You would be hard pressed to find something that doesn't have some sort of military use. To use that as an execuse is just plain silly.
Besides, huge numbers of important discoveries were made on the military dime. Pencillin, for example, was developed during WW2 through government funding.
Just because something is funded by the military doesn't make it a weapon. Just because something is not funded by the military does not make it non-military.
I was just getting ready to check in some code to a remote CVS repository when I realized this proposed law would also apply to CVS.
What is CVS's primary use? To share files with other people and keep track of changes and the history. It even allows anonymous access! My god! We must stop this evil porn distribution system! Think of the children!
WTF does that have to do with anything? They prevented BeOS from being installed on desktop computers - the specific monopoly they have the monopoly in.
In addition, it is illegal to leverage a monopoly to increase market share in another area. So if BeOS was targeted towards the server market, MS was breaking the law because they used their desktop monopoly to prevent the software from being installed.
Y'all need to read up on the law and understand it.
You show your ignorance. I have read up on the law. I do understand it. Did you read the BeOS court papers (the PDF was linked). I did. I'm sure you didn't.
As long as you are not a monopoly, you can demand pretty much any kind of contractual deal with your "business partners", even exclusive deals like this.
When you are a monopoly, the rules change. You can no longer force the business partners into exclusive deals (amongst other things).
So everything hinges on whether or not MS is a monopoly, and the courts have said they are. That's why MS paid of Be. They new if it went to trial they'd lose. Be probably took the deal because they didn't have the financial clout to go the distance. That's too bad. I would have loved to see MS ordered to pay (little finger to corner of mouth) one billion dollars.
Some lists are as you describe, but not all. I use spamhaus.org because the list avoids overkill. I also use a few lists from blackholes.us, specifically the china, korea, nigeria, and rackspace. Rackspace is a big supplier of hosting for spammers so I refuse to accept any of their garbage (I don't think I've ever received a single legitimate email from a rackspace ip address).
It should be platform-neutral, and we should do what is necessary to get MS to package it on the CD.
Except that if Micrsoft distributed it, it would only work with IIS, would require you to upgrade to the latest version of IE, and would be suspectible to a buffer overflow granting root access to the system.
Yeah, the red tape is a bitch. Here's a list of the red tape:
1. Close your open relays 2. Kick off known spammers 3. Stop list washing system admins who complain about spam 4. Stop making it nearly impossible to submit complaints
1. Familiar 2. Cheap/free 3. Runs the apps he needs 4. Support readily available
The lists hardly correspond.
Windows is familiar to joe. Making the Linux GUI (whichever one is chosen) act more like Windows by default would be a step to attracting him.
Windows is free as far as joe is concerned. It was included on the computer he bought at Best Buy. We know that's not true, but you will never convince joe that Windows cost him anything, so don't bother arguing.
The apps joe wants to run are Internet Explorer, Outlook, Microsoft Office and games.
Mozilla beats the hell out of IE but doesn't support IE extensions. We know that's a good thing, but joe thinks it's a bad thing. No, I'm not suggesting we add IE extensions to Mozilla. This is an educational issue, but convincing people that IE extensions are bad will be difficult (if not impossible).
Replacing Outlook Express is not a problem, but in an office environment the full blown Outlook is essential (replacements are in the works but are not ready for general deployment). The bright side here is that Microsoft is our best friend in convincing Outlook should be replaced. Their lack of the most basic security and the proliferation of viruses (on a weekly basis) is getting joe to start noticing that security might not be such a bad thing.
OpenOffice is similar enough to Word that it is a viable replacement.
Unfortunately, games are a big problem for Linux. Most Linux games are written by amateurs and look it. Sorry, but that's the sad truth. Don't bother suggesting Wine. All too often the hot games do not run well under Wine. This is a chicken/egg problem. Joe will consider Linux when games are readily available. The game companies will write for Linux when it is a big enough market to make it a good business decision.
