn't be able to choose to let someone sell their data, then they are assholes for trying to tell other people what to do.

    2. Re:While Anonymous are a bunch of dicks... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Behind every activist is an authoritarian just waiting to leap out. "We want you to be free to do things the way we want!"

      --
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    3. Re:While Anonymous are a bunch of dicks... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'll remember that next time I see libertarians (like the Tea Party?) protesting.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  22. funny, and I here thought 4chan was a free website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe all of them have 4chan Gold Accounts

  23. Someone has delusions of grandeur.. by Billlagr · · Score: 2

    One day you will look back on this and realise what we have done here is right, you will thank the rulers of the internet, we are not harming you but saving you.

    Sooo... moved from self-appointed guardians of the masses to self-appointed rulers of the internet eh? In that case..I declare myself Ruler of Australia! No, wait, Ruler of the World! One day you'll thank me for it!

    1. Re:Someone has delusions of grandeur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe their preferred term is "final boss of the internet" and its not new, its just that some moralfags confused you about what anonymous is.

    2. Re:Someone has delusions of grandeur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It certainly is new, the 14 year olds who play that pretend horseshit haven't been around long enough in real terms for it to be old yet.

    3. Re:Someone has delusions of grandeur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm thanking you already.

    4. Re:Someone has delusions of grandeur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well someone has to rule the internet.. Its a bit confusing, what with L0pht, black hat, china, n korea, some dirty rats, mafiaa, mpaa, riaa, fbi, microsoft, dhs, gooGLe, faceBOOK, and Tor, its confusing, Apple and now anonymouse and a lot of others.. al queeda, russia, Apnic geez the shaw of iran who knows who else. Everybody wants to rule the world/internet..

    5. Re:Someone has delusions of grandeur.. by Wovel · · Score: 1

      I already thank you.

      Thank you.

  24. Could Anonymous be GOOGLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet anonymous is Google......they copy and take your money for fakes and now going after others and threatening them! Sounds like Google to me!

    1. Re:Could Anonymous be GOOGLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf are you talking about, where have you been for the last 5 years?

    2. Re:Could Anonymous be GOOGLE by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      I bet anonymous is Apple......they copy and take your money for fakes and now going after others and threatening them! Sounds like Apple to me!

      I bet anonymous is Oracle......they copy and take your money for fakes and now going after others and threatening them! Sounds like Oracle to me!

      I bet anonymous is Microsoft......they copy and take your money for fakes and now going after others and threatening them! Sounds like Microsoft to me!

      Oh you were trying to stain that particular Corp, carry on.

  25. The hight of arrogance and hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, because tens of millions of people love facebook, facebook is therefore exploiting them. No, in actuality, facebook is providing – for free – a service to people who willingly sign up for it. Those bastards. It is, however, the right and duty of the omniscient anonymous to tell everyone what is good for them, because clearly they know better than the tens of millions of happy facebook users what is actually good for them. Why is it that “well intentioned” liberals always know what is best for everyone else, and then try and force their solutions down their throat? Maybe anonymous can make up a virtual Great Society for us all to die in. “Oh, Brave New World!”

    1. Re:The hight of arrogance and hypocrisy by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 2

      Why would you assume these people are liberals? And well-intentioned at that? They seem more like... well honestly, teenagers. Not really cohesive, politically speaking, just raging for the sake of raging. Not really caring about the harm they're causing because they've never had responsibility or faced consequences. Basking in the attention they would never get any other way. Shit like that.

    2. Re:The hight of arrogance and hypocrisy by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Yep, Anonymous are/is pretty much just vandals. Lulz Sec at least seemed to have a clear agenda. They were doing to have a good time and to point out the stupidity and arrogance of others. Not the most noble of ambitions, no, but something you cheer for as long as it did go to far. Anonymous on the other had seems more like the London rioters. Something sets them off but they are mostly out there because they are angry at the world and just want smash something.

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  26. If Anonymous is in any way sucessful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millions of willing facebook users will hate you and all your future causes. And may become advocates for whatever excesses law enforcement may wish upon you.

    1. Re:If Anonymous is in any way sucessful by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a false flag...that would make sense.

    2. Re:If Anonymous is in any way sucessful by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're an idiot.

    3. Re:If Anonymous is in any way sucessful by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 1

      Thanks for adding so much to the conversation.

  27. Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The world is crumbling around our feet. the Middle East is lighting on fire. England is Rioting. American Congress caused the value of the dollar to fall through the floor and our major enemy is Facebook?

    1. Re:Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The world is always crumbling around our feet...

    2. Re:Target by Noodlenoggin · · Score: 1

      The world is crumbling around our feet. the Middle East is lighting on fire. England is Rioting. American Congress caused the value of the dollar to fall through the floor and our major enemy is Facebook?

      First world problems.

    3. Re:Target by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Yes, well at least the riots in England are the worst of Europe's troubles.

    4. Re:Target by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative

      The world is crumbling around our feet

      Just like it's done so many times before, only worse. Not that you can trouble yourself, of course, to read about the Dark Ages, or either of those pesky World Wars, or the 1918 flu epidemic, or anything like that.

      the Middle East is lighting on fire

      Yeah, just like it's been for thousands of years.

      England is Rioting

      Just like they've done before. Not that you've, again, bothered to study any history, or heard about the time London really burned down, or was bombed to rubble - just pick one episode and bone up on it.

      American Congress caused the value of the dollar to fall through the floor

      Ah, OK. It's now clear that you're completely clueless.

      and our major enemy is Facebook?

      No, that's the fashionable target for a bunch of simpering script kiddies. There's no "our" there.

      --
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    5. Re:Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they better kill facebook quickly before it's too late!

    6. Re:Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps I should go on a diet?

    7. Re:Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world is crumbling around our feet. the Middle East is lighting on fire. England is Rioting. American Congress caused the value of the dollar to fall through the floor and our major enemy is Facebook?

      "Oh... bad things are happening around the world... why are we focusing on something as minor as privacy leaks?"
      I'll not say how retarded this is.

      Privacy should be a basic right, one that allows free speech. Anything that can undermine free speech is dangerous and can turn the world into a distopia on the long run.
      Everyone should have the right to speak without being judged for what they are or have done. Everyone should be equal.

    8. Re:Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning.

    9. Re:Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern historians no longer consider the middle ages "dark".

      Also the idea that the middle east has always been in political turmoil is simply not true. Modern instability started during the early 1900s and are largely the fault of western powers. Before then the middle east was a relatively stable place, even home to the Arabic empire which practiced, among other things, free religion during a period of time Jews and other minorities were persecuted in Europe. Europe, historically speaking, has been a much worse place to live then the middle east.

      Just an FYI.

    10. Re:Target by he-sk · · Score: 1

      Wow, you bring up the (so-called) Dark Ages, yet assert at the same time that the Middle East has been on fire for thousands of years?!

      Here's a clue-stick: Who do you think saved those works from antiquity so that renaissance scholars could rediscover them and jump-start the enlightenment era in Europe? It was Islamic scholars, and they were only able to do so because the Islamic empire was a beacon of civilisation for almost a thousand years.

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    11. Re:Target by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Who do you think saved those works from antiquity so that renaissance scholars could rediscover them and jump-start the enlightenment era in Europe? It was Islamic scholars, and they were only able to do so because the Islamic empire was a beacon of civilisation for almost a thousand years.

      Not exactly, no. Even during the dark ages, it's not like everything of any scholarly value was being destroyed. Many of those "works from antiquity" were either ignored, or hidden by Europeans. Many were simply lost in time, to be dug up at a later date.

      Much of it was also saved by Muslim scholars, yes. And yes, the Islamic empire was "a beacon of civilization", in the sense that Afghanistan might be considered a "beacon of civilization" for Somalia. That's not really saying much, though. Let's not pretend that the Islamic world has ever had anything even slightly similar to the Enlightenment, or the secular, scientific, democratic societies which stemmed from the Enlightenment.

    12. Re:Target by he-sk · · Score: 1

      No, the Islamic world had nothing comparable to the Enlightenment, and never completely separated the Church from the State. And I never claimed that they did. But they were definitely on a path towards that accomplishment. And let's not pretend that this principle is not being assaulted by reactionary forces in the West. You should never rest on the laurels of your ancestors.

      As for science -- the whole scientific process was invented in the Islamic world, even if it wasn't formulated as such. By that I mean that a theory has to fit all the available data and is refined through constant experimentation. The world "Algebra" has its root in an Arabic text. That alone shows their influence in the field, even if they didn't invent all the methods. In astronomy, they compiled a huge amount of data (and tried to explain it with some success) that was used by European astronomers centuries later. And in medicine they led the field for 7 centuries and many of their insights have not been disproven to this day (only refined) in contrast to the earlier Greek assumptions about how the body works. They invented the hospital, clinical trials and animal testing, first described how infectious diseases spread, and first described many structures and processes of the body, including the pulmonary, coronary and metabolic systems.

