Alright, then add "post-corporate" to "post-military" then. Roddenberry makes it pretty clear in interviews: The ST universe is supposed to be way more "touchy-feely", and as such, firing someone becomes less about simple risk analaysis, and more about considering all the variables, even the little itty bitty ones.
Last but not least, it's a fricking TV show. The answer to most questions will always be "because it's in the script!"
What would happen to a US Military Officer who made a similar mistake?
That's the problem you and others make when comparing Trek to the real world. Starfleet was always meant to be specifically not as militaristic than its antecedents, from TOS onwards. As such, I've never really had a problem that Kirk, Picard and others got away with shit that would get any real world military commander canned in a heartbeat.
In fact, in DSG, the introduction of Section 31 seems to buttress that particular interpretation.
My favourite part about this whole is that you have a huge problem with the epithet "Teabaggers", but didn't even flinch when I called you wimps. I've long held a suspicion that even the most rabid Teabagger knows exactly just how fat, lazy and well-off they really are.
^^This. If the police department starts becoming responsible for a bunch of overblown bomb hoaxes a la Boston, this idea will go down faster than a lead balloon.,
inb4 inevitable Obama bashing even though any current administration/court system would do the same damn thing.
Quick question for the Americans here: How does it feel to have "won" the cold war only to become your ex-enemy? Really, the irony just doesn't get any better than that.
Not really, it's just good common sense security, which all us IT geeks should have at least a passing knowledge of.
I especially liked the distinction he made between secrecy and access, which really is the crux of the matter. It's trivial to secure anything against anyone if you really want to (chuck in a waterproof safe then drop into the Mariana Trench for example), but the problem is there's always at least one person who needs access, and that's where security gets complicated.
They're also people who couldn't hold a real job, if someone nailed it to their ass. In other words, they don't (or can't) have anything better to do than career protester. The Tea Party for the most part have jobs, families, etc and hence, have to make sacrifices to protest. They should get more respect.
That, right there, is one beautiful fucking sentence. The seals are so tight on your little bubble!
As to the various tribulations listed above, remember, if you blatantly commit crimes (real crime like vandalism, assault and battery, arson, etc, not just disagreeing publicly with the current orthodoxy) openly on the street, you reap the rewards, especially the indicted and convicted parts.
Pertinent to the discussion we were having...how? Focus, man.
Oh look! You have soft data points! Try some of this:
You'll note thay evil "Hollywood" kind of lay down on the oppression job, allowing An American Carol to be released in 1600+ theaters, and Proud American to be released in 750 theaters, and Expelled to be released in over 1000 theaters, the widest release of a documentary in history. As far as soul-crushing propaganda machines go, we are not getting the memos out, apparently.
Or this:
Oooo, look. Data. Let's take the top 15 moneymakers from the last few years. These tend to be both the movies that had the most promotional push, and also biggest audience (or cultural) impact. It's a rough metric, but the movies don't get any more or less politicized as you go down the list -- they tend to alternate between horror movies and failed rom-coms. You want a tighter look, go parse the lists yourself. From the best box-office site on the web, the truly magnificent Box Office Mojo:
Top 15 movies in 2005 (so far):
Revenge of the Sith -- claimed by both liberals and conservatives, and both of you are idiots. It's a Star Wars movie, jackass, sixth and last in the most famous franchise in history. Hitch - date doctor. rom-com Madagascar - animated children's film about zoo animals Batman Begins -- comic book movie, but pro-torture/vigilanteism! War of the Worlds - sci fi thriller about courage in adversity, value of family Fantastic Four - comic book movie (position my guess based on opening weekend) Mr. and Mrs. Smith - dueling sexy hit men. violent, but no politics or religion. The Longest Yard - comedy remake. Robots - animated children's film about robots The Pacifier - SEAL who takes care of kids. family comedy. Are We There Yet? -- family comedy. Guy bonds with Girlfriend's kids Monster-in-Law -- Straight-up rom-com. Got Jane Fonda in it, but all she betrays is J-Lo. Hardly a Hollywood staple anymore, first movie in fifteen years The Ring Two -- horror sequel, but theme is about mother saving son Constantine -- comic book movie. Is shockingly pro-heaven in the whole God v. Satan thing. Sin City -- Okay, agreed. The singular most morally reprehensible thing on the list (and in my mind, most reprehensible movie in theaters for a considerable amount of time). However, please note it was made outside the studio system. Rodriguez shot it as an indie. And hey, you people didn't have to go see it. Won't last the summer in this spot.
