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Drink Coffee, Support Mozilla

MikeCapone writes "Heavy coffee-drinking Mozilla fans take notice, MozillaZine has a story on how some coffee company has dedicated a selection of gourmet coffees to helping the Mozilla foundation. Only half the profits go to Mozilla, but the coffee seems good..."

271 comments

  1. Cool by Vexalith · · Score: 1

    As a heavy coffee drinker and equally heavy Mozilla user this seems like a good deal!

    1. Re:Cool by kasperd · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But coffee is supposed to be hot, not cool.

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    2. Re:Cool by Chundra · · Score: 2, Funny

      So how heavy are you?

    3. Re:Cool by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mmm. After all, sleep is just a poor substitute for caffeine.

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    4. Re:Cool by jebell · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I wish I had some mod points right now.

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    5. Re:Cool by E_elven · · Score: 1

      I don't like coffee, so I have no risk of accidentally supporting the bloated piece of fried coffee bean. Excellent.

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    6. Re:Cool by Vexalith · · Score: 1

      Bah, does no-one here understand irony?

    7. Re:Cool by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 0, Troll

      I drink tea, you insensetive ....oh never mind

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    8. Re:Cool by CoolBrew · · Score: 1
      No, Cool Brew :-)

      When you live in the deep south and it's 95+ every day in the summer, you learn how to drink iced coffee. And, you learn how to make it taste good!

      CB

  2. 1/2 is HUGE by squashed · · Score: 5, Informative

    1/2 is a significant %, compared to the typical promotion offering a % to non-profit causes.

    1. Re:1/2 is HUGE by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yeah the usual you see around here in is like one cent per one euro of purchase.. depending on the profit margin i still would say 1/2 of the profits to be bigger than that.

      too bad i don't drink coffee though.. now some tea would be excellent but i guess i could getter better tea through my chinese flatmate.

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    2. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Accipiter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      too bad i don't drink coffee though..

      Who cares? Buy a bag and give it to someone who does. I'm not a coffee drinker at all, but I'm buying a bag right now just to show support for this endeavor. This is an EXTREMELY generous offer on the part of RJ Tarpley, and I plan on thanking them by thanking the Mozilla Foundation at the same time.

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    3. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
      through my chinese flatmate

      While Chinese aren't exactly the tallest people in the world, calling them flat goes a bit too far, I think.

    4. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Newrad · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA!! Oh man I hope you were kidding with that. (Because the screwed up british way of saying apartment is flat)

    5. Re:1/2 is HUGE by hendridm · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's good to encourage companies to support open source, but you could also donate the amount you paid for the coffee and be assured 100% of it is going towards Mozilla.

      On second thought, it's miles ahead of what most of these leeches who can't fathom why anybody would PAY for a Slashdot subscription yet visit this site throughout the day to bitch about it.

    6. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Accipiter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought of the 100% to Mozilla argument.

      It's good in the fact that 100% of the money goes to Mozilla, but on the other hand, where's the attention? By actually promoting Mozilla via the coffee purchase, not only are you donating to Mozilla, you're telling the company "Hey, this is a good idea. You're doing good here." and you're promoting the attention the project receives as a result. And just maybe, it could encourage others to do the same.

      Donations don't get press coverage unless they're in ridiculously large amounts. But when a company has pledged to donate a portion of its profits to a worthy cause, it gets more attention.

      Which is why this story is on Mozillazine and Slashdot. A simple donation wouldn't have done that.

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    7. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Epistax · · Score: 1

      I'll check this stuff out as soon as I get back to school. I've just bought a Saeco espresso machine and I really want to get a bean other than the one crappy brand at the local Wegman's (grociery store). Especially since this wegmans doesn't have a bean grinder..

      Has anyone tried this stuff yet-- know how it tastes?

    8. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So donate 100% to Mozilla, then send a letter to the company saying that you were inspired by their generosity, and donated $10 on their behalf.

    9. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the company gets nothing as a result, therefore killing any incentive to continue this project.

      Stupid.

    10. Re:1/2 is HUGE by xmedh02 · · Score: 1

      Well, even for luxury ("gourmet coffee") products? I don't think so..

    11. Re:1/2 is HUGE by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah.. dunno what he meant, but anyways i used flatmate because roommate doesn't quite cut it (because there's different rooms, and it's called a 'cell' type o living around here where i share the kitchen and wc with two other guys and have my own room) and frankly 'apartmentmate' sounds gay.

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    12. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who cares? Buy a bag and give it to someone who does
      No.

      If you want money to go to Mozilla. GIVE IT. Give it directly to Mozilla. Why give them only half the profit from coffee (assuming they ever actually see it) when you could give them the whole thing?

    13. Re:1/2 is HUGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All (2/2) of the Newman's Own (http://www.newmansown.com/) after tax profits are donated to charity.

    14. Re:1/2 is HUGE by nutznboltz · · Score: 1

      too bad i don't drink coffee though

      Hey no problem! There's plenty of other things you can do with the stuff.

    15. Re:1/2 is HUGE by MicroBerto · · Score: 1
      dude, thank you SO much! I'm just now finishing up an 8 month long co-op, and i woulda forgotten to get a present for my bosses!

      I'm ordering 2 bags of EnviroZilla or whatever it's called. Thanks again man

      Hopefully we buy lots of this stuff -- and companies will begin realizing what freaks we are and support OSS so much that they'll do more stuff like this! Everyone wins with this!

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    16. Re:1/2 is HUGE by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      I'm the guy who submitted the story.

      Now that I think of it, I agree with you. Half of the profits is a very good deal. I should've worded it differently...

      ...but the coffee *does* seem good, though.

    17. Re:1/2 is HUGE by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      Donations don't get press coverage unless they're in ridiculously large amounts. But when a company has pledged to donate a portion of its profits to a worthy cause, it gets more attention.

      Which is why this story is on Mozillazine and Slashdot. A simple donation wouldn't have done that.

      I agree 100%.

      At first I also thought "why not donate directly?", but then I realized that this was about more than money; it's about increasing mindshare among the "clients" *and* the vendors.

      I submitted this story to /. because I figured that if this guy sold tons of this Mozilla coffee, then he'd keep doing it and maybe other stores would realize that they could attract clients among fans of this or that non-profit .org

      So, while it's true that donating directly is great, it's also good to have a "product" to encourage donations. I probably would never tell my friends to just donate money to Mozilla, but I wouldn't mind telling them about this high quality coffee that ALSO helps a good cause.

      Well, that was long-winded... Sorry.

  3. Not quite what I had in mind... by cnb · · Score: 5, Funny

    When they promised better java support for mozilla

  4. so..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what are the chances of getting starbucks to purchase wholesale mozilla beans from these guys and getting this stuff to the true heavy coffee drinking masses?

  5. Hmmm Max Havelaar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about the coffee farmers?

    Do they get a fair share?

    First things first, I'd say ;-)

    1. Re:Hmmm Max Havelaar... by niko9 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard Juan Valdez got a free copy of Mozilla.

      Man that guy always seems happy to grow coffee for the gringos.

    2. Re:Hmmm Max Havelaar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This might be modded as "funny" as I read it, but the point is the same. Coffee farmers are the most economically abused people on earth.

      There is coffee referred to as "fair trade" coffee, which usually costs more, but it's because the farmers actually get a better cut of the money and better treatment by scumbag coffee companies.

      If you're buying coffee, try to buy fair trade coffee if you can.

    3. Re:Hmmm Max Havelaar... by RPoet · · Score: 1

      Wisely spoken. I don't want to buy this coffee if it supports mozilla at the cost of exploiting coffee farmers. I'd rather be buying my usual bags of Max Havelaar and donate cash to the Mozilla Foundation instead.