Support is another big hurdle. Besides being able to call up someone to get help, joe wants the driver for the new digital camera he just bought to be included in the OS (best) or installed by the setup disk included with the camera. Any effort beyond that is a bad thing. Getting direct hardware vendor support for Linux has been an ongoing battle that has mixed results. We MUST convince the vendors to include Linux drivers with the hardware.
As an email program Outlook sucks, but the meeting planner is one hell of a nice tool.
Give me email and a meeting planner. Let the server run on Linux/Unix/BSD (I don't care what it runs on as long as it doesn't require Windows), make clients friendly AND secure out of the box, and you'll have a winner. Expecially if it's open source.
Ha! I didn't even accept the spam on the plate in the first place. I have Exim configured to refuse most spam at smtp via a combination of rbls and exiscan/SpamAssassin.
Thanks for the clarification. However, I would prefer Microsoft get their CSS implementation to meet the existing standards before going off to implement something brand new that has not been finalized. It's a pain in the ass to have to code two style sheets just because Microsoft gets too many basic things completely wrong.
DHTML is a Microsoft creation and is not part of any recognized standard. Using it only perpetuates the ongoing attempt to control the internet through proprietary extensions.
If you don't think this is a bad thing, then go ahead and use DHTML. While you're at it, toss in some vbs to really screw things up.
I remember a BBS with a curse filter that wouldn't let you discuss ASSembly language programming. You had to type a$$embly. I complained to the sysop, but he was too anal to do anything about it, so I stopped participating. I hate censorship. I hate automated censorship even more.
Just try to find _any_ software thats designed for some of our special needs, let alone Free software.
When you have highly specialized needs, all too often the software must be a custom job. Insist on non-Windows software. There is absolutely no good reason to run mission critical software on an unstable platform. People might die.
though we once got a virus from a vendor's system that we lease and couldn't scan
I hope the legal department was all over that vendor like stink on shit with the magic words "liability". I hope the IT department insisted the vendor make it possible to run regular virus scans on it.
So the networks are brought to a crawl due to the large amount of traffic necessary to patch systems because incompetent MSCEs are too incompetent to do the job themselves?
Well cry me a fucking river.
With all the worm and virus activity in the last few months they have absolutely no damn excuse for not being on top of this. Since they are too stupid to do their job, someone found it necessary to do it for them. Personally, I would have considered a disk formatting worm to be fully justified.
Sounds similar to what I did. I called up to change my service plan. Nothing major, I just wanted more minutes before the extra fees kicked it. They wanted a new two year contract. I told them that was completely unacceptable and that if I couldn't simply increase the minutes without a new contract then they could cancel the service that very moment. They insisted the contract was required - so I cancelled.
Won't fit in 32Meg, but I found one that runs around 100Meg called runt. I put it on my Laks watch and was able to boot from it on a computer that supported USB booting. With a boot floppy, I was able to boot other systems that did not support USB booting.
Everyone should set up a daily cron job that send SCO a nice email of junk. Around 3am their time would be perfect. Once a day from each person here should do a nice job on their mail server. I have a nice little perl script that produces 3 to 5 paragraphs of random text and a random subject. That should work very nicely for getting past any filters.
What most people don't realize is the "can't shout fire in a theatre" clause was originally used to surpress legitimate political pamphlets. It urged its draftee readers (first World War) to think about the message and then--if they so chose--to act on it in a lawful and nonviolent way. Of this horrid opinion, only the "fire" part remains, more out of being a snappy line than in being good law.
You do, in fact, have a right to shout fire in a crowded theatre. If you do it falsely, you could be tossed in jail, but for reasons completely unrelated to free speech.
With liberty comes responsibility. The government uses the abuse of liberty as an excuse to reduce rights. Don't accept this. Just because some people forget they must be responsible does not make it ok for the government to strip those rights away. Some people print racist articles, so laws are passed outlawing hate speech. You think that's ok? Did you know that in some places in the South it was illegal to advocate interacial marriage? You could get thrown in jail for advocating "crimes against morality". In a fundamental sense this is the same thing. One side advocating something the other side finds morally reprehensible. So who defines what is good speech and what is bad speech? No one. Let the ideas flow, both good and bad. You can't legislate intelligent thinking.
