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55 Operating Systems On A PowerBook
OttoMagick writes "I found an article called 'Many Systems on One Machine' over at Kernelthread.com that shows over 55 operating systems running on a 17inch Powerbook. The article includes screenshots and descriptions of each system, and also hacks and tips on getting the nasty ones installed. The author Amit Singh (the Hanoimania guy, covered earlier on Slashdot) explains his reasons for all this in a related FAAQ (frequently asked + anticipated questions) ... In all a very interesting read, specially the FAAQ, where he calls the setup "the iPod of operating systems". Now thats an Apple Power User! I wonder what Steve Jobs would say if he sees people doing such things to his machines!!"
Now, run every single possible emulator available for each OS (from Sinclair Spectrum to CP/M to Atari 8-bit to N-64). That would multiply whatever "wow!" factor is involved here.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
...why couldn't the bastard just buy 55 laptops instead ?
"...each system, and also hacks and tips on getting the nasty ones installed. "
As soon as I saw "nasty ones" mentioned, I checked the list: Yes, Windows ME is on it.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Wonder where i could get a job like his?
and I bet Windows ME is still the worst!
From one with lots of experience with many operating systems:
I find Mac OS X to be the most productivity enhancing operating environment that I have used - ever. Mac OS X is my "primary" operating system, although I do not use, nor have ever used, any Apple systems for or at work.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." - Jack Nicholson
So I guess we can now put that FUD in the trash bin, together with "beleaguered computer company"
He lists Windows 1-3 in that list... those aren't OSes. And he left out Microsoft BOB if he's going to count <Windows 95 as OSes.
Notice his homepage log already includes the entry "Slashdotted"
That'll piss Darl off.
Any fool can talk, but it takes a wise man to listen.
It seems he's running a lot of those operating systems in Virtual PC. Is it just me or does that seem like cheating? I was expecting him to have all those operating systems installed natively.
whats the point? ..
RTFA - its explained in his FAAQ.. other than the obviously high geek factor
"With the exception of Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X, all systems listed are x86 based" Well, sorry..., but at least Linux and the various BSDs also exist for ppc architecture. And probably even more OSs. I would have liked to see those installed natively. But then again...
Anything less than having 56 different OS' is not sufficient for every days work.
I wonder if a 64 OS' Apple will run faster?
Does it really matter?"
Isn't that kind of the whole point when you title your website "Many Systems on a PowerBook"? I found it strange that he would even ask that question, much less give it its own little header/section.
Sure as shit, he's got 55 OSes on there.
:p
This is all kinda like a mule with a spinning wheel: No one knows how he got it, and be damned if he knows how to use it.
Seriously tho' Almost all of them are running under virtual PC. That hardly makes this article about a powerbook, and more a testemonial to Virutal PC ( or a simple x86 processor ).
Now, if you want to have fun, one could certainly load 55+ OSes native on a PC notebook, all directly bootable with one of those new-fangled boot managers.
"...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
"You're a loony."
From the "What's not here" list of OSs he didn't install/run:
SCO
SCO seems to be everybody's favorite company these days.
He's kidding, right? SCO might be the dream company that every lawyer would want to work for or against, but other than that... Booh!
There are a lot of *NIX variants on that Powerbook. I shudder to think how much SCO thinks that guy owes them...
Is it me, or is there a seasonal variation on the signal/noise ratio of accepted articles on slashdot?
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Would he crap his pants?
"He then said they had four of these monster emulators at the AFB."
They had to shut down this project, of course, after the Rodan emulator wiped out half the base.
The Mothra emulator was sold to Saddam Hussein in 1987, and its current whereabouts are unknown, but its presence in Saddam's arsenal, combined with his poor knowledge of English, might have inspired the "Mothra of All Battles" phrase used in 1991.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
the one running his web server seems to have crashed.
Damn it, and I thought my Tri-boot was cool.
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I noticed that on the list there are just
FreeBSD
NetBSD
OpenBSD,
but every Windows & Dos version released, like, ever. I consider that either non-consistent and/or cheating. Either include every release of non-MS-systems as well or then just single representation from each product line. Pick one from each series: MS-DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 9x/ME, Windows NT.
Watch out for MS. they'll be wanting to see your licenses.
Running 55 types of Linux, all utilizing the same kernel version, can hardly qualify as "different OSs"
im waiting for someone to run 100+ distributions> of linux on a single machine!