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    4. Re:Hmmm Max Havelaar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. If you agree with this smart fellow, buy coffee you like, where you like, and Give money directly to mozilla

    5. Re:Hmmm Max Havelaar... by r00zky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering that to be "Fair Trade" certified, coffee should be bought to farmers at a minimum(sp?) of $1.26 per pound (see here) and normal selling price goes for $0.50 per pound... it's possible.

      But even if it's "Fair Trade" it's still quite unfair to me if the farmers only gets ~13% (in the case of $10/pound) of sale price...

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    6. Re:Hmmm Max Havelaar... by forkboy · · Score: 1

      It's an economy of scale. They may "only" get 1.26 a pound, but you gotta remember they're selling tens to hundreds of tons of beans.

      Most manufactureres / growers don't make anything near the sale price. For instance, the nutritional supplement manufacturere I worked for this summer makes things like Acidophilus and glucosamine/chondroitin. They sell them to resellers for like .50-1.00 a bottle, and the reseller in turn either sells them to someone else for a nice markup or puts them on the shelves for anywhere from 6.00 to 25.00 a bottle. Does that mean we're not getting a fair share?

      Ask a US corn farmer how much get gets per pound of corn. It ain't anywhere near what you'd pay in the grocery store. It's just how these things work. The growers don't have to deal with the distribution, marketing, packagine, storage, importing, etc. THat's what drives the cost up.

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  6. Hmmm by vevva · · Score: 4, Funny

    Definite grounds for a brewhaha

  7. I'm game by Idealius · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like the perfect gift for my company. We're IT, and everyone I know here drinks coffee. Looks like I'll be Mr. Popular for a few days before the coffee runs out. Hmmm, mark me down for a 100 lbs, that should last for a day or so..

  8. And in other news, by grug0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    crack dealers are giving half their profits to SCO. Say dealers, "They're some of our most loyal patrons, it only seems fair."

    1. Re:And in other news, by kfuq · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "..Coming up next on news at 11, Darl McBride is caught smoking crack in a bus station bathroom with 10 prostitutes... we'll be right back after these commercial announcements......"

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    2. Re:And in other news, by SuperDuG · · Score: 1
      I'm pretty sure even crack dealers have stopped doing business with them (look at SCO's previous business partners).

      "War on drugs? It's hard enough to go to school on drugs" -Gobi SNL

      SCO Lawyer - "You can't sue crack dealers, that's admitting guilt of drug usage and purchase"
      SCO Exec - "So, look if it's going to get a few more points on the market, I'm for it."
      SCO Lawyer - "Do you prefer the words controlled substance or are we sticking with 'Crack Rocks'?"

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  9. Needs a beer by idiotnot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Red Lizard Ale sounds nice to me. Anybody got some connections with Anheuser Busch, Miller, or Coors to get some real $$$ rolling into the project?

    1. Re:Needs a beer by SW6 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Red Lizard Ale sounds nice to me. Anybody got some connections with Anheuser Busch, Miller, or Coors to get some real $$$ rolling into the project?

      Cool idea, but wouldn't it be better if you approached some beer producers instead?

    2. Re:Needs a beer by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      " Needs a beer, Red Lizard Ale sounds nice to me."

      Wychwood brewery might be better people to write to - they have a history of weird names, and make nicer beers than Miller, Coors, etc.

    3. Re:Needs a beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! My thoughts exactly.

    4. Re:Needs a beer by kfuq · · Score: 1

      there are a bunch of "micro breweries" in NW us.. all over seattle, portland ( widmer bros sound familiar to anyone?)and spokane/CD'A

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    5. Re:Needs a beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and how many people would honestly pay to have a bunch of beer shipped to them?

    6. Re:Needs a beer by Malcontent · · Score: 1

      Great Idea. Maybe I'll approach some microbrews around here and see what they say.

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    7. Re:Needs a beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Anheuser Busch, Miller, or Coors

      What? I ain't buying no water to support Mozilla. At first I thought you were talking about beer by mentioning "Red Lizard Ale", but then you mention those brands. Shame on you.

    8. Re:Needs a beer by tongue · · Score: 1

      I would... i'm a member of The Beer of the Month Club. Good beers available, although I'm probably going to discontinue my membership now that i'm in a city where you can get a wide selection of microbrews at the grocery store. Its great if you live in places where the alcohol nazis or a lack of taste in the general populace keep the selection trim though.

    9. Re:Needs a beer by westyvw · · Score: 1

      Oh GOd NO! Not any of those CRAPPY beers. Make it a decent beer. Just as folgers is swill so are the major beer manufacturers.

      At least make it Sierra Navada, Mac and Jacks, Rogue or some other decent beer.

      How does anyone stomach a Budweiser?

    10. Re:Needs a beer by idiotnot · · Score: 1

      People missed my point. I mentioned the big manufacturers because they've got *money*.

      I think the only way I'd ever drink a standard Coors, or gawdforbid a Coors Light, is if it was free (erm. as in beer).

      As far as the beers themselves go, no, they're not great. But they're certainly not as vile as malt liquor or anything like that (Zima, Smirnoff Ice, etc). I grew up in Germany -- I appreciate good beer. But Budweiser can be okay if you let it. No need to be snobbish.

      PBR is okay, too.

    11. Re:Needs a beer by westyvw · · Score: 1

      I guess I see the money angle.

      I wouldnt drink a coors if it was free. I pissed in those "Rocky Mountain Stprings" and I have been to Golden Collorado.

      Most American beer is like making love in a canoe, it fucking close to water.

      Besides, most Americans think Sam Adams is a micro, when compared to micros its crap too.

    12. Re:Needs a beer by graikor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Rogue already makes a beer for Microsoft Ineternet Explorer - I think it's called "Arrogant Bastard Ale"

      I couldn't help myself...

  10. simpsons quote.... by jeffy124 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Homer: So what do you call this stuff?
    Barney: A double tall mocha latte.
    Homer: It's not bad. (quietly spikes his drink)
    Barney: Well, it ain't beer, but at least I got that monkey off my back. (quickly gulps down four cups, then burps)

    (Cut to Moe)
    Moe: Heh, heh, nobody gets away from Moe. Nobody.

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    1. Re:simpsons quote.... by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but is has to taste than "tomacco".

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  11. A good advertising strategy... by f-matic · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...for SCO perhaps?

    Smoke crack, Buy a SCO licence!

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    1. Re:A good advertising strategy... by wheany · · Score: 1

      AHAHAHAHAHA SCO is funny!

    2. Re:A good advertising strategy... by Moth7 · · Score: 2

      Some of us are already going cold turkey over the lack of our daily SCO story then I see *rollseyes*

    3. Re:A good advertising strategy... by kfuq · · Score: 1

      {sarcasm}
      how about get a FREE sco linux license with every oz of crack ?
      {/sarcasm}

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    4. Re:A good advertising strategy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'd rather snort heroine thank you very much.

    5. Re:A good advertising strategy... by f-matic · · Score: 1
      Some of us are already going cold turkey over the lack of our daily SCO

      You're right - my apologies for contributing to the SCO overload. May I suggest instead:

      Buy nothing at all - use the FSF!

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    6. Re:A good advertising strategy... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

      Awwww, you're just a whiner!
      The proof? Your sig:
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    7. Re:A good advertising strategy... by wheany · · Score: 1

      Please elaborate

    8. Re:A good advertising strategy... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

      Ack, it's not going to be even mildly amusing after I explain it. It was a joke based on the content of the link mentioned in your signature (Yeah, I actually went out and read it, and yes, now I understand why I lose at CS all the time - it's not because I suck at CS, it's because of CHEATERS). I figured you were being sarcastic about having to read so many unoriginal, offtopic SCO comments (i.e. whining), so I posted an off key remark that was tied to your sig. See? Not funny.

