The problem wasn't "Oh you found a bug, let's put it in the list and it'll get on the list." The problem was "oh you're having problems. You'll need premium support to go on. That's extra. Premium Support: Oh that is a bug. We're not fixing it."
1) MS wouldn't know about all the ransomware out there especially if the ransomware authors are trying to hide it. 2) MS in my experience is terrible at fixing things.
MS can't possibly know all the ransomware out there, however, I think MS does a terrible job at fixing anything. I had a friend who bought a MS product but in working with it he found a bug. He calls MS support. They research it but they say with his level of support, they can't go any further without premium support. So he pays for premium support. Premium support confirms that it is a bug. He asks when a fix is possible. They say they are not going to fix it. He asks why the heck did his premium support money do? For the privilege of telling him that it was a bug apparently.
Why would Oliver need to apologize for anything? The AC OP claimed it was Oliver and Maddow that influenced the shooter; however, considering that there has been no information released from the investigation and the shooter is dead; the AC can't possibly claim that at this point.
Why is it sad? I'm glad he's producing some of the best journalism on television. Traditional news broadcasts, like traditional newspaper and traditional reporting, is dying and in order to keep the advertisers on board, the news itself is going for ratings instead of content.
I'm not said for him. I'm sad that this is what journalists should be doing.
Again, she said her cost was $8,000 in an interview with Al-Jazeera. Please tell me how Oliver lied.
Trump didn't lie when he said his inaugration had more people than Obama's, because someone else told him that and he just repeated it.
First of all it was Sean Spicer and not Trump. Please be accurate. Second, the media said that fewer people attended the inauguration compared to Obama to which Spicer said it was the "largest audience" ever. The photos say otherwise. I would say Spicer lied because Spicer said it. CNN, Fox, MSNBC didn't lie by repeating what Spicer said.
Now justify your stance while claiming Trump lied. You are probably so stupid, like others here on/., that you can't even realize that you are making a similar statement.
I didn't make the claim about Trump. You did. Therefore you lied.
Oliver knew it was false when he aired it, YOU posted a link pretty much proving it was a false statement, and here you are claiming its true. You are a complete imbicle.
You have yet to demonstrate that it was false. Apparently you didn't read the link because it didn't prove it was a false statement. If you are the same AC, you're just desperate. As for statements, you have yet to show how Oliver lied. You have yet to show what statements of Murray were true (and how do you know what Murray told Oliver). BTW, you claimed that Oliver influenced the baseball shooter yet nothing has shown any link to anyone much less Oliver or Maddow. Nothing has been released in the investigation of James Hodgkinson. So how do you know?
The point is that in the AC's example Oliver isn't saying what her cost was. She is saying what her cost was. So it's not his credibility that should be the issue. Do you believe her is the question.
Whatever the cost of her procedure, the point I was making is that Oliver wasn't lying when he played a clip of her interview where she said would cost her $8,000. Could she gotten better pricing? Possibly. I don't know her full details but that doesn't negate that's what she said her cost was.
You are really falling all over yourself to try and defend Oliver. Do you work on his show?
First of all you have to actually answer my question: How did Oliver lie? Which you have yet to do so. He played a clip of an interview of what someone said. He didn't conduct the interview. He didn't make up her words. That is not lying. If that is your standard of lying, then every single news organization lied when they showed the Clinton press conference when he denied his affair with Lewinsky.
Why do you hate Oliver so much is a question I'd like to know?
I said the AVERAGE is under $1000, you find a link and say it goes up to $3000 (in some areas), which last I looked was still below HALF of $8000. So you basically did research, found out I was mostly correct (and possibly completely correct) and posted the link to back me up and destroy your own argument.
You have yet to link your research but I quoted a site that deals with finding people affordable colonoscopies. All I have is your word which I do not believe. Second, I didn't say "up to $3,000". The exact quote is "Colonoscopies can be priced above the $3,000 mark . .. Please read again.