Ok, it is probably 54 + 1 Fag OSuX
It should be "FAAAQ".
Frequently Asked, Anticipated & Answered Questions.
kraker, meet sarcasm.
All the operating systems, with the exception of os9 & os x, were done through emulation. So we still say there is no native software for the mac.
I wonder why he only installed two Mac-OS? I mean, if you look at this list, he could have easily increased the count of OSs installed on his computer.
Or does the Mac ROM/Firmware somehow disallow the installation of older system software?
See if you can name 55 OS's
Among the systems that his laptop does not run:
SCO
SCO seems to be everybody's favorite company these days. (...)
Absolutely true! Just see how often SCO makes it to the frontpage of Slashdot...
to twist this guy's acheivement of installing all these OSs into into some kind of "win" for Apple/OSX - this could have been done on a PC just as well.
Personally I hate reading pompous ass documents like the "FAAQ" where the game is feigning ignorance when answering questions you've just posed. Egotistic ass.
I don't get it. This guy just figured out Virtual PC. So what? That's what it does, let you run other OSes.
I've probably run way over 55 systems on my PC over the years. Looking at his list, I've tried most of these, including the ones he couldn't get working. How is this a story? Because it's on a Mac with emulation?
No offense, but his feat gets him into the typical Slashdot geek club, but not much else.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
He's using Virtual PC for every single one, which emulates a x86 (intel) hardware platform.
Now if he managed to install these onto a power book, that would be mighty impressive, and probably impossible.
Rocket science is easy. Neurosurgery, now *that's* difficult.
Favorite quote from website:
Even though Inferno 4th Edition includes Mac OS X as a host system, it has issues on Panther. It is simplest to run it within Linux within Virtual PC within Mac OS X.
Heh!
Hello! I'm a disaster waiting to happen!
Look, if I bought the damn thing, it's MY Machine. Steve may have evangelised it, and taken credit for the "concept" or whatever, but it is MY machine once I bought it, dammit!.
P.S. I'm a customer of your business and a citizen of our nation. Calling me "consumer" is offensive.
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- O3one
Happily, he did mention my hobby OS.Emulators like VirtualPC and Bochs are a really nice way to play with operating system code without having to worry about screwing up your machine.
When I was 12, I got 20 different distros running on my PC (along with a few Windows versions). Now this gives me and others a goal to beat.
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why arent tabs working ?? ..
... perhaps there isn't enoough ram, or just
oh well
have u ever tried to install winxp to a 2-year-old pc ? probably not, since win2000 seem to work just fine
the generic drivers arent generic enough - or some
idiot wrote in a high level language like c
no matter what, the setup (bootable cd) after thinking a little bit, just crashes (not that beautiful to watch) and since win2000 dont come
with a firewall (not that important at the release time) i have to fill every security hole myself!
god damn overflows!!
in short, there is always an os, that will deliberately deny itself from installing on a
specific machine, since an os isnt a mere interface between hardware and apps, rather an extention of the underlying architecture, aiming to preserve its spirit, and inherit incompatibility (the last words wish to be carved into stone, and burried deep under neath an ibm complex)
A friend who's got a tibook mentiond recently that the only v. of linux that doesn't void Apple's warranty is Yellow Dog.
Linux is Linux, if One need clarify their dist: <Dist>/GNU Linux
bsds are of course just BSD
I've actually been trying to get BeOS Max to run under VPC 6, and its sorta working, but not really.
Basically, I'm able to boot to the floppy image or CD image and start the installation. mouse works. problem is, as soon as the BeOS environment gets any KB input, the input (mouse and KB) both hang complete. Installation will continue, but you can't click or otherwise get thru the installation fully.
So far I haven't been able to get it to install completely (just when its about to finish, my cat leaps on the KB and hangs it). I'm hoping however that when it IS fully installed it'll 'just work' and the KB issue will disappear.
I've tried this on a couple different machines with the same results, so I think it is definitely an issue w/ VPC in conjunction with BeOS Max and not the hardware. My next step is trying an ADB keyboard instead of USB.
Anyone else gotten this to work?
Easy to boot, somewhat functional ... but there was no mention of Atheos ...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/atheos/
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And have 'Lemmings' running on every single one.