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  12. Fair trade coffee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does anyone know if this is fair trade coffee?
    I see that it's possible to buy organic coffee, but I can't find a word about the origin of this coffee, and the farmers that produced it.
    If this is no fair trade coffee, that I don't want to buy this: fair trade, and a right price for the farmers is still much more important to me than the Mozilla project...
    After all, the concept of fair trade is something that should go well with the Mozilla ideals, isn't it??

    1. Re:Fair trade coffee? by DenialS · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The web site doesn't explicitly state that it is fair trade coffee, so you have to assume that it is not fair trade coffee. Well, I have to assume that, anyways, based on the following logic: you're not going to lose many sales to rabid capitalists if you quietly state 'All coffee that we sell is fair trade'--but you will gain sales from moderate liberals like me.

      Instead, I'll continue to get my coffee from Merchants of Green Coffee, where you have a wide choice of green, fair-trade, organic coffees that you can roast to suit your own tastes.

      Oh yeah, and I plan to donate directly to the Mozilla Foundation so 100% of my money goes there.

      Don't get me wrong--the owner is trying to do the right thing, and it's a step in the right direction for the Ayn Rand-ish culture of "every ethical choice is a selfish choice"--in this case, consumers get to contribute in a small way to the Mozilla Foundation by exercising well-honed consumption skills and getting coffee as a result. It's just not a formula that suits my personal tastes.

    2. Re:Fair trade coffee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I only buy fair trade organic shade-grown arabica French roast beans.

      Well, sometimes I buy espresso roast if it looks good or French roast is sold out.

      If these enviro beans were fair trade, they'd say it. Addicts like me will pay ridiculous prices for the real deal.

    3. Re:Fair trade coffee? by kilpatjr · · Score: 1

      If it's as good as they tout, it's probably not classified as fair trade coffee. But at nearly 10 bucks a pound, it damn well better provide fair compensation for the farmers.
      In general, good plantations aren't fair trade, as they can support themselves on the world market on the merits of their cups.

      In short, the farmers here are likely getting fair compensation.

      -- your friendly neighborhood home coffee roaster

    4. Re:Fair trade coffee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, since most fair trade coffee tastes like ass, let's hope not.

    5. Re:Fair trade coffee? by forkboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to run a coffee shop. 3/4 of the "fair trade" whiners that came in were wearing clothing and sneakers made by foreign child labor. I'm not saying you're the same way, I'm just commenting on how your average American cares about human rights only when it is trendy to do so.

      These are the same people that bitch about what bad drivers people are while they themselves are driving a truck or SUV that's 2 sizes too big for them while juggling a coffee in one hand and a cell phone in the other.

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    6. Re:Fair trade coffee? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Did Ayn Rand have children?

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  13. Good deal... by Seehund · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then again, you could buy your coffee elsewhere, at less RIDICULOUS prices, and instead donate directly to mozilla.org.

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    1. Re:Good deal... by Vexalith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Damn, I should have RTFA. That is expensive. I think I'll stick to supermarket coffee and send Mozilla the money directly.

    2. Re:Good deal... by Seehund · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the lazy ones; it costs about US$ 10 per pound.

      Maybe coffee is more expensive in the US. I'm in Sweden (second largest coffee consuming nation after Finland IIRC), and coffee typically costs ~ US$ 2-4 per 1/2 kg. (1 lb = 0.45359237 kg). Maybe $ 5-6 for "luxury blends" in specialized stores.

      But I hear that US-ians generally don't tend to use too much coffee in their water... Maybe this is the reason. ;)

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    3. Re:Good deal... by dk.r*nger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...at less RIDICULOUS prices ...

      Well, I guess this isn't your average cheap "three bags of 500 grams, $7.95" coffee, but once you get acustomed to - not even really good coffee, but decent, eveyday coffee, about $5-$5.50 pr 250 grams is not unfair - and that's without donating to anything but the coffeestore-owners BMW.

      I'm spoiled, I can't drink the cheap crap anymore.. I just can't..

    4. Re:Good deal... by b!arg · · Score: 1

      Huh? Perhaps it's just a Seattle thing, but I regularly spend upwards of $7.50/pound for coffee beans. The really good stuff is up around the $10 mark. We're not talking Folger's here. *gags* Now I think I'll be off and enjoy some of my $10 coffee...

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    5. Re:Good deal... by zulux · · Score: 5, Informative

      This cofees is *NOT* expensive - good shade-grown organic cofee is well woth $10 a pound. A lot of effort, time and care goes into the product, and the results are outstanding.

      Folgers is about $4.50 a poind, and this cofee is more that 10 times better - in armoa, taste, and in good-will (suporting non-plantation growers that care about the product.)

      I'm not an environmentalist wacko - with the typical cofee plantations (in South America) are terrible for our environment. Basically they slash and burn, orver fertalise, the mechanically harverst - and once there done with that peice of land they move on to the next bit of rain-forest.

      $10 is nothing for us computer programers - it takes you an extra three minutes to earn the diferance and the results are worth it.

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    6. Re:Good deal... by kfuq · · Score: 1

      yah.. coffee bean prices seem to vary from about $7.50/lb to $11/lb in North Idaho

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    7. Re:Good deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a decent blend $9.95 a pound is not bad. It really depends on the beans used. There they are a litle vague as to what beans are in the blend but given the regions it sounds about right unless they are using low-grade beans.

      For a point of comparison I prefer Jamaican Blue Mountain, which I get at wholesale for $20/pound. Retail for grade 1 beans it runs $32-34/pound. Some people are more particular then others. Just like there are Boone's Farm wine drinkers (~$5?) and then there are Ch. Mouton (~$200) drinkers. Or Bud -vs- Guiness drinkers.

    8. Re:Good deal... by macshit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gee, I never really thought about it very much, but I pay (in Japan) about 500yen/100g, which works out to about $20/lb!!!! Gah... (and that's nowhere near the most expensive)

      Does taste good though.

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    9. Re:Good deal... by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Ugh, don't say that. I'm moving to Japan and am utterly dependent on a continuous flow of good quality coffee during the day.

      I mean, that price is ridiculous. Decent quality Arabica goes for about $3 for 500g here - that would make coffee ten times more expensive in Japan. Maybe I should just fill my suitcases with coffee instead of clothing and stuff...

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    10. Re:Good deal... by Weh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I use two kinds, both are 100% Arabica espresso coffee: Lavazza which runs at about 3Euro/250g and Illy which costs about double that. As to world coffee consumption, here's the stats.

    11. Re:Good deal... by holzp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $10 is nothing for us computer programers - it takes you an extra three minutes to earn the diferance

      you have a job? programming computers? and at $200/hour? I assume its programming a time machine which you used to take you back to 1999.

    12. Re:Good deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the link, I just donated 15$ to the Mozilla fund (which is slightly more than my economy allows at the moment...). Now I am no freeloader anymore!!!

    13. Re:Good deal... by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $10 is nothing for us computer programers - it takes you an extra three minutes to earn the diferance and the results are worth it.

      ...he says, just before being laid off and replaced with an Indian programmer whose weekly salary is about the equivalent of the cost of a cup of coffee.

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    14. Re:Good deal... by adamjaskie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Im American, I use lots of coffee in my water, but most people wont drink my coffee because they complain about it being "Too strong." I dont think there is such a thing as TOO strong.

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    15. Re:Good deal... by trotski · · Score: 1

      Yeah but it wouldn't come in cool mozilla packaging.... thats what I'm paying for.

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    16. Re:Good deal... by malus · · Score: 1

      which is why i never make coffee for others. They can't handle it. Thick, black, sludge. Amen for the Fren ...er, Freedom Press.

    17. Re:Good deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh don't worry about it. Wait 'til you see what it would cost for 2 cucumbers, an onion, and a quart of milk.

