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KDE 3.0 Screenshots
Lawrence Teo writes: "The screenshots of the upcoming KDE 3.x are out! More treats for you screenshot-loving people and I-need-my-desktop-to-look-perfect types. :-)" Frankly, they look a lot like ... previous KDE desktops :) That by itself says a lot about how mature KDE has become.
The site seems /.ed .... any mirrors ?
KDE 3 provides a database-independent API for accessing SQL databases. It provides support for ODBC as well as direct support for Oracle, PostgreSQL and MySQL databases (custom drivers may be added as well). I am really looking forward to this feature, as I am a SQL junkie. If I could backend everything to a SQL database I would.
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You would think that of all places, KDE.org would expect to be slashdotted, and handle themselves accordingly. Oh well. We don't see all of the punches coming.
Guess I'll check back in a hour or so *grin*
Come on, everyone knows that a modern desktop needs to have excessive animation. I want a parade of dancing midgets everytime I iconify emacs!
Oh wait, these are just screenshots. Perhaps I just can't see all of the glorious animation? That must be it.
"Tomorrow's forecast: a few sprinkles of genius with a chance of doom!" - Stewie Griffin
Well, there's not much change.
But that was said beforehand, it won't be the big change like going from kde1 to kde2.
It's more an upgrade to Qt 3, which has as result that kde2 and kde3 are binary incompatible.
Maybe they are lucky (or not) that it is in about the same timeframe as going from gcc2 to gcc3. All c++ binaries will be broken with or without qt2/qt3 in most major distro's.
On kernel-cousin I read that a beta version should become available at the end of the month. Might be interesting.
I just hope that kde 3 will be ready to ship in the new distro's for next year, like Redhat 7.3/8.0 and Mandrake 8.2.
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
I think the screenshots are nice. But after more than 15 years, I still want to have TOTAL control over my desktop, including the option of finally getting away from SQUARE WINDOWS. To appeal to a wider audience lets start having the option of having circular, triangular, morphing windows.
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I really like geoshell and all, but KDE on my windows boxen would be great!
Prevent linux based DDOS's!
http://linux.denialofservice.org/
[...] and the friendly tips from Kandalf.
:)
"Friendly tips", eh?
Beware... the PaperClip also started like this...
Evolution and Gnumeric are great examples, as are KOffice and Konqueror.
I know it's cliche, but I can't wait for Evo 1.0, Gnome 2.0, KDE 3.0, Mozilla 1.0, Abiword 1.0, et al.
Regards,Reid
I like teamwork. It's easier to assign blame that way.
Actually, I understand that one of the most important difference between KDE 2 and KDE 3 is anti-aliasing. Unfortunatly, they only have JPEG screenshots, so it's almost impossible to notice the anti-aliasing because of how JPEG works. JPEG encodes pictures in the frequency (DCT) domain, so it has a normal tendency to slightly blur (low-pass) the image (which is OK in most circumstances), which makes is also roughly what the anti-aliasing does.
However, PNG (or GIF, but if you don't mind the patent issues) would have been a good alternative, as it doesn't have that low-pass effect since it just works by quantizing values (colormap) before a lossless compression (which is the patented part in GIF). Anyone have GIF or PNG screenshots?
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
I remember way back in the day, I thought KDE was an unstable, showy piece of crap. I think a lot of us did. A lot of us didn't even consider KDE over Gnome on our linux box. And I think it is safe to say, and many will agree, that KDE really has done an outstanding job - and that in a relatively short period of time. The screen shots look beautiful, and I wish continued success to the KDE team.
I think several years ago if I would have placed a bet on which GUI would succeed, I would say Gnome. Now, I wouldn't bet on either - I think both are excelling in their own way. Gnome seems to be the accepted choice that the commercial Unixes are going with, while KDE is doing a fine job of fulfilling the desktop wants and needs, and looking cool at the same time.
Hats off to the KDE team - their contribution is taken for granted every time you login to your pretty KDE desktop. KDE, thank you.
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a dancing GNU
Keep in mind, there isn't much new screen candy in KDE 3.0; a lot of the changes are in the libraries. The biggest change is the port to Qt 3.0, which provides database-aware widgets, improved Qt Designer, bi-di text support, a new regexp class, among other things.
There are also many new applications being added to KDE.
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
We'll see how long this box can last...
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
http://www.uk.kde.org
Enjoy. Actually, it's not much to look at.
yeah looks about as much like windows as Ximian GNOME looks like Mac OSX!
