Ports is probably my favorite by far. I have run into problems using apt-get to install non-debian hosted packages like KDE. This is an irritation
for projects that require many packages to be installed.
Ports is really flexible in where it downloads source code from which is then patched upon download and built locally and installed. It also gets all the dependencies it needs along the way.
http://www.freshports.org is a good site to watch how many port updates occur each day and all the new ones. Its pretty up to date but that as it does with Debian packages depends on the port/package maintainer.
"Maybe Galeon should always restart with a dialog saying "Sorry I crashed, but it was Mozilla's fault!" "
Then I guess modularity sucks really. If you can't depend on what you are calling to be correct you have to do it yourself. I personally use Mozilla only for the fonts. Netscape is hideous but actually works better for much HTML than Mozilla. I haven't tried Konqueror in a long time. I may be switching back over from WM to KDE soon.
The LGPL appears to state that if you link to a LGPL'd library it must be of dynamic linkage otherwise your work becomes a derivative work and must also be LGPL'd. All LGPL'd works must have source distributions available. Re-read the license about 10 times and you will have a chance at understanding it.
You are mostly right but Quake 3 has no SDL in it whatsoever. ID software did the whole thing and Loki distributes it.
Soldier of Fortune does have SDL though....
Leimy
I bought this book a few years back. The CD that came with it had a couple other texts included with it. Zen of Assembly Lang was one I think.
Its a great book all the same. All you wanted to know about VGA registers...:)
I think its worth the $59.99 cover price:)
Leimy
A commercial company like Microsoft wouldn't do this because they have the financial responsibility of selling their goods.
Microsoft doesn't need to worry about financial responsibility. They have a monopoly. People will buy their products because they have no choice. They get money on almost ever PC sold in the United States and I bet the same is true overseas through their OEM deals. So whether you know it or not you most likely paid microsoft money for software you don't necessarily use.
And they call people who download warez pirates...
Just goes to show you that theft can be made part of a legally binding agreement and that the extremely cunning and intelligent people like Bill Gates can exploit the law to make money.
CIS is different in a few ways
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CS people get all the math. Calc's and all.
CIS people get mixed with Business and Accounting and Marketing and other stuff. At least I did.
CIS people can generally take all the software engineering stuff that CS people get and can sometimes get into the architecture classes as well.
I had no trouble getting hired with a CIS degree. I got a good understanding of business stuff like HR management and other work most CS people never see until the real world hits em in the face.
Then again my math skills are less developed so you need to speak to an advisor most likely to get the best info...
Can this be?!!! A real exchange of ideas on slashdot?!
I will agree that a poorly designed server will be much more difficult to maintain than a good one.
I suppose we agree that design is key!!!:)
That's good enough for me. I just really want to see a good microkernel implementation doing what the Hurd project proposes. Its really quite a good idea.
practice, a well designed monolithic kernel is no more likely to do that than a well designed microkernel. I have seen servers
running on top of a microkernel cause an avalanche affect and bring down the entire system.
And linux can be run on a microkernel... crash.. and be reloaded without rebooting. A well designed microkernel can be just as stable as a well designed monolithic. Its just easier to maintain a microkernel due to its small size.
Microkernels are a big deal. Try learning how they work before you criticize them.
A monolithic kernel has some drawbacks in that there is a lot more sensitive code that can bring the whole system to a screaching halt. It also has very low latency to its advantage.
A microkernel has much less critical code to it making it easier to maintain but in most cases incurs much greater latency in context switches during such activities as IPC between servers and user processes and the kernel proper.
L4 is a microkernel with low latency. If developments like this continue it could spell the end for monolithic kernels.
Sorry.... Its just the truth biting ya in the ass again!:)
When linux finally does swell to the point where it becomes unmaintainable you'll wish you had a microkernel to work on. There is a growing number of people in support of porting Hurd to L4. The main Hurd developers don't care what microkernel it runs on... Just that it runs.
Hope this clarifies the some of the myths and can cut through some of the bigotry that is unfortunately present in the linux community.
I was just on #hurd at irc.openprojects.net and some of the people there believe that HURD will have a PPP release this weekend.
Minus one complaint about usability!
The source is the debian-hurd mailing list....
Its coming along! It may even get ported to L4 which should open up some bottlenecks. If you want to learn more go to #hurd on irc.openprojects.net. Someone there may be able to help you find better websites to look at.
In the meantime try this one!
Installation Guide
Take care!!!
-Dave
Again with the uninformed speculation that is apparent in 90% of all/. comments.
Supercomputing is clustering. Beowulf is supercomputing. At least that's why there was some representation of Scyld Beowulf at the Supercomputing show.
Distributed licenses have nothing to do with parallel apps and scientific computing.
I wish people would try not to make themselves appear ignorant by only posting what they know about.
That's sure not to happen though...