He's trying to play the Tower of Hanoi using PartitionMagic.
Virtual PC makes it really easy to set up disk images for each OS. These images do not have a set size and can expand as needed. Saves a lot of time in formating the hard drive, rebooting, etc. Also, once you get your base image set up, you make a backup copy and then start in on your kernal tweaking or whatever. You screw up something, just toss the bad image and start a clean copy. Saves a lot of time re-installing OS's when they become corrupt. So, yeah, he could put multiple partitions on his laptop hard drive, install 10 or more Unix/Linux/BSD variations, or he could just shuffle drive image files around.
I think that's one reason Microsoft purchased Virtual PC. Your PC could be running a secure *cough* MS OS and then you could run other versions of Windows within VPC and have an easier time of things. Would be usefull for gaming, where each game is installed on it's own drive image, with it's own, tweaked OS. Since it's not really emulating on the PC, just running in a box, there shouldn't be a performance hit, just like Apple's use of OS9 within OSX.
I drank what? -- Socrates
I've had protected sex with 55 women ......
so go back to your "install OSes with one hand" while the other beats off to pictures of that nasty BSD ho!!
55 operating systems, still one button on the mouse.
For some strange reason, they chose to not include the Ninnle distribution of Linux. I have no idea why this major oversight happened.
I don't understand what is the idea behind this? The Mac is a Mac, if you want Windows, buy a IBM clone.
I worked with 25 of those systems at various times in my life, including one he did not mention - Sun OS (pre Solaris). I could also start adding Mandrake Linux, Debian GNU/XFree/Perl/Apache/Samba/.../Linux, SUSE Linux.... Anybody have a reliable count of how many Linux dstro's are out there?
The BSA would have a field day.
"55 os's on one power book. 55 on one 'book!"
"Shut one down, and cycle around...54 os's on one power book"
"54 os's on one power book, 54 on one 'book!"
"Shut one down, and cycle around, 53 os's on one power book"
"53 os's on one power book...."
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
run old Intellivision apps?
...now guys, don't anyone tell him or everyone'll catch on, and then we'll have to do something productive...
Kudos, because Apple is in the hardware business more than anything else.
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You like your new Mac more than you like me, don't you, Dave? Dave? I asked...She said Yes.
I'd say it's not only cheating, but pure idiocy when you install systems that could run natively (like freeBSD, Linux or netBSD under VirtualPC).
The thing is this guy is just using Virtual PC. Beign no particular fan of it, this rates real high in my so-what-meter... *rolls_eyes*
First, a disclaimer of sorts. The guy is obviously a geek, what other reason does he need?
Now, surely it would have been nice to see them all installed natively, but one of the beauties of VPC is it's ability to run multiple OSes at the same time. Could that have been achieved if all these OSes were installed natively? With the possible exception of Linux->MacOnLinux, the answer is no. Emulation of some sort is necessary.
I would like to see if the other *nixes, the ones that are available for the PPC architecture, could be installed, but I don't think they could be run in tandem with OS X.
'Course, I don't really know jack-squat. I'm such a wannabe...
(tig)
Ignorance and prejudice and fear
Walk hand in hand
as run on the AS/400 or iSeries as it is now known. Odd really as there is a PPC of sorts under the hood of an iSeries.
Easy, he'd encourage it. Apple is a hardware company. or at least they think they are.
You like your new Mac more than you like me, don't you, Dave? Dave? I asked...She said Yes.
14 Windows systems, whose interface is a bore,
11 DOS OSes, from the days of yore.
11 systems scattered across the sundry lands,
7 real-time systems, in mission-critical hands.
Three OSes for those who teach, and those who will to learn,
Three for the Big Blue Demon, from which he could not earn.
Three of the Small Red Demon, plus one for the Penguin Tux,
One for desktop publishers, whose software costs big bucks.
One OS to rule them all, one OS to find them,
One OS to emulate them all, and on the hard drive bind them.
In the land of G5, where the cycles fly...
dinner: it's what's for beer
um... "Cool?"
Remember, this guy started Apple when he was a kid (comparatively) and, despite being the salesman, he hacked hardware as well.
I'm sure /. covered this when it came out, but this kid got 37 different OSes to run NATIVE on one machine.