      The simple fact that the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance is called the Dark Ages betrays an incredible anti-Islamic bias in Western thought. Because outside of Europe, and even in Moorish Spain, civilization was flourishing. And if you don't believe me, you should travel to those places and look at all the archeological evidence that can still be seen today. They are just as amazing as the stuff the Romans build.

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    13. Re:Target by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      But they were definitely on a path towards that accomplishment

      Sure, but somehow they never got there.

      As for science -- the whole scientific process was invented in the Islamic world, even if it wasn't formulated as such.

      I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and suggest that the Greeks might have beat them by a few years. Plus we have records of Egyptian discussions on empirical methodology even earlier than that. But yes, Islamic scholars did contribute quite a bit during the 500 years when they were relatively free to do good science. I never claimed otherwise.

      The simple fact that the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance is called the Dark Ages betrays an incredible anti-Islamic bias in Western thought. Because outside of Europe, and even in Moorish Spain, civilization was flourishing.

      lol. No, man. It "betrays" the fact that we tend to focus on the history of our ancestors, rather than the history of other cultures. It's utterly absurd to claim that the phrase "dark ages" is anti-Islamic.

    14. Re:Target by he-sk · · Score: 1

      It "betrays" the fact that we tend to focus on the history of our ancestors, rather than the history of other cultures.

      The problem with this view is that it tends to see history as a collection of locally, chronologically and culturally isolated events (and gives a false importance to them), when in truth cultures from different parts of the globe have influenced each other since pre-historic times.

      But yes, Islamic scholars did contribute quite a bit during the 500 years when they were relatively free to do good science. I never claimed otherwise.

      IHMO you did when you compared them to (present-day) Afghanistan and Somalia.

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    15. Re:Target by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The problem with this view is that it tends to see history as a ...

      Yes, yes, I'm aware of the problem, but there's so much history that we could dedicated 50% of a students school-time to it from grade 1 until university, and still not cover everything in any kind of significant detail. We have enough difficulty teaching history to kids as it is - I don't think we'd be doing them any favors by trying to squeeze in 10 times as much material.

      IHMO you did when you compared them to (present-day) Afghanistan and Somalia.

      I didn't compare Islam to Afghanistan and Somalia, I suggested that, during the dark ages, the Caliphate was to Europe what Afghanistan is (today) to Somalia. And that was in the context of your claim that the Islamic world was "a beacon of civilization", so I wasn't speaking specifically about science anyway. In other words, yes, they were far better, but they were still far from what we would consider civilized or progressive.

  28. Bunch of self-important pompous kiddies... by kiwimate · · Score: 0, Redundant

    This is our world now. We exist without nationality, without religious bias. We have the right to not be surveilled, not be stalked, and not be used for profit. We have the right to not live as slaves.

    We are anonymous
    We are legion
    We do not forgive
    We do not forget
    Expect us

    Good heavens, what a lot of drivel. They could, I suppose, just not join Facebook, but instead of taking some personal responsibility they'd rather wave their egos around. Wonderful. Whoever wrote this little piece of poetry may not be some angst-ridden prepubescent teenager, but they sure write like one.

    1. Re:Bunch of self-important pompous kiddies... by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't have to join Facebook to be tracked by them. See those Facebook buttons on almost every site? Yeah, they're using those to track you.

      "When a user does not have a Facebook account, there is no cookie and no user ID available. In this case, an HTTP GET request for the 'Like' button doesn't issue a cookie.
      "However, when a site is visited which includes Facebook Connect, this application issues a cookie. From that moment on, visits to other websites which display the 'Like' button result in a request for the Like button from the Facebook server including the cookie."

      http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/11/30/facebooks-button-tracking-you/

      Sure, it can be blocked fairly easily, but it's an opt-out, not opt-in. And many (most?) people have no idea.

    2. Re:Bunch of self-important pompous kiddies... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I'm not worried about the Facebook buttons.

      It's the 'http://' in every URL. It's being used to TRAAAACK US AAAAALLLLLL!

      Don't get me going about what ampersands are being used for.

    3. Re:Bunch of self-important pompous kiddies... by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Well geez. Where do I go for my slave duty? apparently I've been totally neglecting it.

      Also, being used for a profit? Also known as "A job".

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  29. There will be lulz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unless they know something that we don't there is no way this is going to work or end in anything but embarrassment for the anons trying to do this.

  30. November 5 by newton62 · · Score: 0

    Maybe they should pick a date when someone was successful at their mission unlike your friend Guido.

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    1. Re:November 5 by Yaur · · Score: 1

      yeah... July 14th would seem appropriate on multiple levels.

  31. November 5th is Guy Fawkes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it did not ring my bell

  32. Re:understand how much information by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I mostly understand, and I'm midline.

    It's Cardinal Richelieu all over again and his 6 lines to smear anyone.

    Everyone has some 1.6% pages they want to keep private, so the end of the world would be 2012 with all browising histories of anyone anywhere starting with the 4000 men and women in power across the globe + 10,000 close cronies.

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  33. Anono-hypocrites by MikeV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Authoritarian governments by definition rule people because they think the people cannot self-rule. As in, authoritarian governments think they are "saving" their people. With that in mind, balance this quote from Anonymouse: "Some of these so-called whitehat infosec firms are working for authoritarian governments, such as those of Egypt and Syria." ...with this one a few sentences down:

    "One day you will look back on this and realise what we have done here is right, you will thank the rulers of the internet, we are not harming you but saving you."

    Sound familiar? Anonymouse are doing what those they claim to fight against are doing. Just another dictatorship that claims to be "rulers of the internet" that defends its "dictatorship" with petty DDoS attacks and makes outlandish and extremist claims that are on par with the "We will destroy America" claims we hear from the dits in the Mid-East. In the end, Anonymouse are nothing but wannabe digital terrorists and nothing they have done or will do matters. Their activities are as much a waste of time results-wise as the Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda and all the years of ridiculous and resultsless claims, proclamations and violence had accomplished nothing, while one humble fella with a can of gasoline and a match set the dominoes falling, toppling governments in one simple act of self-immolation. And, interestingly, as much as they brag about being anonymous, a bunch of them are being rounded up by the Feds. So much for anarchistic intelligence.

    1. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's deliberate irony. It's hard to tell for certain, but I seriously doubt that any substantial portion of anonymous considers themselves (or the "group" as a whole) to be 'rulers of the internet'. They've also got a very good point here - most of Facebook's users are unaware of the extent to which they are being abused, and this is Facebook's intent. It's nowhere near as bad as authoritarian governments, true, but that doesn't make Facebook any less in need of stopping. Or just stomping, that would work too.

      There's a big difference between thinking the people incapable and thinking them uninformed.

    2. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aside from the fact that I take exception with your horrible interpretation of what you read, I simply cannot bring myself to take seriously a man who appears to type the word "Anonymouse" with a straight face.

    3. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Authoritarian governments by definition rule people because they think the people cannot self-rule.

      The people have never ruled themselves. At best they get to choose who rules them - the strong, the productive or the smart. At worst, there is no choice.

    4. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well no, technically they are freeing you from the control to do whatever you want. That's what they think, and its what you got in America. Y'all just make real poor choices.

    5. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And my parents who punished me "for my own good" were hypocritical authoritarian government leaders dictating their filial-terroristic views on innocent children. I don't know what's sillier, your view of anonymous ("rulers of the internet"? anonymous' "dictatorship? WTF?) or your ability to parallel such unrelated ideas with the same ease as anyone with PC, internet, and freely available software could launch a DDoS nowadays.

    6. Re:Anono-hypocrites by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Authoritarian governments by definition rule people because they think the people cannot self-rule. As in, authoritarian governments think they are "saving" their people. With that in mind, balance this quote from Anonymouse: "Some of these so-called whitehat infosec firms are working for authoritarian governments, such as those of Egypt and Syria." ...with this one a few sentences down:

      "One day you will look back on this and realise what we have done here is right, you will thank the rulers of the internet, we are not harming you but saving you."

      Sound familiar? Anonymouse are doing what those they claim to fight against are doing. Just another dictatorship that claims to be "rulers of the internet" that defends its "dictatorship" with petty DDoS attacks and makes outlandish and extremist claims that are on par with the "We will destroy America" claims we hear from the dits in the Mid-East. In the end, Anonymouse are nothing but wannabe digital terrorists and nothing they have done or will do matters. Their activities are as much a waste of time results-wise as the Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda and all the years of ridiculous and resultsless claims, proclamations and violence had accomplished nothing, while one humble fella with a can of gasoline and a match set the dominoes falling, toppling governments in one simple act of self-immolation. And, interestingly, as much as they brag about being anonymous, a bunch of them are being rounded up by the Feds. So much for anarchistic intelligence.