You must not use windows too often.
You're right. I shouldn't insult Windows by comparing it to this cheap knock-off.
Surprise surprise, we've /.ed them...
"It take 9 months to bear a child, no matter how many women you assign to the job."
Frankly, they look a lot like ... previous KDE desktops :) That by itself says a lot about how mature KDE has become.
Windows 95 looks just like Windows 98. Theres nothing really different, aside from supporting USB. Windows sucks.
Heard Tori Amos on the radio this morning. She had a geat quote: Perspective changes whenever you move. Things always look different from another viewpoint.
Some of the linux zealots need to move around a bit. The view never changes unless you're in front.
cheap knock off... that's funny.. Go FUCK YOURSELF MORON!
Duh...
/.ed
:)
They must be
And this with only 39 comments ???
Seems as they're running M$PWS v3
My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And
I have to ask - do you ever get people to bite on those anymore? Are there really /. readers left who will click on any link without mousing over first? I think not.
Yes, it may be that it will look a bit prettier. But the major change in KDE 3.0 will be the port of all the apps to Qt 3
That seems to be the last major change in the libs for a long time. I think they will try to keep a consistent API for a couple years (after 3.0 is released) to let programmers write apps for KDE. I undertand (from previous discussions in the dot ) that they decided to jump to (the apparently much improved) Qt 3 now, spend a few months in the ports and then provide a mature, solid API. I guess they made the right decision.
Many thanks to the KDE folks,
-- Don Inodoro
KDE on CygWin -- there you go! It's only KDE 1.1.2 though. But it beats Windows ;)
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
I went to look at the screenshots and was pretty disappointed. All I saw was "HTTP 500 - Internal Server Error."
What the hell kind of interface is that? What do click on to get to the program menu, the "H" or the "T" (and which "T"?)?
"People that quote themselves in their signatures bother me" - athakur999
You're right. KDE can't compare to Windows in any category. Calling it a cheap knock off degrades Korean and Taiwanese knock off factories.
Shouldn't that be Konquer your desktop? ;)
BTW, anti-aliasing was introduced on KDE 2.
MOD THE CHILD UP!
Great eye candy, but I still have no reason to switch from Gnome. I'ld like to see a poll of how many people have switched from KDE to Gnome and vice versa...
Um, this is my sig.
yes, because we all know that KDE has been around for longer than windows. Besides, everyone stole the idea from Xerox, so what harm is done if KDE steals it from microsoft?
if anyone is interested kde 2.2.2 (bugfix) should be out soon , it was supposed to be out 11/12 but looks like they didnt meet that deadline.
I SURVIVED THE GREAT SLASHDOT BLACKOUT OF 2002!
I'm a little miffed at the rather poor selection of anti-aliased fonts available in 2.2, hopefully there will be abundant fonts in 3.
the new windows xp user interface has a two styles: blubbly mess in blue, brown or silver or (now get this!) the original windows interface. all these themes are just microsoft's attempt to catch up with the aesthetics of macos x and the x window manages and desktops.
no forced registration and sending product keys to microsoft. with kde, your privacy is respected.
free (as in mp3s) electronic music
I ack this except for that I now consider using KDE on an OpenBSD box (no linux here, too instable). Not personally, I never even liked X and stick with icewm (for the sake of ease and 400kB WM executables). But by usage of KDE I could start to teach my friends real UN*X. Linux first (KDE 1.x times), I hoped for GNOME. But on OpenBSD now, I do not even hear of GNOME, but KDE 2.2.1 has been in the ports system nearly instantly after release. And my friends discovered - and discovered how to make a CD link on the desktop (not that easy under OpenBSD). :)
It's a pity that most free software is Linux-centric (the control planel doesn't do much sensefull except for WM settings), but for my fellow X11 using friends it's a cool tool to learn.
One of them I even started teaching a bit about the console (not the Konsole
My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And
1. Is the DB API threadsafe?
2. Does it block the GUI thread while waiting for a result set?
I thought /. was the home of hip young folks who use GNOME.
What's with beating the KDE server into the ground? You whippersnappers don't use it anyway.
Would it be that terrible to let us backwards old fogies enjoy one of the few pleasures we have left, oohing and ahing over KDE?
Thank you very much.
Yeah, but Konqy rocks :)
I don't think originality was a design goal.. and when windows came out, Apple sued because it looked like the Mac.. it all comes around.
I had problems getting to kde.org (slashdotted i guess), So heres the google cache:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:VKh2tq2m4WA:My first slashdot post, and i must say this test box is toooo small.