AROS should have been on that list.
http://www.aros.org/
This guy is an idiot
Now this may be somewhat off-topic but I'm tired of people trying to use the front page of Slashdot to try to launch their favourite pet jargon. There is no such FLA as FAAQ. Why can't a single A service both "Asked" and "Anticipated"? I mean 4 FAAQ's sake!!
Karma police, I've given all I can, it's not enough, I've given all I can, but we're still on the payroll.
one interesting thing would be to run some virtualization on ppc/macosx
i know about mac-on-linux. but what about any xen/user-mode-linux or else natively on macosx ?
best of all world, many systems, one hardware, no reboot between them
Back a long time ago. I think it was on a PowerMac 7100/66 or something like that. Hell, it might have even been on my Quadra 660AV. Don't really recall...
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Why?
It's quite obvious that the powerbook with Virtual PC runs Windows, in almost any flavor they threw at it. Why buy another computer to do what they are already doing with their powerbook?
Geez,
Left out one of the biggies of the 80's and 90's.
Amigas! Heck, the new one is even PPC based.
Maybe you should try running RTFAnix.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
This was quite interesting... it's from his FAAQ.
...) Stressful times, indeed.
... etc
Why I am obsessed with Operating Systems.
I joined theIndian Institute of Technology, Delhi in the summer of 1994. I had gotten a high rank [sic] in the IIT entrance examination, thereby gaining the "privilege" of "choosing" Computer Science.
I have no qualms in admitting that theonly reason I went ahead with Computer Science was because of convention - if you took the IIT entrance test, and got a high enough rank, you opted for CS as a rule of thumb! Sure, there were and are people who break this rule, but I had no motivation to be an exception in this regard.
Now, even though I chose CS as my area, I had no interest in Computer Science or computers at that point. The reaso was simple enough: I was a little over 18 years old, and I had never, ever used a computer in my life. I had no ide what to look forward to, or what to be interested in. The concept of "programming" was alien to me. What reall interested me were Physics, Mathematics andArt.
During my first week at IIT, in one of the "Introduction to UNIX" kind of lab sessions, I was trying to ward off sleep when I noticed something totally amazing: one guy had caused a "large sized funny message" to appear on somebod else's screen (he had piped the output ofbanner to write, etc.). I was so fascinated that I asked him how he did it. He told me something of the effect that he had spent a lot of effort in learning these cool tricks and if I can, I should figure it out myself. It made me fume, but I could do little because I had more fundamental things to figure out (what the hell is an "operating system", why it is called "EUNUCHS", what this "editor" thing is, and how it is related to "vi"
Nonetheless, I wanted to "show the guy"
I spent the next day reading some kind of UNIX book, and it gave me a headache I did not know the human head i capable of withstanding. I am not sure if it is appropriate to haveSystem V be your introduction to Computing, vi be your first editor, etc., but in retrospect, I think it's not any worse than a "simpler" system to be introduced to. If you don't realize it's abuse, you can take a lot of it! The book helped me successfully login to the system after a few days of trying, but vi drove me nuts.
The book also mentioned man pages. I tried to solve the "what to learn" by making the solution a derivative of "how t learn" - I decided that I would read every single man page on the system, no matter how long it takes. I intended t create a model of how the whole thing worked by ingesting more and more information
I think the approach turned out to be reasonable. By next summer, I had a job as a software porter and maintainer fo the Institute's mainframe. This gave me happiness beyond description (consider this: student disk quotas on th mainframe were 4 MB each, while I had 2 GB of disk space to play with!
Shortly afterwards, I was involved in many related scenarios at IIT Delhi, such as the establishment of theIntel Technology Lab, and so on.
Thus, my interest in operating systems and computers was born out of spite rather than anything else
I'd be impressed if all 55 were up to date...
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My favourite quote: "Because Windows NT is designed to be a secure system, there is NO backdoor into the system."
He just has Red Hat Linux, but considers Windows 1.01, 1.03, 2.03, 2.1, 3.0, 3.1, along with MS-Dos 3.x, 4.x, 5.x, 6.x as all different operating systems, especially when all windows versions from 3.1 and earlier were nothing more than an application running on top of MS-Dos, not a proper OS at all.
So why not Red Hat Linux 9, 8.0, 7.3, 7.2, 7.1, 6.2, etc... Suse version, Mandrake version, Slackware versions.... Man, you can get a whole lot more os's on it.