      The difference is that Anonymous isn't saving you by telling you what to do. They're saving you by (in their mind) killing a parasite.

      Al qaeda gave the executive branch(es) cover to grab a lot more surveillance power. Maybe, had it not been al qaeda, it would have been something else. But that's not the case it was them and not something else. Erosion of civil liberties and rapid expansion of surveillance and associated bureaucracies is more destructive to America than killing its people. Bin Laden said that spreading fear was his intent in recorded videos. One need look no farther than Congress to hear people expressing fear for their personal safety and why basic tenets of freedom (press, speech, 4th amendment) need to be struck down to protect it.

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      When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
    7. Re:Anono-hypocrites by alexo · · Score: 1

      I simply cannot bring myself to take seriously a man who appears to type the word "Anonymouse" with a straight face.

      You could see his face while he typed it? I had no idea that our privacy eroded that much.

    8. Re:Anono-hypocrites by ender- · · Score: 1

      The difference is that Anonymous isn't saving you by telling you what to do. They're saving you by (in their mind) killing a parasite.

      Al qaeda gave the executive branch(es) cover to grab a lot more surveillance power. Maybe, had it not been al qaeda, it would have been something else. But that's not the case it was them and not something else. Erosion of civil liberties and rapid expansion of surveillance and associated bureaucracies is more destructive to America than killing its people. Bin Laden said that spreading fear was his intent in recorded videos. One need look no farther than Congress to hear people expressing fear for their personal safety and why basic tenets of freedom (press, speech, 4th amendment) need to be struck down to protect it.

      From the government's point of view, what LulzSec and Anonymous are doing is digital terrorism. Perhaps it doesn't take actual lives [yet], but it makes the masses fearful. So eventually our fine Congress is going to decide that something must be done. A digital war will be declared [or not, as it were], and our freedoms online will be taken from us in the name of security, just as our personal freedoms have been taken from us in pieces over the last 10 years.

      Of course, a conspiracy theorist might decide that it was the government itself performing these acts of digital terrorism, as an excuse to put into place more control over the internet. I don't quite go that far, in spite of the fact that I'm pretty sure the government hates the openness of the internet.

      Either way it saddens me. While I wouldn't mourn the loss of Facebook, I think Anonymous is just providing good excuses for the further loss of freedom and anonymity online.

    9. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      "Sound familiar? Anonymouse are doing what those they claim to fight against are doing."

      Not too familiar with the concept of dissidence and revolution, I take it? That is exactly how it is, every time. Small group of outsiders, attempting to push their agenda, which they believe represents the true will of the complacent populace. If it gathers enough support, it becomes a revolution.

      For a good example case, see Thomas Paine.

    10. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they're Nietzschian supermen: Robin Hoods and comic book style heros out to save the repressed with their vigilante style justice. This is what the Taliban initially brought to Afghanistan when they displaced the US backed Mujahideen back before there was such a thing as a global war on terror. In their own minds they are the good guys and usually aren't working towards personal gain. Authoritarian governments on the other hand are just exploiting and repressing others for their own gain. In an authoritarian system there may or may not be an element of "saving the people" and it's usually only for propaganda and therefore population control. That's a much different psychology than saving the people from some evil supervillain. That's not to say that some authoritarians didn't start out as vigilante heroes. Still, I agree about the hypocrisy. As with all comic book characters, their motives are dubious and their methods abhorrent.

    11. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait what? You are actually claiming that a anarchistic group of hackers are a dictatorship.
      You sir are a rock, since a rock has no proper reasoning ability and neither do you. QED.

    12. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Syberz · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but Al Qaeda's actions were not a waste of time.

      Don't believe me?

      How much has the US spent on the wars in the Middle East so far? Yeah... most of that money could have been spent on healthcare, education or boosting the economy (admittedly, the war spending does keep some people employed).

      From Al Qaeda's point of view, with a few box cutters, IED's and vintage assault riffles, they've managed to make the US waste tons of money and the US people lose the very rights that they are "fighting for" in the Middle East. So yeah, I wouldn't call that a waste of time.

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      ~Syberz
    13. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      Anonymouse? Seriously? Do you have a spelling impediment or just have the mind of a 10 year old child?

      --
      But... the future refused to change.
    14. Re:Anono-hypocrites by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Isn't the definition of terrorism being constantly expanded as we get more and more fearful? The USA PATRIOT Act managed a lot of this expansion as I recall. I don't think kidnapping was terrorism before that.

      --
      When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
    15. Re:Anono-hypocrites by ender- · · Score: 1

      Isn't the definition of terrorism being constantly expanded as we get more and more fearful? The USA PATRIOT Act managed a lot of this expansion as I recall. I don't think kidnapping was terrorism before that.

      Of course. Which is why this is not a good thing that Anonymous is threatening to do. The government will expand their definition of terrorism again, and do some more expanding of whatever trumped-up, PATRIOT Act style rules they want.

    16. Re:Anono-hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome dude, I saw that "e" at the end of "Anonymous" and I was like "oh shit!!!!" I bet you put $ in your "Microsoft"s too! Nice one bro!

  34. Question how concerned is Mark? by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Personally I'd be very worried if I were him. Groups like Lulz Sec have shown they have people among them who are highly capable and are able to create substantial economic losses for their targets. Anonymous has had less success notable their failure to take down Amazon, and the Credit Card processing companies. Still the threat is credible and Facebook being a one trick pony (they have no business out side their website) could be really hurt by an attack.

    Me thinks Anon better come up with something a little more clever than a DDOS though or they are going to be the ones getting schooled.

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    1. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Me thinks Anon better come up with something a little more clever than a DDOS though or they are going to be the ones getting schooled.

      My thought was that they better hope nobody who claims to represent Anonymous tries to extort money out of Facebook between now and November 5, or anybody who does try to launch a DDOS attack on that date could be going to jail.

      --
      Breakfast served all day!
    2. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Very good point, I can see FBI or some other three letter agency coming down like a ton bricks if even the whisper of extortion comes into this. I would call "going to jail" a form of "getting schooled" however.

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    3. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      There was a resource starvation issue found in apache a while back. Basically, if you give a long post size in the headers of a form post, and then start sending 1 byte every per seconds, the process would remain open. You could then launch 100,000 more such processes and crash the server.

      At the time I wrote a quick PHP script as a proof of concept and was able to bring my dev server to its knees in less than 10 minutes, including coding time.

      You don't have to be particularly good, just good enough.

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
    4. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But surely if a few million people visit the site around the same time and then do multiple searches of common first names all around the same time something might slow down or break. This isn't any different than a picket line really. You're going to slow them down by exploiting the fact that they have not designed their site to handle all of their active users coming in at once. How would the malicious intent be distributed? If you went to facebook that day and searched for a common first name, are you now part of the criminal "class" that caused the revenue loss? Or would only someone organizing it be at fault? These are totally new legal questions. Personally, I think it falls under the lines of a picket line more than any type of attack, regardless of how the media might portray it. And the legalities of picket lines are fairly clear. The government and businesses run a thin line when dealing with the must more massive and stronger public. I think anonymous reminds the public of their power if they band together to protest something. Businesses can protect themselves by not offending the public, or they can attempt to get draconian laws enacted. But history shows that those laws generally do not stand for long, as law and order will not stand in the face of an irritated public (to paraphrase John Adams). I see "anonymous" as the actions of an irritated public. Sure, there's some punk kids doing stuff as well, for the lol's or whatever, but you know, who isn't irritated a little bit with the government and big business right now?

    5. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by slashqwerty · · Score: 1

      I don't think 'Anonymous'--whoever is behind them--have the interests of freedom and privacy in mind.

      The recent actions of 'Anonymous' have all been prime examples of the sort of thing lobbyists have been feeding congress to push data retention laws, an Internet off-switch, etc.

      Taking down one of the most popular web sites on the Internet is sure to fuel those arguments. If people lose access to something they spend four hours a day at, they will be calling congress demanding for a solution much like they did after the WTC attacks. They will not care what the solution is, and congress will not care if the 'solution' works or is in any way ethical.

    6. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Especially someone working for the FBI claiming to be Anon.

    7. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lulzsec is Anonymous. Antisec is Anonymous. All are just offshoots of the same bullshit. Lulzsec, for what it's worth, hardly had capable people. They had sql injections. They were afraid of getting schooled by the #2600 residents. Sabu is about as paranoid as they come and Topiary is probably going to sing like a bird when questioned for long enough.

      I'd say Zuckerberg has more capable people working for him that could probably own Anonymous in a heartbeat.

    8. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They haven't proven they're highly capable, they've proven their targets are highly incapable. It's different.

    9. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by assertation · · Score: 1

      I think Mark Zuckerberg is more worried about Google+ and rightly so.