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So add a preprocess that standardized the variable names. I'd also have the shredder ignore whitespace and line breaks in its computation.
You would be hard pressed to find something that doesn't have some sort of military use. To use that as an execuse is just plain silly.
Besides, huge numbers of important discoveries were made on the military dime. Pencillin, for example, was developed during WW2 through government funding.
Just because something is funded by the military doesn't make it a weapon. Just because something is not funded by the military does not make it non-military.
Except CVS is a little weak in its binary file support (though there are ways of dealing with binaries).
I was just getting ready to check in some code to a remote CVS repository when I realized this proposed law would also apply to CVS.
What is CVS's primary use? To share files with other people and keep track of changes and the history. It even allows anonymous access! My god! We must stop this evil porn distribution system! Think of the children!
In addition, it is illegal to leverage a monopoly to increase market share in another area. So if BeOS was targeted towards the server market, MS was breaking the law because they used their desktop monopoly to prevent the software from being installed.
You show your ignorance. I have read up on the law. I do understand it. Did you read the BeOS court papers (the PDF was linked). I did. I'm sure you didn't.When you are a monopoly, the rules change. You can no longer force the business partners into exclusive deals (amongst other things).
So everything hinges on whether or not MS is a monopoly, and the courts have said they are. That's why MS paid of Be. They new if it went to trial they'd lose. Be probably took the deal because they didn't have the financial clout to go the distance. That's too bad. I would have loved to see MS ordered to pay (little finger to corner of mouth) one billion dollars.
Some lists are as you describe, but not all. I use spamhaus.org because the list avoids overkill. I also use a few lists from blackholes.us, specifically the china, korea, nigeria, and rackspace. Rackspace is a big supplier of hosting for spammers so I refuse to accept any of their garbage (I don't think I've ever received a single legitimate email from a rackspace ip address).
Yeah, yours is better than mine (and mine isn't as original).
No thank you.
So you bought a house in the slums and now discover that you can't get a pizza delivered. Sucks to be you.
Yeah, the red tape is a bitch. Here's a list of the red tape:
1. Close your open relays
2. Kick off known spammers
3. Stop list washing system admins who complain about spam
4. Stop making it nearly impossible to submit complaints
Let's make a list of what the geek community wants. These aren't in any particular order and is far from complete, but is enough to make my point:
1. Stable
2. Secure
3. Cheap (or free)
4. Wide selection of applications
Now make a list of what the average joe wants:
1. Familiar
2. Cheap/free
3. Runs the apps he needs
4. Support readily available
The lists hardly correspond.
Windows is familiar to joe. Making the Linux GUI (whichever one is chosen) act more like Windows by default would be a step to attracting him.
Windows is free as far as joe is concerned. It was included on the computer he bought at Best Buy. We know that's not true, but you will never convince joe that Windows cost him anything, so don't bother arguing.
The apps joe wants to run are Internet Explorer, Outlook, Microsoft Office and games.
Mozilla beats the hell out of IE but doesn't support IE extensions. We know that's a good thing, but joe thinks it's a bad thing. No, I'm not suggesting we add IE extensions to Mozilla. This is an educational issue, but convincing people that IE extensions are bad will be difficult (if not impossible).
Replacing Outlook Express is not a problem, but in an office environment the full blown Outlook is essential (replacements are in the works but are not ready for general deployment). The bright side here is that Microsoft is our best friend in convincing Outlook should be replaced. Their lack of the most basic security and the proliferation of viruses (on a weekly basis) is getting joe to start noticing that security might not be such a bad thing.
OpenOffice is similar enough to Word that it is a viable replacement.
Unfortunately, games are a big problem for Linux. Most Linux games are written by amateurs and look it. Sorry, but that's the sad truth. Don't bother suggesting Wine. All too often the hot games do not run well under Wine. This is a chicken/egg problem. Joe will consider Linux when games are readily available. The game companies will write for Linux when it is a big enough market to make it a good business decision.
