Brad Templeton's contributions as outlined here are now part of an article in Social Computing Magazine, "Did Blogging First Start in 1997, 1994...or 1983?". Thanks to Brad and to Slashdot for setting the record straight!
Certainly The WELL predates even AOL, since Stewart Brand and Larry Brilliant started it in 1985, but USENET would take us even further back, if we agree that it's the prototype for what we now call a social network.
When Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis created USENET as a system of online collaboration and interaction, they surely beat Web 2.0 to the count by more than two decades (1979 versus 2003).
Slashdot wasn't registered, I believe, till Nov 1996. I was thinking more along the lines perhaps of the first site being AOL's 1998 launch, with its notions of public buddy profiles that were discoverable by interest. There's a great timwline wiki here btw.
Wikipedia claims that "The first social networking website was Classmates.com, which began in 1995" - I wonder whether Slashdotters agree, or is there prior art? (SixDegrees.com didn't begin till 1997.)
All travelers are prone to over-estimate the promise and potential of what is merely new to them.
It is said that the first men to visit America believed that they had accidentally found Paradise, a second Garden of Eden. In the narrative of his third voyage, for example, Christopher Columbus wrote: 'For I believe that the earthly Paradise lies here,' and fifty years later the French essayist Michel de Montaigne was even more effusive: "In my opinion what we actually see in these nations surpasses all the pictures which the poets have drawn of the Golden Age..."
The guy who gave up $40K p.a. to go to Google is no different. And heck, maybe Web 2.0 even *is* going to be golden...for him and for many others too.
There are pretty good lists here, too...including Bill Dudney's:
AJAX will continue to gain momentum as folks continue to have the epiphany that Web 1.0 UI is not good for users.
Overuse of the technology will be a real problem.
JSF will finally start to become a de facto as well as actual standard due to its ease of integration with AJAX.
Java Persistence API will bring relational object mapping to the long tail of the market.
Well, Web 2.0 Journal is already reporting that it's been "a couple of crazy days in the Blogosphere," but clearly that will be just a ripple compared to the tsunami that this article is certain to unleash. In the month that the Web turned sweet sixteen it is almost obscene to think that anyone should be deluded into thinking that a phenomenon this young could possibly already be moving into its third era. From childhood to le troisième âge, with no adolescence or even middle age. Please, let's bury "Web 3.0...now!
This will be easier to assess when we know more: would the team behind this care to write an article for Dion Hinchcliffe's AJAXWorld Magazine? He can be easily reached, just Google him.
If you liked this article then you will surely like AJAX Developer's Journal, just launched digitally/online and replete with how-to
articles and interviews, all freely available. It's edited by Rob Gonda.
Web 2.0: Hype or Real??
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Web 3.0
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· Score: 2, Interesting
>>> we're all sick of buzzwords, but you can't deny the reality of Web 2.0!
Just so. Indeed, may I just offer, amid all this indignant debunking, a simple metric based on fact rather than prejudgement?
One of the many blogs hosted at SOA Web Services Journal is one by Web 2.0 Workgroup member Dion Hinchcliffe. In terms of page views, the blog crossed the 500K mark after just over 90 days...here are the exact stats:
Hits since 24 Sep 2005:
502,587
(4,786.54 per day)
Total Blog Entries:
55
(0.52 per day)
Total Comments: 396
The topic of Web 2.0, and related offshoot movements like Identity 2.0, TV 2.0, Democracy 2.0, Law 2.0 is a major grassroots topic of interest. It's as simple as that.
To the detractors one can only remind them what Bill Watterson used to say: "It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept."
Never mind just the UK. The horror will be continent-wide: France, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Holland, Germany...need one go on? And that's before you even begin with a shudder to contemplate what will be going through the minds of the Russians, the Chinese, the Japanese...I mean what can these two have been smoking when they had the Air Force press office deliberately produce a news release about this folly??
It ranks as the most extraordinarily unfortunate public U.S. pronouncement since Al Gore "invented" the Internet - which frankly I for one thought would never be surpassed.