Trevelyan
I used kde 2 for a while.
Right now I'm using last night's cvs of kde3 called kde 2.9.0.
Not much has changed as far as looks go. Here are some changes i've noticed as i have both cvs and 2.2.1 installed on the same machine:
Not a huge change as kde1 -> kde2 but enough of one that i always choose my kde3 session instead of kde2.
Liberty.
Please tell me about these users who have not moved to KDE yet because of the lack of triangular windows.
The reload Button (2 green arrows, nice) should be changed, because a german company ("Der grüne Punkt") is using a symbol exactly like that. Who knows, one day Microsoft buys this company only to sue KDE ;)
ciao, Hermi
i have mirrored your mirror here
enjoy
Finally someone on slashdot extending some appreciation to people who volunteer their time to crank out great code. Its a welcome change from the grumpy dishevelled posters who shit on everything and anything.
http://yavista.com/
KDE has that evil look...
Smile... tomorrow will be worse.
Maybe it's just me, but KDE sure looks a lot like Windows. In many ways it seems like KDE is just playing catch up. Most of the features of windows are copied verbatim (ie. taskbar, "start" button, same keyboard shortcuts). I'm not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing, especially for windows users that are migrating to a linux environment. However, it would be nice to see something a little bit more revolutionary in it's design instead of rehashing the same old crap.
You should know that gif only has a 256 color palette and the screenshots (most of which have gradients) would look like trash and it wouldn't display the anti-aliasing all that well either.
The "kaudio KIO" screenshot shows the CD "All Killer No Filler" by "Sum 41", and has a folder for Ogg Vorbis tracks. Are those tracks actually on the CD, or is that a function of the kaudio plug-in? I imagine that it's the second option (a function of the plug-in), but I figured I'd send out a request for confirmation.
Looking good is nice. Too bad these environments get it backwards and always focus on form over function first. I'd rather have OS/2's wps on linux updated to be pretty. IBM was smart and actually got the SOM and DSOM and OOI stuff nailed down properly early. Now, if we had that environment to build on, we could make it prettier. Oh well. Windowmaker and ROX do a very nice job for me for now.
you racist bastard! take your small minded filth elsewhere!
lots of trolls today... please go home and shoot yourself to reduce the noise level...
... drive thru!
Thank you
When I read that post about triangular windows I spit my coffee all over my keyboard.
It's a troll fucktard, and one of the best. The moderator who upped it was just yanking your chain.
http://kbox.sourceforge.net/ -- lets you use blackbox styles in KDE. looks pretty nice, but I haven't tried it myself (waiting for new box to come in, and I'll reinstall linux in it).
XFree86 supports the SHAPE extension. Have you never tried the round clock, or XEyes? Or any of the fancy-ass skinnable MP3 players? X has had support for that for many years. It has nothing to do with KDE.
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CPAN rules. - Guido van Rossum
Why don't real-world objects, like books, come in more interesting shapes and sizes? Books have been around for longer than I can remember, maybe even more than a decade, so they have no excuse for not developing the useless features I clamor for. I once saw a really cool book in the children's library that was cut out in the shape of a teddy bear, and was full of bright, colorful pictures, but that was an exception to the rule. Most books are boring, box-shaped things, and they are full of nothing but little tiny words! What do they expect us to do, READ? If I had the attention span for that...
Uh, what was I talking about?
Why is it that every time there's a new package, OS, or library, we need to have screenshots for it? Don't themable window managers (and applications) mean that you can make your screen look just about any way you want it?
/. doesn't post screenshots for every rev of the Linux kernel.
At least
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
You may find my site faster than kde.org:s /
http://shakti.tky.hut.fi/slashdot/kde3-screenshot
You're right. The signal to noise ratio would be a lot better if some idiots would stop responding to trolls.
The /single/ thing that keeps me from running kde
/force/ you to
/only/ advantage of GNOME is the
is that cruddy excuse for a WM they
use. They (trolltech) hired the author of
blackbox, which is a good WM, and I hoped some of
his wisdom might flow down to the KDE team... but
alas, no sign of that yet. KDE developers, please
take note: The
fact that you can choose your own window manager.
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Maybe they are lucky (or not) that it is in about the same timeframe as going from gcc2 to gcc3. All c++ binaries will be broken with or without qt2/qt3 in most major distro's.