    10. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no Lulzsec anymore, they've joined forces with Anonymous in what is usually referred to as Antisec.

    11. Re:Question how concerned is Mark? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Most of the targets which have been successfully hit have been organisations where "... on the Internet" is either not particularly crucial to their business or security is not something they'd have had to consider from a corporate culture perspective.

      Take the Sony attacks - now while most people on /. would, if setting up some sort of Internet-based gaming platform that consoles can hook into would go to all sorts of lengths to make sure that everything is as nailed down as is humanly possible, Sony haven't historically had to worry about that as a company. And it doesn't look like they did.

      But you look at, say, Amazon, who would have had to worry Internet security since day 1, and it's a different matter altogether. Similarly payment processing companies - nobody's saying they're infallible, they're probably not, but there's a much better chance that they've put some real effort into security compared to the Sonys of this world.

      I don't think Facebook have anything to worry about.

  35. value by dingfelder · · Score: 1

    Anonymous has vowed to destroy Facebook on November 5th, and even if they succeed, nothing of value will be lost.

    -- there. fixed it for you.

    1. Re:value by Icegryphon · · Score: 1

      If I had Mod points. +1 for funny meme
      As for some info and lulz.
      Message from Anonymous: Operation Facebook, Nov 5 2011
      YourOpenBook.org

  36. Shyeaaa.. when pigs fly... by sphantom · · Score: 2

    Though I'm against vigilante justice, I certainly agree with their motives.

    HOWEVER.... Am I the only one who thinks Anon won't have much success? The worst they could probably do hack some user accounts. If they think DDOS'ing a site with the infrastructure to handle hundreds of millions of users is going to work with a bot net made up of a few hundred thousand machines, then they're probably in for a surprise. Heck didn't they already try and fail with Amazon?

    Or was that Lulzsec? I get those two confused all the time.

    1. Re:Shyeaaa.. when pigs fly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That assumes that they're using the same technique that they used on Amazon. If they hack into and gain control of the Facebook servers that's another story.

    2. Re:Shyeaaa.. when pigs fly... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      They also tried and failed with Scientology.

    3. Re:Shyeaaa.. when pigs fly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if they had the talent to hack their way into more than a wet paper bag, maybe this would mean something.

      (Facebook is more like a wet cardboard box, which is still more than enough to stop them cold)

    4. Re:Shyeaaa.. when pigs fly... by Wovel · · Score: 1

      And Amazon

    5. Re:Shyeaaa.. when pigs fly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Subeta

  37. How hard can it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they say that deleting a Facebook account is difficult, how do they expect to delete 500,000,000 accounts?

    1. Re:How hard can it be? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      rm -rf?

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  38. I like Google+ better by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

    They can destroy Facebook any time now.

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    * Carthago Delenda Est *
  39. Only one thing will "destroy" Facebook. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apathy. Disinterest. Things you cannot create, or force. That is what angers Anonymous. They are no different from despots, except they have no power.

  40. Like! by siegeman · · Score: 1

    Where is the 'Like' button when you need it...

    1. Re:Like! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Like ohmigod totally ya know?

  41. Fallback is on us /.'er independents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wants to bet that this will only make it harder for USA based hosts to provide anonymous posting? It's bad enough that everywhere you go the sites have had that growth cycle requiring a pseu-donymous logins. After all, it's the only way to cope with the internet evolution: trolls, spammers, webmaster power-trip, advertiser greed and facebook/google-style data-mining. I'd say that anonymity was already DEAD-enough, judging from the inability to leave "guest" comments in any sites that you haven't signed up for (so that at least an e-mail address has to be legit).

    Now, we already heard of the FBI chasing anons in new york recently. For their next trick, they will watch that date closely and see who they catch. In a few months of this and the Wikileaks baggage of 2010/11, we'll start seeing legislation to tackle the problem in a slightly more forceful way, here in the USA. Since the USA is usually the lead in most "bad" practices, it will eventually trickle down to your local nation, just like "encrypted" Blackberry snooping did on various nations.

    The end result shall be that all anon posters get flagged just as bad as with file sharing. I'm starting to feel aversion to even lurking in anon sites.

  42. Vows to destroy facebook... by oopspowsurprise · · Score: 1

    Using private citizens compromised computers to do so... What a bunch of sanctimonious clowns. Hacking systems displaying peoples private information on the Internet without their OK yet complain about the privacy practices of facebook... At least data posted on facebook people MADE THE CHOICE to do so. Those victimized by Anonymous and Lulzsec didn't have the choice.

  43. Re:that's been the model of free services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to destroy Facebook: Wait by the river long enough, and the body of your enemy will come floating by.

  44. More accurately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this may be a little bit more accurate...

    "It gives users the illusion of and hides the details away from them "for their own good" while they then make millions off of [the collective users as a whole]. When a service is [offered] "free," [which costs money to provide] it really means they're making money off of [its voluntary users] and [the] information [they provide, voluntarily, in exchange for this free service.]'"

  45. Disorder, chaos, anarchy: now that's fun! by thryllkill · · Score: 1

    Destroy it? I doubt that. But if they bring it to its knees for just a few hours. Well, hell, that'll bring a smile to my face.

    And then I'll change my password. Again.

    --

    Note to self: No more arguing with the faithful.

  46. Eh. by L1B3R4710N · · Score: 0

    I can live without Facebook for a little while. Might help.

    --
    "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." - Dennis Ritchie/Ken Thompson, 1972
  47. Angry mens group by ripdajacker · · Score: 1

    While their rant on Facebook certainly has some valid points to it, and it is indeed hard to delete such an account. One should look at Facebooks business model before the ddosing starts: They sell ads. You have agreed to the craziness that is the missing privacy, the undeleteable accounts and the lack of choice.

    IANAL but I think the agreement isn't breaking any laws, and since every user agrees about it they really should stop the bitching.

    Is it me or do Anonymous sound more and more like a support group for men that are pissed off? Here are my two tips for Anomymous:
    1) Don't be cunts.
    2) Get laid.

    1. Re:Angry mens group by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I haven't agreed to they're terms and they spy on me anyways. Sure I get less spied upon because I don't have an account, but it's still none of their damned business what I do online.

      I'd rather have to see a few tampon ads if it means that I can have at lest some privacy online.

    2. Re:Angry mens group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think South Park covered this in the episode TMI.

  48. Whose fault is that? by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

    1. Re:Whose fault is that? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Yes,

      That's the beginning of the greatest squandered opportunity and betrayal of trust in modern history.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    2. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least riots don't last more than an evening here. Why? because we're not dumb enough to give up our right to defend ourselves (e.g. guns).

    3. Re:Whose fault is that? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You mean, they promised the fireworks display would be better than it actually was?

    4. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that when those aliens attack and destroy the White House?

    5. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes we do

    6. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your GDP is large enough to crush others by accident and love to screw something up in any field horribly, people tend to know more about them.

      Honestly speaking, aside from the V movie, I had not heard of the 5th of November previously in class. History teachers may typically be the most progressive of school staff that I encountered, but there is a whole world and thousands of years in each location to talk about. If there is any real lacking in information, it would be from the time period between the fall of the Roman Empire and the European Middle Ages along with other topics, like the Ottoman empire or pretty much most of Asia. I was taught more about Europeans colonizing the world, American History and Roman Empire than anything else.

      History classes flow through High School typically goes:
      Early European (Rome) -> Fall of Rome -> Middle Ages (Mostly living conditions and famous rulers) -> Europe colonization (more time here than one would think) -> American Colonies -> American Revolution -> American History -> Contemporary American History.

      If that doesn't seem like enough, remember the different years have a great deal of material that overlap. I think they want to start with a more broad view of information and narrow it does over the years, but that isn't very well done.

    7. Re:Whose fault is that? by dmdavis · · Score: 2

      I know, right? We're pretty awesome. Everyone knows about us!

    8. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that's when Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum blew up some big alien mothership wasn't it?

    9. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do?

    10. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is that?

    11. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because of that Will Smith movie, right?

    12. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

      The Tom Cruise movie?

    13. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it Tom Cruses' birthday?

    14. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

      Well, atleast a few hundred million do. For most of us it's not such an important date.

    15. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we don't know why the Americans refer to it as the '4th of July' rather than 'July 4th', this latter being the format they use for all other dates.

      Maybe that's why they celebrate that date .. because it's the only one that is stated correctly?

    16. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's mine. And also approximately 1/365ths of the world.

    17. Re:Whose fault is that? by Rigrig · · Score: 1

      That's the day you guys defeated the aliens, right?

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    18. Re:Whose fault is that? by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was when Will Smith destroyed the alien mother ship in Independence Day, wasn't it?

      (I don't live in the US. ;)

    19. Re:Whose fault is that? by philipmather · · Score: 0

      Will Smith had his day off interrupted?
      God bless Will, God bless America!

