but they have a copyright on the document you read to find that out.:)
So I as a software developer MUST give everything I do away because to not do so would be an "anti-free" action. What about the document I just read about freedom? It seems that this document is copywritten?
How can one be serious in writing a document that states the evils of intellectual property and then claim that document as intellectual propert by slapping a Copyright on it?
So you don't advocate the freedom of choosing a license which is really power. This means that a freedom advocate has the power to choose the license for us?
I personally don't care if KDE looks like GNOME, OSX, Windows or whatever. The fact is that people can sit down and actually use it. It helps get alternative OS's [FreeBSD & Linux and others] on the desktops of laymen.
It also has one hell of a cool API if you want to write apps for it and now with language bindings for Java, C and Objective C [Perl? I think] its becoming a better toolkit/framework for application development.
If you don't like it cuz it looks like windows:
1) You must really have a chip on your shoulder about windows.
2) You just want something original.
Perhaps in KDE's future an ultra configurable Window Manager can be setup to do what YOU want. If there is enough interest it will happen.
As far as I am concerned I used IceWM and other Win95 looking Window Managers when I first started with linux to help break me in. I can see the need for more or at least different look and feel. WindowMaker is an excellent example but that is a NeXT "ripoff" if you want to call it that.
I fell in love with SuSE 6.0 but haven't been very happy with it since. If I could only learn to get along with YAST!:) Maybe its time to try 7.3 for PPC!:)
Hey... look at that 48 bit addressing ATA drivers are now working? Wow... maybe FreeBSD people should run around making bogus claims too. FreeBSD invented the Question Mark! Wooo hoo.
I also think you can use Vinum to mount such a petabyte sized file system fairily easilly.
Really FreeBSD doesn't get enough credit for work that's been done. I know linux has a lot of good marketing for technical features but you also have to believe everything you read to fall for it.
FreeBSD's FFS can support huge filesystems. I don't know about the disk drivers though.
With Vinum [software RAID for FBSD] you could probably mount drives to your hearts content and hit the Petabyte limit and break it. I forget how much space FFS addresses exactly but I do remember it being a whole hell of a lot.
People should really check into these things before making lofty claims about linux being the first at something. I think FreeBSD had broken the petabyte limit years ago.
What about the file systems for such an amount of data? I think FreeBSD's FFS has had petabyte capability for quite some time now. I don't know aboud FBSD's disk driver support for it though..
WRONG!
I don't think KDE will work out of the box on OSX due to issues with dlopen. KDE takes advanatage of some very ELFish dlopen properties.
Its possible that dlopen can be improved in Darwin to allow KDE to do what it wants to there.
At least thats what the fink.sourceforge.net people are saying. I already have GNOME on my OSX desktop at work and can happilly switch between the Aqua desktop and GNOME at my leisure.
Actually its not a violation to "behave as linux behaves" for syscalls. FreeBSD has linux binary emulation and has had it for a while. RealPlayer 8 for linux runs on FreeBSD via the emulation layer as does hundreds->thousands of other linux apps. Even linux Java development kits run on FreeBSD.
This is a clear benefit to any os to be able to run other OS binaries. There is a series of articles on an OReilly onlamp site that tells how to emulate linux on NetBSD and documents the procedure of implementing said binary compatibility. Its not really that difficult.
Actually Charles Babbage invented other things besides the analytical engine and computing machings.
That angular pointy looking wedge on the front side of old style steam locomitives was called a cowcatcher and was used to remove *ahem* debris from train tracks so the trains could keep moving. Live or dead cows could be pushed off the tracks... What an interesting device!:)
That is VERY true. But it seems that it would be useful to have CVS and bugtracking just to help do a really good job with it. I guess if it were MY toy I would do it differently.
Well I don't see why saying "large-vendor" must apply to M$ all the time. There are other large vendors with high quality products. Linux's release early and release often philosophy means there can never be a true "stable" anything because the development cycle involves releasing code that will never have been "time-tested". Some large vendors do indeed put things through a alpha, beta and then release stage [sometimes with a release candidate in there somewhere too].
Don't you think it might be about time to have a linux CVS and bugtracker. To my knowledge no such thing exists. Perhaps other people would have actually tried to compile some of this stuff and caught the bugs.
That way each new release can be a "tag" and every new 2.x+1 that occurs can be a branch.
FreeBSD (while not void of bugs) has had a great deal of success with CVS IMHO. The parport bug is that the author submitted something that can't even compile due to a #define constant name that was malformed. I think he forgot the ECP part of it. Someone else posted the patch here in the replies section.
Actually... according to everything I have ever read about linux the unstable development tree is 2.odd.whatever. Everything in 2.even.whatever is called the "stable tree".
Actually FreeBSD has this thing called a linux compatibility layer which means you have the ability to run linux binaries. It can translate a linux kernel call to a FreeBSD one. I use it and it works VERY well.
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Anything but RH!!! Now our children can learn to use broken compilers that aren't ready for prime time yet...
Why not just give them hardware and then let the schools choose...
Redhat must really want/need those training contracts.
but they have a copyright on the document you read to find that out. :)
So I as a software developer MUST give everything I do away because to not do so would be an "anti-free" action. What about the document I just read about freedom? It seems that this document is copywritten?
How can one be serious in writing a document that states the evils of intellectual property and then claim that document as intellectual propert by slapping a Copyright on it?
So you don't advocate the freedom of choosing a license which is really power. This means that a freedom advocate has the power to choose the license for us?
Quite hypocritical.