While everyone seems to be pointing out that having the x86 emulated OSes or multiple versions of Windows is 'cheating,' what about Windows 1.01 - 3.1?
Those aren't OSes, but graphical shells on top of DOS. It's like listing DOS Shell as one...
C'mon, I run SIMH under virtual PC and run VMS on my powerbook all the time.
VMS is still pretty darn popular in the "big" corporate world.
This guy just used VirtualPC for everything. (nearly) Useless. The VPC networking is rather shoddy, vmware blows it away. You cannot have 2 virtual machines talk to each other without having an 'active' physical interface.
He could have installed PPC OpenBSD, Linux, and NetBSD easily then done something useful like debugging on big endian...
He states that to get most of the OS's to run he had to emulate a X86 using VPC..
So what is the big deal?. Other then he took the time to track them all down and waste HD space, its not some 'geek feat'..
And i assume he has licenses for all of these?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
arguably the most reliable and rediculously expensive OS ever made - VMS. I think there are still hobbyist licenses available for VMS from HP. But it is defnitely worthy of mention.
Now that's impressive! :)
Well you learn something new everyday. Didn't even know that existed, but it does prove what vi users have been saying about emacs all along, don't it? ;-)
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
That would be impressive. It's probably been mentioned already... but this is not a bad technique. i knew a guy who ran a University web server like this, few years ago... not quite 55 OS's, but it went like this:
Old PowerMac running BeOS with SheepShaver - > which emulated Mac OS, running Virtual PC - > which emulated Windows, which ran IIS.
"Ha! Let's see it crash through three Operating Systems!"
That was the idea anyways. It was damn slow but nice thing was that when the Windows image crashed it only took 6 seconds to recover to its saved 'state'.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
All those operating systems and no mention of the one I _still_ like to play with...
What about the Commodore 64? If you're going to count running OS' through VPC then you might as well go get the C=64 emulator. Heck, why not Apple ][?
Anyone notice this is the same guy who solved Towers of Hanoi in over 100+ ways? Check out is projects link in the FAAQ.
Quite impressive for someone who got hardcore into computing just out of spite.
Also of note from his resume: He's also doing Desktop Linux work for IBM. Interesting to know that IBM does Desktop Linux at all, even if it is confined to their research labs at this point.
With 55 OS's, there can't be any room left for applications.
For example, I think OpenBSD and a laptop may be a smart combination, but then I see:
and immediately lose interest. Try running it natively, since that's what a sane person who actually wants to use it, would do.As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
If you are interested in running various emulators on your Mac, then I recommend John Stile's Emulation.net web site. It covers Game consoles, desktop OSs, arcades and handhelds. IMO, worth the visit.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
The one operating system that IBM really, really doesn't want you to be able to run on (relative to pSeries or RS/6000) inexpensive Apple hardware...
Looks more like an advertisement for Virtual PC. If I run FreeBSD under Redhat under VMWare, do I get a cookie?
...the OS's take up so much space on his hard drive that he hasn't got room for any applications more complicated than "Hello, world".
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This article about Apple laptops has been posted for hours, and somehow the "Apple laptop keyboards unfit for UNIX users" douche has not posted his tired, whiny screed yet.
Mr. Whiny I-Can't-Adapt Complainer, are you already on holiday vacation?
I mean, once upon a time you could throw a rock from a moving car and not expect to hit an Apple ][ emulator.
It'd be an easy 83.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
Geek, or is GEEEEK, I might say get a life read a book, but then I like a game that I only seen for Windows 2.1 286 world rule or somthing he might have a point, or was it 55+
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Until I did the un-slashdot-like thing and RTFA, and realized they didn't mean "at once". D'oh.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
An IBM System/370 hardware emulator for Linux, Windows, and OS X can be found at the Hercules Emulator page.
One site for good Mac emulators is emulation.net. Check out the PDP-8/e emulator -- Mac OS X native, with a spookily accurate virtual reproduction of the PDP-8/e's front panel!
Betwixt and between all of these, and many of the others out there, he could easily double the number of OSes he can run on his PowerBook!
This is going to wrong way - all Jobs has to do to get my $129 is provide a version of OS-X for an Intel box.
over 55 operating systems running on a 17inch Powerbook
Wow...that's over 3 operating systems per inch!!!
I can't believe he'd go through all this trouble, and fail to install the most popular Operating System in the world.