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    20. Re:Whose fault is that? by ladadadada · · Score: 2

      See ? He's right. You have no idea why it's significant.

      That was the day Jeff Goldblum proved that aliens use Macs.

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    21. Re:Whose fault is that? by lenawash · · Score: 1

      And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

      yes, because that's 10 days before the french national holiday commemorating the "prise de la bastille"!!

    22. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's an easy one: because we get to see Tom Cruise in a wheel chair, duh!

    23. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course we know that a supernova was seen by Chinese, Arab, and possibly Amerindian observers near the star Zeta Tauri.
      or did you mean that on that day slavery wass abolished in New York State.
      or perhaps that NASA's Pathfinder space probe landed on the surface of Mars.

    24. Re:Whose fault is that? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's when we in Britain celebrate Thanksgiving.

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    25. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how is this insightful?

      it's not even accurate.

    26. Re:Whose fault is that? by SmilingBoy · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't really. I googled it and it is USA independence day. I vaguely remember having heard that date before, but it was certainly not in my active part of my memory. (Being from continental Europe, I was not really affected by US independence and have no reason to remember this exact date. More important is probably to know the time when it roughly happened; IIRC it was at the end of the 18th century.)

    27. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the rest of the world knows about 5th of november AND 4th of july -- We were though all of this in school, cultural understanding is based in knowledge.

      So I guess the obvious answer would be american schools?

    28. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you base that on? I've lived abroad for years and most people have no idea why the 4th of July is significant.

    29. Re:Whose fault is that? by Walking+The+Walk · · Score: 1

      And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

      Because it's 3 days after Canada Day?

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      Can impart wisdom and truth
      Call proc signature()
    30. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GTFO or do something about it. AKA - stop whining.

    31. Re:Whose fault is that? by TheHonch · · Score: 1

      I know all Americans BBQ and can use fireworks on that day, but I have no idea why it's significant... I blame the swedish educational system!

    32. Re:Whose fault is that? by CraftyJack · · Score: 1

      You need more significance than BBQ and fireworks? Well, traditionally, there is also beer involved.

    33. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Significant because most people don't realize the declaration of independence was actually signed August 2, 1776, not July 4.

    34. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

      UK needs better marketing people?

    35. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, before the movie independence day, I only knew THAT the 4th of july was significant
      (otherwise, why would there be a movie called "born on the fourth of july") now WHY.

      It's easy to pretend that Americans are unaware of the history outside and even inside their
      borders. For example, a recent study in the netherlands showed that the majority of people
      under 20 did not recognize pictures of Stalin or Pol Pot.

      I myself only know about Guy Fawkes day because I happen to have british friends.

    36. Re:Whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

      Yeah, that's the day the American president freed the world from those alien bastards.

  49. Impossible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's just impossible. They MAY be able to take it offline for a while. Destroy it??? Not a chance. Unless, of course, Facebook is dumb enough not to make backups of everything they have and store them in a secure location. And that's probably not very likely. These are some pretty amateur hackers to even CLAIM they could do such a thing.

  50. a show of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fags,

    it's not about what social or economic impact it will have, or which of you natural given rights will be compromised. It's a show of power! Git ir done!

    1. Re:a show of power by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      A show of power? Haven't read many tweets from lulzsec since that guy was arrested in the Shetlands.... That's the problem with "power". If power is bragging rights then the more you brag, the easier it is to find you and take you out. The old saying is still true. If you're going to do a crime do it once, do it to someone who doesn't know you far away from where you live, and keep your mouth shut. You break those rules you're going down.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  51. With Better Service? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Are they planning to make a better, open service where people can remain anonymous and only give the information they choose to give? Compete with Facebook and deliver this new, better product on November 5th? Or are they going to DDoS and just annoy some soccer moms who can't harvest their Farmville corn for a couple hours?

  52. ..and nothing of value will be lost.. by sstamps · · Score: 2

    Seriously, Farcebook??

    I'm all for seeing FB disintegrated via beam shooting from my index finger, but why bother? It's already heading into the sunset.

    Maybe they think they will just give it one good swift kick in the ass before the door does its job on FB's way out. Probably that.

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    -SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
    1. Re:..and nothing of value will be lost.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is skeptical that this is a hoax?

  53. Re:that's been the model of free services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are waiting for a white knight to build your idea of a perfect social networking and give it to you, you'll be waiting a while. If it takes more bucks than Apple has, your kids' kids will be dead before it arrives.

  54. Didn't work on Scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anon said they were going to destroy Scientology. They are still around. Facebook will be too.

    In short, nothing will come of this but a bunch of talk.

    1. Re:Didn't work on Scientology by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Anon said they were going to destroy Scientology. They are still around. Facebook will be too.

      In short, nothing will come of this but a bunch of talk.

      The sad part is in XX years (months?), Facebook will no longer be the "in" thing, and will likely go away, or be replaced by the next fashionable "in" thing to belong to...whereas Scientology, solidly (and factually proven) being founded in nothing more than pure science fiction, will continue to "convert" the ignorant who still hold blind faith in organized religion, and will likely never go out of "style".

  55. April 1st? by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

    LMAAO at the headline.

    This is just some new video game for Xstation DCLXVI, right? The new Genesis?

    This place is fucked. Best wishes.

    -ab

  56. Who's next? by ashvagan · · Score: 1

    "When a service is "free," it really means they're making money off of you and your information." So Google should be next in line! Let us know beforehand so we can stop using that part of Google, unless they want to take ALL of Google out ...

    1. Re:Who's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting that most of these people, and many of the people cheering this on, are Google fanbois and will go to all lengths of mental gymnastics to try to spin how when Google is doing the same thing it's perfectly okay.

  57. Please don't by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

    Please don't do this Anonymous. If you take Facebook down for even just one day, once people find out who's responsible, any remaining respect or sympathy the average non-geek person has with Anonymous will disappear down the drain.

    Not to mention the fact that you have no right to lecture me about choice and then take it away from me. I don't use Facebook that much anymore, but I still have an account for the occasional linkups. I'm trading the limited info I provide on it for the benefits it provides me, and I'm conscious of that trade, hence I keep things civil and use appropriate privacy settings. Now fuck of Anon and stop playing games.

  58. mark who? by decora · · Score: 1

    never heard of him

  59. they will start doxing hi profile geeks by decora · · Score: 2

    eventually. its like the lust for power you allude to. then the geeks will turn against anonymous,, and uhm....

    the anonymous people will probably go work for governments etc

  60. Re:funny, and I here thought 4chan was a free webs by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    The gold account is for newfags. Diamond is where it's at.

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  61. Talk about biting the hands that feed... by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

    Doesn't Anonymous owe much of their recruiting and information distribution to Facebook? Are they pissed they didn't have to pay for that?

    I'm no Facebook fanboi, but as a musician, sound engineer, producer, and last but not least AdBlockPlus user, Facebook doesn't owe me a penny. As long as people don't take the time to figure out how to secure their online profiles (of all types), punishing those who legally exploit them won't fix anything. People won't stop stealing cars as long as they're left unlocked with the keys in the ignition either.

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    War as we knew it was obsolete
    Nothing could beat complete denial
    - Emily Haines
  62. Why not November 13th? by krygny · · Score: 1

    National Felix Unger day.

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    Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
  63. like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like

  64. What will they go after next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they don't go after porn, it would be fun to watch them hassle Fox News. Their youtube announcement had a touch of Videodrome in it.

  65. Paranoia vs. Naivity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > They certainly don't have my most intimate thoughts, ...

    I would be cautious about making such claims. I think you would be surprised at how much of your intimate thoughts "leaks out" via your everyday actions, and how your thoughts can be reconstructed given a complete enough description of your everyday behaviour. A simple example is the study in which researchers, with a fair degree of accuracy, predicted peoples movements based on the past movement of their mobile phone.

    I think you would be surprised how much small things, like word choice in your social networking updates, indicate about your "intimate" thoughts.

    Even worse is when third parties fill in the missing parts with conjecture and supposition, and people assign intimate thoughts to you whether you have them or not. For example, you are happily married, but your buying habits, social network updates, and movements add up to provide circumstantial evidence that you are having an affair. As far as the Internet is concerned you are an adulterer, and the reputation grows behind your back from there, until one day it gets confused with reality.

  66. Re:I like Facebook better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can destroy Google+ any time now.

  67. Backup Facebook on Nov 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I were Facebook, I'd have a complete backup of the site made on Nov 4. Prepare for the worst, and be ready to return from it.

  68. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the 'medium of communication [we] all so dearly adore"

    Speak for yourself, you insensitive clod!