Support is another big hurdle. Besides being able to call up someone to get help, joe wants the driver for the new digital camera he just bought to be included in the OS (best) or installed by the setup disk included with the camera. Any effort beyond that is a bad thing. Getting direct hardware vendor support for Linux has been an ongoing battle that has mixed results. We MUST convince the vendors to include Linux drivers with the hardware.
As an email program Outlook sucks, but the meeting planner is one hell of a nice tool.
Give me email and a meeting planner. Let the server run on Linux/Unix/BSD (I don't care what it runs on as long as it doesn't require Windows), make clients friendly AND secure out of the box, and you'll have a winner. Expecially if it's open source.
The link works perfectly if you remove the space in the middle of the url.
Thanks for the clarification. However, I would prefer Microsoft get their CSS implementation to meet the existing standards before going off to implement something brand new that has not been finalized. It's a pain in the ass to have to code two style sheets just because Microsoft gets too many basic things completely wrong.
DHTML is a Microsoft creation and is not part of any recognized standard. Using it only perpetuates the ongoing attempt to control the internet through proprietary extensions.
If you don't think this is a bad thing, then go ahead and use DHTML. While you're at it, toss in some vbs to really screw things up.
I remember a BBS with a curse filter that wouldn't let you discuss ASSembly language programming. You had to type a$$embly. I complained to the sysop, but he was too anal to do anything about it, so I stopped participating. I hate censorship. I hate automated censorship even more.
Flavored coffee? Maybe if you're a Euroweenie or Berkeley dyke you'll want some maple nut crunch coffee. I'll stick to coffee flavored coffee.
So the networks are brought to a crawl due to the large amount of traffic necessary to patch systems because incompetent MSCEs are too incompetent to do the job themselves?
Well cry me a fucking river.
With all the worm and virus activity in the last few months they have absolutely no damn excuse for not being on top of this. Since they are too stupid to do their job, someone found it necessary to do it for them. Personally, I would have considered a disk formatting worm to be fully justified.
Sounds similar to what I did. I called up to change my service plan. Nothing major, I just wanted more minutes before the extra fees kicked it. They wanted a new two year contract. I told them that was completely unacceptable and that if I couldn't simply increase the minutes without a new contract then they could cancel the service that very moment. They insisted the contract was required - so I cancelled.
Won't fit in 32Meg, but I found one that runs around 100Meg called runt. I put it on my Laks watch and was able to boot from it on a computer that supported USB booting. With a boot floppy, I was able to boot other systems that did not support USB booting.
Everyone should set up a daily cron job that send SCO a nice email of junk. Around 3am their time would be perfect. Once a day from each person here should do a nice job on their mail server. I have a nice little perl script that produces 3 to 5 paragraphs of random text and a random subject. That should work very nicely for getting past any filters.
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What most people don't realize is the "can't shout fire in a theatre" clause was originally used to surpress legitimate political pamphlets. It urged its draftee readers (first World War) to think about the message and then--if they so chose--to act on it in a lawful and nonviolent way. Of this horrid opinion, only the "fire" part remains, more out of being a snappy line than in being good law.
You do, in fact, have a right to shout fire in a crowded theatre. If you do it falsely, you could be tossed in jail, but for reasons completely unrelated to free speech.
With liberty comes responsibility. The government uses the abuse of liberty as an excuse to reduce rights. Don't accept this. Just because some people forget they must be responsible does not make it ok for the government to strip those rights away. Some people print racist articles, so laws are passed outlawing hate speech. You think that's ok? Did you know that in some places in the South it was illegal to advocate interacial marriage? You could get thrown in jail for advocating "crimes against morality". In a fundamental sense this is the same thing. One side advocating something the other side finds morally reprehensible. So who defines what is good speech and what is bad speech? No one. Let the ideas flow, both good and bad. You can't legislate intelligent thinking.