It was not easy but I forced myself to walk the fine G+ thread and I learnt a couple of things.
* There is plenty of animosity between RedHat and Canonical.
* Wayland is not the personal initiative of some individuals. RedHat is fully behind it.
* The Wayland developers were or are X developers.
* X is already sentenced but the death sentence will never be publicly executed. X will slowly disappear while "What's exactly wrong with X?" will linger on from here to eternity.
* Mark Shuttleworth used to be a classical South African pale male: a wrapper of soft talk around a core of hard lies. He can be sincere and rough now. Kudos to him.
* The meme has changed. No more "Linux is all about choice", rather "Don't fragment Linux".
* Mir isn't going to fail as some Redhatters wish to think but it will undergo a dozen reincarnations before its final release to users.
* I really hope I'm wrong here but it appears that neither Wayland nor Mir are in any hurry to modify the crappiest aspect of X as far as users are concerned: keyboard input.
So competing does not necessarily means innovating, striving to be good, striving to accommodate customers. No, it includes hindering or sabotaging others who happen to offer products or services similar to yours.
However, I was kind of sure that the hindering and sabotage approach was a preserve of the biggies, say Apple or Microsoft. I was wrong: even swat flies like Piriform try it.
Piriform can relax, lucky they are: the publicity boost they are giving to BleachBit will have no lasting effect. BleachBit desperately needs a new interface and it seems they are genetically incapacitated to do it.
>>> The Swiss Bank Account model is also what allowed jews in Germany to keep some of their family fortune out of the claws of the Reich.
Is that so evil? >>>
State your reply after considering that those accounts went then into Swiss claws, they were lost anyway.
>>> it would be useful to have more developers for LibreJS
Richard, fighting for free software is difficult enough. Trying to smuggle "libre" into English is hopeless. In the case of LibreJS, it does not matter. But something like LibreOffice is just hindering success.
>>> You don't have to use or even like Windows 8. >>>
You are 10% right, no make that 1%. It is practically impossible to find decent laptops or desktops *without* Windows. And please do not offer any links for Linux pre-installed. I have just gone through 3 dozens of them.
The only way you could be right is: you pay up and erase Windows. Hands up all of you that accept this approach.
>>> The reason the news sites don't like summaries is, it gives people a chance to decide if they are interested in reading the article before they click. It saves us from wasting our time. >>>
Actually, they do like summaries. It gives them an excuse to whine about copyrights and hold the bowl.
>>> That's basically what Google does already: just puts headlines and 1-2 sentences from the start, with a link to TFA. The newspapers don't even want that much. >>>
Not entirely correct. They do not mind Google doing all the indexing chore and responding to users in a fraction of a second. But they have noticed that Google earns billions from this service and so they neither mind squeezing some of the juice off. Generously.
What they really dislike is telling you the truth, they have a strong preference for intellectual property verbiage. They are being robbed, you know.
The original Linux keyboard driver was your assembly code. That code was ported to C and later expanded by others. But in the late 90s even the main contributors to the keyboard driver were murmuring that a complete rewrite was needed. Unfortunately, 15 years down the line nothing has happened.
Is there any hope for a new Linux keyboard driver that will enable text mode applications to use (without acrobatics and even remotely) those famous combos with modifiers plus arrow or function or grey keys? Don't you have here an itch to scratch? Do you actually use any editor in text mode? And often so? Or do you prefer a graphic terminal?
.>>> Well I right click on icons and get a menu. What are you missing? >>>
A bit of intellectual honesty from your part. You are now rightclicking on icons which you (1 post upstream) did not have. And besides, rightclick works nowhere without the Alt modifier. My condolences.
>>> They ARE options. Try http://extensions.gnome.org./ There's even a single click on/off button for each extension to turn them on and off. >>>
Please find me an option to rightclick the mouse for a context menu. And just in case you have problems understanding: the Alt key should not be involved.
>>> All my software is Free Software licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL, and is freely available to all from subversion. People wanting tarballs or Debian packages can pay >>>
Please clarify:
(1) What happens if e.g. Ubuntu decide to compile your source and add the binaries to their repository?
(2) What happens when buyers of your binaries give away or sell your binaries?
So a book is priced USD 80 in USA and USD 8 in India. A US retailer manages to import copies from India and sells them well below 80 bucks and still makes a profit.
Don't get excited about copyrights, trademarks and any intellectual property keywords. What we have here is publishers trying to absorb as much as they can from the consumer's rent (i.e. differentiate the price according to the target group). And exploiting and promoting legal structures that allow them to do so.