You have lost your mind. You are just another DNC shill that has no interest in the truth or helping people destroyed by the government. Lie, lie, lie, and hope no one calls you on it or is too afraid you might call them names.
Pointing out your flawed arguments does not make me a member of the DNC. I'm a registered Republican if you must know. Of the two of us, you seem to call people names like "liar" without proof. So please talk to a kettle.
Obamacare covered people who couldn't afford insurance. People were supposed to have insurance or incur EVEN MORE costs to themselves. Or are you trying to convince me it was a complete failure in what it attempted to do?
Medicaid gap: "In the United States, the Medicaid coverage gap refers to the group of uninsured people (in states that have opted out of the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) who are both ineligible for Medicaid under its previous rules, which still apply in these states, and too poor to qualify for the ACA's subsidies and credits that were designed to allow middle-class Americans to purchase health insurance"
Her state, Texas, opted out of the Medicaid expansion so Owen fell into the gap which was the point of the story.
As you said, they implied she had no insurance. I believed that when watching, but suspected something wrong with the bit. I looked up cost of colposcopy and on AVERAGE it is $800 without insurance.
Where did you get your research because my research says it depends on where you live but $8,000 is high but not as low as $800.
"There are resources available to you if you are uninsured, such as ColonoscopyAssist. Colonoscopies can be priced above the $3,000 mark in many areas of the country, but programs like ColonoscopyAssist can help reduce your cost to just over $1,000."
The $8000 is what the average deductible for a Bronze plan is. She was probably told she had to spend $8000 before insurance would pay anything, and decided to lie herself or she was confused. (I don't blame her and assumed she was just confused about it all).
The point is she claims it was $8,000. Oliver did not make up the number or her words. She needed $8,000 which if included her deductible might be correct in that's the amount of money she needed for a colonoscopy.
Simple point is he lied to explain why more people needed Obamacare. I did my own research to find out the truth because it sounded fishy to me.
Again how did HE lie? He played a clip of an interview. If everything you said is correct (and it isn't), Owens lied
And if the only example he could find was an interview from Al-Jazeera, that should REALLY make you question things.
So you ignored the interview with Lashombee Hoard from Mississippi Health Advocacy Program as well as clips from MSNBC, NBC, Fox , CNN, etc. How many interviews would have been enough for you that Oliver needed to put in his 14 minute interview talking very deep about a complex subject.
From the many segments I've seen, most of his pieces are well-researched. It is sad to think that his comedy show is producing some of the best journalism these days winning a Peabody award in 2014.
I don't know what that lady was quoted for her colonoscopy but when I just googled for the price I got results saying anywhere from under $1,000 to over $5,400. Also I don't know what her deductible was but $8,000 doesn't sound unbelievable either before or after Obamacare. I know I had "good" insurance before Obamacare and the deductible was $3,000 or more. I passed on the plan that would have left me with a $10,000 deductible.
According to the segment (around 2:15) the AC refers, Cathie Owen was in the Medicaid Gap where she didn't was not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid but she couldn't afford health insurance on her own. While it isn't stated she has no insurance, it certainly implies that she did not. She also had a family history of colon cancer so most likely that was one reason she couldn't afford insurance as pre-existing conditions left her without affordable insurance. Without insurance, costs are insanely high for anything.
No, the AC seems to leave important details about his allegations of "lies" like the fact that the $8,000 is what the woman claims will cost her according to an interview she did with Al-Jazeera America. In other words, Last Week Tonight didn't make up the figure as he insinuates.
John Oliver frequently lies on his program, I've seen him do it MANY times. The most obvious one was his Obamacare episode. He had a woman who couldn't afford a colonoscopy because it coast $8,000. They are under $1,000, the $8,000 was her Obamacare deductible and because of that her insurance wasn't going to cover anything for the procedure. Deductibles were not that high before Obamacare. He intentionally misled the public on one of the worst parts of Obamacare to make it look like the reason it was needed.
