Well lemme throw my specs in (this is my office PC,my home machine is 3 orders of magnitude faster).
I'm running Mandriva on a Dell T-500. 128 Mb RAM, Katmai P-3 processor (500 MHz, 512 kb cache) &..
You have a 500,000 Megahertz processor at work?
(Or 3 orders of magnitude in base 2 would work out to roughly 4,096 Mhz)
Shouldn't we fix a little problem first before going final?!?
I've been using Deer Park/1.5 (1.61a) since Beta 2 on OSX and BeOS.
A major problem with 1.5 with every version under Apples OSX is the need to Force Quit it (sometimes several times a day.)
The problem only occurs when the render engine is trying to plop up a menu OVER the web page (such as the AdBlock menu in the lower right, or even Firefox itself trying to helpfully suggest past entries from a spindown list when I'm typing into a field or URL.
It seems to be a race condition as I have a lot of tabs generally open and the "stuck" menu entries will float above the web browser page and will show over other application windows (such as Finder) which are moved over the top of the Firefox window.
I've had this happen on:
266 Mhz, 196 Meg RAM, OSX 10.2
266 Mhz, 512 Meg RAM, OSX 10.3
And have even heard of this happening (from a recent post through OSNews):
As this is NOT a crash, the crash reporter never springs into action (though the crash reporter DOES send information on how many "start ups" vs. "shut downs" the user has done.
And I really can't detect if this problem has been reported yet due to the design of the Mozilla bug page and search.
Shouldn't we fix this one LITTLE problem before proclaiming victory?
(The memory pig problem would be nice too but I won't hold my breath..)
I'm posting this here as I don't really know how to voice a complaint or how many other people this is affecting.
Firefox, used with NoScript, AdBlock Plus, and FilterSetG is the most enjoyable experience I've ever had on the web.
As a 1.5 user I can't answer this one as there is a good way to get rid of Flash ads (and all other ads) without eliminating Flash.
1. Install the extension NoScript. 2. Install the extension AdBlock Plus. (google for it) 3. Restart Firefox. 4. Download FilterSetG (a filter text file, google for it) and load it into Adblock using it's preferences.
Browse, ad, Flash, Movie, etc. free on the web.
Much faster and drastically reduces Firefox's RAM consumption.
Folks are going to think this comment is rather blue sky, but the only thing which matters is your Information and *Access to your Information*.
A catchy term for this could be called "Info Spaces". (I didn't invent that.)
Imagine you have a computer tucked away in your basement which only exists to hold any and all information you have ever referenced or created. (Or you could use a public utility.)
Computers in your house let you access your Information, as do wireless laptops, networked screens, and PDA's..
As does your cell phone or PDA when you are away from home..
As does a screen at the library, work, coffee shop, or school.
As does an Info Room at home, work, the airport or hotel (full video conferencing.)
As does a regular POTs phone at the street corner (If any still exist).
The application really will be a slightly important thing as it provides an interface to the information you wish to manipulate. As all data in this world will be Open Format in this fantasy world (with translators for outdated closed formats.) You will have your choice of interfaces [applications], including fetching your favorite program from your home server written in universal executables (or even outdated binaries) which are translated on the fly to whatever terminal or server your are accessing your Info Space from.
The whole Computer, CPU, OS, Network, Application thing is utterly meaningless.
Only your Information and it's context are important.
What IS required for this to exist is a secure, reliable, failsafe, private, non-IP encumbered way to blat these Info Objects and their relationships all over the globe without exposing anyone to invasion, risks, or corruption of their INFORMATION.
I guess you'll also need the ability to perfectly identify an individual as well. (Oops.. there goes privacy?)
I do realize that is an unattainable goal and against the corporate and even government interests.
A few days ago on OSNews I noticed this following news article to No MS won't, Yes MS will, No MS won't..
http://o3.phase-n.com/index.html
Microsoft is irrevelent as to if it want's to add support for Open Document Format.
We, the Open Source community CAN add it ourselves..
The problem with SVG is that although it is an open standard and integrates with XML based web page design, can be used for charts, graphs, and animation (think Flash), and can give you a fully scalable web page (i.e. resize your page and the graphics as well as the layout scales; it is implemented in almost nothing except Opera in the past month or two.
Chicken and egg problem.
Oh yes. Unlike flash or graphics, textual and meta information content *within* your SVG can be fully searched externally with search engines.
Additionally, your bandwidth goes down if you chuck GIFs and other graphics commenly used for web page layout.
The main problem is twofold, the lack of tools to create SVG's (though you can write it up in a text editor just like HTML, and the fact that your lovely SVG graphics will display in nearly nothing.
It is worrying that Firefox and Mozilla do not yet support these formats nativly!
I don't know where to go to check if this is on the roadmap or not (someone elsewhere claims it is due for 1.5 of Firefox) but it needs to be.
As Microsoft has their own proprietary format, it is only going to support SVG under gunpoint, and now is the time for SVG to be in our Mozilla browsers (available on almost *every* platform).