Meaning if it is broken, you can't fix it?
But are they up-to-date with all of the latest security patches?
Guess its official now. This guy definitely suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder.
Amit is just another great engineer from India's premier institute the IIT. Ther very word that puts fear of pink slip in an American programmer.
Now do it without the use of any Microsoft emulation products.
All those OSes kludgeported, but OpenDarwin - an OS specifically designed and coded for that hardware - is still on his "to do" list.
x^n OSes are all fine but when the ipod won't work with both a mac and a PC, where's the fun. i need vmware fr my ipod so the windows-ipod wont slow down to a crawl when loading music from a mac and mac-ipod plain wont work with the pc. yes this is offtopic/tangential/rant/vent post. sue my karma.
"I wonder what Steve Jobs would say if he sees people doing such things to his machines!!"
Probably something along the lines of "55 operating systems on one Mac! Wow! Thank god I'm not such a huge loser and I actually have sex now and then!"
Sure steve has sex, with men.
Fucking king-of-the-mac-zealots FAGGOT.
Apple is teh gay 4evar!
DEAL!
we had to install 2,000 operating systems before we were given any breakfast, another 16,000 before dinner and a million more before we were allowed to go to sleep at night.
Every time we wanted to go to the toilet we had to write at least 18 new operating systems, from scratch, with new word processing and graphics apps capable of running on all of them.
All this on an abacus with most of the things missing!
Not until looking at some of those OS sites (some of which I've never heard of before, such as SkyOS - which didn't boot fully, coincidentally) did I fully realize how far along linux has come along in the last 3 years.
I think that, a mere 3 years ago, linux distros were roughly as mature as SkyOS (as listed under the OSes that didn't fully work). It had quite limited hardware support and didn't have a terribly large amount of truely useful X applications. There was Netscape 4, beta builts of Mozilla, and StarOffice, and that's pretty much it. (I might be thinking back 4 years ago, not 3, on some o fthis stuff, but the effect is roughly the same).
Now, linux as a whole is starting to become a serious threat for MS in nearly all areas - at least, in those areas where it hasn't already proven that MS products are inferior (such as the server domain). Three years is an incredibly short amount of time for all the progress that's been made, when you consider that in the last 3 years, MS has made very minimal, if any, progress in the quality of any of their applications. Sure, they've released new versions, and some have marginal improvements (such as stability), but since Windows 2000, not much has happened - despite the massive number of full-time programmers that Microsoft has.
In the last 3 years, we've seen KDE spring up from nowhere and 3 point-0 releases, all of which advancing significantly over the previous one. With each release, we've seen more applications with more features. Gnome/eximian has done quite similar things, going from gtk 1.x on up to gtk2, going from the slow, painful, and poorly designed gnome 1.x to the fairly slick and useful eximian releases. we've got open office which competes on par with MS Office in nearly every standalone scenario. The list just goes on, and it amazes me to think that it's only been 3 (4?) years.
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I wonder what Steve Jobs would say if he sees people doing such things to his machines!!
The critical question is, what would Woz think?
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And how does installing all these OSes relate to his cred for judging productivity? What productivity enhancement can be achieved by installing things like Windows 1.0 on an emulator on a PPC mac, and putting up a web site with screen shots saying, LOOK AT ME I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE? Does this look like the work of someone interested in productivity? Seriously?
He's obviously no dope, but he's gone through a lot of effort for nothing more than geek bragging rights. That speaks volumes about how much he has to say about "productivity enhancement."
If you guys spent less time evangelizing and name calling, you might actually have a shot at being more productive on a mac.
Freud was a fraud.
Technically, no. A virtualizer like VMWare could achieve the same effect.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
I'm Steve Jobs, and I say:
"Help, I'm having a seizure!"
I'm just glad he included that Solaris tip in there. Recently downloaded v9 and wanted to play with it, but couldn't find any info on fixing that hang on installation "486 detected" problem.
:)
It's installing nicely now copying mini-root to the HD.
THANKS!
Whatever many of you may think about him "cheating" or whatnot using an emulator, this is a great way to learn other OS's. You wanna learn basic hacking? Test security exploits? Install an ancient RH6 or something on it and play with Nessus. Old games, old software... it never has to die. Emulation is a seriously useful tool and maybe the only way some people can exposure to other systems.
-Don.