No that's not luck. That was a major reason why the desicion was made to move to Qt3 so quickly. This was heavily discussed about 4 months back and finally decided to timeframe the release with g++ 3.1 (because the minor release of g++ will break BC again).
Don't put it pass the KDE team to coordinate efforts with other projects.
I wish the KDE people published more binaries during the development, nightly or weekly builds or something. Compiling all the stuff takes several days, and it's usually hellishly difficult to get through compilations successfully.
SuSE seems to have published a limited 3.0.0 beta1 binaries, but I haven't found them for RH nor Mandrake. Well, RH takes usually a long time to publish even the release versions.
At one time, I participated in some minor KDE development, but it was somewhat bothersome that I could rarely get even kdelibs compiled easily. It made development a bit difficult sometimes.
KDE is just so damn big, and the libs change just too much all the time.
If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then the beholder is a MacOsX user ( or designer ;-), and
not a KDE3 enthousiast.
;-)
The first screenshot looks like an old KDE1 screenshots. Colors, icons, window decorations... all ghastly ugly if you ask me.
If you're talking about current user experiences, I'm much more at ease with the MacOsX desktop than with the KDE2 one ( been using MacOsX for a couple of days ). I still prefer the GNOME user experience above any KDE
Just my two cents, feel free to ignore
blaah !
Er .. like you?
A cursory glance at the few non-/.ed pics reveals an apparant convergent evolution between KDE and OSX... Anyone else see this?
Mmmmmm... Bold, yet refreshing!
I wonder if KDE 3.0 will intergrate better E 17....Does anyone know or has tested this?
That's the idea, Einstein. Reload is very much like recycle, hence the icon.
shhh... I'm twolling.
Yea, I was thinking of Der grüne Punkt, too. However, I think the most important reason to remove the icon is that what the company does is garbage recycling. Thus, most people associate the logo with "trash" and "throw away" instead of reload.
Um... I didn't do it!
Actually, it's a recycling/enviro initiative rather than a company. Duales System Deutschland AG has a similar logo also... but that's not the point.
I posted the original message about it looking like windows. I am sorry and I was wrong.
The fact is I am a loser with nothing better to do all day but bitch about things I don't use and troll on slashdot.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
I'm slowly pushing my users towards KDE2, but it kinda hurts that they can't browse the Winblows network under Konqueror. At one point there was a KIOslave that spoke SMB, but it got removed for some reason.
Do you know offhand whether it's back in KDE3?
(And before anyone jumps on me: no, I can't use smbmount (Linux only), and no, I can't use the workarounds from the public KIOslaves repository (Linux only)). But thanks.)
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Nonetheless, PNG is the future, no doubt. In any case, I think they should have put PNG, as well as JPEG screenshots.
-- Don Inodoro
that there seems to be a sftp kio-slave in KDE3 - that just rocks! I've been wanting that ever since our network was firewalled for all but port 22 (ssh).
--H
You're right. I think I can truly say that I am touched and honored by your sincere flattery. But you know and I know, though no one else could possibly know, that you are a cheap imitation (a knock off, if you will :-) of me.
I don't doubt that you are a loser with nothing better to do, but you certainly aren't me.
What about objprelink?
I've heard that on kde 2.2, the khtml and kjs (javascript) can be buggy when compiled with objprelink. They tend to crash more often.
How is that on kde 3.0 (2.90)?
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
You mean tRolling ?
didn't show text in a just slightly vertically misaligned manner and let me use Tab and Shift-Tab to move between links and fields, it would do everything that Internet Explorer does, and then some, minus the security exploits.
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Let me add that I also fuck goats.
That by itself says a lot about how mature KDE has become.
Exactly! now they need to concentrate on other stuff - notably on reducing the learning curve for new (i.e. - Windows) users. Right now, you can't *just* deploy a Linux PC to a former Windows user.
I suggest a minimal, 'less is more' approach. It would be nice to have an 'interface' button that would be common to all KDE (or even all open source desktops) that users could use to change the look and feel of things. Former Windows users could use a 'Windows' preset that would bring the learning curve up to par for these people. A standard set of 'beginner' through 'advanced' would also be nice followed, of course, by customizable and downloadable versions. Sorta like skinning the whole GUI.
Now if they could just come up with a standard, easy to use installation utility, then Linux might be viable for the mainstream desktop. Hell - I saw someone who bought a Mac the other day because they just wanted to "surf the web". Now I don't think that this is any worse than buying a Windows based PC, but they could have paid much less if they did and still retained the functionality desired. The bottom line is that I don't like Windows or Mac but I would be hesitant to recommend Linux to this kind of person.
