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Microsoft Admits Disabling Anti-Virus Software For Windows 10 Users (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: Microsoft has admitted that it does temporarily disable anti-virus software on Windows PCs, following an competition complaint to the European Commission by a security company. In early June, Kaspersky Lab filed the complaint against Microsoft. The security company claims the software giant is abusing its market dominance by steering users to its own anti-virus software. Microsoft says it implemented defenses to keep Windows 10 users secure. In an extensive blog post that does not directly address Kaspersky or its claims, Microsoft says it bundles the Windows Defender Antivirus with Windows 10 to ensure that every single device is protected from viruses and malware. To combat the 300,000 new malware samples being created and spread every day, Microsoft says that it works together with external anti-virus partners. The technology giant estimates that about 95% of Windows 10 PCs were using anti-virus software that was already compatible with the latest Windows 10 Creators Update. For the applications that were not compatible, Microsoft built a feature that lets users update their PCs and then reinstall a new version of the anti-virus software. "To do this, we first temporarily disabled some parts of the AV software when the update began. We did this work in partnership with the AV partner to specify which versions of their software are compatible and where to direct customers after updating," writes Rob Lefferts, a partner director of the Windows and Devices group in enterprise and security at Microsoft.
samples? as in.. the same stuff again?
no wonder stuff keeps getting slower. imagine that every one of those takes only 4 bytes. that's 438 megabytes per year.
or is that 300 000 new builds of software from sw developers... any software.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
So, apparently Microsoft is the only one who has actually figured out how to disable McAfee. They should patent that.
I wonder if someone could get an injunction against Microsoft if they produced a Windows version that wasn't a super fertile viral ecosystem to begin with. The court order would force them to put exploits back into the code so that nobody would be put out of work.
I doubt Microsoft could actually do that but it would be interesting if they did.
a few AV programs. We have 31 programs we consider mission critical. All of them worked under XP, and the upgrade to 10 from 7 disabled nine of them. Microsoft stopped caring about backwards compatibility a long time ago.
Sense make you no. They worked under XP, but you upgraded from 7 to 10. Maybe they failed on 7? 31 critical programs and you didn't test a single one before upgrading? Who let Reddit users in here?
Netscape
Real Networks
Kaspersky
What other ones did I leave out...
Most AV software is junk and causes more problems than it creates.
Since windows 10 MS has switched to a release schedule where they pretty much re-install a new OS every 6 months.
I don't trust shitty AV software that digs it's tendrils in to low level system software. I especially don't trust it to get it when windows changes every 6 months.
Now, imagine how things get worse when a user might have an expired AV suite installed that has not been updated in over a year. Microsoft is likely doing end-users a service by identifying and disabling software that will cause problems.Rather, according to the summary, it sounds like MS is bending over backwards for AV vendors and giving them a facility to adapt to the windows 10 release schedule.
The upgrade doesn't just disable those programs. It deletes them!
Upgrading to 10 was a disaster for us since we had to find alternatives for programs we had used for many years.
How did they "disable" your 31 mission critical programs? Was it that you are using 31 programs written by people not qualified to write "bobby's first program" and now that Microsoft is enforcing applications follow guidelines (many of which that have always been there) you're finding that your shitty programmers are shitty programmers?
Funny to see you use the word disable when they just damn deleted them.
XP was great at backwards compatibility. Everything since...
Disable? Don't you mean delete? Microsoft deleted most of my games when I upgraded to 10.
soooo you claim these apps are mission critical yet they are written pre XP days and you haven't bothered to test or build new versions of them and it is MICROSOFT's fault for not supporting your 15+ year old shit.
Just how necessary is a anti-virus of any description? If Windows could make their OS as hardened as OSX or just about any flavor of Linux none of these anti-virus companies would survive anyways. What are they going to moan about then? "Your product is too secure, we are losing business?!"
Of course you run one AV software at a time and you disable the other one. That is PC use 101. What's the problem?
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The upgrade deletes a lot of programs that still work after the upgrade so this is just malicious on Microsoft's part.