Did actually watch the segment? First of all, the woman does not health insurance so she has to pay the full amount of whatever she is going to be charged. One of the benefits of having health insurance is that the insurance company negotiated rates for you already. Some costs without insurance are ridiculous. Second, $8,000 is what the woman was quoted to her. She said that's her cost in an interview reported by Al Jazeera. How did Oliver lie? Or are you being disingenuous?
I watched a few minutes this week to see if he would do some apology for the shooting of the Congressman. The shooter was a big fan of Oliver and revved up because of Oliver and Maddow. I didn't expect him to take blame, but some kind of statement that it was unacceptable would have been good to start off with. 5 minutes in and I didn't see anything like that.
So you fault Oliver for not covering the one topic you wanted him to cover in his hour weekly show in which he has to go over an entire week's worth of news in 5 minutes?
Oliver is shit. This Murray guy has facts Oliver was GIVEN before his program and failed to list. He INTENTIONALLY misled people watching his program at least in part. Not sure how courts rule on facts left out when it would make the target less "guilty".
Please state what facts that Murray gave Oliver. Second how do you know what Murray gave Oliver unless you work for Murray or you work for Oliver. If you don't work for Oliver, aren't you a shill?
Published or otherwise broadcast an unprivileged, false statement of fact about the plaintiff
Caused material harm to the plaintiff by publishing or broadcasting said false statement of fact
Acted either negligently or with actual malice
The second part is that harm has to be the result of the false statement. If you ever watch People's Court and some of the ridiculous lawsuits that appear: Judge Milan has to ask many plaintiffs about the harm that was caused. So many plaintiffs seem to sue and not have any real damages other than "She/he said things about me on Facebook."
Then there's the actual malice standard. Oliver's segments seem to be well-researched so it's unlikely that they were negligent in their reporting. Poking fun at someone for a comedy bit has not persuaded many courts to award damages.
"I can't update X because of your crappy third party software that doesn't work right" to temporarily disable it, so they could apply the updates and then re-enable it or their product afterwards.
How "outdated" was the AV software? Are we talking weeks or months or years out of date? Kapersky Labs complains that AV vendors have little time to update their software before that version of Windows. Also they complain that the AV software isn't "disabled" but uninstalled with Windows installing Defender over it. I would have issue with MS uninstalling any 3rd party software I installed on my machine.
The primary reason those cheap Chinese DVD players left out the region locking was to cater to the international market, where people who were unfortunate enough to live in Regions 2, 3, or 4 not only often had to wait months or years for a movie to get a non-R1 release, but when they did finally get a DVD release in their region, the "international" version would be missing half the special features and cost twice the price as the R1 version.
That doesn't explain why the DVD players were sold in Region 1. And only Region 1.
From the manufacturer's point of view, the warranty period IS the lifetime of the device. Any information they can collect and sell past that is just gravy.
Again, that relies on the Internet functions of the device to work properly for an extended period of time to recoup the cost. Considering that toaster manufacturers barely care that the toasting function works for any amount of time, I can't see them designing a reliable internet connection beyond the toasting function.
The government will require all toasters feature "EnergyStar" efficiency ratings. The payoff to the manufacturer for the additional cost is the data mining functionality.
Yes but that does not mean the toaster will be built with enough quality to last long enough to collect data. Also it means that toaster manufacturers will have to invest in IoT designs and engineering. At this point, the designs of toasters are over 50 years old: adding in reliable Internet is fundamental change to the design.
The cheapest toaster you can get is under $10. If you need money so badly that $10 is too much for you, you have other problems than getting a free toaster.
They will want it if the inclusion of the 2 cent sensor lets them collect a buck fifty of saleable data over the life of the device.
Again that would require that the Internet feature functions properly over the lifetime of the device. Given the quality of most low cost devices (toasters, etc), I don't see that as a selling point to manufacturers. They only care that their products make it past warranty periods.
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The problem wasn't "Oh you found a bug, let's put it in the list and it'll get on the list." The problem was "oh you're having problems. You'll need premium support to go on. That's extra. Premium Support: Oh that is a bug. We're not fixing it."
