The problem is not Win 8 in itself. The OS is fine. Its that MS and pc vendors are pushing the metro side of it as if that was all there is to it. Were I to design a commercial for MS it would show the range of products 8 works on (even including phones though that is perhaps not technically accurate)... basically a progression of typical users using typical products and ending with the regular desktop user who uses the standard desktop rather than metro. "One OS that works for YOU across ALL devices"
Too many people have the misconception that you cant use 8 unless you have touch or that it is somehow beholden to it. Thats not true. Whether the improvements in the core are enough to get someone to upgrade just the OS from 7 to 8 may be up for debate but on new hardware nobody should hesitate to use 8 in desktop mode.
I may have missed it but was this a binary package for a specific distro (on their own servers) or a binary on an untrusted server not attached to any specific distro?
Interesting on the face of it but without data by requesting agency it really doesn't tell us too much. Are most of the requests coming from municipal or state authorities? Federal? If the latter, which agencies? Short of a NSL they should have no legal problem providing that kind of summary info.
In December I had the opportunity to try Arch out while attempting to get Xen working on a newly built pc. The Xen experiment failed but I did find myself liking the way Arch did things enough to install it on a SD card for my laptop just a week ago, replacing a FreeBSD 8 install. I really keep it there mostly for emergencies so perhaps I'll wipe and reinstall with this new BSD variant. But I'll still be keeping 9.1 on my desktop, at least for now.
Clearly from the replies the involvement of pulishers (and their editors - staff or consultant) vary considerably across academic fields, as well as individual journals.
Unfortunately the vast majority of posters have never had any work published and make the false assumption that its all gravy for the publishers. Editing anything - scientific papers, manuscripts, text books is a considerable effort, far more than spell check in word. Layout is also important to make best use of space and present the work clearly to the reader. So the text (including tables and figures) that the author sends to the publisher do not equate to editiorial review or layout work. All costs must also be spread over the expected readership of the journal, which in the case of most scientific journals is not a very large audience.
Demailly statement about authors doing all the typing already - did he really think publishers sent stenographers to take dictation? Hand written submissions? Sure, maybe in the 1920s.
In the case proposed here, there is also the added need for peer review with checks and balances, not just peer review by the guy who has plenty of free time because he has nothing else going on. Who is going to run this process? Who is going to prod slow reviewers? What about the final decisions to accept or reject? The opporunity for bias in decision making is going to be far higher. While academics are involved in the process now, the publisher (in theory) acts as last guarantor of good behavior.
Your comment was based on quoting somebody else who was annoyed at having to find a start menu replacement, or did you not say "So, in order to make Windows 8 USABLE, you have to run around and find third party apps and haxies to turn in back into Windows 7?" That is pretty clear to me that you share his/her belief that not having a start menu is a major headache/fail.
More gun control is the most pressing need of NY state and the country? Really? Amazing the deliberation of facts and opinion on the NY law.... backroom discussions between Cuomo and heads of legislature over weekend, passes on Tuesday. Patriot act? Well that was well thought out by comparison.
The number of people killed annually using "assult" weapons is absolutely miniscule. The number of people killed in the US in "mass" (is that more than 1? 2? 4?) shootings in the US in the past 10, 20, 30 years is even more miniscule when viewed against the population totals. Based upon 1999 stats from the Center for Disease Control:report of 29,000 firearm deaths
Of the firearms deaths in the report, over 17,000 involve suicide (16,599), accidental discharge (824), or "undetermined intent" (324) 3 . Logic dictates that these events would overwhelmingly involve the discharge of a single bullet (after all, the firing of a second shot would likely mean it wasn't "accidental" and anyone seriously attempting to commit suicide would, at the very least, incapacitate themselves after the first shot). So how does removing bayonet lugs, banning folding stocks, or limiting high capacity magazines going to help this segment of the problem?
- 299 additional shooting reported in the statistics are legal interventions. What we might call “good shoots” performed by law enforcement.
- Of the remaining 10,828 firearm homicides, only the tiniest fraction (roughly 1%) of these involves "assault weapons". This was also true prior to the
AWB. Statistically, any "benefits" from the AWB would be immeasurably small. Put another way, there were roughly 100 “assault weapon” deaths in
1993 prior to the AWB, there were roughly the same number in the years following the AWB. These are not my findings; they are the finding of The
National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice. You see, the AWB included a requirement that the Attorney General provide a report to Congress within 30 months evaluating the effects of the ban 4.
