I don't dispute the obvious nature of the con. On the contrary, I find it a tad offensive. Does this Elmtree really believe we're that desperate/gullible?
I doubt it. My guess is somebody didn't do their homework on what goes on in the slashdot forums, but thought they'd get cute with an attempt at self-starting viral marketing anyway.
If this turned out to involve actual slash-payola, I'll be leaving, with no goodbyes or regrets. I can live with sloppy editing and a linux bias, because slashdot still brings me stories I wouldn't see otherwise. I do not, however, come here for prepackaged news stories. I have major media outlets for that sort of mind-rot.
I'm guessing you've never worked a support desk and are just talking out of your ass.
You are on/. and therefore, at least moderately geeky. Presumably, this gives you the ability to handle a computer responsibly.
The avg user is not geeky and runs a computer like a playground with no rules, therefore they encounter an unbelievable number of crashes. Trust the help desk monkeys, crashes occur frequently, if you let them.
That's no solution at all. The AIM virus is spread by contacting people on the victim's buddy list. How many people on your buddy list don't have you on their buddy list? If a virus could be spread simply by receiving the IM, your plan is useless
Since I'm not likely to get another opportunity, let me just say a big thank you from all of the people at my helpdesk. The aimfix tool saves our bacon every time the AIM virus goes through a new variation (which happens just about once a month on our campus).
The worm (or trojan horse or whatever) is always named lockx.exe. I work at a help desk, and I can tell you from experience that it's incredibly easy to detect and remove (at least, in this incarnation). Lockx is almost always in the root directory, and when it's not there, I've actually seen it placed on the desktop. I'm not sure if it's just the weirdass users on my campus or what, but those are just about the only places I ever see it.
Removal is simple, just download Jay Loden's Aimfix, run it in safe mode, delete the EliteToolBar adware from the Windows directory, and check your startups. Removal takes about 5 minutes, tops.
Apparently there was some question as to whether or not the interior of the car represented a protected space, like one's home. The law was to clarify that it was indeed not a protected space.
Not cars, but think about all the SUVs, mini-vans and trucks that come with built-in DVD players these days. I see them all the time on the interstate these days.
The is on the books because it is essentially displaying porn in public. Passing motorists of all ages will see the porn, whether they desire to or not, and they have no ability to turn off the offending video. I didn't think it was that big a deal myself, but I've heard stories to the contrary.
Anyway, that's the idea. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you.
Bill is a businessman. This is a business move, calulated to improve Microsoft's image in the market by fictionally aligning them with those of us who dislike the MPAA's efforts to force DRM on us. If the MPAA's DRM effort was to somehow benefit Microsoft, Bill would be conspicuously silent. All he's doing is making a statement. A statement in which he proposes no eventualities other than the one that would benefit him over the other guy.
Bill doesn't care about geek people. Bill cares about his bottom line, and that's as it should be. I'm not indicting the man for his words, I'm a capitalist with a business degree, but let's not fall all over ourselves trying to figure out his motives when the problem isn't that complex.
I probably would agree, but fortunately, my involvement with the machines was over after the installation was complete. From there on, it's the user's problem.
I've never tried XP or 2000 on a 486, but I would be willing to bet it'd run fine (NT certainly did). Anyone else tested this?
I believe one of my formers coworkers tried once, for a belligerent customer at my old help desk job. IIRC, The system crapped itself immediately.
Did it on "classic" pentiums plenty of times, too. As you say, with enough memory, it ran well enough...as long as the user wasn't doing any more than Office apps. I wouldn't put XP on anything lower than a 233, myself, but we did one 133, IIRC.
Wait, I'm not properly dressed for this...let me go find my Oliver Twist rags...
Thanks for the charity, Mr. Samaritan, but I'm ok. Now, as edifying and rewarding as this thread has been, I'm off to do something more productive. Like stare at my toes.
Wow, you should teach government accounting. Your math is simultaneously ridiculous, unrealistic, and useless, and yet you're presumably able to give such numbers with a straight face.
Listen, in the real world, additional data isn't sold by the Gb. It's sold in preset sizes that have preset prices. Those prices are significantly higher than 10c, and you damn well know that, so stop playing the smartass.
Regardless, you're deliberately ignoring the point. My space is my space, and the.Net install package is far too large a file for any program to be downloading without my express permission. Feel free to respond when you're not being deliberately obtuse.
I think maybe you are. The point isn't that the.Net install is so large. The point is that a malware coder has the gall to sneak 100mb onto your pc. Think of the repercussions to those of us on DialUp. Especially those who would never really understand why everything on their computer just slowed to a crawl.
For something I didn't ask for? That's fucking gigantic.
I love it when I get confronted with so much superiority it drips off...glad you have the money to buy new toys, but maybe (and I'm just postulating here) 100 mb still means something to the loads and loads of people out there who don't have money to burn.
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It looks retarded.
triggerhappy :)
I don't dispute the obvious nature of the con. On the contrary, I find it a tad offensive. Does this Elmtree really believe we're that desperate/gullible?
I doubt it. My guess is somebody didn't do their homework on what goes on in the slashdot forums, but thought they'd get cute with an attempt at self-starting viral marketing anyway.