1) MS wouldn't know about all the ransomware out there especially if the ransomware authors are trying to hide it. 2) MS in my experience is terrible at fixing things.
MS can't possibly know all the ransomware out there, however, I think MS does a terrible job at fixing anything. I had a friend who bought a MS product but in working with it he found a bug. He calls MS support. They research it but they say with his level of support, they can't go any further without premium support. So he pays for premium support. Premium support confirms that it is a bug. He asks when a fix is possible. They say they are not going to fix it. He asks why the heck did his premium support money do? For the privilege of telling him that it was a bug apparently.
Why would Oliver need to apologize for anything? The AC OP claimed it was Oliver and Maddow that influenced the shooter; however, considering that there has been no information released from the investigation and the shooter is dead; the AC can't possibly claim that at this point.
Why is it sad? I'm glad he's producing some of the best journalism on television. Traditional news broadcasts, like traditional newspaper and traditional reporting, is dying and in order to keep the advertisers on board, the news itself is going for ratings instead of content.
I'm not said for him. I'm sad that this is what journalists should be doing.
So you're saying that a person claiming someone else lied might be lying. Ironic.
You are an imbicle. Let me illustrate why...
Again, she said her cost was $8,000 in an interview with Al-Jazeera. Please tell me how Oliver lied.
Trump didn't lie when he said his inaugration had more people than Obama's, because someone else told him that and he just repeated it.
First of all it was Sean Spicer and not Trump. Please be accurate. Second, the media said that fewer people attended the inauguration compared to Obama to which Spicer said it was the "largest audience" ever. The photos say otherwise. I would say Spicer lied because Spicer said it. CNN, Fox, MSNBC didn't lie by repeating what Spicer said.
Now justify your stance while claiming Trump lied. You are probably so stupid, like others here on /., that you can't even realize that you are making a similar statement.
I didn't make the claim about Trump. You did. Therefore you lied.
Oliver knew it was false when he aired it, YOU posted a link pretty much proving it was a false statement, and here you are claiming its true. You are a complete imbicle.
You have yet to demonstrate that it was false. Apparently you didn't read the link because it didn't prove it was a false statement. If you are the same AC, you're just desperate. As for statements, you have yet to show how Oliver lied. You have yet to show what statements of Murray were true (and how do you know what Murray told Oliver). BTW, you claimed that Oliver influenced the baseball shooter yet nothing has shown any link to anyone much less Oliver or Maddow. Nothing has been released in the investigation of James Hodgkinson. So how do you know?
The point is that in the AC's example Oliver isn't saying what her cost was. She is saying what her cost was. So it's not his credibility that should be the issue. Do you believe her is the question.
Whatever the cost of her procedure, the point I was making is that Oliver wasn't lying when he played a clip of her interview where she said would cost her $8,000. Could she gotten better pricing? Possibly. I don't know her full details but that doesn't negate that's what she said her cost was.
You are really falling all over yourself to try and defend Oliver. Do you work on his show?
First of all you have to actually answer my question: How did Oliver lie? Which you have yet to do so. He played a clip of an interview of what someone said. He didn't conduct the interview. He didn't make up her words. That is not lying. If that is your standard of lying, then every single news organization lied when they showed the Clinton press conference when he denied his affair with Lewinsky.
Why do you hate Oliver so much is a question I'd like to know?
I said the AVERAGE is under $1000, you find a link and say it goes up to $3000 (in some areas), which last I looked was still below HALF of $8000. So you basically did research, found out I was mostly correct (and possibly completely correct) and posted the link to back me up and destroy your own argument.
You have yet to link your research but I quoted a site that deals with finding people affordable colonoscopies. All I have is your word which I do not believe. Second, I didn't say "up to $3,000". The exact quote is "Colonoscopies can be priced above the $3,000 mark . . . Please read again.
You have lost your mind. You are just another DNC shill that has no interest in the truth or helping people destroyed by the government. Lie, lie, lie, and hope no one calls you on it or is too afraid you might call them names.