I have a fifteen year old refrigerator that still works, as well as a twenty year old oven, a nine year old smart phone, an eleven year old TV, lamps that are more than thirty years old, a lawnmower that is going on twenty years old, and lots of other "shit" that is fifteen years or older that still works. Why should anyone discard functional things just because of Microsoft's say so?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
MS certainly does care about compatibility, it's why the x86 version of Windows is still produced. (You can still run 36-year-old programs just by double-clicking them on 32-bit Windows - and, of course, it still runs legacy 16-bit Windows programs too).
Your mistake was doing an in-place upgrade to Windows 10. You should have done a fresh install, then reinstalled your 31 mission critical programs thereafter.
(Disclaimer: I work in a school and have had to get all sorts of legacy stuff working under Windows 10. The only thing that wouldn't work whatsoever was an old ID badge printer which used an obscure way of interacting with its Windows 2000-era driver. The rest of the stuff, including such delights as old laser cutters connected by serial ports, works just fine. Yes, you may have to fiddle with settings and even the registry in some cases, but the vast majority of stuff out there can be made to work with little or no effort.)
Or for a non-inflammatory title: Microsoft Disables Faulty AV Software so Win10 Uses Can Safely Update To Latest OS
AV software is some of the worst crap to get foisted on Windows installations. I wish MS would just disallow it outright. But as the Kaspersky suit shows, AV vendors aren't going to let go of that teet if they find any way to avoid being forced to do so.
Seriously, Fuck them. It is a dick move on their part, I'll tell you why. When Netscape complained in the 90s, it is clear monopoly move by M$ (I can live without a browser in the 90s). But a Windows machine connected to internet without any antivirus to protect the user is a disaster waiting to happen. Ka$per$ky can make money if they showed their product is superior to M$ one, but they will have to do it without putting all the users at risk.
That's funny since I don't have any issues with my Windows machine connecting to the internet and I don't run any antivirus software.
Oh, wait you were alluding to Microsoft Windows, sorry I don't run that.
You can still run 36-year-old programs just by double-clicking them on 32-bit Windows - and, of course, it still runs legacy 16-bit Windows programs too
Except that no one sane runs 32-bit Windows anymore (except expressly for compat purposes).
These days it's more likely an arbitrary Windows program runs on Wine than on the newest real thing.
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If you take your refrigerator from the USA to Europe (or visa versa) you'll find the plug won't fit the electrical socket. Just because the fridge is fine doesn't mean it will work in the new environment.
Microsoft does extensive testing of apps and provides shims to make sure as many legacy apps as possible work on the new OS. If your apps were developed in-house and never distributed of course Microsoft is unable to guarantee compatibility with future OS versions as they have no way of knowing what your app is like or how it was coded. It's entirely your company's responsibility.
More accurate: Microsoft admits disabling outdated incompatible AV software that was not updated in a timely manner by their vendors to support the newest version of Windows before their users upgraded. Microsoft also ensured these users would remain protected by enabling the built-in AV protection since the users were not guaranteed to have any other compatible AV software installed.
Upgrading to 10 was a disaster for us since we had to find alternatives for programs we had used for many years.
You kids. Try upgrading from Netware 3.11 to Netware 4.0, only 2 years later. You couldn't even have the versions co-exist on the same LAN at first!
You've used the same programs for "many years" and bitch about having to find a version that actually stays current after all that time?
Grammer Nazis - I mod you "troll" unless you actually add something on-topic. Yes, I know I have mispellings in my sig.
Yeah nice apples to oranges comparison...far out dude.
Surely even anyone here who is incapable of switching out a plug is at least capable of using an adapter?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Quit flaunting your copy of Windurz. I've been lookin for that bootleg forever.
No, but if I take my fridge and move to new home in town, there should be no expectation that I can't still use it if it's perfectly functional. The home builder certainly wouldn't design the home to force me to change it.
I certainly wouldn't expect to use my fridge between US and Europe, just like I wouldn't expect an application to work switching between Linux, Windows, or OSX, but between updates homes in the same environment?
Because computers progress more than fireplaces?
I'd like to see the result of a 110V fridge being plugged into a 230V socket. In reality it'd probably be a lot less impressive than I imagined.
Of course sane won't work on all 32-bit windows, its a Linux software.
XP was great at backwards compatibility./p>
And that is why it was exploited so easily.