    18. Re:Good deal... by malus · · Score: 1

      Indians drink tea. They can't handle coffee.

    19. Re:Good deal... by KillerLoop · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe it's catching on and more companies would consider such a move.

      While the coffee is quite expensive, maybe it's due to the fact that it's some exquisite blend. And at least for me the idea of having a Mozilla coffee is vastly entertaining.

    20. Re:Good deal... by OMEGA+Power · · Score: 1

      Price seems OK to me. I ussually buy "premium" coffee from places like Starbucks and Whole Foods and am used to paying about $10 a pound

    21. Re:Good deal... by instantnoodles · · Score: 2, Informative

      exactly...

      I hate it went Corporations exploit charities. Like the Yoplait caps/breast cancer. WTF do I have to mail them in for you to donate the dime?

      Some corporations are evil though. One vacumn cleaner company gave $1 to a breast cancer for each product it sold. However, it limited this amount to $500,000, and it spent 2 million promoting how good a company it was!

      Also, the Walk for Breast Cancer is also crap. Its run by a for profit company(!). In some of its fundraisers, none of the money raised went to charities. It all went to paying employees and advertising.

      Beware!

    22. Re:Good deal... by linux_student · · Score: 1

      Amen to that indeed! If you can still see light through the mug(or you can still see the bottom) it isn't coffee!
      LS

    23. Re:Good deal... by adamjaskie · · Score: 1

      I even make my tea strong. Toss 3 bags of tea into the kettle, boil it for 10 minutes, and let it sit for 20 minutes, then wring the teabags out into the kettle, and drink.

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    24. Re:Good deal... by zulux · · Score: 1

      you have a job? programming computers? and at $200/hour?

      I'm really close to my customers - they can't out-source me.

      Just like auto workers can be out-sourced, but car mechanics can't.

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    25. Re:Good deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody got the climate data for Sweden and the US? I suspect the mean temperature has a pretty big effect on coffee consumption.

      Or better yet, the data for all cafeinated beverages. I know I shift toward iced tea in the warmer weather.

    26. Re:Good deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're doing the conversion wrong, last time I checked, 500 yen was worth four pesos, a nickle, and a button.

    27. Re:Good deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck? Parts of india (esp. the south) are full of coffee drinkers. There is level of (not so) thinly veiled racism against indians on slashdot that just sickens me. SFTU.

    28. Re:Good deal... by Zardoz44 · · Score: 1

      If your job can be replaced so easily and cheaply, then shouldn't you rethink your career? There would appear to be an oversupply of your particular expertise.

    29. Re:Good deal... by Phillup · · Score: 1

      And... more profit means more money to the foundation.

      Where in N. Idaho are you? I live in Coeur d'Alene...

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  14. How much is half the profit by Bananenrepublik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's great, except that they forgot to tell us how much money half the profit actually is. Prepare for the lame "Uhm, sorry, but actually we made zero profit with that coffee." excuses.

    1. Re:How much is half the profit by ihummel · · Score: 1

      Zero profit at around $10 a pound? Unlikely.

  15. Is this at by fuzzix · · Score: 0

    the expense of the farmers?

    1. Re:Is this at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont be a socialist.

  16. Re:Bloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please post these pointless and redundant lines of code you've found, and we'll remove them right away.

    Thanks,
    - The Mozilla Team

  17. Linky linky by edwardkung · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Here's a link to the story on MozillaZine: Link

  18. Re:Bloat by Moth7 · · Score: 1

    So we need active X and scripting vulnerabilities? o_0

  19. hey by Luke+Skyewalker · · Score: 1

    does this version of mozilla coffee come with a coffeemaker? or the kitchen sink?

    1. Re:hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs!)

    2. Re:hey by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Check those URLs!

      There is nothing wrong with the URL. Just looks like the page doesn't exist anymore.

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  20. Great, just what we need by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

    a gigantic lizard jumped up on caffeine

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  21. And news reports show... by fuckfuck101 · · Score: 0

    that the coffee is actually going to be given away for free to help the homeless population in New York City..

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  22. Flavored by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 5, Informative
    Now if they only offered some nice flavored coffees in the Mozilla Coffee section (and cheap shipping to Sweden).

    As a side note, I have found coffee strength in different countries to be interesting. I'm from N. America, and when I moved to the Czech Republic, my collegues would allows comment on how strong I made the coffee (they would also make 1/2 liter of tea with ONE tea bag--When I makes tea, I makes tea. When I makes water, I makes water--Finnegans Wake).

    Then I moved to Sweden. My in-laws quickly informed me that they only drink Skona roast by Zeagas (a VERY strong coffee blend) and showed me how to make it at their incredibly high strength level. All of my corporate English student who have been to the U.S. complains about the piss-weakness of the coffee there.

    1. Re:Flavored by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 0

      PS. I have a bad cold, so no comments/flames about horrible typos and English coming from an English teacher. ;-)

    2. Re:Flavored by CableModemSniper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Acording to the article you can actually get any of the coffees on the site and make a note about Mozilla and they will still get the money. Can't help with the shipping.

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    3. Re:Flavored by Seehund · · Score: 3, Funny

      When I makes tea, I makes tea. When I makes water, I makes water

      And when I makes coffee, I makes coffee-flavoured coffee. :)

      Re. your spelling-flame PS below, it's "skanerost" (=Scania roast) from e.g. Zoegas. And it's not very strong. Here endeth today's Swedish lesson. ;)

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    4. Re:Flavored by rossz · · Score: 0

      Flavored coffee? Maybe if you're a Euroweenie or Berkeley dyke you'll want some maple nut crunch coffee. I'll stick to coffee flavored coffee.

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    5. Re:Flavored by forkboy · · Score: 1

      it wasn't that funny when Denis Leary said it, and it isn't any funnier now.

      it's amazing how the bitterness of one coke-head drunken comic can infect thousands of seemingly intelligent beings.

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    6. Re:Flavored by zenyu · · Score: 1

      Then I moved to Sweden. My in-laws quickly informed me that they only drink Skona roast by Zeagas (a VERY strong coffee blend) and showed me how to make it at their incredibly high strength level. All of my corporate English student who have been to the U.S. complains about the piss-weakness of the coffee there.

      My lab had some visitors from Sweden last year. As a coffee lover^ and Scandinavian I warned my boss not to give them crappy coffee and give them the good stuff. Apparently I wasn't specific enough because she sent someone out to pick up Starbucks instead of coffee from the guy down the street who roasts a regional of the day every morning and serves up good strong cups of drip coffee in addition to the Italian preperations.* When given the Starbucks coffee they reacted as you might imagine, something akin to being given McDonalds by hosts that thought they were serving caviar. I asked my boss about it later and she thought the good coffee was too strong and the Starbucks had to be better since it costs twice as much!

      ^Ironically my grandmother and mother roasted coffee for a living for some years but liked their coffee pretty weak & my father drinks Robusta!

      *Saturdays have been the Jamaica Blue Mountain day for years. Yumm. Plus, if you buy beans the day's roast is 1/2 price.

  23. This is the right way! by ksheka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm surprised no one has thought of this before. We should support those that support open software.

    A retailer brands a product with Mozilla (or Linux, etc.), gives a large portion of the profit to the community, and advertises that they do it.

    The problem with previous implementations is that people don't buy too many T-shirts or mugs or things.

    Those that buy coffee buy lots of it. How about a bottled water for OpenOffice.org, or a line of soda for AbiWord?

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    1. Re:This is the right way! by Moth7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about a line of painkillers for Windows?