Pointing out your flawed arguments does not make me a member of the DNC. I'm a registered Republican if you must know. Of the two of us, you seem to call people names like "liar" without proof. So please talk to a kettle.
Obamacare covered people who couldn't afford insurance. People were supposed to have insurance or incur EVEN MORE costs to themselves. Or are you trying to convince me it was a complete failure in what it attempted to do?
Medicaid gap: "In the United States, the Medicaid coverage gap refers to the group of uninsured people (in states that have opted out of the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) who are both ineligible for Medicaid under its previous rules, which still apply in these states, and too poor to qualify for the ACA's subsidies and credits that were designed to allow middle-class Americans to purchase health insurance"
Her state, Texas, opted out of the Medicaid expansion so Owen fell into the gap which was the point of the story.
As you said, they implied she had no insurance. I believed that when watching, but suspected something wrong with the bit. I looked up cost of colposcopy and on AVERAGE it is $800 without insurance.
Where did you get your research because my research says it depends on where you live but $8,000 is high but not as low as $800.
"There are resources available to you if you are uninsured, such as ColonoscopyAssist. Colonoscopies can be priced above the $3,000 mark in many areas of the country, but programs like ColonoscopyAssist can help reduce your cost to just over $1,000."
The $8000 is what the average deductible for a Bronze plan is. She was probably told she had to spend $8000 before insurance would pay anything, and decided to lie herself or she was confused. (I don't blame her and assumed she was just confused about it all).
The point is she claims it was $8,000. Oliver did not make up the number or her words. She needed $8,000 which if included her deductible might be correct in that's the amount of money she needed for a colonoscopy.
Simple point is he lied to explain why more people needed Obamacare. I did my own research to find out the truth because it sounded fishy to me.
Again how did HE lie? He played a clip of an interview. If everything you said is correct (and it isn't), Owens lied
And if the only example he could find was an interview from Al-Jazeera, that should REALLY make you question things.
So you ignored the interview with Lashombee Hoard from Mississippi Health Advocacy Program as well as clips from MSNBC, NBC, Fox , CNN, etc. How many interviews would have been enough for you that Oliver needed to put in his 14 minute interview talking very deep about a complex subject.
From the many segments I've seen, most of his pieces are well-researched. It is sad to think that his comedy show is producing some of the best journalism these days winning a Peabody award in 2014.
I don't know what that lady was quoted for her colonoscopy but when I just googled for the price I got results saying anywhere from under $1,000 to over $5,400. Also I don't know what her deductible was but $8,000 doesn't sound unbelievable either before or after Obamacare. I know I had "good" insurance before Obamacare and the deductible was $3,000 or more. I passed on the plan that would have left me with a $10,000 deductible.
According to the segment (around 2:15) the AC refers, Cathie Owen was in the Medicaid Gap where she didn't was not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid but she couldn't afford health insurance on her own. While it isn't stated she has no insurance, it certainly implies that she did not. She also had a family history of colon cancer so most likely that was one reason she couldn't afford insurance as pre-existing conditions left her without affordable insurance. Without insurance, costs are insanely high for anything.
No, the AC seems to leave important details about his allegations of "lies" like the fact that the $8,000 is what the woman claims will cost her according to an interview she did with Al-Jazeera America. In other words, Last Week Tonight didn't make up the figure as he insinuates.
John Oliver frequently lies on his program, I've seen him do it MANY times. The most obvious one was his Obamacare episode. He had a woman who couldn't afford a colonoscopy because it coast $8,000. They are under $1,000, the $8,000 was her Obamacare deductible and because of that her insurance wasn't going to cover anything for the procedure. Deductibles were not that high before Obamacare. He intentionally misled the public on one of the worst parts of Obamacare to make it look like the reason it was needed.
Did actually watch the segment? First of all, the woman does not health insurance so she has to pay the full amount of whatever she is going to be charged. One of the benefits of having health insurance is that the insurance company negotiated rates for you already. Some costs without insurance are ridiculous. Second, $8,000 is what the woman was quoted to her. She said that's her cost in an interview reported by Al Jazeera. How did Oliver lie? Or are you being disingenuous?