I have given up on trying to get an intellectual discussion of issues on/.
There is too much evangelism and preaching going on to see any real arguments backed by claims that are verifiable.
In the United States we have basically established that email is the property of them employer.
It is basically to be regarded in the same way as any other tool you would use.
At work you are part of the company machine and all that matters is company privacy.
In the home you are an individual and have more rights to personal privacy as well as family privacy.
This shouldn't be seen as employers snooping into private matters. To every thing there is a season and work is not the time for personal privacy and concerns.:)
I actually know some of the HURD developers...
This project needs some fine tuning. It has gone through several major kernel changes to meet their idealistic goals.
There is no Operating System I know of that does what the HURD project is supposed to do.
The system is more flexible in that multiple
users can be logged in at a time and one could be tweaking something crucial to the OS like the scheduler and not affect the other users.
The only place you can do that sort of thing is in user mode linux. That requires you to run linux on top of linux. The HURD microkernel design makes this sort of thing a little nicer.
I am not knocking linux Just don't forget that much of what has made Linux successful has come from the GNU project and HURD is another part of it.
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No I have a job and better things to do than to worry about this.
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Ports is probably my favorite by far. I have run into problems using apt-get to install non-debian hosted packages like KDE. This is an irritation
for projects that require many packages to be installed.
Ports is really flexible in where it downloads source code from which is then patched upon download and built locally and installed. It also gets all the dependencies it needs along the way.
http://www.freshports.org is a good site to watch how many port updates occur each day and all the new ones. Its pretty up to date but that as it does with Debian packages depends on the port/package maintainer.
Dave
"Maybe Galeon should always restart with a dialog saying "Sorry I crashed, but it was Mozilla's fault!" "
Then I guess modularity sucks really. If you can't depend on what you are calling to be correct you have to do it yourself. I personally use Mozilla only for the fonts. Netscape is hideous but actually works better for much HTML than Mozilla. I haven't tried Konqueror in a long time. I may be switching back over from WM to KDE soon.
Dave
Well FreeBSD often outperforms linux...
= Linux+vs+FreeBSD&tid=1&n=33686541
Here are some server tests from a Byte article:
There are several articles on Byte.com
http://www.eoenabled.com/byte-itdev/default.asp?i
look for the one entitled: Byte > Column > Linux 2.4 vs FreeBSD 4.1.1 > For Servers: Linux 2.4 vs. FreeBSD 4.1.1 > January 30, 2001
Its results may surprise little daemons and penguins alike.
It's just like keyboard shortcuts... but for the mouse.
:).
If you like keyboard shortcuts chances are you don't use the mouse very much either.
I just want to know if I can make these gestures do cool things when I am in Emacs
To be or not to be....
:)
0x2b = 43
0x2b + (0x2b | ~0x2b) = 42
The LGPL appears to state that if you link to a LGPL'd library it must be of dynamic linkage otherwise your work becomes a derivative work and must also be LGPL'd. All LGPL'd works must have source distributions available. Re-read the license about 10 times and you will have a chance at understanding it.
You are mostly right but Quake 3 has no SDL in it whatsoever. ID software did the whole thing and Loki distributes it. Soldier of Fortune does have SDL though.... Leimy
I bought this book a few years back. The CD that came with it had a couple other texts included with it. Zen of Assembly Lang was one I think. Its a great book all the same. All you wanted to know about VGA registers... :)
I think its worth the $59.99 cover price :)
Leimy
www.libsdl.org (BeOS, MacOS, Linux Win32 others?) www.clanlib.org (Linux, Win32 others?) Dave
A commercial company like Microsoft wouldn't do this because they have the financial responsibility of selling their goods.
Microsoft doesn't need to worry about financial responsibility. They have a monopoly. People will buy their products because they have no choice. They get money on almost ever PC sold in the United States and I bet the same is true overseas through their OEM deals. So whether you know it or not you most likely paid microsoft money for software you don't necessarily use.
And they call people who download warez pirates...
Just goes to show you that theft can be made part of a legally binding agreement and that the extremely cunning and intelligent people like Bill Gates can exploit the law to make money.
CS people get all the math. Calc's and all.
CIS people get mixed with Business and Accounting and Marketing and other stuff. At least I did.
CIS people can generally take all the software engineering stuff that CS people get and can sometimes get into the architecture classes as well.
I had no trouble getting hired with a CIS degree. I got a good understanding of business stuff like HR management and other work most CS people never see until the real world hits em in the face.
Then again my math skills are less developed so you need to speak to an advisor most likely to get the best info...
Either path is a good one.
It makes valid points we already know. Its not written for the linux user . Its a commentary on stuff we already know.
The stuff about the size of distributions is a bunch of pucky too!
SuSE for instance can be small compared to that of WinNT or even other linuxes. If you just select the base installation thats what you'll get.