    2. Re:This is the right way! by kfuq · · Score: 1

      Someone should get on the phone with jolt cola right away!! |-)

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    3. Re:This is the right way! by Epistax · · Score: 1

      You need to look closely at these deals. You may have seen the yogurt ones. You return some piece of the container, and they donate $X to Y. However if you read the fine print, there is a maximum they will donate. The basic effect of this is if they sell 50,000,000 yogurts during the time period, there's a good chance only a hundred thousand or less will actually end up counting for any kind of donation.

      In the yogurt case, I'd advise not to use the ploy as a decisive reason to buy yogurt, but perhaps to pick one brand over another.

    4. Re:This is the right way! by soloport · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's "pane-killers", not "painkillers"

  24. Have you ever considered... by Krapangor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...to stop drinking coffee and send all the money to them instead.
    This would be much better for your health and for the project.

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    1. Re:Have you ever considered... by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Funny
      ...to stop drinking coffee and send all the money to them instead.

      Heretic! You can turn in your Geek ID on the way out, as you won't need it anymore...

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    2. Re:Have you ever considered... by mikeswi · · Score: 3, Funny

      stop drinking coffee and send all the money to them instead

      Never!

      You can have my intravenous coffee drip when you pull it from my cold, dead arm!

    3. Re:Have you ever considered... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you considered checking references?
      There doesn't appear to be any definitive proof either way.

      Articles that cite more in depth references:
      http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/tchen 3/health.html
      http://www.coffeeperks.com/health.html
      http://w ww.firstpath.com/scripts/cgiip.exe/story.h tml?article=1534
      http://www.cosic.org/health/preg nancy/

      You may have a high IQ, but you're still full of crap. ;)

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  25. Re:Drug Cartel OS ... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The use pirated copies of SCO Unix, of course.

  26. Re:Bloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A web browser, IMO, should be stripped to only what it needs.

    So who needs all those vulnerabilities?

  27. Great but... by MoeMoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm glad to see our addiction become our support, but I won't be satisfied till they release the source code to that "Worldly Lizard" blend, and pass it under the GPL...

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  28. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by kfuq · · Score: 1

    maybe true..

    BUT...


    most puter geeks drink coffee by the gallon anyway despite any health risks...


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  29. What is "fair"? by squarooticus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seems to me that "fair" is whatever they're able to get for it on the free market. Otherwise, there's some kind of favoritism/inverse rationing going on, which is hardly "fair" since not everyone is allowed to compete.

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    1. Re:What is "fair"? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 4, Informative
      which is hardly "fair" since not everyone is allowed to compete.

      Are you familiar with the concept of "Fair Trade Products"?

      Many coffee farmers around the world receive market payments that are lower than the costs of production, forcing them into a cycle of poverty and debt. Intensive coffee farming can also lead to pesticide pollution and deforestation.

      Fair Trade works to correct these imbalances by guaranteeing a minimum wage for small producers' harvests and by encouraging organic and sustainable cultivation methods. Fair trade farmers are provided badly needed credit and assured a minimum of $1.26 per pound. In comparison, the world price usually hovers around $1 per pound, but most farmers earn less than 50 cents per pound since they are forced to sell to exploitative middlemen. With the profits generated from receiving fair wages, coffee growers can invest in health, education, and environmental protection.

      It's about giving the consumer a choice. A bit like forcing (at least here in Europe) the manufacturer of GM food to clearly label their frankenfood honestly as "Genetically Manipulated". Here, the "Fair Trade" label helps a socially conscientious consumer to avoid exploitative producers.

    2. Re:What is "fair"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Communism to me. If growing coffee isn't profitable, get out of the coffee-growing business. Why should government subsidize stupidity?

    3. Re:What is "fair"? by Hard_Code · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're right. Everybody (i.e., large agribusiness) should be able to compete to exploit poor workers in countries with no human rights enforcement...

      "Fair" trade would only not be fair market if it were somehow subsidized to be as cheap as non-fair trade. If you look at its price it is obviously more expensive, and hence a direct relationship with its share of the market (although even more publicity is fine by me).

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    4. Re:What is "fair"? by squarooticus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My quibble is with the use of the word "fair," implying somehow that those who buy "fair-trade" coffee somehow have the higher moral ground. Of course, they can feel better about themselves that they are giving a miniscule number of coffee producers more money than the others are getting, but calling it "fair-trade" is simply propagandizing. Come up with some more accurate description, like "leftist feel-good" coffee.

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    5. Re:What is "fair"? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 1
      So you still didn't get what Fair Trade is about.

      Government doesn't subisidize Fair Trade products - consumers do. The product is slightly more expensive, but this guarantees reasonable income to the producers.

      I hope you do not have a problem with the consumer having a choice?

    6. Re:What is "fair"? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 1
      So your definition of the word "fair trade" is: getting the product out with least amount of expense - damn the human rights.

      You would have made a good slave-trader some centuries ago.

    7. Re:What is "fair"? by squarooticus · · Score: 1

      Nice straw man. Slavery is wrong because the people involved have no choice: they must continue to work by force of law, because they exist only as others' property. In the free market, everyone has a choice whether to work and and for how much: if they don't like what people are offering, they can refuse to accept it and do something else!

      I'm sure you see the difference, although I'm equally sure you'll refuse to acknowledge it on a conscious level, because you've conditioned yourself to believe that "low wage" is equivalent to "slavery," even though they are very different things.

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    8. Re:What is "fair"? by sakusha · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly skeptical about fair trade coffee and these charity deals. TMy local hippie coop sells only fair trade coffee, a long time ago I saw a brand advertised as "antiapartheid coffee" with a percentage of the profits to go to fighting apartheid. Of course this was 6 months after South Africa abolished apartheid.
      BTW, I've visited a coffee plantation in Columbia. The conditions for workers were appalling. Drying the beans involves spreading them out on large concrete pads that look like parking lots, the beans are spread by barefoot workers with pushbrooms. I do not want to consume a product that's been lodged between the sweaty toes of a Columbian laborer.

    9. Re:What is "fair"? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 1
      I'm sure you see the difference, although I'm equally sure you'll refuse to acknowledge it on a conscious level, because you've conditioned yourself

      Ah, a nice rhetorical play. If I see the difference, you've won. If I don't see any difference, I'm just conditioned and you win again.

      What makes you think that the coffee producers are living in a free market not to the utopian kind of a free market in the existence of which you seem to believe in. In the countries these people live in it's just not possible to "do something else" and make a profit. They are not living in a free market because they cannot refuse to sell their product - even at a loss.

    10. Re:What is "fair"? by squarooticus · · Score: 1

      Question: Is there someone forcing them at the point of a gun to produce coffee and sell it below cost?

      If the answer is "yes," then the problem is political, not economic. Perhaps you'd support an Iraq-style liberation? :)

      If the answer is "no," then it is not slavery! Just because someone needs something (e.g., more money, a house, food, etc.) doesn't mean they automatically deserve to get what they need from my pocket.

      Aside: I've found that the main difference between the left and the right on economic issues is that those on the left seek economic equality at the expense of freedoms while those on the right seek maximum freedom at the expense of economic equality. I am one of the latter, simply because the economy is based on invidivual, voluntary trades, so why should those who choose not to participate benefit from others' trades?

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    11. Re:What is "fair"? by nlinecomputers · · Score: 1

      In the countries these people live in it's just not possible to "do something else" and make a profit. They are not living in a free market because they cannot refuse to sell their product - even at a loss.

      So by only buying "Fair Trade" coffee you elevate a handful of poor coffee growers into slightly less poor coffee growers. What I ask do they do with the extra money? Can you tell me that? Other then splitting the lower class in two groups what have you accomplished?

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    12. Re:What is "fair"? by Saeger · · Score: 2, Funny
      I do not want to consume a product that's been lodged between the sweaty toes of a Columbian laborer.

      And I bet you'd have no problem consuming the grapes that've been squished into wine the traditional way -- between the sweaty toes of white laborers.