Sigh...
Life is the leading cause of death in America.
I don't know exactly what you mean...
...but I'm glad you were able to get that off your chest.
I have found there are just two ways to go.
It all comes down to livin' fast or dyin' slow. -REK, Jr.
I personally don't care if KDE looks like GNOME, OSX, Windows or whatever. The fact is that people can sit down and actually use it. It helps get alternative OS's [FreeBSD & Linux and others] on the desktops of laymen.
It also has one hell of a cool API if you want to write apps for it and now with language bindings for Java, C and Objective C [Perl? I think] its becoming a better toolkit/framework for application development.
If you don't like it cuz it looks like windows:
1) You must really have a chip on your shoulder about windows.
2) You just want something original.
Perhaps in KDE's future an ultra configurable Window Manager can be setup to do what YOU want. If there is enough interest it will happen.
As far as I am concerned I used IceWM and other Win95 looking Window Managers when I first started with linux to help break me in. I can see the need for more or at least different look and feel. WindowMaker is an excellent example but that is a NeXT "ripoff" if you want to call it that.
Sure, if you're not making a subtle reference to Elmer Fudd (and have a capitalization problem).
Personally I loved the 1.X series as the application bar/switcher was seperated from the menus/menu-ing system.
:) ) and application switcher on the bottom (I suppose why I never saw the fuss about the dock in OS X) that would even *switch* between apps on different desktops! Cool.
You could have menues and virtual desktop's buttons on the top (as it should be
Now the "K" bar (or whatever it is called, I forget) is so damn crowded and the move to 2.X or so took the ability to seperate the app switcher bar from the "K" bar... major suckage and I switched to Gnome/sawfish and wanted to go back for that simple functionality.
Did it ever reappear? I'd consider going back to KDE for its visual appeal and added abilities, but the loss of that one function was enough to make me defect.
Oh, and someone asked about the "OS X-ness" being noticed...yes.
I'd venture to call it KDEOSXXP 3.0.
Rounded buttons of Aqua, flat brite menus of XP.
Also, I a not an interface designer, but for some odd reason I want/need/wish for would be to have the max/min button on the left (a la Aqua) and the close button/box on the right of a window (a la windows/KDE).
Maybe this just makes sense to me, dunno.
If it is not on fire, it is a software problem.
As if there was any doubt.
http://nforced.com/openbsd/ports/
Every now and then I try out the latest Gnome and/or KDE but I always end up back in FVWM because I generally want to customize more stuff out of the window manager than it will permit. My preference is for a minimalist layout with the occasional really fancy addition.
The brick wall that I always encounter is that I want to be able to replace (not add to) all of the root menu windows for all three mouse buttons. Is there anyone out there that has succeeded at this?
The screenshots presented for KDE 3 aren't the most visually stunning in the world, I agree.
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If you like OS X, you might like KDE's
Liquid widget theme
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
Also nice is the QNix widget style
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
... and kwin is already very themable. You can use any IceWM themes, and kbox (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content
Very few people seem to be providing themes that mimic Gnome ones: perhaps people actually prefer KDE's icons over Gnome's (I know I do). The path is open for someone to create a Gnome icon theme for KDE, if they want to. There are people working to improve KDE's icons, however, as in the iKons theme:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
[pardon the spaces in the links -- ready mangled by Slashdot]
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
Does anyone know if KDE will support the Resize and Rotate extension of Xfree86 4.10 or later?
Its another piece of Keith Packard niftiness that (among other things) allows the X server to notify the toor window and window manager when the resolution changes.
This is mainly used to be provide desktops which keep in sync with the display resolution - i.e, so when you change the screen res, you don't have to pan around an oversized desktop.
Anyone know if theres KDE3 support?
The latest versions of Freetype remove a Apple patented method of hinting, which changes the shape of characters to better match the pixels they are displayed on (ensuring that the arms of your `m' character aren't pushed together, for example, despite that at very small resolutions they might render this way).
Most of the recent KDE2 packages are compiled against the newer freetype, whose output is of slightly inferior quality due to the removal of the code for patented hinting method.
Which is why windows changed theirs. Win95 may have resembled the Mac interface (and inturn the Xerox interface) but KDE looks almost exactly like the windows interface. I suppose its only a matter of time before unix desktops start looking like Luna, since there seems to be a severe lack of creativity on that front.
(text to avoid the filter)
The coffee god lives!