  69. Pass the buck.This way i mean. by hebertrich · · Score: 1

    The so called free services are not so free.All of them are just as sick as the other.
    They make money off of our data , the little it cost them to host any data versus the money they make is fantastic.
    It will be interresting how soon they will have to fork out real dough to the users to use their data.
    But for that .. it will take quite a change in user behavior.Because that's what happens.They are using your data.
    They also are opening it to law enforcement and of course to the intelligence services.
    Unless you don't care about privacy , do what i did . unplug.
    Facebook is so like so yesterday , sorry .. last month .. anyways Good night

  70. OMG by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    I am sure Mark is pissing his pants ...

  71. They will actually help Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their servers will be praised once they survive a DDOS attack from a total of 1,000 people.

  72. Facebook doesn't need the help by junk · · Score: 1

    Wait a week and their mantra of "move fast and break things" will take them down again anyway. The piss poor engineering practices in that company are a liability to themselves and anyone who monetizes off of them. The reason Facebook has such a large infrastructure? They ignore resource utilization in their infrastructure and compensate with vast amounts of hardware. If they wait for Facebook to take down their app servers and then focus on the border network, they could likely keep them down for a while. Facebook pukes out multiple releases a day and many of them are bad. Anon will have ample opportunity.

    I'll sit back, with some popcorn, and root for the %s guys... I can't figure out who are the bad guys and who are the good guys in this case. Regardless, I'm rooting for Anon on this one.

  73. I'm getting bored now. by Severus+Snape · · Score: 1

    The anarchist inside me just wet himself a little bit at the idea of them launching a sophisticated attack bringing Facebook down..Back in reality but they will launch some crappy DDOS attack which will now fail that they have given some warning which some people will then get arrested for. Is it just me these little hypocritical script kiddies are starting to piss off?

    1. Re:I'm getting bored now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an anarchist pissed inside you? sexy. very max hardcore.

  74. Attack of the Racoons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous are the hacking equivalent of racoons. They rifle around looking for unlocked doors and windows they can easily get into, steal a few scraps, crap all over the place, and then publicize it. Okay, they're like racoons with publicity.

  75. November 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The night Marty took the DeLorean out for a test drive...

  76. Lost their minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook will be connecting about 1 billion people worldwide by the end of this year. This is an unprecedented level "connectedness" for the world. It is allowing ideas to be shared unlike any other medium. Revolutions have happened because of it. Granted, the corporation behind all this happens to be a active participant of capitalism, consumed by greed and the necessity of growth. Worst of all, it is a CORPORATION. But to say one corporation is worse than an other is just silly. And to say that they try to make money off the information you provide them... is just silly and obvious.

    O, the troubled, misguided youth. They don't know what they want, they don't know who to fight. Maybe these kids should check their Facebook and Twitter feeds more often to see what people really care about, and what's really worth fighting.

  77. really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when you go after something like facebook, all your rants of "we are doing this for good." goes out the window.

    Immaturity at its finest. We don't like it so you shouldn't either.

  78. Oddly by Anarimus · · Score: 1

    Anonymous thinks the majority of people really give a shit about their own privacy. People want to be advertised the point isn't to protect one's own privacy the focus now is to broadcast one's self to the world. We have reality shows that take us into the private lives of ordinary if not often ridiculous people. Why should reality reality be any different. People want to be advertised. They want to post every sordid detail of what they do, where they go and who they do for the world to see. The self is the celebrity.

  79. Re:that's been the model of free services by Aeiri · · Score: 1

    That would be absolutely brilliant if Anonymous' plan is to release their own anonymous social network that date. I'm serious. It would show they actually had intelligence.

  80. Dumb by Hatechall · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Go to /b/ and post rambling about destroying the media darling Facebook
    Step 2: Write an article about your anonymous posting.
    Step 3: Profit.

  81. Happy Days by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

    And with this.... Anonymous jumps the shark.

    Ah, Mister Anonymous Fonzarelli...

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    -- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
  82. A good excuse... by odirex · · Score: 1

    for everyone I know to actually start using Google+. Most people just signed up and let the account sit there doing nothing. Everyone's waiting for everyone else to move off of facebook.

  83. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've already doomed facebook. I signed up a few days ago. If it's anything like myspace, and I'm hoping it is, then I am the harbinger of doom. Soon, facebook will be no more, and google+ will rule all. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  84. If they can disrupt service for a few days... by SpeZek · · Score: 1

    If they can disrupt service for a few days, I know more than a few narcissists that will jump over to G+ to spout their drivel and never turn back.

    1. Re:If they can disrupt service for a few days... by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Anonymous can't even take my $14 a month (hosting costs) website offline, and they have tried along with some SQL injection attempts. Also an epic fail.

      Anonymous are no threat to anyone. Except corporations with a half assed approach to security.

      --
      An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
  85. IMA CHARGIN MA LAZERZ by DMFNR · · Score: 1

    Maybe Google wants to take a shot at their competition and have installed LOIC on their server farms.

  86. Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Anonymous needs to realize their attention grab is not wanted by the majority of intelligent people on the net. Yippee s$*^ you can run a script. Maybe some of you can actually hack. Who the hell died and left you the police of the world? Who designated you the deciders of what's right and what's wrong? If you want to put out an idiotic press release, at least be honest. Say something like "We are doing this to keep our names in the news and because it gives us a feeling of power to run a script that a real programmer wrote.", but don't put out some BS story that you are "protesting against the man". Grow up little boys and girls. I think I hear your mommies calling.

  87. Anonymous VS Facebook by Maintenance+Goof · · Score: 2

    It is pretty clear what this is really about. Facebook is the natural enemy of Anonymity. You can not use Facebook and remain anonymous. You can not even have a friend use Facebook and remain anonymous. Anonymous finally realized who their natural enemy was and that they would be assimilated eventually if things remained as they are. Facebook is the Borg of computer identity. Personally I fear Anonymous Coward, while the Anonymous Coward group never does anything, they can be amazingly snippy.

    1. Re:Anonymous VS Facebook by hort_wort · · Score: 1

      It is pretty clear what this is really about. Facebook is the natural enemy of Anonymity.

      You're right, it definitely isn't about what they're claiming. From their message:

      Your medium of communication you all so dearly adore will be destroyed. If you are a willing hacktivist or a guy who just wants to protect the freedom of information then join the cause and kill facebook for the sake of your own privacy.

      How is destroying Facebook protecting freedom of information? Didn't Facebook help organize events bringing about a couple peaceful revolutions recently? Isn't that what freedom of information is all about, letting the voice of the people change the world? I'd think these guys would have issued a statement that they were pleased if anything.

      Are these guys really the same hacker group? Something is definitely wrong here....

    2. Re:Anonymous VS Facebook by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Facebook is a threat to the freedom of information. They strip certain censored items from Facebook chat (and "wall posts" IIRC), such as TPB links.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  88. Same guys who brought down Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are the same guys who brought down Sony over its business practices, but the end result was Sony being inconvienienced into upgrading their servers and millions of gamers not being able to congregate online to play together - in otherwords, the consumer was penalised with an even stricter EULA that could result in criminal proceeding if broken.

    Thank you Anonymous.

    These gus are now going after a social network because they are concerned about the privacy of its users. Bullshit. Anonymous took username, passwords, and $DEITY knows what else as part of their campaign against Sony, can we really trust their motives are pure and benign?

    What would be the end result of this new campaign? FB is brough down, users who use the service to maintain contact with friends and family world wide will be forced to use less centralised methods requiring more personal details to be shared across different and unconnected sites with differing views on privacy and content ownership.

  89. Re:that's been the model of free services by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

    How could one be anonymously social? Seems like anyone who craves that can just use IRC over Tor.

  90. This is what happens when you don't have marketing by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

    Too much engineering testosterone and not enough PR estrogen. Very bad.

  91. Difficulty involved in deleting a Facebook acct? by Xacid · · Score: 1

    Seriously - as annoyed with facebook as we all are the fallacy that it's "difficult" to delete facebook needs to stop.

    http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account

  92. Re:that's been the model of free services by cgenman · · Score: 1

    We need one more player with BUCKS to Show them how it's done and shut these guys up.

    Bucks usually means investors, and investors means doing the safe thing. We need one hundred more players with very little money, and one hundred odd new ideas about how we can interact.

  93. well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they succeed!

  94. Choice indeed by SuperMog2002 · · Score: 1

    It is not a battle over the future of privacy and publicity. It is a battle for choice and informed consent.

    So you're going to try to take away my choice to use Facebook?

    --
    Sunwalker Dezco for Warchief in 2016
    1. Re:Choice indeed by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, consider that Facebook isn't big on choice or informed consent...once you make the choice to use Facebook, you're Facebook's bitch.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  95. Hey, Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, innocent people are being slaughtered in Syria, the US government is paralyzed by gross incompetence, and the MPAA/RIAA continue to abuse the legal systems in order to line their pockets.

    But, hey, great. Mildly inconvenience a company that provides a valuable service to people all over the world. I'm sure that'll make them feel sorry.