There just went the USA's special relationship, or whatever is left of it, with the outside world. The "Age of U.S. Isolation" has begun. I just hope the US voters are 100% cool with it and above all will be able to cope with the global backlash that will be unleashed by this dangerous lunacy. They're about to start living full-time in Fortress America. Perfectly fine, so long as the average American citizen doesn't mind being locked in. But where's the evidence for that?
September 12 was, erm, over six weeks ago--this news about the ending of the so-called "derivative law suits" was dealt with by Java Developer's Journal (and tens of dozens of other major technology publications) long ago.
[from the article] "Unusual Settlement Arrangement Would End Derivative Lawsuits Once and For All, and Avoid a Trial"
Gmail is to email as...
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There's now a complete version here, published with Chris Wilson's consent so as to prevent, as he puts it, "angry
slashdotters blasting me because my hosting company can't handle it."
There's a very good post later on in the kerneltrap thread:
Linus is an engineer/tech. He dislikes theory work because it often gives nothing in practice.
However, specs are not always theory, and they may be usefull, as well as docs. He may be smart enough (or know linux code enough) to not need any doc/spec, but it's not the case of many other people. Some specs are good, and sometimes necessary.
He cited OSI model, well, but I can assure you I won't go in an airplane if it was done with Linus' practices... There are specs in some places that are good, and that are read and followed. Even in non-dangerous domains such as Web standards, specs are necessary, and those who don't follow these specs make crap softwares/browsers!
Moreover, in Linux development model, which is fuzzy and distributed, not directed, defining the software may be vain. However, in a commercial environment, defining the spec is really writing a contract, which protects both the customer and the editor. Specs there defines what the software can and must do, and ensures it will do. Linus obviously lacks of experience in industrial and critical projects. He may be right for the kernel development (however I still doubt it should be so entire on that subject), but he's wrong on many other domains.
IOW, Linus does here a generalization which is at least as wrong as are the examples he cited. As we say : "all generalization are false".
If he finds a bad spec, either it throws it away, or he fixes it. It's the same for technical docs. But he shouldn't tell every specs are useless and bad. That's wrong.
LinuxWorld's Mark Hinkle doesn't think Sun will buy Novell by the look of it, he thinks they'll buy Red Hat. Or maybe IBM will buy Red Hat. Looks like Novell isn't at the head of the line for takeover yet.
It dates back to a Marrill Lynch report last year that The Reg reported on, calling for Sun Microsystems to acquire either Red Hat or Novell in order to get themselves taken seriously in the Linux server market. The impetus would be coming from Sun, then, not necessarily from Novell itself. Does that make a bit more sense?
Slashdot Mirror
As Web 2.0 Journal this morning puts it, "One thing is an iPhone, but a skiPhone might just be the death-knell for (relative) silence on airplanes."
Brad Templeton's contributions as outlined here are now part of an article in Social Computing Magazine, "Did Blogging First Start in 1997, 1994...or 1983?". Thanks to Brad and to Slashdot for setting the record straight!
Oops, for AOL I meant to type 1988 of course. my bad.
When Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis created USENET as a system of online collaboration and interaction, they surely beat Web 2.0 to the count by more than two decades (1979 versus 2003).
Slashdot wasn't registered, I believe, till Nov 1996. I was thinking more along the lines perhaps of the first site being AOL's 1998 launch, with its notions of public buddy profiles that were discoverable by interest. There's a great timwline wiki here btw.
Wikipedia claims that "The first social networking website was Classmates.com, which began in 1995" - I wonder whether Slashdotters agree, or is there prior art? (SixDegrees.com didn't begin till 1997.)
Yes there are several articles about this aspect, the Law of Unintended Consequences in all its glory. For example "Indiscreet Photos on Social Networking Sites Can Hurt Career, Warns Expert". Although that cuts both ways of course: "Jobseekers Doing Online Background Checks On Employers, Too".
It is said that the first men to visit America believed that they had accidentally found Paradise, a second Garden of Eden. In the narrative of his third voyage, for example, Christopher Columbus wrote: 'For I believe that the earthly Paradise lies here,' and fifty years later the French essayist Michel de Montaigne was even more effusive: "In my opinion what we actually see in these nations surpasses all the pictures which the poets have drawn of the Golden Age..."