I personally don't care if KDE looks like GNOME, OSX, Windows or whatever. The fact is that people can sit down and actually use it. It helps get alternative OS's [FreeBSD & Linux and others] on the desktops of laymen.
It also has one hell of a cool API if you want to write apps for it and now with language bindings for Java, C and Objective C [Perl? I think] its becoming a better toolkit/framework for application development.
If you don't like it cuz it looks like windows:
1) You must really have a chip on your shoulder about windows.
2) You just want something original.
Perhaps in KDE's future an ultra configurable Window Manager can be setup to do what YOU want. If there is enough interest it will happen.
As far as I am concerned I used IceWM and other Win95 looking Window Managers when I first started with linux to help break me in. I can see the need for more or at least different look and feel. WindowMaker is an excellent example but that is a NeXT "ripoff" if you want to call it that.
I love BSD too but I have never heard of a BSD being "beta". 5.0 is not stable... although I am probably going to CVSup tonight and build it anyway :)
That's part of the problem with Open Source Development. If sourceforge can't make a buck from donations they have to do more Capitalistic things.
I fell in love with SuSE 6.0 but haven't been very happy with it since. If I could only learn to get along with YAST! :) Maybe its time to try 7.3 for PPC! :)
Thanks! FreeBSD is sometimes like Rodney Dangerfield. "No respect."
http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html#2001Nov ember3:1
... look at that 48 bit addressing ATA drivers are now working? Wow... maybe FreeBSD people should run around making bogus claims too. FreeBSD invented the Question Mark! Wooo hoo.
Hey
I also think you can use Vinum to mount such a petabyte sized file system fairily easilly.
Really FreeBSD doesn't get enough credit for work that's been done. I know linux has a lot of good marketing for technical features but you also have to believe everything you read to fall for it.
FreeBSD's FFS can support huge filesystems. I don't know about the disk drivers though.
With Vinum [software RAID for FBSD] you could probably mount drives to your hearts content and hit the Petabyte limit and break it. I forget how much space FFS addresses exactly but I do remember it being a whole hell of a lot.
People should really check into these things before making lofty claims about linux being the first at something. I think FreeBSD had broken the petabyte limit years ago.
What about the file systems for such an amount of data? I think FreeBSD's FFS has had petabyte capability for quite some time now. I don't know aboud FBSD's disk driver support for it though..
Light up underpants when you get an email.
Pants that dry themselves after scary situations.
Chastity Belt complete with alarm system!
WRONG!
:(
I don't think KDE will work out of the box on OSX due to issues with dlopen. KDE takes advanatage of some very ELFish dlopen properties.
Its possible that dlopen can be improved in Darwin to allow KDE to do what it wants to there.
At least thats what the fink.sourceforge.net people are saying. I already have GNOME on my OSX desktop at work and can happilly switch between the Aqua desktop and GNOME at my leisure.
If only it were KDE instead of GNOME.
Actually its not a violation to "behave as linux behaves" for syscalls. FreeBSD has linux binary emulation and has had it for a while. RealPlayer 8 for linux runs on FreeBSD via the emulation layer as does hundreds->thousands of other linux apps. Even linux Java development kits run on FreeBSD.
This is a clear benefit to any os to be able to run other OS binaries. There is a series of articles on an OReilly onlamp site that tells how to emulate linux on NetBSD and documents the procedure of implementing said binary compatibility. Its not really that difficult.
Actually Charles Babbage invented other things besides the analytical engine and computing machings.
:)
That angular pointy looking wedge on the front side of old style steam locomitives was called a cowcatcher and was used to remove *ahem* debris from train tracks so the trains could keep moving. Live or dead cows could be pushed off the tracks... What an interesting device!
That is VERY true. But it seems that it would be useful to have CVS and bugtracking just to help do a really good job with it. I guess if it were MY toy I would do it differently.
Your argument that a kernel isn't stable until Alan Cox has had a crack at it means that release early and often doesn't produce stable code.
Why call any linux kernel "stable" then until Alan has had it. How many linux distributions use AC kernels?
Well I don't see why saying "large-vendor" must apply to M$ all the time. There are other large vendors with high quality products. Linux's release early and release often philosophy means there can never be a true "stable" anything because the development cycle involves releasing code that will never have been "time-tested". Some large vendors do indeed put things through a alpha, beta and then release stage [sometimes with a release candidate in there somewhere too].
Don't you think it might be about time to have a linux CVS and bugtracker. To my knowledge no such thing exists. Perhaps other people would have actually tried to compile some of this stuff and caught the bugs.
That way each new release can be a "tag" and every new 2.x+1 that occurs can be a branch.
FreeBSD (while not void of bugs) has had a great deal of success with CVS IMHO. The parport bug is that the author submitted something that can't even compile due to a #define constant name that was malformed. I think he forgot the ECP part of it. Someone else posted the patch here in the replies section.
I guess it depends on what commercial vendor you are speaking of... :)
Actually... according to everything I have ever read about linux the unstable development tree is 2.odd.whatever. Everything in 2.even.whatever is called the "stable tree".
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Certain large vendors often test things before they go out though.
so much for "stable" huh?
If this had been a really obscure bug I can understand it making it into a stable release, but symlinks? Come on... Where is the sense of quality?
Luckily I only use Linux at work. I use FreeBSD and Mac OSX at home (Windows for games).
Then I can advance to level 10!!
Actually FreeBSD has this thing called a linux compatibility layer which means you have the ability to run linux binaries. It can translate a linux kernel call to a FreeBSD one. I use it and it works VERY well.