      That was the lamest copout; are you really such a germ freak? I hear Farmers Markets are cesspools too!

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    13. Re:What is "fair"? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If the answer is "yes," then the problem is political, not economic. Perhaps you'd support an Iraq-style liberation? If the answer is "no," then it is not slavery!

      So you've basically absolved yourself of any responsibility towards the people whose work brings a hot cup of coffee on your table every day? What a humanitarian.

      But of course, if we don't bother ourselves with ethics, one can take that stance. Nothing however puts you in the position to criticize people who think the current situation is wrong and these people deserve a fair pay for their products.

      I am one of the latter, simply because the economy is based on invidivual, voluntary trades, so why should those who choose not to participate benefit from others' trades?

      Huh? And how does the Fair Trade concept violate these principles?

    14. Re:What is "fair"? by heff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      when i first heard about the "Fair Trade" thing my first thought was that it was just another excuse to start a non - profit and then bully companies into buying 'licenses' or some crap. I still believe this today.

      My girlfriend works for a non profit and its amazing how the funds get sucked up into 'administrative costs' instead of actually going to the 'cause'.

      After all, if the non-profits fixed the problem they were trying to solve, they would by definition be out of business.

      And dont let them fool you, it's very much a business.

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    15. Re:What is "fair"? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 1
      What I ask do they do with the extra money? Can you tell me that?

      "With the profits generated from receiving fair wages, coffee growers can invest in health, education, and environmental protection."

      Other then splitting the lower class in two groups what have you accomplished?

      Well, getting even one half of the lowest class up to the next ladder is a good start. Secondly, encouraging people to buy Fair Trade products, hits the profit margins of the exploitative producers driving them either towards fair trade practises or out of business. If they try to treat the farmers even more brutally, they'll lose them to the fair trade programs and start to get even worse publicity.

    16. Re:What is "fair"? by sakusha · · Score: 0

      I don't drink wine, not machine made nor the kind with toejam additives.

    17. Re:What is "fair"? by squarooticus · · Score: 1

      : Huh? And how does the Fair Trade concept violate
      : these principles?

      It doesn't. Remember that my quibble is with the term "fair trade", not with the concept of people voluntarily paying more for coffee. :)

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    18. Re:What is "fair"? by buddha42 · · Score: 1
      Um... when suply exceeds demands, producers get less for their product.

      Am I missing something or is this most simple tenet of life beyond "fair trade" people.

    19. Re:What is "fair"? by nlinecomputers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "With the profits generated from receiving fair wages, coffee growers can invest in health, education, and environmental protection."

      And do they? I ask because many of these programs are just feel good bullshit designed to take money away from people that want to do the right thing. I.E. a con job.
      ]
      Other then splitting the lower class in two groups what have you accomplished?

      Well, getting even one half of the lowest class up to the next ladder is a good start. Secondly, encouraging people to buy Fair Trade products, hits the profit margins of the exploitative producers driving them either towards fair trade practises or out of business. If they try to treat the farmers even more brutally, they'll lose them to the fair trade programs and start to get even worse publicity.


      True but you also risk starting a class war in those places as the companies try to keep their hold on the status quo. You can end up doing more harm then good. Don't know if that is the case here as I honestly don't know enough about it to judge.

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    20. Re:What is "fair"? by Malcontent · · Score: 1

      "And dont let them fool you, it's very much a business."

      What a stupid post. Are you really saying there is no difference between a non profit and exxon or microsoft?

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    21. Re:What is "fair"? by Raafje · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On a larger scale, I'd say yes: supply and demand might keep prices in check (although it's still not the end all - be all rule of economy)
      On smaller scale (such as coffee bean farmers) producers can be forced into selling for less than (the fair) market price, because they can't reach the right markets without aid of traders.

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    22. Re:What is "fair"? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      I don't drink wine, not machine made nor the kind with toejam additives.

      Well, what do you drink? How about water? I'll bet you drink water.
      Most people drink water without ever realizing how disgusting water is.
      FISH SWIM IN IT!!!

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    23. Re:What is "fair"? by Peter+Eckersley · · Score: 1
      Hi squarooticus,

      do you actually have a clear definition of the word "fair", which you are using to determine that market prices are "fair", but "fair trade" prices are not?

    24. Re:What is "fair"? by heff · · Score: 1

      that's not what I'm saying at all.

      I'm merely suggesting that there is still a lot of "business" in terms of profit and loss, etc that takes place in a non-profit. They have to make money to stay alive. The more money they have the better. This is the same for profits and non-profits.

      Try taking away the salary of the ceo's of non-profits and see if they stick around.. that's where the charity ends.

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    25. Re:What is "fair"? by Malcontent · · Score: 1

      "I'm merely suggesting that there is still a lot of "business" in terms of profit and loss, etc that takes place in a non-profit."

      Well DUH of course there is a lot of "business". There is organization, money transfer, memberships to keep track of, spending, investing the list goes on and on. I don't see what this has anything to do with anything.

      "They have to make money to stay alive. The more money they have the better. This is the same for profits and non-profits."

      Again DUH!. Why is this news to anybody. The purpose of a non profit to raise funds for a cause. If the non profit is unable to raise funds then it folds.

      "Try taking away the salary of the ceo's of non-profits and see if they stick around.. that's where the charity ends."

      Where do you get the idea that every single person that works for a non profit must be a volunteer. I really don't see your point.

      I know you are trying to say something you think is profound but honestly I don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say. Are you saying that non profits should not deal with money? are you saying everybody who works for a non profit should be a vounteer?

      What?

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    26. Re:What is "fair"? by heff · · Score: 1

      you are really threatened by this discussion and that fascinates me.

      I've lost track of whatever the hell we were talking about and my girlfriend has just made cookies.

      That being said, I am going to go eat them and have a great evening.

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    27. Re:What is "fair"? by Malcontent · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You do that. It's probably easier then trying to explain your post.

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  30. Gourmet food descriptions crack me up... by f-matic · · Score: 2, Funny
    The whole exaggerated excessiveness of gourmet food advertising sometimes just makes me laugh. Does this description (from the RJ Tarpley site):

    We start by selecting 100% arabica beans from the worlds finest coffee growers. The coffee beans are then carefully roasted in small batches by our Master Roaster according to his exacting specifications and delivered to your front door.

    ...remind anyone else of the Simpsons's Good Morning Burger?

    We take eighteen ounces of sizzling ground beef, and soak it in rich, creamery butter, then we top it off with bacon, ham, and a fried egg. We call it the Good Morning Burger.

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    1. Re:Gourmet food descriptions crack me up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Crunchy Frog"
      We use only the finest baby frogs, due picked and flown from Iraq, cleansed in the finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and sealed in a ---- treble milk chocolate envelope, and lovingly frosted with glucose!

      "Ram's Bladder Cup!"
      We use choice ---- juicy chunks of fresh Cornish ram's bladder, emptied, steamed, flavored with sesame seeds, whipped into a fondue, and garnished with larks' vomit!

  31. They don't take AMEX... by kikensei · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So I can't order. :( Too bad, I was about to buy a couple of pounds.

  32. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by Chatmag · · Score: 2, Funny

    "most puter geeks drink coffee by the gallon anyway"

    Drink coffee???? I gave that up years ago.

    "Oh nurse, my IV caffeine drip is falling out again".

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  33. *sight* by Mourgos · · Score: 1

    anybody else noticed how they mispelled "site" as "sight" at the bottom?

  34. morons recommend supporting alternative browsers.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    operating systems, etc,,, in any fashion possible, to avoid the real possibility of a won browser wwworld. that would be ok too, if it (the won browser) wasn't the main tool of the Godless payper liesense stock markup FraUD georgewellian fuddite southern baptist freemason corepirate nazi execrable.

    use mozilla, & other alternative browsers. our logs indicate a groundswell of os/browser change, most likely, at present, due to the whoreabully infactdead BugWear(tm) suppLIEd buy the softwar gangsters of the felonious kingdumb.

    consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with (what's left in) yOUR wallet. more breathing. that's the spirit.

    tell 'em ROBBie. you're not really won of them?