I watched a few minutes this week to see if he would do some apology for the shooting of the Congressman. The shooter was a big fan of Oliver and revved up because of Oliver and Maddow. I didn't expect him to take blame, but some kind of statement that it was unacceptable would have been good to start off with. 5 minutes in and I didn't see anything like that.
So you fault Oliver for not covering the one topic you wanted him to cover in his hour weekly show in which he has to go over an entire week's worth of news in 5 minutes?
Oliver is shit. This Murray guy has facts Oliver was GIVEN before his program and failed to list. He INTENTIONALLY misled people watching his program at least in part. Not sure how courts rule on facts left out when it would make the target less "guilty".
Please state what facts that Murray gave Oliver. Second how do you know what Murray gave Oliver unless you work for Murray or you work for Oliver. If you don't work for Oliver, aren't you a shill?
The second part is that harm has to be the result of the false statement. If you ever watch People's Court and some of the ridiculous lawsuits that appear: Judge Milan has to ask many plaintiffs about the harm that was caused. So many plaintiffs seem to sue and not have any real damages other than "She/he said things about me on Facebook."
Then there's the actual malice standard. Oliver's segments seem to be well-researched so it's unlikely that they were negligent in their reporting. Poking fun at someone for a comedy bit has not persuaded many courts to award damages.
"I can't update X because of your crappy third party software that doesn't work right" to temporarily disable it, so they could apply the updates and then re-enable it or their product afterwards.
Um, no. That 3rd party software worked perfectly fine with a previous version of Windows. It isn't compatible with newer version. Also one complaint with Kapersky Labs is that it didn't disable and re-enable. It uninstalled it then installed Windows Defender. "One of the key complaints is that Windows 10 uninstalls Kaspersky antivirus without the consent of users and enables the built-in Windows Defender."
How "outdated" was the AV software? Are we talking weeks or months or years out of date? Kapersky Labs complains that AV vendors have little time to update their software before that version of Windows. Also they complain that the AV software isn't "disabled" but uninstalled with Windows installing Defender over it. I would have issue with MS uninstalling any 3rd party software I installed on my machine.
And what data would my toaster be sending besides toast? And how much would the cost of the toaster rise for every new function that is included?
The primary reason those cheap Chinese DVD players left out the region locking was to cater to the international market, where people who were unfortunate enough to live in Regions 2, 3, or 4 not only often had to wait months or years for a movie to get a non-R1 release, but when they did finally get a DVD release in their region, the "international" version would be missing half the special features and cost twice the price as the R1 version.
That doesn't explain why the DVD players were sold in Region 1. And only Region 1.
From the manufacturer's point of view, the warranty period IS the lifetime of the device. Any information they can collect and sell past that is just gravy.
Again, that relies on the Internet functions of the device to work properly for an extended period of time to recoup the cost. Considering that toaster manufacturers barely care that the toasting function works for any amount of time, I can't see them designing a reliable internet connection beyond the toasting function.
The government will require all toasters feature "EnergyStar" efficiency ratings. The payoff to the manufacturer for the additional cost is the data mining functionality.
Yes but that does not mean the toaster will be built with enough quality to last long enough to collect data. Also it means that toaster manufacturers will have to invest in IoT designs and engineering. At this point, the designs of toasters are over 50 years old: adding in reliable Internet is fundamental change to the design.
The cheapest toaster you can get is under $10. If you need money so badly that $10 is too much for you, you have other problems than getting a free toaster.
Suing a comedian is a sure way to undermine any credibility (not that Murray has any).
They will want it if the inclusion of the 2 cent sensor lets them collect a buck fifty of saleable data over the life of the device.
Again that would require that the Internet feature functions properly over the lifetime of the device. Given the quality of most low cost devices (toasters, etc), I don't see that as a selling point to manufacturers. They only care that their products make it past warranty periods.