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I certainly wouldn't expect to use my fridge between US and Europe
Actually you'll find with a lot of modern stuff it is dual voltage. You may have to flip a switch but it'll work. Most laptop chargers, USB chargers etc don't even need that, "they just work" whether you plug them into 110V or 240V or anywhere inbetween. That's the joy of modern switch mode power supplies over legacy linear ones.
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Microsoft stopped caring about backwards compatibility a long time ago.
Good. Microsoft's focus on backwards compatibility for the past 20 years slowed the entire industry down and is responsible for a lot of bloat (no not useless applications that come pre-installed with windows, but behind the scene cruft).
Stuff your 9 applications, stuff you writing them in a way that wasn't portable or maintainable, and may your company fail due to your lack of understanding of what "mission critical" actually means.
Side note: We have mission critical applications too, they get tested on Windows Insider builds so we know well before release date if anything will break ... not that we have any running on Windows 10 yet, but we are most definitely prepared.
Surely even anyone here who is incapable of switching out a plug is at least capable of using an adapter?
*facepalm*
I have a fifteen year old refrigerator that still works, as well as a twenty year old oven, a nine year old smart phone, an eleven year old TV, lamps that are more than thirty years old, a lawnmower that is going on twenty years old, and lots of other "shit" that is fifteen years or older that still works. Why should anyone discard functional things just because of Microsoft's say so?
Why are you comparing a stationary appliance without external interface to a computer program? If that's your comparison then it's worth pointing out that Windows XP still works. It didn't magically vapourise with the release of Windows Vista, 7, 8, or 10.
Now if on the other hand you have a security issue with the fact that your Windows XP machine is network based, or you have a major obsolescence issue that could take out the machine at any time, can you really say it still "just works"? If the camera on your 9 year old smartphone breaks does it still just work? What if that camera was actually "mission critical"? Do you wait until the day that it breaks to find out if you have an alternative?
Microsoft hasn't told anyone to discard anything. That is left up to people themselves. Speaking of I *had* a 15 year old fridge. I threw it away fully working for a new one that has more space and uses less than 1/4 of the electricity. Just because something still works is in itself not a reason to keep it.
AC motors are kind of the canonical example of something that won't work at a different voltage level. Especially hair dryers.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You should now do what MS wanted and go and buy them again from Windows Store.
That invalidates what he said because...
and XP still works perfectly fine as does the apps the OP is whining about. Try plugging your fridge into a power socket from a country with different voltages, try making your TV work with HDMI 2.0, try getting that smart phone to run on 4G. Microsoft isn't telling him his old shit can't run, they are saying they aren't going to make an effort to make sure new stuff supports your ancient shit, and really why should they if the OP obviously isn't even going to make a basic effort.
What do you mean by "delete"? I've seen a lot of things happen during system upgrades, but deletion of select programs has never been one of them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
>It works fine for me.
Sheet man. Don't you disable dis nighah's protection or I'll pop a cap in your ass
As they should. XP is ancient.
He means "delete" in the sense that the icon isnt on his desktop or findable under the start menu any more, and because you is completely ignorant to him that means its gone.
"His name was James Damore."
Microsoft explicitly states you shouldn't use Windows on mission critical systems.
For the 7 - 10 upgrade, it actively uninstalls programs if it's unsure about compatibility. In my case it was quite a long list including games, text editors, and other software.
It does give you a list of them afterwards though, so I guess that's nice.
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Go ahead, update your lawn mower’s OS. Oh that’s right, your analogies are pure shit, just like you.
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Uhm... hair dryers generally use brushed universal motors, not AC motors.
An "in-place reinstallation" IS what Windows 10 does when it updates anyway, since Microsoft broke the incremental update model. 2 GB of download and a complete reinstallation, along with a very poor user profile copy that loses any power-user customizations that you might have done. No wonder the update messes with stuff.
Mission critical programs that your company hadn't updated in well over a decade? XP came out in 2001 (it could graduate from HS next year), Win 7 came out in 2009, it's now 2017, Computer hardware changes, "Critical" applications need to change as well. Microsoft had tried the eternally backwards compatible mode, but that required well known exploits to be left wide open.
No more, Microsoft has transitioned to the continual update mode seen in most modern apps, and they decided to get serious about securing the OS. That required killing off legacy functions and their associated legacy vulnerabilities by forcing users to update.