So that would mean that the odds of you dying in a firearm related homicide is in actuality more in the neighborhood of 1 in 26000. And the odds of you dying by the hand of an “assault weapon” wielding maniac would be on the order of 1 in 2.6 million, in any given year. The odds of such a thing happening over the entire course of your life would be around 1 in 34,000. By way of comparison, your lifetime odds of dying as an occupant in a car during a traffic accident is 1 in 247, 136 times greater than being killed by an “assault weapon”. Indeed, your odds of dying by a force of nature, such as lightning of flood, are over 11 times greater 5.
2004 Official Journal of South Carolina
Meanwhile, we sink further into debt as a country due to the inaction of our elected officials with the debt per citizen over $50,000 without including any future obligations. But we are certainly safe from being killed by an mean gun now!
Dude.. get the fuck over the missing start menu. It is not needed. Windows-X and Windows-C give you most of the functionality and if you are like any normal user, the applications you use most often already have a desktop icon and access thru start menu is redundant. For those times you need to find something not often used, how hard is it to press Windows key, right click and left click on All apps. Thats what.. one more click? Or do you need someone to make a special shutdown icon for you cause you can't handle ctrl-alt-del? There are plenty of tuturials to show you how to do so in all of 30 secons.
Clearly AIG was "credit" worthy as the liquidity provided by the Fed and Treasury was returned and the company exisits today. And this after they used AIG to pay off GS and others for contracts that at worst should not have been paid more than 60% and at best, might never had been paid due to fraud claims which probably would still be in the courts today. Also include Treasury's profit on Maiden Lane. AIG's crisis was not one of solvency per se, but one of liquidity I do fault AIG mgt for failing to better reserve funds but given that the credit lines with banks they relied on were yanked (in part because of their own difficulties) it would have been impossible to put aside suffiicent funds to handle the storm on their own. I suppose it should also be a lesson to every other corporation that their credit lines are worthless as they will not be honored, regardless of any underlying assets or collateral (such as the aircraft leasing unit or the foreign life companies that were eventually sold).
They had no interest in 'saving' AIG at all. Their interest was in using it as a conduit to keep Goldman Sachs (principally) and a few other investment houses in business and with good profits. It is far to long to write about here, but anybody can research what was done with the CDS and options and how GS got 100% payout when the norm is far, far less. A bridge loan during the liquidity crisis of 2008 (arranged but not necessarily from the Fed) would have enabled AIG to continue in business and without wiping out its shareholders (that would be you 401K and pension plan owner) but would have resulted in reduced payments to Goldmans and much litigation.
I'll grant that my glance was cursory but much of that list just appears to be "making other shit thats been around for a while work on Fedora.XX" Which are unique to Fedora that would compel one to chose it over one of the other distributions (and I hope we are past the point of talking about installers)? This is not a troll, the same question could probably be asked of most Linux distros but as a front page/. post makes Fedora 18 delay seem important I ask about it.
Yes, F=ma. Could you please tell the class then if when you drive you keep the pedal floored? Or at some point do you stop accelerating and move at a constant velocity?
1. The eekonomy sucks worse today than when Vista was released. 2. Equipment lifetimes are greater 3. Unlike Win 3.1 or Win 95, there are far fewer perceived needs to upgrade the OS independent of a complete hardware replacement. In some cases (older hardware w/ XP) nothing short of replacement allows win 8 use.
Lets put this in some perspective too.. outside of the Uber fanboys, how long does it take to get people to upgrade to the latest of Suse/Debian/Fedora/*BSD?
In most cases, things now work well enough that there really is not much reason to go through the hassles of a complete upgrade unless you are starting over from scratch.
And where does blame for this lie? Exactly with the people crying they need more money.. or else! From earlier in the year via NYT:
Experts have grown increasingly alarmed in the past two years because the existing polar satellites are nearing or beyond their life expectancies, and the launch of the next replacement, known as J.P.S.S.-1, has slipped to 2017, probably too late to avoid a coverage gap of at least a year.
Prodded by lawmakers and auditors, the satellite program’s managers are just beginning to think through alternatives when the gap occurs, but these are unlikely to avoid it.
This summer, three independent reviews of the $13 billion program — by the Commerce Department’s inspector general, the Government Accountability Office, and a team of outside experts — each questioned the cost estimates for the program, criticized managers for not pinning down the designs and called for urgent remedies. The project is run by the Commerce Department’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and NASA.
Where is the accountability? How many people have been fired? If one of my family is killed or injured because of the lack of coverage can I then sue the fuckwads who with $13B couldn't get a replacement up in time?