On the other side, we have customers that just don't play the game. And people like YOU come in and try to generate some kind of public sentiment against them.
When Canonical was supporting Kubuntu it allowed one of its developers to work on it as part of his job. And the guy happened to be the soul of Kubuntu.
Now how is the support by Blue Systems supposed to help? The guy would resign from Canonical and work freelance or what?
>>> We believe KDE to be the best technology and therefore way to take over the world.>>>
Hello jriddell, a Canonical developer by the name of Jonathan Riddell was admitting yesterday that kubuntu has not proved a business success in 7 years.
>>>
There's still several other cases to be resolved: SCO v IBM, Red Hat v SCO, SCO v Autozone (or Daimler/Chrysler) >>>
SCO vs. Autozone is settled. SCO vs. Daimler/Chrisler was lost by SCO long ago. RedHat is moot because SCO does not have those copyrights.
The only one that matters is SCO vs. IBM which was administratively closed late 2007. This one will loose plenty of mass because of the SCO's lack of copyrights but can still continue because its focus was contractual violation.
Will SCO (nowadays alling themselves TSG) revive the case? Of course, they will since the lawyers, Boies & Co., are supposed to have already been paid.
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It was not easy but I forced myself to walk the fine G+ thread and I learnt a couple of things.
* There is plenty of animosity between RedHat and Canonical.
* Wayland is not the personal initiative of some individuals. RedHat is fully behind it.
* The Wayland developers were or are X developers.
* X is already sentenced but the death sentence will never be publicly executed. X will slowly disappear while "What's exactly wrong with X?" will linger on from here to eternity.
* Mark Shuttleworth used to be a classical South African pale male: a wrapper of soft talk around a core of hard lies. He can be sincere and rough now. Kudos to him.
* The meme has changed. No more "Linux is all about choice", rather "Don't fragment Linux".
* Mir isn't going to fail as some Redhatters wish to think but it will undergo a dozen reincarnations before its final release to users.
* I really hope I'm wrong here but it appears that neither Wayland nor Mir are in any hurry to modify the crappiest aspect of X as far as users are concerned: keyboard input.
So competing does not necessarily means innovating, striving to be good, striving to accommodate customers. No, it includes hindering or sabotaging others who happen to offer products or services similar to yours.
However, I was kind of sure that the hindering and sabotage approach was a preserve of the biggies, say Apple or Microsoft. I was wrong: even swat flies like Piriform try it.
Piriform can relax, lucky they are: the publicity boost they are giving to BleachBit will have no lasting effect. BleachBit desperately needs a new interface and it seems they are genetically incapacitated to do it.
>>> The Swiss Bank Account model is also what allowed jews in Germany to keep some of their family fortune out of the claws of the Reich.
Is that so evil? >>>
State your reply after considering that those accounts went then into Swiss claws, they were lost anyway.
>>> Why can't America just face the reality as it is - that it is spending way too much money than it is making?? >>>
You (and a few millions others) could for your part face the reality that getting liquidity is not same as authorization to spend.
>>> it would be useful to have more developers for LibreJS
Richard, fighting for free software is difficult enough. Trying to smuggle "libre" into English is hopeless. In the case of LibreJS, it does not matter. But something like LibreOffice is just hindering success.
Regards
john
>>>
You don't have to use or even like Windows 8.
>>>
You are 10% right, no make that 1%. It is practically impossible to find decent laptops or desktops *without* Windows. And please do not offer any links for Linux pre-installed. I have just gone through 3 dozens of them.
The only way you could be right is: you pay up and erase Windows. Hands up all of you that accept this approach.
>>>
The reason the news sites don't like summaries is, it gives people a chance to decide if they are interested in reading the article before they click. It saves us from wasting our time.
>>>
Actually, they do like summaries. It gives them an excuse to whine about copyrights and hold the bowl.
>>>
That's basically what Google does already: just puts headlines and 1-2 sentences from the start, with a link to TFA. The newspapers don't even want that much.
>>>
Not entirely correct. They do not mind Google doing all the indexing chore and responding to users in a fraction of a second. But they have noticed that Google earns billions from this service and so they neither mind squeezing some of the juice off. Generously.
What they really dislike is telling you the truth, they have a strong preference for intellectual property verbiage. They are being robbed, you know.
Hello Linus,
The original Linux keyboard driver was your assembly code. That code was ported to C and later expanded by others. But in the late 90s even the main contributors to the keyboard driver were murmuring that a complete rewrite was needed. Unfortunately, 15 years down the line nothing has happened.