    Wouldn't it be great if Anonymous actually did something that mattered? As far as I can tell they have not had any lasting impact on anything.

    1. Re:Hey, Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be great if Anonymous actually did something that mattered?

      What, you mean like that time they hacked into Al-Qaeda servers and stopped a group of suicide bombers from blowing up a bus in London? That only got world-wide news coverage, after all.

  96. I had to let others know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I shared this story on Facebook!

  97. Re:funny, and I here thought 4chan was a free webs by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

    The gold account is for newfags. Diamond is where it's at.

    Diamonds fags can't triforce

    ^ ^ triforce ^ ^

    Unicode challenged /. is challenged

  98. If it REALLY happens then... by Janvitos · · Score: 1

    Anonymous = Google

  99. It's not [we] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think the summary needs [we] added. Anonymous don't adore Facebook. "The medium of communication all so clearly adore" is grammatically correct and refers to everyone else loving Facebook and not Anonymous.

  100. A ploy by Facebook for attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook's really behind this as a ploy for attention. They want everyone to log in on 11/5 or 11/6 to see if it's still there. With so many users who created accounts but have stopped using them, this will allow Facebook to record a lot of usage, before they file for an IPO.

    Solution? Just ignore Facebook and it's pathetic plea for attention. I've been off of FB for a year now. The one exception during that time was to respond to someone who'd lost my email. Before that, FB sent me emails asking me to come back. After I logged in, I got "welcome back" emails from FB. Whatever kiddos. I have better things to do than play Farmville, look at a bunch of crappy photos by friends, and see who's reading or watching what. (Hell, I use Slashdot more than FB, and I need to cut that out, too.)

  101. What? by formfeed · · Score: 1

    Movie? Comic book? What are you talking about? How does that have anything to do with Anonymous celebrating the of birthday of Art Garfunkel ?

  102. oh nov 5 by Chuby007 · · Score: 1

    Thanks guys at least I'll have till nov 5 to backup all my stuff... Oh wait.. it's Facebook !

  103. Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember remember the 5th of November, the gun powder treason and plot. I see no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

  104. Remember remember the fifth of November by phoebe · · Score: 1

    So Facebook are actually the good guys and on the 5th Anonymous are going to be all rounded up and hung, drawn and quartered?

    Remember remember the fifth of November
    Gunpowder, treason and plot.
    I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
    Should ever be forgot...

  105. I think they lost some credibility... by davevr · · Score: 1

    ...by posting this on the official Anonymous FaceBook page.

    1. Re:I think they lost some credibility... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Anonymous was hacked by Anonymous, and then the message was posted.

      But I would never notice if Facebook was down or not, it's similar to Siberia to me - I know that it exists and I can visit it but it's nothing special.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
  106. Tired Of The Tantrums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like a bunch of 3 year olds that dont get their way. Will be so glad when the Governmental agencies of the world get as fed up as I am and round these idiots up. They think they are "untraceable" which is a condition that no longer exists on line. Proxies don't have nearly the effect of hiding identity as they once did.

    Bunch of useless script kiddies that wouldn't last a week in the real world.

  107. Responsibility of privacy by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

    Don't forget Facebook only know what information you put in your profile or on your wall. If Anonymous wants something to be mad about, they should get mad about people lacking a concept of confidentiality.

    --
    Chewbacon
    The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
    1. Re:Responsibility of privacy by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      They understand the concept of confidentiality, what they completely lack is an understanding of the mosaic effect.

      It's this bad: They could use the same username on a sex toy shopping site and a forum where they have links to their Facebook page. They'd write a review for the Tentacle Monster Dildo with Jizzing Action on the sex toy site, friend their boss on their Facebook page, and post pics of themselves doing bong rips on the forum. And see no problem with any of this whatsoever, because they don't see the big picture at all, just the individual pieces. Nothing short of posting their full contact details with an itemized list of things they're ashamed of on one publicly visible page would set off the Average Joe's alarm bells.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  108. Maybe it'll be a judicial DDOS by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    Imagine if 10,000 sets of identical twins file lawsuits for $100 million in separate courts, claiming that Zuckerberg stole their idea. That would be well in excess of even Facebook's valuation.

    --

    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  109. What now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This so isn't happening. Just think about it. Sure they might find an exploit that maybe knocks off a weak server somewhere in their load balancing system, but if you actually look at the URL's facebook uses when generating a page, you'd notice they have something rivaling Amazon or Google when it comes to "cloudiness"

    Unless Anonymous really is several million users, they aren't even going to register a blip on facebook's radar. They'd have better luck through the front door.

  110. Fuck Off Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is my choice to give Facebook informed consent to use my data and not up to them to make that decision for me

  111. Re:that's been the model of free services by arth1 · · Score: 1

    How could one be anonymously social?

    Shouldn't you ask that at /soc/?

  112. Digital Taliban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for caring so much Anonymous. But I don't think we need a "Digital Taliban" telling us where we can and can't surf.

  113. Making the world hate Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...thus stripping the "freedom fighter" veneer off of Anonymous, and making the average person (and facebooker) hate them.

  114. Hmmm... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    Lets say anonymous creates a google+ account for everyone who has a facebook page, imports all their pictures, friends, etc and PMs them the password.

    Or heck, if they just sent every facebook user a google+ invite...

    --
    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    1. Re:Hmmm... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Wow, a move from one centralized data-mining social network that requires a real name to another! What an improvement!

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  115. You are not thinking AWESOME enough by subreality · · Score: 1

    Outcome n+1: A small but dedicated Anonymous raiding squad wearing Guy Fawkes masks is tunneling under Facebook's data center as we speak and planting dozens of barrels of ANFO. Come the 5th of November, Facebook is quite literally destroyed.
    Overall: l33t++. Probability: It will definitely happen in my dreams tonight.

  116. More likely scenario... by Muskstick · · Score: 1

    Facebook will patch it's application and gateway servers the day before to prevent any known exploits. "Anonymous" will sit around on November 5 waiting in vain for someone to find a new 'sploit and update whatever the hacker version of metasploit or backtrack is or attempt a DDOS against a site designed to handle millions of concurrent users and fail. Either way I don't see anything happening.

  117. Ah! 5th November! by calculon102 · · Score: 1

    The day Casimir III the Great, king of Poland died in 1370 a.d.. Now that rings a bell!

  118. Request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can they wipe out Google on their way?... please?

  119. not true by jojo_it · · Score: 1

    Anonymous denied that.

    1. Re:not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Facebook's monopoly and popularity that annoys me. It'd getting to be that one has to be on the damn thing. If Anon are not going to at least harrass Facebook for a bit, frankly I'm disappointed. Anything that might draw the apathetic unwashed's attention to the fact that a giant global database tracking all their connections and much of their communication and activity just might not be a great thing could achieve some good.

  120. Anonymous inspired by movie 20th Century Boys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wanted to comment the look, logo, and the spokesperson who speaks to the media for Anonymous seems to have been seen seriously inspired by the Japanese anime/movie "20th Century Boys" http://asianmediawiki.com/20th_Century_Boys_1:_Beginning_of_the_End

  121. Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally we know who Anonymous really is... Google.

  122. Not a hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it strange that Guy Fawkes idiot ends up being a hero or a symbol of freedom/anarchy/whatever.

    He's not a hero. Every year on bonfire night he's re-burnt at the stake as a celebration that he was caught.

    As for Catholics (of which I am technically one) I guess he's an anti-establishment martyr. Treating him as such just a reaction to the yearly burning - reclaiming and redefining an icon.

  123. Good luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish them all the luck in the world!

  124. good luck ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good luck !

  125. choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They continued, 'It is not a battle over the future of privacy and publicity. It is a battle for choice and informed consent. ... Facebook keeps saying that it gives users choices, but that is completely false."

    No. Like everything else, you have a choice - a choice of how much information supply, or whether you use it at all.

    OK, there is a bit of an [historical] issue with people uploading information before knowing the reality, and being able to remove it.

    But basically, this is just a bunch of dicks looking for some vague justification for acting like dicks because they don't genuinely believe in anything, they just like being dicks.

  126. Anonymous is a bunch of assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a fucking FREE service which means that it's supported by advertising.

    It's a social media site which means by definition it's out there for people to share information.

    If we didn't want to be there sharing, then we'd go somewhere else. That's it. It's freedom of choice. We choose to be there taking advantage of what facebook provides.

    Do we go to a different site that has more privacy that's already there? Fuck no. Facebook is where we want to be. Idiots.

    These are a bunch of immature idiots with who think they're more important than they are. So they'll inconvenience all the rest of us.

    They should all go to jail. Bunch of fucking assholes. They provide no value in the world.

    Look, if you don't like something, don't do it. Or go build something better. Why fuck with everyone. It's not your right.