In response, top Commerce and NOAA officials on Sept. 18 ordered what they called an urgent restructuring — just the latest overhaul of the troubled program. They streamlined the management, said they would fill major vacancies quickly and demanded immediate reports on how the agency planned to cope with the gap.
Notice what is missing - fired. Made redundant. How much do you want to bet those 'restructured' and 'streamlined' are still on the payrolls?
The under secretary of commerce responsible for NOAA, Jane Lubchenco, issued the memorandum ordering the changes. In it, she wrote that the administration had been trying all along to fix “this dysfunctional program that had become a national embarrassment due to chronic management problems.”
Really? All along? Like for the past four years? Why do you STILL have a job if it has taken you four years to get to this point? Oh wait.. the administration was just SOOOOOO concerned about weather that (from netgov.com)
A host of weather-related groups around the globe strongly oppose the Obama administration's plans to reallocate spectrum weather satellites use to commercial cellular carriers in support of the National Broadband Plan. The groups include the World Meteorological Organization, weather agencies in countries such as Canada and Vietnam, state and local agencies, and commercial weather service providers in the United States.
WMO said the NTIA plan could end up threatening the operation of a global constellation of 20 weather satellites, including four geostationary operational environmental satellites and four polar-orbiting satellites the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration operates.
The bottom line is that there is a) no responsibility in government and b) agencies will always ask for more money.
And I hope everyone who thinks it would be a great idea to go back to monopoly utilities (as the original post suggests) remembers this - assuming they were not in diapers at the time. ATT raped people in any way it could -which was just about any way imaginable.
If there is collusion or other nefarious acts by these companies then they should be prosecuted and any fines returned to the consumer (and not the general revenue fund). Returning to a utility company model just gives us the worst of all worlds.
Yeah.. just like all those mommas for the the past.. 50,000 years? (more?) have gonna crazy because they didn't have a phone/tablet for the baby to play with. Get a grip.
though in some respects it makes me want to get a permit as my neighborhood appears undefended. Hmm.. maybe thats the point of it? Left out of all of this is that NY does not require permits for shotguns or rifles.
I also have win7 on a laptop and no, I don't find 8 (so far) to be a 'fucking nightmare' compared to 7. In fact, it seems faster on the desktop (using a cpu that is marginally inferior to the one on laptop).
While I won't be a heavy user of the metro stuff, I'm fine with it being there and don't see the big issue with it, even with a mouse. The only downside I've really seen is the horizontal page breaking. But the whole mouse vs touch thing? Perhaps I am 'exceptional' (ha!) but it didn't take too much to figure out what to do to make it work.
Again, I reserve the right to change my mind with heavier use of both the desktop and metro but nothing so far has me wanting to rip it off and install XP or 7 again.
And just a small beef with discussions on this type of subject - what is really being debated is KDE vs Gnome vs (insert other wm/dte) and not the OS itself - which is different than the gui interface.
If they did their time and have been released (and are off whatever probation that was given to reduce the sentence) then they should have equal access just like everyone else. Shit like this only morphs into wider reaching 'protections' for society. Got a couple speeding tickets? Well no more Need for Speed for you! Prosecute when laws are broken, not before and not after a sentence has been served.
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The problem is not Win 8 in itself. The OS is fine. Its that MS and pc vendors are pushing the metro side of it as if that was all there is to it. Were I to design a commercial for MS it would show the range of products 8 works on (even including phones though that is perhaps not technically accurate)... basically a progression of typical users using typical products and ending with the regular desktop user who uses the standard desktop rather than metro. "One OS that works for YOU across ALL devices"
Too many people have the misconception that you cant use 8 unless you have touch or that it is somehow beholden to it. Thats not true. Whether the improvements in the core are enough to get someone to upgrade just the OS from 7 to 8 may be up for debate but on new hardware nobody should hesitate to use 8 in desktop mode.
I may have missed it but was this a binary package for a specific distro (on their own servers) or a binary on an untrusted server not attached to any specific distro?
Interesting on the face of it but without data by requesting agency it really doesn't tell us too much. Are most of the requests coming from municipal or state authorities? Federal? If the latter, which agencies? Short of a NSL they should have no legal problem providing that kind of summary info.
In December I had the opportunity to try Arch out while attempting to get Xen working on a newly built pc. The Xen experiment failed but I did find myself liking the way Arch did things enough to install it on a SD card for my laptop just a week ago, replacing a FreeBSD 8 install. I really keep it there mostly for emergencies so perhaps I'll wipe and reinstall with this new BSD variant. But I'll still be keeping 9.1 on my desktop, at least for now.