Since moving to WIN 10 I've found Windows defender a fully capable, far less obtrusive Anti-virus system. It doesn't cost me any extra and going with the free version does not subject me to constant app spam as the other AV Vendors do.
So whining about critical apps that are designed for an OS old enough to be driving and about to graduate from HS, indicates those apps weren't so critical that money would be spent to update them in a timely manner.
Because computer hardware changes. That 15 year old Fridge uses a lot more electricity than a newer model will. It uses banned refrigerants and is a hazard to the environment if they are not properly bled off at disposal. That nine year old smart phone is not a smart phone by today's standard. It's an obsolete piece of crap, yes it can still make phone calls but is about to lose a major portion of the networks it can access as the 2g systems are shutting down. That TV has lousy resolution and gobbles far more energy than today's TV's, but yes it still works because other than the change from analogue to digital the basic functions have not changed. Lamps are an electric circuit with a resistor that glows. The technology behind a lamp is well over a century, bulbs have changed but the way a lamp works has not. A lawnmower is similarly a technology that is over a century old. It's a basic four stroke Internal combustion engine.
Citing items based on far simpler technology that does not change every month, with computers is idiotic and you know it. The only example you gave even close to matching is the Smartphone. Nine years old would put it about the age of the Samsung Galaxy. Maybe a Galaxy 2. I have a Galaxy 2 I use as a game device for my kids on rare occasions, but it's storage is so limited that I can only put few games on it as the many apps I used to run on it have expanded and bloated. It was primarily a 3G device that roamed on 2g. Those 2G networks are about to go away like Analogue networks did. So you'll still have coverage in most metro areas but step into the sticks and you will have no signal.
Times change, technology advances. And some times a manufacturer has to cut off older technology.
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Modify one point: the fridge is just new enough to possibly not have Freon. Manufacture was banned in 2010, but existing stores were allowed to be used up, so it might still be using it.
I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
Microsoft's own apps wouldn't run without getting flagged
Plus, those physical items were designed to last longer than 6 months, and if they break or fail to perform to expectation, you can usually hire someone other than the manufacturer to fix them.
At least for now. When will the cloud-based lawn mowers show up?
...has favored 64 bit, leaving the ancient 16 bit programs that ran fine on XP (sensibly) incompatible?
All those things you mention are being used in pretty much the same way they were on the day you bought them. Except the smart phone, which must be little more than a feature phone by today's standards.
Your Windows XP PC is fine if you are only dealing with threats from 2007. Your anti-virus software from 2007 can probably cope with them, and Microsoft has likely patched the vulnerability anyway. But several years ago support for XP ended, so if you want to expose it to new threats via the internet you should probably think about replacing it.
In the UK a 15 year old TV is of limited utility these days, because analogue broadcasts ended. At the minimum you need another box to feed it a signal it can understand. You can't really expect Panasonic to give you a free upgrade because someone decided to turn off analogue TV.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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What games? I had tons of games and random software when I first upgraded, didn't lose a thing.
Would be nice if it gave you a list of incompatible apps before it upgraded. "By the way, your account keeping software will have to be uninstalled, and that CAD package you need to open your files..." Of course being Windows 10 it would probably have installed even if you clicked "No, I need that stuff".
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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Really? what model was the old and the new?
Was it really more space and using 1/4 the electricity?
Hell, we even get army privates to not screw it up. They get issued a transformer when the Army moves them to Germany.
"Microsoft also ensured these users would remain protected"
Who wrote this beauty then?!
Protecting users is not a Microsaft corporate policy requirement.
If it were, Microsoft servers would send Linux as updates (TM).
Well, that and veing shipped w/o a firewall. Oh, and..being Windows.
That's an accurate statement. My brother used to work in commercial laundry installation. "Dual Voltage" washers and dryers only required a change of transformer. The super fancy ones had both transformers built in and you only had to swap the plug to the other one, but most required you to change out the transformers.
You do know that they make adapters right?