Is there any hope for a new Linux keyboard driver that will enable text mode applications to use (without acrobatics and even remotely) those famous combos with modifiers plus arrow or function or grey keys? Don't you have here an itch to scratch? Do you actually use any editor in text mode? And often so? Or do you prefer a graphic terminal?
Thanks and regards
john
>>>
We now have small laptops with 2880x1880 screens built in that are plugged into multiple monitors.
>>>
You have got perverse needs on your planet. I'm glad we still look normal on planet Earth.
>>>
Heck, a simple one: I have a laptop with a dead built-in monitor.
>>>
Get it repaired.
.>>> Well I right click on icons and get a menu. What are you missing? >>>
A bit of intellectual honesty from your part. You are now rightclicking on icons which you (1 post upstream) did not have. And besides, rightclick works nowhere without the Alt modifier. My condolences.
>>> what, on the desktop? >>>
Everywhere, buddy, everywhere. Waiting for your next excuse...
>>> They ARE options. Try http://extensions.gnome.org./ There's even a single click on/off button for each extension to turn them on and off. >>>
Please find me an option to rightclick the mouse for a context menu. And just in case you have problems understanding: the Alt key should not be involved.
>>> What is actually preventing you from using Gnome Shell with a mouse? >>>
I want my rightclick back...
>>> All my software is Free Software licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL, and is freely available to all from subversion. People wanting tarballs or Debian packages can pay >>>
Please clarify:
(1) What happens if e.g. Ubuntu decide to compile your source and add the binaries to their repository?
(2) What happens when buyers of your binaries give away or sell your binaries?
>>> What is this "not online" of which you speak? That term is unfamiliar to me.
Move to an African country, preferably to a provincial town, and you'll become instantly familiar.
So a book is priced USD 80 in USA and USD 8 in India. A US retailer manages to import copies from India and sells them well below 80 bucks and still makes a profit.
Don't get excited about copyrights, trademarks and any intellectual property keywords. What we have here is publishers trying to absorb as much as they can from the consumer's rent (i.e. differentiate the price according to the target group). And exploiting and promoting legal structures that allow them to do so.
On the other side, we have customers that just don't play the game. And people like YOU come in and try to generate some kind of public sentiment against them.
When Canonical was supporting Kubuntu it allowed one of its developers to work on it as part of his job. And the guy happened to be the soul of Kubuntu.
Now how is the support by Blue Systems supposed to help? The guy would resign from Canonical and work freelance or what?
>>> The only people who buy AMD are geeks who are aware of computers beyond Dell-made ones. >>>
Get informed: Dell's entry level servers are AMD.
>>>
We believe KDE to be the best technology and therefore way to take over the world.>>>
Hello jriddell, a Canonical developer by the name of Jonathan Riddell was admitting yesterday that kubuntu has not proved a business success in 7 years.
Taking over the world will take time.
>>>
I really think Libre Office could take off...
It just needs a decent name.
>>>
You can't really disable things like switching to a tty with ctrl-alt-f1 without "changing the OS configuration."
You can modify the keymap and remove /bin/chvt before launching your application.
You have got a win8 machine and win8 is in control of the MBR.
You can always boot a Linux distro using grub4dos. Get 'grldr' from its package und put it in c:\ adding an entry like
C:\grldr="grub"
in boot.ini and also a line for your specific distro in c:\menu.lst.
When the machine starts, you will see the win8 boot menu, you pick grub, you see grub4dos boot menu according to menu.lst, you pick your distro.
>>>
Would "FreeOffice" be better because people would be free (libre) to assume it means free (gratis) if that makes them more comfortable?
>>>
FreedomOffice then. One thing is for sure, the moniker LibreOffice is not doing the project anything good.
Still waiting for Slashdot to launch a contest for a new name.
>>>
There's still several other cases to be resolved: SCO v IBM, Red Hat v SCO, SCO v Autozone (or Daimler/Chrysler)
>>>
SCO vs. Autozone is settled. SCO vs. Daimler/Chrisler was lost by SCO long ago. RedHat is moot because SCO does not have those copyrights.
The only one that matters is SCO vs. IBM which was administratively closed late 2007. This one will loose plenty of mass because of the SCO's lack of copyrights but can still continue because its focus was contractual violation.
Will SCO (nowadays alling themselves TSG) revive the case? Of course, they will since the lawyers, Boies & Co., are supposed to have already been paid.