I am excited about it though, I've become pretty attached to KDE in the last year, especially Konqueror.
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
-Easier to use than windows
-have MS Office, something Linux will never have
-Easiest to use
-highest quality hardware, well integrated hardware and software
-Unix based, as stable and reliable as linux
-a high quality windowing system superior to X11
-Real OO frameworks and dev ide
For the Average consumer apple offers the best solution if you are willing to pay.
I use kde2 for two reasons -
Firstly: my monitor blew up and my backup can only do 800x600 and windowmaker takes up too much room.
Secondly: I doesn't look exactly like windows or a mac but it has common elements, and even the default theme looks classy, specially with laptop win-dec theme.
When windows people see my machine they immediately ask what it is. Some people do the 'oh your a mac user' thing. Then they look silly.
When I say it is linux they go oh, and you can tell that they are thinking well it doesn't look all that hard to use. It is important at this point to do something like launching konqueror from the desktop bookmarks menu - but doing it slow enough so they can see what happened.
Use it in front of windows people and remember to demonstrate the neat gui things. Remember multiple desktops is something we're used to and probably can't live without - windows people have never even heard of the idea.
'Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson...'
Why does it always have to be about UPS vs. FedEx? Can't we just drop it?
It seems to me that UPS _DID_ drop it, several times, by the looks of the pictures.
Oh, wait...I think that was a joke. Never mind.
IF making pretty pictures for an interface is an inovation then a new circuit topology is an earthshattering achievement of mathematics and science.
The thought of MS actually inovating something is about as amussing as a monkey in a neglegie (quote from Curse of Monkey Island). And I used to work there, it sucked between the gates worship and the back patting, I'm surprised they get anything new out the door, oh wait they usually buy the tech off of someone else. Saw it happen many times.
Who better to use GayDE than Blowie Gay Choad?
Does it support the auto-injection of Hot Grits(tm) yet? And can my Natalie Portman JPEG's be displayed more sharply? Those are the important issues....
One of the things that I don't like about KDE2 (and what looks to still be a problem in KDE3) is that the Kicker Panel is still not quite extensible enough. I know that you can do all kinds of cool things with it.. but just try moving it around the screen, away from an edge. Try dynamically changing menu items around in the K menu. Things that Windows users have taken for granted for 2 or 3 years are still completely missing. I hope they address these issues soon.
"To make a mistake is only human; to persist in a mistake is idiotic." Cicero
KDE is looking more cluttered then windows ever did. There's more buttons there then stars in the sky. Geez, cool it down guys. A billion friggen buttons is 10x more comfusing than a 'bash$' prompt. It's especailly anoying when I don't install all of KDE(a billion friggen megs) and have 1/2 a billion non-working buttons.
Looks like its WindowMaker for me. It'd be console if there was a console port of Mozilla!
How come I can't find the QT Free Download at http://www.trolltech.com???
When is KDE going to have cursors with shadows, Knoquer with thumbnail view and semi-transparent menus that fade in and out.
And, most importantly, be able to cutomize your login icon from the bald head thingie.
At the risk of being flamed to hell for supporting a Microsoft 'innovation', that actually was an innovation and I think it's worth incorporating into KDE/Gnome/whichever. Only as optional behaviour of course - user should still have final say. However, I do think it's worth considering.
Cheers,
Ian
Yes everything you mentioned can be done in the current versions of KDE. Just a little configuring to change the look from the default.
A lot of other people complained.. that's why this functionality was added back.
Use the Z-modem protocol between Information Superhighway routers to compress the plaintext. ~LordOfYourPants
I believe the ABI for the compiler proper doesn't change (on most architechtures), but the ABI for the library *does*. The library was a total rerite, getiing it right at the first attempt was probably too much to hope for.
Boy! Aren't the "WIPO" and the "Fecal matter" trolls that appeared "recently" on /. complete shitheads!
I mean, Ok, trolling has always been "improper", and, heck, I wouldn't be the first to mod them down, but seriously, we are talking about Fanatic shitheads with loads of crap here.
Its not funny, not insulting, not even good trolling. WTF? Not even noise. Sometimes I feel embarassed for their posts!
If only I discover who summoned these shitheads..
the anti-troll masquerader troll
Because Slashdot is the playing ground of both GNOME *AND* KDE users!
There is no war between the two.
That war is only something the trolls WANT to believe in.
KDE was usable and functional long before GNOME was of any use whatsoever. IT's been ahead of the curve the whole time.
GNOME is great... but I find KDE more polished.