In order to understand why Microsoft may have logically chosen to do that for their CUSTOMERS, you would have to understand drivers. All pro-active virus scanning software sits in the driver stack. They intercept operating system calls to try to determine whether you're about to run i_h4x0r3d_j00.exe and prevent that from happening. Microsoft drivers also happen to sit in the same driver stack along with everyone else's. They all sit at a particular "altitude" in that driver stack. Some versions of software that are signed drivers that sit in this stack interfere with other drivers in that stack. Microsoft most likely proactively decided that instead of being like "I can't update X because of your crappy third party software that doesn't work right" to temporarily disable it, so they could apply the updates and then re-enable it or their product afterwards.
Now I realize that doesn't make for as sensational news story as something that implies Microsoft purposefully disabling other competitors software but it's more likely that something like what I said is the case. I hate to disappoint you. Cheers!
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*facepalm* What a dumbass.....
You do realize that this is Microsoft intentionally making the program not work correctly, right? As in the OS won't even try to load it. It will refuse to. There's a big difference between "Hey, this may not work properly. You should find an updated version and install it." and "I'm not doing shit, because I don't want to." In the case of your refrigerator, the owner can get a converter and plug it in between the fridge and the wall outlet and it will work just fine. In the Microsoft case, an adapter can't even be tried because the OS refuses to load it the second you tell it to do so. Worse, because it's AV software, this may leave the end user vulnerable. Even if MS enables Windows Defender the second it disables the user installed AV, now the user is greeted with an unfamiliar prompt from Windows Defender, and doesn't know what to do. Even worse they may think fake antivirus scare/malware is legit in the future because of it.
A better comparison would be the local police standing next to your fridge, guarding the wall outlet to prevent you from plugging in the fridge, with any attempt by you to plug it in being met with the business end of a gun.
Times change, technology advances. And some times a manufacturer has to cut off older technology.
What we did was keep a few computers non-updated so that critical software that wouldn't work on newer OS could be run on them.
Its not always possible to have new software written. Some times the company is out of business, Some times they just won't.
As an example, I had two machines, a Mac and a Windows machine, that I kept un-updated and isolated because of video codec issues. The Mac was kept on OS9 because they wouldn't support it in anything later, and the Windows updates killed the codec. All of this was because of hissyfits between the developer and Apple/Microsoft.
Since a lot of people had used that codec, I had to find a solution. I remade our videos, but can't do that with visitors videos.
So as much as some of us like to make fun of the troglodytes that lose something because they didn't foresee that their software would become obsolete. All we have to do is remember that but for the grace of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, there go we.
Ever have to go into a meeting with the CEO or Director and tell him that you need a million to rewrite software that will allow you to continue doing something you've been doing every day for years? No gain, just do the same old thing. It's easy to sit back and make fun of folks this has happened to. Not so easy to be in their shoes.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Kaspersky Labs is a massive multi-national Russian anti-virus software suite. When it comes to computers running in the United States, it feels genuinely dangerous to be running a Russian-made anti-virus software application (knowing it must be granted the highest privs to run) when the United States is actively and aggressively being hacked by Russians daily. I'll never use Kapersky for that very reason.
It does that even when you do a clean install without wiping the old Windows 7 directory. 10 actively finds and kills anything that is not Microsoft-related once the update/upgrade starts. That's why the process takes so long, Microsoft is scanning and wiping shit from your system without your permission or knowledge. It wiped out my entire windows.old directory excepting anything inside that was Microsoft-related.
As I look at my fridge compressor, oh, look, 85V-247V, 50-60Hz. That covers from Brazil to every EU country.
"AC motors are kind of the canonical example of something that won't work at a different voltage level."
They work just fine. My hair dryer says 110-220V right on the plug, and even has its own built-in GFCI breaker on the plug.
Just a side-point here:
When 'Freon' refrigerants were banned, the replacement refrigerants only worked well at higher pressures. End result: more likely to leak into the environment. More expensive equipment needed to work with.
Also: it's not a coincidence that 'Freon' refrigerants tend to be 'banned' shortly after DuPont's patent runs out on the old refrigerant.
"Update" Windows installs have always been a bad idea. Well, maybe updating to Windows for Workgroups 3.11 wasn't a bad move.
The proper approach has always been to do a full-clear on the hard drive the new Windows will be installed on, or better yet, pull the old drive and install the new Windows on a new larger hard drive. Put the old drive into a $10 external USB enclosure and after you've migrated anything important off, use it as an offline backup drive.