If you don't like that you installed all 1 million apps for linux then you shouldn't have clicked that option dumbass...
How would you like it the other way? I have to go download everything over my puny ppp connection because it DIDN'T come on the CD.
This article sucks.
Dave
Well its been great talking to you.
Have a nice day!
Dave
Can this be?!!!
:)
A real exchange of ideas on slashdot?!
I will agree that a poorly designed server will be much more difficult to maintain than a good one.
I suppose we agree that design is key!!!
That's good enough for me. I just really want to see a good microkernel implementation doing what the Hurd project proposes. Its really quite a good idea.
Dave
practice, a well designed monolithic kernel is no more likely to do that than a well designed microkernel. I have seen servers
running on top of a microkernel cause an avalanche affect and bring down the entire system.
And linux can be run on a microkernel... crash.. and be reloaded without rebooting. A well designed microkernel can be just as stable as a well designed monolithic. Its just easier to maintain a microkernel due to its small size.
At least thats the general belief.
Dave
Wow... Wrong again.. Hurd has two cd's full of dpkgs you can install. Hurd is just another way of running debian.
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It exists... and it works (for some).
Dave
Microkernels are a big deal. Try learning how they work before you criticize them.
:)
A monolithic kernel has some drawbacks in that there is a lot more sensitive code that can bring the whole system to a screaching halt. It also has very low latency to its advantage.
A microkernel has much less critical code to it making it easier to maintain but in most cases incurs much greater latency in context switches during such activities as IPC between servers and user processes and the kernel proper.
L4 is a microkernel with low latency. If developments like this continue it could spell the end for monolithic kernels.
Sorry.... Its just the truth biting ya in the ass again!
When linux finally does swell to the point where it becomes unmaintainable you'll wish you had a microkernel to work on. There is a growing number of people in support of porting Hurd to L4. The main Hurd developers don't care what microkernel it runs on... Just that it runs.
Hope this clarifies the some of the myths and can cut through some of the bigotry that is unfortunately present in the linux community.
dave
shouldn't those links be kde.org? This may be your problem. Please check your links before you send them in as a story.... Dave
I was just on #hurd at irc.openprojects.net and some of the people there believe that HURD will have a PPP release this weekend. Minus one complaint about usability! The source is the debian-hurd mailing list.... Its coming along! It may even get ported to L4 which should open up some bottlenecks. If you want to learn more go to #hurd on irc.openprojects.net. Someone there may be able to help you find better websites to look at. In the meantime try this one! Installation Guide Take care!!! -Dave
Thats not true at all. Why did people run Minix?
Why do people continue looking into Microkernels like FIASCO ?
Why would anyone be interested in furthering the area of Operating Systems by exploring new options?
If you aren't curious about how things work then don't play with HURD .
Wait until its really ready for use and then complain about it.
I realize HURD has been in development for eons. It is because noone has done this sort of thing before.
True, microkernels have existed for a while but can you run multiple OS servers on them? I haven't seen any. The HURD is capable of this.
I can tweak key parts of the OS like the scheduler and not affect anyone else on the who is logged in. Its just an interesting animal right now.
I plan to run it in the near future. I had been running it once before and I plan to develop software for it now and when its ready.
Linux is still the way to go though.....
Dave
Again with the uninformed speculation that is apparent in 90% of all /. comments.
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Supercomputing is clustering. Beowulf is supercomputing. At least that's why there was some representation of Scyld Beowulf at the Supercomputing show.
Distributed licenses have nothing to do with parallel apps and scientific computing.
I wish people would try not to make themselves appear ignorant by only posting what they know about.
That's sure not to happen though...
I have given up on trying to get an intellectual discussion of issues on
There is too much evangelism and preaching going on to see any real arguments backed by claims that are verifiable.
Too bad.
Try SDL. It works through direct X in windows. Its cross platform portable library. www.libsdl.org
In the United States we have basically established that email is the property of them employer. It is basically to be regarded in the same way as any other tool you would use. At work you are part of the company machine and all that matters is company privacy. In the home you are an individual and have more rights to personal privacy as well as family privacy. This shouldn't be seen as employers snooping into private matters. To every thing there is a season and work is not the time for personal privacy and concerns. :)
I actually know some of the HURD developers... This project needs some fine tuning. It has gone through several major kernel changes to meet their idealistic goals. There is no Operating System I know of that does what the HURD project is supposed to do. The system is more flexible in that multiple users can be logged in at a time and one could be tweaking something crucial to the OS like the scheduler and not affect the other users. The only place you can do that sort of thing is in user mode linux. That requires you to run linux on top of linux. The HURD microkernel design makes this sort of thing a little nicer. I am not knocking linux Just don't forget that much of what has made Linux successful has come from the GNU project and HURD is another part of it.
No I have a job and better things to do than to worry about this.