If this turned out to involve actual slash-payola, I'll be leaving, with no goodbyes or regrets. I can live with sloppy editing and a linux bias, because slashdot still brings me stories I wouldn't see otherwise. I do not, however, come here for prepackaged news stories. I have major media outlets for that sort of mind-rot.
This is nothing more than an underhanded marketing attempt, piggybacking on a genuine virus alert. OOoo...the shadiness...
This is nothing more than an underhanded marketing attempt, piggybacking on a genuine virus alert. OOoo...the shadiness...
I'm guessing you've never worked a support desk and are just talking out of your ass.
/. and therefore, at least moderately geeky. Presumably, this gives you the ability to handle a computer responsibly.
You are on
The avg user is not geeky and runs a computer like a playground with no rules, therefore they encounter an unbelievable number of crashes. Trust the help desk monkeys, crashes occur frequently, if you let them.
That's no solution at all. The AIM virus is spread by contacting people on the victim's buddy list. How many people on your buddy list don't have you on their buddy list? If a virus could be spread simply by receiving the IM, your plan is useless
Since I'm not likely to get another opportunity, let me just say a big thank you from all of the people at my helpdesk. The aimfix tool saves our bacon every time the AIM virus goes through a new variation (which happens just about once a month on our campus).
Seriously, thanks a ton.
The worm (or trojan horse or whatever) is always named lockx.exe. I work at a help desk, and I can tell you from experience that it's incredibly easy to detect and remove (at least, in this incarnation). Lockx is almost always in the root directory, and when it's not there, I've actually seen it placed on the desktop. I'm not sure if it's just the weirdass users on my campus or what, but those are just about the only places I ever see it.
Removal is simple, just download Jay Loden's Aimfix, run it in safe mode, delete the EliteToolBar adware from the Windows directory, and check your startups. Removal takes about 5 minutes, tops.
If you're looking for Rootkits, why not use the Rootkit Revealer program by the same group?
Apparently there was some question as to whether or not the interior of the car represented a protected space, like one's home. The law was to clarify that it was indeed not a protected space.
Not cars, but think about all the SUVs, mini-vans and trucks that come with built-in DVD players these days. I see them all the time on the interstate these days.
The is on the books because it is essentially displaying porn in public. Passing motorists of all ages will see the porn, whether they desire to or not, and they have no ability to turn off the offending video. I didn't think it was that big a deal myself, but I've heard stories to the contrary.
Anyway, that's the idea. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you.
Bill is a businessman. This is a business move, calulated to improve Microsoft's image in the market by fictionally aligning them with those of us who dislike the MPAA's efforts to force DRM on us. If the MPAA's DRM effort was to somehow benefit Microsoft, Bill would be conspicuously silent. All he's doing is making a statement. A statement in which he proposes no eventualities other than the one that would benefit him over the other guy. Bill doesn't care about geek people. Bill cares about his bottom line, and that's as it should be. I'm not indicting the man for his words, I'm a capitalist with a business degree, but let's not fall all over ourselves trying to figure out his motives when the problem isn't that complex.
The sad thing is I'm so bushed that for a moment or two I actually wondered what a TV show was doing with a CAD program.
Bed. Now.
Having worked a college help desk, I can tell you with some confidence that this happens waaaay too often...
Somebody better cache this thing quick. Looks like the server is crying already.
Crybaby.
I probably would agree, but fortunately, my involvement with the machines was over after the installation was complete. From there on, it's the user's problem.
I've never tried XP or 2000 on a 486, but I would be willing to bet it'd run fine (NT certainly did). Anyone else tested this?
I believe one of my formers coworkers tried once, for a belligerent customer at my old help desk job. IIRC, The system crapped itself immediately.
Did it on "classic" pentiums plenty of times, too. As you say, with enough memory, it ran well enough...as long as the user wasn't doing any more than Office apps. I wouldn't put XP on anything lower than a 233, myself, but we did one 133, IIRC.
Wait, I'm not properly dressed for this...let me go find my Oliver Twist rags... Thanks for the charity, Mr. Samaritan, but I'm ok. Now, as edifying and rewarding as this thread has been, I'm off to do something more productive. Like stare at my toes.
Wow, you should teach government accounting. Your math is simultaneously ridiculous, unrealistic, and useless, and yet you're presumably able to give such numbers with a straight face.
.Net install package is far too large a file for any program to be downloading without my express permission. Feel free to respond when you're not being deliberately obtuse.
Listen, in the real world, additional data isn't sold by the Gb. It's sold in preset sizes that have preset prices. Those prices are significantly higher than 10c, and you damn well know that, so stop playing the smartass.
Regardless, you're deliberately ignoring the point. My space is my space, and the
I think maybe you are. The point isn't that the .Net install is so large. The point is that a malware coder has the gall to sneak 100mb onto your pc. Think of the repercussions to those of us on DialUp. Especially those who would never really understand why everything on their computer just slowed to a crawl.
I love it when I get confronted with so much superiority it drips off...glad you have the money to buy new toys, but maybe (and I'm just postulating here) 100 mb still means something to the loads and loads of people out there who don't have money to burn.
Dickhead.
My personal opinion is that these pop-ups are generally the kind to install crap through Active-X. No proof, just a hunch.
I think you missed the commentor's attempt at levity, mein freund.
YAY! Rational thought on this subject has been sorely lacking. I applaud you for using your brain.