Third party binaries aren't meant to just be used 'in place' on a new Windows environment, even if Microsoft tries to make that possible. That isn't just a Microsoft thing, either. I have a boxed retail copy of the ApplixWare office suite for Linux that I bought in the late 90's. I wouldn't assume it will work on Linux with newer than a 1.2 kernel (though it might, I suppose)
A nine-year-old iPhone bought new and shiny as the latest model would be a 3G, which doesn't care if the 2G networks go away.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Anyone capable of switching out the plug without temporarily disabling the refrigerator is a magician.
Old one? Piece of shit F&P. I have a power logger in my house. The new Samsung is about 33% larger in freezer space, and uses 1/4 of the electricity which can roughly be broken down into 2/3rds of the power when running, half the duty cycle due to far better insulation and seals, and a tiny fraction of the power consumption during de-icing thanks to it not having a heating element in the cooling compartment.
But you don't need to take my word for it. The Energy Star website has crunched the data of the ratings it has given out over the years and provides a calculator for cost of running an old fridge.. Select a fridge from 2000 and a fridge from now and the annual power consumption is rated as half for the modern one in a general case keeping all other options equal.
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Of course this is bad for herd resistance (only one antivirus solution) as all computers have basically the same vulnerabilities as a result.
I'm pretty sure his smart phone has an external interface. But mentioning XP leads to...
Which is one reason why XP machines are often isolated either physical or an attempt is make to sufficiently firewall them. And the latter tends to produce disaster results precisely because Windows "just works" as a malware carrier, regardless of the version. Hence the constant "need" to update any networked version of Windows.
If the cameras was actually "mission critical", then yes you'd look for alternatives. But for most people, it's only as "mission critical" as being upset that it'll take a few days to get a replacement up and running. Silently breaking AV might hasten that failure in the case of a computer. Then again, updating Windows 10 at all seems to give you pretty bad odds, so people are pretty fucked whatever option they choose.
If your old [and new] fridge demanded regular software updates or there was the real possibility that someone could wirelessly turn the fridge off, would you tolerate them not providing updates? Would you be so lenient of them turning off your third-party ice maker because it was "faulty" and "incompatible" with a new update? That's really the question at hand, not whether a new fridge might be better and people might choose to update. In the case of Windows, that might also mean buying a whole new machine (like having to expand your house to fit the newer, larger fridge) and you're only at a lower risk of it turning off, you still need to run some sort of anti-turn-off software (even if it's the manufacturer's one vs some third party one), and you're basically beholden to them.
If anything, your argument really boils down to: Windows doesn't work and you need to find another OS. And no, neither Linux nor Mac OS X are it.
>You kids. Try upgrading from Netware 3.11 to Netware 4.0, only 2 years later. You couldn't even have the versions co-exist on the same LAN at first!
You just brought back some bad memories I thought I had buried away. Madge Token Ring ISA bus cards, jumpers for IRQ, IO. I think I'm going to curl up into a fetal position in the corner and cry for a while you insensitive clod!
Breaking anti-competition laws. Great job by the new generation getting back to the roots of MS success.
10 actively finds and kills anything that is not Microsoft-related once the update/upgrade starts.
I fail to see the problem here. That other stuff isn't Microsoft's, so why should they preserve it? It could cause problems with the upgrade process.
That's why the process takes so long, Microsoft is scanning and wiping shit from your system without your permission or knowledge.
You gave them permission when you authorized the upgrade to Win10.
This is what happens when you do a poor job of selecting a vendor. If you don't like the way a vendor treats you as a customer, then it's your job to find a better vendor.
Why should anyone discard functional things just because of Microsoft's say so?
Because their new OS doesn't support your old shit, and because you are implicitly consenting to allow Microsoft to manage your computer by installing their new OS, and part of that management includes deleting old shit that they don't feel like supporting any more.
If you think that old shit is so great, then go write your own OS to run it on.
Basically, it's like you demanding that your oven manufacturer continue to provide spare parts for your 20-year-old oven. They might do so if they feel it makes business sense, but they're under absolutely no obligation to do so.
No, but if I take my fridge and move to new home in town, there should be no expectation that I can't still use it if it's perfectly functional. The home builder certainly wouldn't design the home to force me to change it.
The home builder absolutely could do that, if he wanted to. What are you going to do about it? It's simple: if you don't like it, don't buy the house.