Top 15 in 2004:
Shrek 2 -- animated family film & sequel Spiderman 2 -- objectively pro-science! comic book adaptation. Passion of Christ -- another indie. And, I say, good for Mel for making something he believed in. However anti-semitic. Meet the Fockers -- comedy The Incredibles -- animated superhero movie. Value of family theme. Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkaban -- children's book adaptation The Day After Tomorrow -- Hmm. I guess if you're someone who believes this movie is pitching the whole climate change issue as its central theme rather than a convenient way to bring about big-budget mayhem, I can spot you this one. Of course, you then have to argue that Roland Emmerich is objectively pro-alien, and Independence Day was a vicious assault on the Clinton's Adminstration's lack of a coherent anti-alien policy. But, you know what, I'll spot you. The Bourne Supremacy -- sequel, spy thriller National Treasure -- treasure hunt, adventure movie Polar Express -- animated adaptation of children's book Shark Tale -- animated children's movie I, Robot -- book adaptation Troy -- historical epic. Anti-war? Well, not many ways to spin the Iliad. Ocean's Twelve -- sequel to a remake. look, celebrities! looking cool! Fifty First Dates -- rom-com
Fahreneit 9/11 is down at 17 here, by the way -- between Van Helsing a
Pro tip: If you can't handle one fucking epithet, you don't deserve to be in a protest movement.
G-20 protesters get beaten, shot, gassed, tasered, cuffed, charged, indicted and convicted for their beliefs, and they're soggy little pinko commies. What the fuck are you bitching about again?
If corporations are "conservative" how come almost all their TV Media outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN) are pro-big-government and anti-individual liberty?
Well, they're pro-Big Government, because they now are the government. And there anti-individual liberty because that cuts down on profits. Sheesh, where ya been the last few years?
I can assure you the other "side" is doing it as well.
While that's a great theory and all, and I subscribe to it myself, have you seen the Democrat party lately? Those fuckers couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery, so I have a hard time believing they could have some sort of compensated blogger/journalist setup anywhere near as big or as effective as the GOP.
Well, I think referring you to Gibbs' recent statements would give you a clue: The Democrat party doesn't fund leftie bloggers, it prefers to insult them.
Conservative activist welfare is not news - just Google Richard Mellon Scaife.
Short version: The Old Guard thought they were losing the culture war (damn hippies!), so they ponied up cash, endowments, entitlements; set up think tanks and commissions in order to control spin that never really existed in the first place.
And here we are today, with the fruits of that labour being the shallow end of the Teabagger nonsense.
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Alright, then add "post-corporate" to "post-military" then. Roddenberry makes it pretty clear in interviews: The ST universe is supposed to be way more "touchy-feely", and as such, firing someone becomes less about simple risk analaysis, and more about considering all the variables, even the little itty bitty ones.
Last but not least, it's a fricking TV show. The answer to most questions will always be "because it's in the script!"
What would happen to a US Military Officer who made a similar mistake?
That's the problem you and others make when comparing Trek to the real world. Starfleet was always meant to be specifically not as militaristic than its antecedents, from TOS onwards. As such, I've never really had a problem that Kirk, Picard and others got away with shit that would get any real world military commander canned in a heartbeat.
In fact, in DSG, the introduction of Section 31 seems to buttress that particular interpretation.
Moving on, you have yet to say any of relevance and just chip in pathetic insults.
Ding! We have a winner!
The Tea Party isn't a miracle cure, but I think it will get the job done well enough.
At best: Nothing.
At Worst: It's Ross Perot all over again, baby! Wooooh!