As good open source users here, you should demand it's implementation in the Mozilla browsers family now!
They have had one of the best web browsers for the Macintosh platform for years though their version 2.X browsers could not render CSS based web sites properly.
Their new version 3 beta which came out about two months ago is fully up to date with web technologies.
And iCab (almost) does not crash, though if it does fold up, you can immediately relaunch it, even in Classic Mac OS as a disc check immediatly afterword has never found any disk damage from the iCab application.
Also very *very* nice is the ability to archive a web site into a single file on your disk, (which Apple has just adapted in Safari in Tiger).
The cost is $29 US and can be used for free in a non-commercial environment.
If you are running version 7 of Mac OS, you can still get their older 2.x browser which still runs like a champ.
You can actually only run Mac OS's which will run on 68K systems.
Many Mac programs broke with the improvements to the Mac operating system.
Several classic adventure games will not behave too well with OS8 as Apple quietly changed the behaviour of pull down menus to the Microsoft style "sticky" menus.
Many interesting and never updated classic Mac applications will *NOT* run under OS9. I've several drafting and 3D apps which are perfectly happy in 7.6.1 (a happy medium) but won't work under 9.
Most all of the later games run in PPC mode only for speed and thus but will not run under Mac OS 6 or earlier (which can be run on a 68K emulator).
I've heard that many ancient educational applications still in use are not runnable under OS9/OSX and this is quite a big problem for schools.
The interesting thing about Classic Mac running PPC was that the computer emulated the 68xxx processors so well, it was actually faster to run a 68xxx application on a Power PC processer as the speeds got better.
Apple has been using emulation technology in it's Macs since 1992 without the user even caring.
The one problem with the emulated 68xxx processor was applications which required a math co-processor chip. That the emulator wouldn't do even though the PPC had it's own math co-processor built in as they were of different standards.
Of course you could always load an extension which would emulate the Motorola Math Processor. (The free version written in 68xxx code and was thus running in an emulator itself!)
What, Windows isn't pre-installed on PowerBooks? That's advocating privacy!
Actually now Windows does come preinstalled on a Powerbook..
Since Microsoft bought the rights to Virtual PC, you can no longer purchase the program with DOS preinstalled.
When I heard that MS had bought Virtual PC, I stopped dithering and went out and bought the DOS version from my local Apple Retailer. It came with the far superior PC DOS 2000 from IBM.
I think a package which came with a Linux was also available but am not sure..
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I've been using Deer Park/1.5 (1.61a) since Beta 2 on OSX and BeOS.
A major problem with 1.5 with every version under Apples OSX is the need to Force Quit it (sometimes several times a day.)
The problem only occurs when the render engine is trying to plop up a menu OVER the web page (such as the AdBlock menu in the lower right, or even Firefox itself trying to helpfully suggest past entries from a spindown list when I'm typing into a field or URL.
It seems to be a race condition as I have a lot of tabs generally open and the "stuck" menu entries will float above the web browser page and will show over other application windows (such as Finder) which are moved over the top of the Firefox window.
I've had this happen on:
266 Mhz, 196 Meg RAM, OSX 10.2
266 Mhz, 512 Meg RAM, OSX 10.3
And have even heard of this happening (from a recent post through OSNews):
http://www.nonstopmac.com/2005/11/the_reasons_beh
G5, 1 Gig (2 Gig) RAM OSX 10.4
So it's not the age of my systems.
As this is NOT a crash, the crash reporter never springs into action (though the crash reporter DOES send information on how many "start ups" vs. "shut downs" the user has done.
And I really can't detect if this problem has been reported yet due to the design of the Mozilla bug page and search.
Shouldn't we fix this one LITTLE problem before proclaiming victory?
(The memory pig problem would be nice too but I won't hold my breath..)
I'm posting this here as I don't really know how to voice a complaint or how many other people this is affecting.
Firefox, used with NoScript, AdBlock Plus, and FilterSetG is the most enjoyable experience I've ever had on the web.
> Has this been fixed in 1.5?
As a 1.5 user I can't answer this one as there is a good way to get rid of Flash ads (and all other ads) without eliminating Flash.
1. Install the extension NoScript.
2. Install the extension AdBlock Plus. (google for it)
3. Restart Firefox.
4. Download FilterSetG (a filter text file, google for it) and load it into Adblock using it's preferences.
Browse, ad, Flash, Movie, etc. free on the web.
Much faster and drastically reduces Firefox's RAM consumption.
Folks are going to think this comment is rather blue sky, but the only thing which matters is your Information and *Access to your Information*.
A catchy term for this could be called "Info Spaces". (I didn't invent that.)
Imagine you have a computer tucked away in your basement which only exists to hold any and all information you have ever referenced or created. (Or you could use a public utility.)
Computers in your house let you access your Information, as do wireless laptops, networked screens, and PDA's..
As does your cell phone or PDA when you are away from home..
As does a screen at the library, work, coffee shop, or school.
As does an Info Room at home, work, the airport or hotel (full video conferencing.)