  35. Remember spiderman? by Bananenrepublik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember how Stan Lee got nothing from the spiderman movies? ( /. story here) It's all a matter of creative accounting.

    1. Re:Remember spiderman? by ihummel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would hope that if they did try to pull some crap like that, Mozilla would blow the whistle that they're weren't getting anything out of the deal. A web-based business should fear thousands of enraged geeks.

  36. I agree by Openadvocate · · Score: 1

    That is always the case, do not confuse it with "half of what you pay for it".

    Yeay, way to troll moderators. get a clue

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  37. Re:Post Destined to be a Troll by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm confused. When did the Catholic Church start forbidding coffee?

    Regarding the Jesus quote:

    "They laughed at Aristotle. They laughed at Gallileo. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." --Carl Sagan

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  38. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by rifftide · · Score: 2, Funny
    More bad effects:
    • Mathematical theorems.
    • Newspaper articles.
    • People leaving their houses in the morning.
    • Software.
  39. Whats next? by neglige · · Score: 1

    Will Starbucks give you a free CD with the Mozilla code for every Moccha Macademia Nut Frappucino? Both is good stuff anyway...

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  40. mozilla coffee by sfraggle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, I cant drink that mozilla coffee. It bloats me up.

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    1. Re:mozilla coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their decaf should be called Firebird Lizard.

    2. Re:mozilla coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also has the problem of going down real slow.

  41. Aren't they cashing in on the Open Source Movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RJ Tarpleys is basically cashing in on the latest buzzwords so they can use it in advertising but not really giving anything back. They're making a profit at the expense of Open Source developers without "getting it". How much code have they really given back?

    (Ok now re-read the above statement, substituting "Apple" or "Sun" or whatever company you want that embraces open source but not everything they do is Open Source and makes a tidy profit on it (i.e. is "evil"))

    I admit I'm skeptical. Are they a company that truly believes in OpenSource and this is their goodwill gesture? Or are they trying to cash in Open Source mania (lol) to make a profit.

    It's a slippery slope. After all, doesn't buying an iPod support *BSD, KHTML, Zeroconf and others. Since developers listen to music a lot, shouldn't we all buy iPods because some of the profits go to some great Open Source projects?

  42. How about Lizard Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped drinking coffee a year ago because I've developed over sensitivity of caffeine. Don't ask how. I just know that if I drink a cup, I will have problem sleeping and if I drink two or more I start to shake like an old man with the Parkinsons disease.

    I found that tea doesn't give me that effect eventhough it contains chemicals which are caffeine cousins.

    So, Lipton or any other tea maker - care to make a new label? :)

  43. Great Marketing. by Soaps · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So they donate some of their profits in turn have an endless number of slasdot readers see their name, we buy a bag, i think they are banking on the number of bags sold making up for the lost profits. then they get great publicity on slashdot. somebody in their marketing will either get a fat bonus if it works or a boot to the curb if it flops

    1. Re:Great Marketing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Or maybe, just maybe, the owner likes Mozilla and wants to help? Not all business owners are heartless Machiavellian money grabbers. I am not saying it is completely alruistic, it is likely tax deductable, but to think the profit he makes off slashdotters is significant in the long run is silly. /. is a flash in the pan, any subject that is on the front page gets a lot of attention but for the majority of /. it is an "out of sight out of mind" thing. The marginal boost in sales they might get for a week or two is not that sigificant. Nice yes, but not as important as steady customers.

  44. RTFA!!! by phlyingpenguin · · Score: 1

    At least read the /. piece!! 1/2 of it goes to Mozilla, HALF!!! That is a lot of the price of that 10 dollar coffee when you use your brain cells to compute it!

    1. Re:RTFA!!! by ceejayoz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Half the profit, not the entire purchase price.

      If they make a profit of $0.10 on a $10.00 bag of coffee, Mozilla gets $0.05, not $5.00.

    2. Re:RTFA!!! by cheesyfru · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coffee roasters tend to make a huge profit on their wares. It's one of the most profitable places in the chain, which is why you see so many of them. Mozilla is probably getting a decent chunk out of the sale.

      Coffee addicts: You can get the same beans at half the price, roast them yourself with a popcorn popper at home and end up with fresher coffee. Sweet Maria's is a wonderful thing.

  45. And check out their privacy policy! by devphil · · Score: 4, Funny


    From their "Info" page:

    You can access all your personally identifiable information that we collect online and maintain by [description of the company access procedure]. We use this procedure to better safeguard your information.

    No, the square brackets are not editing on my part. That's what it actually says. :-)

    I might just drop him a polite word...

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  46. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can say the same thing about cocaine.

  47. Didn't help OpenCola... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though the recipe for their soft drink is still GPL'd; I've not seen many feature requests or bug fixes flowing into the community. Mayhap because it never had a bugzilla properly set-up and checking soda into CVS is difficult.

  48. Kill me now. by praksys · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the other hand people who drink coffee are much less likely to commit suicide. If you avoid all the unhealthy pleasures in life then your body might wind up in better shape, but you will wish you were dead.

  49. If you think this is expensive... by Stonent1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When's the last time you went to starbucks? Their whole bean coffee is about 15$ a bag around here.

    1. Re:If you think this is expensive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a damned fool would buy coffee from StarFucks!

    2. Re:If you think this is expensive... by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah but where I'm working at the moment, they happen to be the coffee vendor for our Cafeteria. Where am I working? Think of that other washington based company. :P

    3. Re:If you think this is expensive... by LittleBigLui · · Score: 1
      Think of that other washington based company.


      congress?
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    4. Re:If you think this is expensive... by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      Wrong coast!

    5. Re:If you think this is expensive... by LittleBigLui · · Score: 1

      ah you silly 'merkins with your confusing naming schemes :)

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  50. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by ksheka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, caffiene is one of the treatments for headaches. Look at the ingrediants for Excedrin (a medicine for migraine headaches), and it contains caffiene.

    Caffiene withdrawals, on the other hand, can cause headaches...

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  51. Re:Drug Cartel OS ... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SCO. duh.

  52. Hmmm by uarch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On University of Michigan's central campus alot of students raised a fuss and got the local coffee shops to offer fair trade coffee.

    Maybe someone should do the same for Mozilla coffee on the engineering campus. There are only two coffee shops up there and they go through ALOT of coffee. Besides, its all the EECS kids loading up on coffee before the shops close anyway ;)

  53. A great way to advertise, no? by AntiOrganic · · Score: 1

    Isn't this a great way to advertise? Instead of spending $500,000 a week for a TV spot on a national network, which is impossible for such a small business, you devote a small portion of your profits to an open-source software project, let Slashdot hear about it, and several million geeks have heard about your coffee and visited your website. People like your ethos, so they'll buy your coffee regardless of whether it's good or not.

    Then again, maybe I'm just a cynical little shit with no faith in American business.

  54. Great logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Loved it. They should also provide a skin. That'd be cool.

  55. Netcraft says... by mr.henry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are running FreeBSD. This sort of pandering doesn't really do much for me, but at least these guys aren't pitching their 'Mozilla Coffee' with IIS.

    1. Re:Netcraft says... by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 1

      Last I checked Mozilla wasn't a server. Now, if were "Apache Roast" and it was on IIS... then you'd have a point.

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  56. Europe is not about fair trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Choice?

    They ban US GM foods. Labelling isn't enough for Europe. They take away the choice from consumers.