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"55 OS's and nothin' on"
Hey! Imagine a Beowulf cluster running on the one machine!
Like this person, I am a MacOS user with access to Virtual PC, but when it comes to emulating older MacOS to run old freeware/games and code that OSX and 9 have "broken," I'm a bit at a loss. Don't get me wrong, he has a great documentation and his tests are encouraging to all of us mac users needing Windows and x86 support. I would like to see someone do this kinda thing with native MacOS emulation as well.
:-| . Sometimes even hardware images are needed for Mac emulators, but I think this is only req'ed for PC users
Since he is an APPLE powerbook user, I was hoping for more Mac systems on his list. He DID mention DOS 1 and Windows 1 with detail for five+ sequels each, which is a bit overkill for most people.
The Emulation.net site deals with Mac emulation for us. If you want a few more mac options, you need a link to vMac . Maybe someone here can go ahead and do this, and post a story on slashdot with their findings. My mac doesn't have enough room for storing CD images of emulated Operating Systems, and unlike him, I don't have resources to find system software
Good luck!
"Wireless : LAN
Not knowing jack-squat, could someone please explain the difference between emulation and virtualization?
:-)
And should MS change the name to EPC...?
(tig)
Ignorance and prejudice and fear
Walk hand in hand
namely red hat and...what? are you counting the 15 versions of dos and windows as linuxes? There's more bsd's on that thing than linuxes!
A virtualizer creates a new virtual machine on your current hardware, with instructions passed directly to the processor. They can only run software intended for the hardware they're on - so VMWare can't run Windows software on a Mac, but it can run x86 Windows software under x86 Linux. Since software is run natively by real hardware, virtualizers are generally quite a bit faster than emulators.
Basically, an emulator creates a whole new machine-within-a-machine, while a virtualizer just fools a guest OS into thinking it's the only thing on the machine.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Thank you for the concise explanation. Makes a lot of stuff clear.
(tig)
Ignorance and prejudice and fear
Walk hand in hand
Freud is well known for being a coke head, yes. But he would quite willingly lick your balls.
I want to see all the licenese for those OSs :)
The correct spelling is "loser," my challenged friend.
Keep doing that Windows thing, we Mac/UNIX people don't want you on our side.
"I wonder what Steve Jobs would say if he sees people doing such things to his machines!!" Steve Jobs would probably come up with some grossly inaccurate statement about how superior macs are.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
I shudder to think how many things I could run at once on my dual G5... :)
But what about Oberon? I know that they at least made a native x86 distrib OS sometime around v3, but i think it's been a programming language after 4
terpmotors.com
don't EVER dis the Mac in here. you don't have freedom of speech here, nobodys interested in opposing viewpoints. either put on your worship hat or get the fuck out
That ruled.
First, Apple will probably never base their machines on x86.
Secondly, even if they did switch to x86, OS X will never, never, never run on any hardware that Apple has not produced-- so surrender the fantasy of running OS X on some homebuilt shitbox. The major selling point of the Mac is the "it just works" factor-- the tight integration between Apple software and Apple hardware. They won't be able to deliver that if they suddenly have to support hundreds of varieties of commodity hardware flying out of factories in East Bumblefuck, Asia. Microsoft has blown through umpteen billion dollars over damn near twenty years in their attempt to do it, and they still haven't got it right.
~Philly
No emulation can be considered to b near completion unless it includes Amiga 500/1200 and/or Atari ST/Falcon. It is amazing how biased you get as you age!!!
Apple laptops are effectively unusable for unix users.
I am a long-time Unix user. That means I need to have the Ctrl key to the left of the A key. This is a genuine need, not merely a want; it is based upon ergonomics. The Ctrl key is heavily used in unix, and it must be easily accessable. It cannot be off in the lower left corner of the keyboard where it is difficult to get at, and where it distorts the position of your left hand such that you can't easily type other keys while holding the Ctrl key down.
Apple desktop keyboards are now all USB. They are all OK. The CapsLock key can be re-mapped into a Ctrl key.
Unfortunately, even in this modern age, all Apple laptops have built-in ADB keyboards. The ADB keyboard is broken-by-design. It is, in general, not possible to remap the CapsLock key into a Ctrl key.