Clearly from the replies the involvement of pulishers (and their editors - staff or consultant) vary considerably across academic fields, as well as individual journals.
Unfortunately the vast majority of posters have never had any work published and make the false assumption that its all gravy for the publishers. Editing anything - scientific papers, manuscripts, text books is a considerable effort, far more than spell check in word. Layout is also important to make best use of space and present the work clearly to the reader. So the text (including tables and figures) that the author sends to the publisher do not equate to editiorial review or layout work. All costs must also be spread over the expected readership of the journal, which in the case of most scientific journals is not a very large audience.
Demailly statement about authors doing all the typing already - did he really think publishers sent stenographers to take dictation? Hand written submissions? Sure, maybe in the 1920s.
In the case proposed here, there is also the added need for peer review with checks and balances, not just peer review by the guy who has plenty of free time because he has nothing else going on. Who is going to run this process? Who is going to prod slow reviewers? What about the final decisions to accept or reject? The opporunity for bias in decision making is going to be far higher. While academics are involved in the process now, the publisher (in theory) acts as last guarantor of good behavior.
this seems a far better product.
It really is amazing how the IT industry continues to re-invent what was done decades ago.
Your comment was based on quoting somebody else who was annoyed at having to find a start menu replacement, or did you not say "So, in order to make Windows 8 USABLE, you have to run around and find third party apps and haxies to turn in back into Windows 7?" That is pretty clear to me that you share his/her belief that not having a start menu is a major headache/fail.
Of the firearms deaths in the report, over 17,000 involve suicide (16,599), accidental discharge (824), or "undetermined intent" (324) 3 . Logic dictates that these events would overwhelmingly involve the discharge of a single bullet (after all, the firing of a second shot would likely mean it wasn't "accidental" and anyone seriously attempting to commit suicide would, at the very least, incapacitate themselves after the first shot). So how does removing bayonet lugs, banning folding stocks, or limiting high capacity magazines going to help this segment of the problem?
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- 299 additional shooting reported in the statistics are legal interventions. What we might call “good shoots” performed by law enforcement.
- Of the remaining 10,828 firearm homicides, only the tiniest fraction (roughly 1%) of these involves "assault weapons". This was also true prior to the AWB. Statistically, any "benefits" from the AWB would be immeasurably small. Put another way, there were roughly 100 “assault weapon” deaths in 1993 prior to the AWB, there were roughly the same number in the years following the AWB. These are not my findings; they are the finding of The National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice. You see, the AWB included a requirement that the Attorney General provide a report to Congress within 30 months evaluating the effects of the ban 4
So that would mean that the odds of you dying in a firearm related homicide is in actuality more in the neighborhood of 1 in 26000. And the odds of you dying by the hand of an “assault weapon” wielding maniac would be on the order of 1 in 2.6 million, in any given year. The odds of such a thing happening over the entire course of your life would be around 1 in 34,000. By way of comparison, your lifetime odds of dying as an occupant in a car during a traffic accident is 1 in 247, 136 times greater than being killed by an “assault weapon”. Indeed, your odds of dying by a force of nature, such as lightning of flood, are over 11 times greater 5
2004 Official Journal of South Carolina
Meanwhile, we sink further into debt as a country due to the inaction of our elected officials with the debt per citizen over $50,000 without including any future obligations. But we are certainly safe from being killed by an mean gun now!
Only if we get Archie and Veronica back too.
Who will out live the earth? Roaches or COBOL code?
MOVE 'FUNNY' TO WS-MODERATION-CODE.
Dude.. get the fuck over the missing start menu. It is not needed. Windows-X and Windows-C give you most of the functionality and if you are like any normal user, the applications you use most often already have a desktop icon and access thru start menu is redundant. For those times you need to find something not often used, how hard is it to press Windows key, right click and left click on All apps. Thats what.. one more click? Or do you need someone to make a special shutdown icon for you cause you can't handle ctrl-alt-del? There are plenty of tuturials to show you how to do so in all of 30 secons.