As does a regular POTs phone at the street corner (If any still exist).
The application really will be a slightly important thing as it provides an interface to the information you wish to manipulate. As all data in this world will be Open Format in this fantasy world (with translators for outdated closed formats.) You will have your choice of interfaces [applications], including fetching your favorite program from your home server written in universal executables (or even outdated binaries) which are translated on the fly to whatever terminal or server your are accessing your Info Space from.
The whole Computer, CPU, OS, Network, Application thing is utterly meaningless.
Only your Information and it's context are important.
What IS required for this to exist is a secure, reliable, failsafe, private, non-IP encumbered way to blat these Info Objects and their relationships all over the globe without exposing anyone to invasion, risks, or corruption of their INFORMATION.
I guess you'll also need the ability to perfectly identify an individual as well. (Oops.. there goes privacy?)
I do realize that is an unattainable goal and against the corporate and even government interests.
But it is an interesting goal nevertheless.
Now please do tell me exactly why I'm wrong...
A few days ago on OSNews I noticed this following news article to No MS won't, Yes MS will, No MS won't.. http://o3.phase-n.com/index.html Microsoft is irrevelent as to if it want's to add support for Open Document Format. We, the Open Source community CAN add it ourselves..
Thanks for mentioning this, you beat me to it.
The problem with SVG is that although it is an open standard and integrates with XML based web page design, can be used for charts, graphs, and animation (think Flash), and can give you a fully scalable web page (i.e. resize your page and the graphics as well as the layout scales; it is implemented in almost nothing except Opera in the past month or two.
Chicken and egg problem.
Oh yes. Unlike flash or graphics, textual and meta information content *within* your SVG can be fully searched externally with search engines.
Additionally, your bandwidth goes down if you chuck GIFs and other graphics commenly used for web page layout.
The main problem is twofold, the lack of tools to create SVG's (though you can write it up in a text editor just like HTML, and the fact that your lovely SVG graphics will display in nearly nothing.
It is worrying that Firefox and Mozilla do not yet support these formats nativly!
I don't know where to go to check if this is on the roadmap or not (someone elsewhere claims it is due for 1.5 of Firefox) but it needs to be.
As Microsoft has their own proprietary format, it is only going to support SVG under gunpoint, and now is the time for SVG to be in our Mozilla browsers (available on almost *every* platform).
As good open source users here, you should demand it's implementation in the Mozilla browsers family now!
Oh, yes. I just discovered this link yesterday:
http://www.inkscape.org/
Go visit and play. It's an open source effort to create an SVG editing tool. Looks very well along in it's efforts too.
Web browsing not up to date?
If you are a Mac user you should go visit iCab's web site:
http://www.icab.de/
They have had one of the best web browsers for the Macintosh platform for years though their version 2.X browsers could not render CSS based web sites properly.
Their new version 3 beta which came out about two months ago is fully up to date with web technologies.
And iCab (almost) does not crash, though if it does fold up, you can immediately relaunch it, even in Classic Mac OS as a disc check immediatly afterword has never found any disk damage from the iCab application.
Also very *very* nice is the ability to archive a web site into a single file on your disk, (which Apple has just adapted in Safari in Tiger).
The cost is $29 US and can be used for free in a non-commercial environment.
If you are running version 7 of Mac OS, you can still get their older 2.x browser which still runs like a champ.
A problem here.
You can actually only run Mac OS's which will run on 68K systems.
Many Mac programs broke with the improvements to the Mac operating system.
Several classic adventure games will not behave too well with OS8 as Apple quietly changed the behaviour of pull down menus to the Microsoft style "sticky" menus.
Many interesting and never updated classic Mac applications will *NOT* run under OS9. I've several drafting and 3D apps which are perfectly happy in 7.6.1 (a happy medium) but won't work under 9.
Most all of the later games run in PPC mode only for speed and thus but will not run under Mac OS 6 or earlier (which can be run on a 68K emulator).
I've heard that many ancient educational applications still in use are not runnable under OS9/OSX and this is quite a big problem for schools.
The interesting thing about Classic Mac running PPC was that the computer emulated the 68xxx processors so well, it was actually faster to run a 68xxx application on a Power PC processer as the speeds got better.
Apple has been using emulation technology in it's Macs since 1992 without the user even caring.
The one problem with the emulated 68xxx processor was applications which required a math co-processor chip. That the emulator wouldn't do even though the PPC had it's own math co-processor built in as they were of different standards.
Of course you could always load an extension which would emulate the Motorola Math Processor. (The free version written in 68xxx code and was thus running in an emulator itself!)
Wheee!
Actually now Windows does come preinstalled on a Powerbook..
Since Microsoft bought the rights to Virtual PC, you can no longer purchase the program with DOS preinstalled.
When I heard that MS had bought Virtual PC, I stopped dithering and went out and bought the DOS version from my local Apple Retailer. It came with the far superior PC DOS 2000 from IBM.
I think a package which came with a Linux was also available but am not sure..