Good luck.
This just in: Still no cure for Cancer.
Shhh, don't tell the conservatives that! They consider it their proudest achievement.
I'm sorry, where in my post was I bashing conservatives?
My favourite part about this whole is that you have a huge problem with the epithet "Teabaggers", but didn't even flinch when I called you wimps. I've long held a suspicion that even the most rabid Teabagger knows exactly just how fat, lazy and well-off they really are.
Clearly you didn't read my post. You'll fit right in here.
^^This. If the police department starts becoming responsible for a bunch of overblown bomb hoaxes a la Boston, this idea will go down faster than a lead balloon.,
Clearly, you've missed the whole "Liberal Fascism" meme that's been positively sweeping the country. Lucky bastard.
inb4 inevitable Obama bashing even though any current administration/court system would do the same damn thing.
Quick question for the Americans here: How does it feel to have "won" the cold war only to become your ex-enemy? Really, the irony just doesn't get any better than that.
Not really, it's just good common sense security, which all us IT geeks should have at least a passing knowledge of.
I especially liked the distinction he made between secrecy and access, which really is the crux of the matter. It's trivial to secure anything against anyone if you really want to (chuck in a waterproof safe then drop into the Mariana Trench for example), but the problem is there's always at least one person who needs access, and that's where security gets complicated.
Oh, I get it now. Your narrow definition supersedes other Teabaggers's definition, and my own. Got it.
I'm sorry, where did I betray my ignorance as to why Teabaggers are cranky? I know quite well why they're cranky.
You really do have a problem staying on topic.
They're also people who couldn't hold a real job, if someone nailed it to their ass. In other words, they don't (or can't) have anything better to do than career protester. The Tea Party for the most part have jobs, families, etc and hence, have to make sacrifices to protest. They should get more respect.
That, right there, is one beautiful fucking sentence. The seals are so tight on your little bubble!
As to the various tribulations listed above, remember, if you blatantly commit crimes (real crime like vandalism, assault and battery, arson, etc, not just disagreeing publicly with the current orthodoxy) openly on the street, you reap the rewards, especially the indicted and convicted parts.
Pertinent to the discussion we were having...how? Focus, man.
There are plenty of rich responsible people, who think very little of such things.
So nice of them to all hide their lights under a bushel, too.
Who?
Or this:
Pro tip: If you can't handle one fucking epithet, you don't deserve to be in a protest movement.
G-20 protesters get beaten, shot, gassed, tasered, cuffed, charged, indicted and convicted for their beliefs, and they're soggy little pinko commies. What the fuck are you bitching about again?
It's called Hollywood.
Derpwhat? Soooo....if I'm a fat, lazy mall security guard who gets caught up in the tumult of a criminal operation, I'll end up saving the day anyway?
Fuck me, but that's a pernicious message. Fucking liberals.
If corporations are "conservative" how come almost all their TV Media outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN) are pro-big-government and anti-individual liberty?
Well, they're pro-Big Government, because they now are the government. And there anti-individual liberty because that cuts down on profits. Sheesh, where ya been the last few years?
Oh, and nice strawman btw. Almost missed it.
I can assure you the other "side" is doing it as well.
While that's a great theory and all, and I subscribe to it myself, have you seen the Democrat party lately? Those fuckers couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery, so I have a hard time believing they could have some sort of compensated blogger/journalist setup anywhere near as big or as effective as the GOP.
Ah, what feckless and naive people all liberals must be, and especially their bloggers and politicians!
Fixed that for you.
Well, I think referring you to Gibbs' recent statements would give you a clue: The Democrat party doesn't fund leftie bloggers, it prefers to insult them.
Conservative activist welfare is not news - just Google Richard Mellon Scaife.
Short version: The Old Guard thought they were losing the culture war (damn hippies!), so they ponied up cash, endowments, entitlements; set up think tanks and commissions in order to control spin that never really existed in the first place.
And here we are today, with the fruits of that labour being the shallow end of the Teabagger nonsense.
Ain't rich people grand?