Clearly AIG was "credit" worthy as the liquidity provided by the Fed and Treasury was returned and the company exisits today. And this after they used AIG to pay off GS and others for contracts that at worst should not have been paid more than 60% and at best, might never had been paid due to fraud claims which probably would still be in the courts today. Also include Treasury's profit on Maiden Lane. AIG's crisis was not one of solvency per se, but one of liquidity I do fault AIG mgt for failing to better reserve funds but given that the credit lines with banks they relied on were yanked (in part because of their own difficulties) it would have been impossible to put aside suffiicent funds to handle the storm on their own. I suppose it should also be a lesson to every other corporation that their credit lines are worthless as they will not be honored, regardless of any underlying assets or collateral (such as the aircraft leasing unit or the foreign life companies that were eventually sold).
They had no interest in 'saving' AIG at all. Their interest was in using it as a conduit to keep Goldman Sachs (principally) and a few other investment houses in business and with good profits. It is far to long to write about here, but anybody can research what was done with the CDS and options and how GS got 100% payout when the norm is far, far less. A bridge loan during the liquidity crisis of 2008 (arranged but not necessarily from the Fed) would have enabled AIG to continue in business and without wiping out its shareholders (that would be you 401K and pension plan owner) but would have resulted in reduced payments to Goldmans and much litigation.
Happy 21.0a1!
I'll grant that my glance was cursory but much of that list just appears to be "making other shit thats been around for a while work on Fedora.XX" Which are unique to Fedora that would compel one to chose it over one of the other distributions (and I hope we are past the point of talking about installers)? This is not a troll, the same question could probably be asked of most Linux distros but as a front page /. post makes Fedora 18 delay seem important I ask about it.
Yes, F=ma. Could you please tell the class then if when you drive you keep the pedal floored? Or at some point do you stop accelerating and move at a constant velocity?
1. The eekonomy sucks worse today than when Vista was released. 2. Equipment lifetimes are greater 3. Unlike Win 3.1 or Win 95, there are far fewer perceived needs to upgrade the OS independent of a complete hardware replacement. In some cases (older hardware w/ XP) nothing short of replacement allows win 8 use. Lets put this in some perspective too.. outside of the Uber fanboys, how long does it take to get people to upgrade to the latest of Suse/Debian/Fedora /*BSD?
In most cases, things now work well enough that there really is not much reason to go through the hassles of a complete upgrade unless you are starting over from scratch.
Where is the accountability? How many people have been fired? If one of my family is killed or injured because of the lack of coverage can I then sue the fuckwads who with $13B couldn't get a replacement up in time?
Notice what is missing - fired. Made redundant. How much do you want to bet those 'restructured' and 'streamlined' are still on the payrolls?
Really? All along? Like for the past four years? Why do you STILL have a job if it has taken you four years to get to this point? Oh wait.. the administration was just SOOOOOO concerned about weather that (from netgov.com)
The bottom line is that there is a) no responsibility in government and b) agencies will always ask for more money.
And I hope everyone who thinks it would be a great idea to go back to monopoly utilities (as the original post suggests) remembers this - assuming they were not in diapers at the time. ATT raped people in any way it could -which was just about any way imaginable. If there is collusion or other nefarious acts by these companies then they should be prosecuted and any fines returned to the consumer (and not the general revenue fund). Returning to a utility company model just gives us the worst of all worlds.
Yeah.. just like all those mommas for the the past.. 50,000 years? (more?) have gonna crazy because they didn't have a phone/tablet for the baby to play with. Get a grip.
though in some respects it makes me want to get a permit as my neighborhood appears undefended. Hmm.. maybe thats the point of it? Left out of all of this is that NY does not require permits for shotguns or rifles.
I also have win7 on a laptop and no, I don't find 8 (so far) to be a 'fucking nightmare' compared to 7. In fact, it seems faster on the desktop (using a cpu that is marginally inferior to the one on laptop). While I won't be a heavy user of the metro stuff, I'm fine with it being there and don't see the big issue with it, even with a mouse. The only downside I've really seen is the horizontal page breaking. But the whole mouse vs touch thing? Perhaps I am 'exceptional' (ha!) but it didn't take too much to figure out what to do to make it work. Again, I reserve the right to change my mind with heavier use of both the desktop and metro but nothing so far has me wanting to rip it off and install XP or 7 again. And just a small beef with discussions on this type of subject - what is really being debated is KDE vs Gnome vs (insert other wm/dte) and not the OS itself - which is different than the gui interface.
If they did their time and have been released (and are off whatever probation that was given to reduce the sentence) then they should have equal access just like everyone else. Shit like this only morphs into wider reaching 'protections' for society. Got a couple speeding tickets? Well no more Need for Speed for you! Prosecute when laws are broken, not before and not after a sentence has been served.