Incidentally, there actually are some (fancy) houses like this: they have Subzero refrigerators built-in, and you can't just stick a standard fridge in there easily. There's also plenty of old houses which can't use your larger modern dual-door fridge, because they were designed for older fridges which are significantly smaller than today's typical 25 cu. ft. double-door fridges (both narrower and shorter); you'd have to redo the cabinetry to get a large modern fridge in there.
Most voltage converters are not meant for large loads, including hair dryers, and will tell you so quite clearly. Refrigerators are very high-power loads and in a US house normally have their own, separate 20A (120V) circuit, which is 2400W maximum.
No, it's not like the silly police analogy, because MS is not a government agency. You chose MS to be your OS provider, so it's your own dumb fault if you don't like the way they're managing your computer. They have every right to refuse to run whatever 3rd-party software they want with their OS. If you don't like it, then don't use their OS.
Also: it's not a coincidence that 'Freon' refrigerants tend to be 'banned' shortly after DuPont's patent runs out on the old refrigerant.
WTF? Citation needed. Freon has been around for many, many decades, and was only banned about 20 years ago. Patents don't last anywhere near that long.
And these would all be variations on bacteria that have been promiscuously circulating genes for billions of years, on a continuous basis, with perhaps a few truly novel mutations scattered here and there.
Just wait for the zero-day bacteria evolved in electrical quarantine on a giant, distributed Beowulf cluster of Volta GPUs, then released into wetware by some bio3d printer hacked by North Korea via some rogue Windows XP box long lost between the drywall of some otherwise District 9 secure facility.
This is the ultimate weakness of traditional bacteria.
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25% is actually quite a moderate savings, many fridges from 15-20 years ago can easily be using twice the power consumption of its modern equivalent. if you go back 30 years that number can be in the range of 5-10 times the amount of power.
Freon was developed in the 1930's. you are definitely going to need a citation for that as Patents don't normally last that long.
Really? My combined refrigerator-freezer unit (Siemens iQ500 series) has a maximum power rating of 90W and I seem to remember most refrigerators I was comparing it against having similar ratings. A refrigerator would have to be both huge and extremely inefficient to get anywhere near 2400W. I don't think I've ever heard of a seperate circuit for a refrigerator before (although European circuits tend to be 16A at 230V, so the barrier for requiring a separate circuit is a bit higher).
>Why are you comparing a stationary appliance without external interface to a computer program?
Because managing a computer SHOULD AND CAN be done without an always-on external corporate interface. Sure, you can & should CHOOSE to interface with it to get updates, etc. But OP's comparison is a good one: when you want to interface you should. But it should not constantly exist interfaced.
Really? My combined refrigerator-freezer unit (Siemens iQ500 series) has a maximum power rating of 90W
You're going to have to provide a citation for that, because that's ridiculously tiny. I tried looking it up on Siemens' website but all they quote is yearly power consumption:
http://www.siemens-home.bsh-gr...
This one quotes 274kWh/yr, which works out to 31W if the thing were running continuously, which isn't how refrigerators work. Besides, that's a tiny unit and nothing at all like the stuff we have in the US. However, according to this site, power consumption for refrigerators (the US kind) has fallen dramatically since the turn of the millennium, and back in the 70s/80s they used to use 4-5 times as much power, so it's possible that it's no longer necessary to supply them with a large circuit. However, they probably continue to give them a separate circuit in the kitchen so that your fridge doesn't get turned off if you blow a breaker because of your blender or toaster (which is also more likely if the fridge is running and sharing that same circuit, as toasters for instance use a ridiculous amount of power).
I did manage to find this site which quotes 150-400W, which is a rather wide range, and doesn't cite and sources or any specific model at all.
Someone in this discussion says even a little dorm refrigerator will peg a 1500W inverter on start-up, even though the running power consumption is 84W (not much less than your figure for your much-larger unit, though the dorm fridge is likely not terribly efficient unlike a top-of-the-line Euro unit). So you need to consider that too: how much power does the fridge use when the compressor starts? It's likely very high, even though it probably lasts less than a second.
So yeah, it's quite likely that a 15A 1800W dedicated circuit is still necessary for a fridge just to handle the start-up current.