There are some exceptions, but they are horrible kludges. They are horrible kludges because the original design of the ADB keyboard was a horrible kludge. The correct solution would be for Apple to re-design their laptop motherboards to use built-in USB keyboards. This hasn't happened yet. If you run Linux, use Debian's solution. For Mac OS X users, uControl works. There are no solutions (that I know of) for either NetBSD or OpenBSD. Please note once again that the "solutions" above are in fact kludges, because of the original bad design of the ADB keyboard.
Apple provides a technical note on how to remap the keyboard, but provides no solution to the hardware problems caused by the design of the ADB keyboard. This tech note helps foreign language users, but does nothing for the CapsLock/Ctrl problem.
Apple is (currently) ignoring Unix users! This is not merely speculation on my part. In an on-going email exchange I am having with an Apple employee (whom I won't name) in their marketing department, the Apple marketing person directly stated to me that Apple was catering to their historic Mac customers, and is purposely ignoring the Unix market. He also claimed that Apple would soon start paying more attention to the Unix market. I won't hold my breath. Apple has been ignoring Unix users for more than 13 years. I expect that trend to continue. (Also note that my Apple contact indicated that Macs would never ship with a 3-button mouse, even though Apple intended to port almost all X-window software and deliver it either on a CD/DVD or installed directly on each Mac's hard drive. How Unix friendly is a 1-button mouse with X programs that often require 3 buttons?)
Apple has now lost two opportunities to sell me hardware. I really wanted an Apple laptop for their superior battery life, and for the PowerPC with Altivec CPU. (The Altivec is vastly superior to the x86 line for DSP.) Because I can't live with the broken-by-design built-in ADB keyboard in all Apple laptops, Sony and IBM sold me laptops instead. If Apple fixes this problem, they will sell me a PowerBook next year; if they don't, I'll still be running OpenBSD on x86 hardware, and wishing I could use a Mac.
Jobs wouldn't even uderstand the point, while as Woz is probably already over there trying to borrow it
I've just got Contiki running on my C64, ethernet enabled and all. Haven't really been able to set it up for anything fancy yet (as in, not enough room for a bunch of C64 drives or even a comfortable place to use it), but I'm sure I'll get something fancy running on it eventually.
I wonder what Steve Jobs would say if he sees people doing such things to his machines!!
Nothing, despite what IP proponents would have you believe, once you buy the machine it's not his anymore.
Imagine how many more he could pack if Apple made their laptops as big as their Cinema HD Display (23inch)!
Xavier
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what about the appleIIe emulator??
If you really want to emulate a gazillion OSes,
see:
MESS.org
It's based on MAME's CPU and hardware emulation and codebase.
MESS Currently emulates 294 systems (alright 60 are marked as not-working...)
Don't see your favorite system emulated? Help out!
but why would you want to do this other than to brag?
Imagine if each OS on there ran each of its various flavors of Netscape, Explorer, Opera, Mozilla, Lynx, Cyberdog, or whatnot.
Then (does VPC support Applescript?) program a simple little Applescript to go through each OS and each browser, pasting in a URL. If not Applescript, then a keystroke generater, perhaps.
Then the hardest part would be actually looking at all of those hundreds of browsers. Especially if you tried to do each version of each flavor of each browser. Oh, the boredom!
So maybe it's not a webmaster's dream. Nevermind.
From the simh web page:
you had me at #!
Sheeze. There are plenty of other things that Mac could be emulating.
Are theren't OSASK? .
Let's download OSASK!
It has...
* VGA and VESA driver and GUI.
* JPEG/BMP viewer,MML player(use beep.)
* "HELO" Animation player/creater.
* WABA, Pluma(JVM Clone.),and InfoNES.
* Japanese/Korean font.
* GO(Compact and portable C/C++ Compiler[Based gcc-3.2],Assembler,Linker...)
You can get it in ONLY 1FD! And OSASK can read many kind of memory card
OSASK Wiki
Tutorial
the iPod of operating systems
Here in lies the irony... He isnt running the iPod's OS. There is a mac simulator for the Pixo OS. Very few people have access to it now.
Eh, Steve!
If you mean killed, as in killed the hard drive, I have to call BS. If it just locked up, I would never try to run chkdsk on a disk image, but I seriously doubt it would do anything but do not know first hand. When you are running VPC it just uses a disk image as a virtual hard drive, therefore it will not effect your Mac at all.
I'm saving it.
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