  127. Deputy Fife by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it is a distraction from a different target they intend to hit on the same day,

    This left me with the impression of Barney Fife being deployed to the wrong part of Mayberry when the unsmiling Yankees in suits roll into town. Thank God for Opie.

  128. Implying all services should be paid? by tomxor · · Score: 1

    When a service is "free," it really means they're making money off of you and your information.

    That is the nature of most free services... it's also the nature of most successful and innovative services. If this was so wrong then useful things like advanced search engines would never have come about.

    Services that are free to use have the advantage of being highly accessible, and if they are useful or fun then it can also make them popular, that popularity generates revenue one way or another and allows that service to be developed innovated and flourish into something even more useful or fun for it's end users.

    People have started regarding their privacy with these free services too highly - or at least they have been persuaded that it matters for what it is currently being exploited for. All Facebook, Google or any other company use your freely submitted information for is generate better advertising, they really couldn't care less otherwise. This may come to a shock to some people but You aren't that interesting.

    I remember a while ago it was revealed how facebook created a "loophole" that allowed them to use private information for 3rd party advertising... by not allowing the 3rd party to ever see the private information. Well what the hell is wrong with that ! oooh nooo i'm looking at an advert in the margin of my spacebook account and it knows that i like to eat cheatos, SpOoKy..... -_- who gives a fuck seriously.

  129. All this because there's no delete button. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Seriously, all of this frustration and anger over the lack of a true delete button when it comes to a Facebook account. That's pretty much what this boils down to, and I'm not really sure what to think, because there's no guarantee that sites that DO have a delete capability are actually eradicating your data off their systems...or more to the point of once something is put online, is it every really truly gone? Somehow, with monsters like Google out there indexing the entire online universe, I seriously doubt it, and yet, Anonymous is all up in arms over it.

    Don't give me a delete button, or give me a delete button and then I find out later that my content was never really truly deleted. Ever wonder which one pisses you off more?

    Either way, the answer is simple. Much like every other online service, if you don't like their policies, don't use it. Plain and simple. Anonymous is being rather ridiculous about it, they should learn to choose their battles a bit more wisely.

  130. Remember, remember... by Denogh · · Score: 1

    Always Guy Fawkes with these guys, isn't it? The can stab at the beast, but they won't kill it. Maybe a couple of lulzy "Pool's closed" moments and then they'll get tired and go elsewhere.

  131. Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come this story wasn't submitted by an "Anonymous reader" ?

  132. I don't care. by pinkeen · · Score: 1

    I don't care if facebook is taken down. Yes I use it, but any part of my life doesn't depend on it. In case it would have been taken down, I would move to the Next Big Thing or just forget it. But I would really, really like to see a high-profile target taken down. Just for the sheer fun of it. Just to see it can be done by script kiddies. I imagine an event of this scale would really rise awareness about security on the web. Keep building sand castles...

    As far as the method is concerned I suspect that the only method to do it, would be to publish some incriminating evidence involving facebook, spinning up a media scandal, but probably not prosecution (how do you call it - 'fruit of the poisonous tree'?).

  133. Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet the rest of the world knows why the 4th of July is significant.

    Yeah.

    Our country = Win.

  134. The best kind of fight is between two enemies by tgeller · · Score: 1

    This brought a smile to my face. Two groups that are bad for society -- one a dictatorship, the other an ignorant mob -- expending their energy on each other.

    I feel like the neutral dwarf army at the end of The Last Battle, standing by while the armies of Lord Tirian and Shift the Ape beating the crap out of each other. (Not to get too nerdy with my allusions....)

    The only downside would be if the battle increased the visibility of either group. I just hope the media ignore them while they scratch and pull hair on their playground.

    --
    Tom Geller
  135. hello by shentino · · Score: 1

    Hey Geohot, how does it feel to be working for Facebook now?

  136. n/s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the internet is largely anonymous, I came to slashdot.org and you don know me you don know me... the only way this could change is with a unified login where if I wasn't logged into facebook then I would see less and less of slashdot. Finally in facebook's dear fantasies, I would be able to see very little of the web without having first logged into facebook. I guess more than the anarchists destroying facebook, which is preposterous, what they fear at facebook would be a government competitor. Personally I don't think facebook is good enough to do better than google or even microsoft at this job. Just my opinion but it's not only technical but also about trust, and I wouldn't trust that smarmy liar zuckerberg with $5 much less the keys to my vast underground digital lair.

    That's the kind of thing that might be more difficult to say someday in the future. You know, instead of flying cars.

  137. About time!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About time someone takes out that privacy breaching website!
    I just hope that they do enough damage to take it down for good not just temporarily!

  138. Remember by charleste · · Score: 1

    Remember, remember the fifth of November
    facebook, DDOS and plot
    I see no reason why Anonymous treason
    Should ever be forgot


    Doesn't have the same ring.

  139. Their plan is as follows by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 1

    Destroy Facebook. ...... Profit!

  140. Farmville is closed. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Due to AIDS.

    (actually breaking Zynga games will be both spectacular and somewhat effective)

    --
    Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
    1. Re:Farmville is closed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats your problem with companies making money?

    2. Re:Farmville is closed. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      There is AIDS in the corn.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  141. just like amazon, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they aren't planning a DDoS...

  142. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  143. Did You Miss V for Vendetta ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Remember remember the fifth of November
    Gunpowder, treason and plot.
    I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
    Should ever be forgot...

  144. You've completely missed their point. by CountBrass · · Score: 1

    They have two points, both of which you seem to have missed.

    Firstly that it is impossible to effectively delete your Facebook account.

    And second that people are not properly informed about the consequences of creating an account- i.e. that Facebook will make money by selling their personal information. This makes it impossible for them to make a proper decision about whether or not to use it.

    --
    Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
  145. Anon - I implore you.... by gosand · · Score: 1

    I absolutely abhor FB, I have a fake account I check once a month or so, just because I have a couple of friends in other parts of the country/world. But they all just post drivel, so I'm not missing much. At first I thought it would be great if FB was actually destroyed.

    But do you know how many moms, dads, and people my age (in my 40s) rely on FB for spewing their constant, horrendous banality? If FB is destroyed, they might start talking to me about this crap again.

    Anonymous, please - PLEASE - let FB continue, it's just a Darwinian tar pit.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  146. GITS: SAC by Krojack · · Score: 1

    Their entire letter reads as though it was taken right out of an episode of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. I couldn't help but laugh. I'm shocked they aren't using The Laughing Man logo as well.

  147. i can't pick a side, but i'm curious. by shadowrat · · Score: 1

    I don't care that facebook sells my "private" information.

    I don't care if facebook gets destroyed.

    I am curious to see what it means to destroy facebook though. are they going to delete every possible restore point and all of the source code? are they going to make it so i never said my coworker's puppy was cute? are they going to destroy my relationships with all my friends? make it so my niece was never born and there are no baby pictures of her? is it going to be impossible to ever host anything under the domain facebook.com again?

    or is it just going to be slow for a day?

  148. dumbasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why I have no respect for these groups.

    Hmm, what target should we focus our might on to make the world a better place? Big Oil? The Republican Party? No, I know, FACEBOOK!!! THOSE EVIL ASSHOLES ARE SERVING TARGETED ADS!

  149. On nov 5 Facebook becomes self-aware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing here, move along.

  150. So Anonymous is really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Google+?

  151. Re:that's been the model of free services by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    You can still be anonymously social. See ArcadeForums, CNCZone, SparkFun, etc. Not everyone is using his real name, yet they share common interests and projects.

  152. Millions off me? by akayani · · Score: 1

    "while they then make millions off of you"

    Good luck with that one. I've been trying to make millions off me for years.

  153. Question! by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

    Who's anonymous?

    Seriously, how about saying "a mostly disorganized group of random strangers on the net"? It doesn't roll off the tongue, but at least it doesn't give you the impression we're talking about some secret underground group that's out for anarchy.

    --
    I am not devoid of humor.
  154. The idea here is to keep warm and comfortable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea here is to keep warm and comfortable
    Theynorth face sale froze their cigarette butts and snowboarding is more trouble than have fun. Skiing is interesting, it should should not be a problem.The idea here is to keep warm and comfortable
    Theynorth face sale froze their cigarette butts and snowboarding is more trouble than have fun. Skiing is interesting, it should should not be a problem.The idea here is to keep warm and comfortable
    Theynorth face sale froze their cigarette butts and snowboarding is more trouble than have fun. Skiing is interesting, it should should not be a problem.The idea here is to keep warm and comfortable
    Theynorth face sale froze their cigarette butts and snowboarding is more trouble than have fun. Skiing is interesting, it should should not be a problem.The idea here is to keep warm and comfortable
    Theynorth face sale froze their cigarette butts and snowboarding is more trouble than have fun. Skiing is interesting, it should should not be a problem.