    "Fair Trade" is just a label, like "coffee". If "Fair Trade coffee" becomes big, then producers will figure out how to exploit the producers just like they did with "coffee".

    I do encourage choice though. I just think some people are a little too easily sold on an unsupportable idea.

    1. Re:Europe is not about fair trade by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 2, Informative
      They ban US GM foods. Labelling isn't enough for Europe. They take away the choice from consumers.

      The GM food is banned in Europe right now because US corps refuse to have their products labelled as GM. They'd rather not import the products at all and try to force the issue through WTO. Labelling is EU's only requirement.

    2. Re:Europe is not about fair trade by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      No Europe has required GM foods to be clearly marked, but since the marking system hasnt been finished yet, this has been an effective ban and punished as such.

      The system has been delayed since US producers refuse to track the origins of their products, and there has therefore been a risk of having to label all US food products as GM. The US government ofcourse objected to this thus delaying the new system.

  57. "only half"? by Paisley+Phrog · · Score: 1

    "...only half of the profits..."

    What? Man, I can see that /your/ glass is half empty. I got a horse I wanna give you, you wanna peek in his mouth?

    Half of something is better than 10% of something, which is better than half of *nothing*.

    Just say "Thank You" to the nice man and move on.

    1. Re:"only half"? by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      What? Man, I can see that /your/ glass is half empty.

      Yeah, not to mention that this is a huge percentage of profits going to a charity from a corporate source. Usually you hear them saying, "a portion of the profits from this product go to charity X." Wanna know what that "portion" is? Usually not that much, say 5%-10%. 50% is HUGE.

  58. Re:Post Destined to be a Troll by BeatlesForum.com · · Score: 0, Troll

    Amen, Brother!

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  59. How many /.'ers bought some? by egott · · Score: 1

    I "clicked through" and made a purchase before even reading the comments (is it poor form to admit to reading the /. comments?).

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    1. Re:How many /.'ers bought some? by FryGuy1013 · · Score: 1

      I think it may be poorer form to admit to reading the article when posting a comment.

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  60. Religious discrimination... by Anonymous+Shepard · · Score: 1

    ...against Mormons?

    I wonder, does it have anything to do with SCO being in Utah?

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  61. That is why they are named _starbucks_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, thats right, you hear it in the name...read the subject!

  62. Re:Post Destined to be a Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ameen for what, he didnt make a prayer! Ameen means "O Lord fullfill this [prayer] !"

  63. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the solution is to put the coffiene back =) What a smart way of selling headache pills!

  64. Microsoft did this, too. by nobodyman · · Score: 4, Funny
    Before the launch of Windows 98, Microsoft did had a promotional thing where they sold "Windows 98 Roast" at Borders bookstore locations. Here's a good article about it. When I saw it at the counter, it was too good of an opportunity to not crack a joke.
    "Who the hell wants coffee with bugs in it?
    The clerk wasn't amused, but I was chuckling for the rest of the evening.

    So, don't let anyone ever tell you that Microsoft didn't support java.
  65. Re:in societ russia... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 0, Funny

    > Step 1. Look down at your keyboard.
    > Step 2. Notice that the "c" and "v" keys are right next to each other.
    > Step 3. Quit being a spelling Nazi and do something with your life.

    Step 4. PROFIT! :)

    (I can't believe you didn't complete that!)

  66. Coffe tips by BuR4N · · Score: 1

    You should try the "Mollbergs blandning" also from Zoega, it's as strong as (legal) coffe gets :O)

    Here is the link to the makers http://www.zoegas.se

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  67. Half is Huge! by JasonAsbahr · · Score: 1

    "Only half the profits"? That's a huge percentage.

    Admittedly it does matter how they calculate profit (I'd guess minimally ( sale price - (cost-of-goods + cost of employee time per shipment) ).

  68. Re:Raiseing money for OSS is good, but please by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 1

    Thats more due to a number of things .
    Caffine speeds up the reaction time of most medicines (I take my pain killers with coffee and it works a bit faster .) .Some pain killers can make you very drowsy , caffine helps to counter act those affects temporarly .
    Caffine in and off its self doesnt help a headache , if any thing in can make it worse (if you forget to drink enough water. Caffine causes you to become dehyradated in large amounts and dehydration isnt the best way to make the pain in your head go away) .

  69. Only half? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you insane?

    If half of the profits go to Mozilla, I'm wondering if the owner is RMS himself!

  70. $20/kg coffee? by Idaho · · Score: 1

    1 pound = 453.59237 grams, so at $9.50/pound a kilogram would cost over 20 bucks.

    Holy shit...at such prices, that coffee'd better be damn good! I buy coffee for like $6 - $8 or something.

    However, it's a nice publicity stunt, and hopefully a good way to earn some bucks for the Mozilla foundation.

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  71. Put in my order by malus · · Score: 1

    I just put in my order for 1lb. of the Non-decaf, whole-bean vareties. Considering that I pay about $10-11 per lb anyway, this is a pretty good deal. Now, if a Micro-brew would do the same...

  72. Re:Flavored - Finnegans Wake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, wasn't that Ulysses?

  73. Profit... by gordgekko · · Score: 1
    Only half the profits go to Mozilla...

    Which is more than Mozilla ever made anyway...

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  74. Re:Drug Cartel OS ... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  75. Anyone else use this? by chornobyl · · Score: 1

    Anyone else use these beans? http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/3261/

  76. Mountain Dew!!! by va1entino · · Score: 1

    I prefer Mountain Dew for my caffeine fix.

  77. Mozilla Firebird coffee by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

    Man, I cant drink that mozilla coffee. It bloats me up.

    Maybe they should have a Mozilla Firebird coffee.

  78. Either way... by MikeCapone · · Score: 2

    Either way, the Mozilla Org gets money that it probably wouldn't have got otherwise, and you've got coffee.

    I think this offsets any problem...

  79. I submitted the story and... by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

    I agree. I shouldn't have written that... 50% *is* huge.

    Oh well, too late now...

    I'm just glad that some people are supporting the Mozilla Foundation. I think they're doing a great job, especially with Firebird.

  80. "but the coffee seems good..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you've actually seen this coffee? Wow!

  81. mmm coffee by Lhet · · Score: 0

    I think that's a wonderful idea. Lots of mozilla users drink coffee, and mozilla is struggling. Great idea tho

  82. Recipie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know what part of the lizard they use to make this coffee out of?

  83. Well sort of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Now, if a Micro-brew would do the same..."

    Well I figure $1 a pint Thursdays at the local uBrew allow me to send some extra money to my favorite charities.

  84. Konazilla! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want my 100% Peaberry Kona.

  85. gah... by mikeee · · Score: 1

    The coffee growers' problem isn't eeevil capitalists exploiting them; it's that US and European farmers are so heavily subsidized that world markets are flooded with anything they can grow at artificially low prices.

    If you're a 3rd world farmer, one good way to avoid getting crushed by these subsidies is to grow coffee, which won't grow in northern climates. Unfortunately, there isn't that big a coffee market, and once enough folks cut over to coffee the price collapsed. It's still more money than they'd make selling corn, though...

  86. minor correction by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Here, the "Fair Trade" label helps a socially conscientious consumer to avoid exploitative producers. or encourage them. :)

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  87. Moch frog by geekoid · · Score: 1

    It reminds me of the confectionary store sketch from monty pthon. I don't have a link, and If I tried to quote the whole thing, i'd buther it.

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  88. Re:Flavored - Finnegans Wake? by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1
    Yes, it was. I blame my bad cold for the error.

    That's my excuse, and I'm stickin' with it!

  89. I got some! by TheNumberSix · · Score: 1

    I ordered some of the Mozilla coffee (Worldly Lizard Blend).

    It arrived via US Mail in a few days and it's very good if you prefer a hearty, strong blend.

    I like it.

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