The guy who gave up $40K p.a. to go to Google is no different. And heck, maybe Web 2.0 even *is* going to be golden...for him and for many others too.
...the best example/s they know of a definition (or better still a demonstration) of "social search." Thanks much.
There are pretty good lists here, too...including Bill Dudney's:
Well, Web 2.0 Journal is already reporting that it's been "a couple of crazy days in the Blogosphere," but clearly that will be just a ripple compared to the tsunami that this article is certain to unleash. In the month that the Web turned sweet sixteen it is almost obscene to think that anyone should be deluded into thinking that a phenomenon this young could possibly already be moving into its third era. From childhood to le troisième âge, with no adolescence or even middle age. Please, let's bury "Web 3.0...now!
This will be easier to assess when we know more: would the team behind this care to write an article for Dion Hinchcliffe's AJAXWorld Magazine? He can be easily reached, just Google him.
Laszlo Systems' OpenLaszlo Platform Ushers in a "Digital Life" Application Suite .NET
Laszlo and Dojo Announce Strategic AJAX Partnership
Laszlo AJAX Platform To Support Flash, DHTML,
Interview with Jim Grandy of Laszlo Systems at the Real-World AJAX Seminar in San Jose
If you liked this article then you will surely like AJAX Developer's Journal , just launched digitally/online and replete with how-to articles and interviews, all freely available. It's edited by Rob Gonda.
Just so. Indeed, may I just offer, amid all this indignant debunking, a simple metric based on fact rather than prejudgement?
One of the many blogs hosted at SOA Web Services Journal is one by Web 2.0 Workgroup member Dion Hinchcliffe. In terms of page views, the blog crossed the 500K mark after just over 90 days...here are the exact stats:
Hits since 24 Sep 2005:
502,587
(4,786.54 per day)
Total Blog Entries:
55
(0.52 per day)
Total Comments: 396
The topic of Web 2.0, and related offshoot movements like Identity 2.0, TV 2.0, Democracy 2.0, Law 2.0 is a major grassroots topic of interest. It's as simple as that.
To the detractors one can only remind them what Bill Watterson used to say: "It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept."
There are multiple sets of technology predictions just publisheed here too, at the AJAX Developer's Journal site. Amazing how AJAX is a-booming!
Never mind just the UK. The horror will be continent-wide: France, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Holland, Germany...need one go on? And that's before you even begin with a shudder to contemplate what will be going through the minds of the Russians, the Chinese, the Japanese...I mean what can these two have been smoking when they had the Air Force press office deliberately produce a news release about this folly??
It ranks as the most extraordinarily unfortunate public U.S. pronouncement since Al Gore "invented" the Internet - which frankly I for one thought would never be surpassed.
There just went the USA's special relationship, or whatever is left of it, with the outside world. The "Age of U.S. Isolation" has begun. I just hope the US voters are 100% cool with it and above all will be able to cope with the global backlash that will be unleashed by this dangerous lunacy. They're about to start living full-time in Fortress America. Perfectly fine, so long as the average American citizen doesn't mind being locked in. But where's the evidence for that?
September 12 was, erm, over six weeks ago--this news about the ending of the so-called "derivative law suits" was dealt with by Java Developer's Journal (and tens of dozens of other major technology publications) long ago. [from the article] "Unusual Settlement Arrangement Would End Derivative Lawsuits Once and For All, and Avoid a Trial"
...Socrates is to Bette Midler.
There's now a complete version here, published with Chris Wilson's consent so as to prevent, as he puts it, "angry slashdotters blasting me because my hosting company can't handle it."
Google + Sun = ????
The Industry Guessing Game Has Begun
Linus is an engineer/tech. He dislikes theory work because it often gives nothing in practice.
However, specs are not always theory, and they may be usefull, as well as docs. He may be smart enough (or know linux code enough) to not need any doc/spec, but it's not the case of many other people. Some specs are good, and sometimes necessary.
He cited OSI model, well, but I can assure you I won't go in an airplane if it was done with Linus' practices... There are specs in some places that are good, and that are read and followed. Even in non-dangerous domains such as Web standards, specs are necessary, and those who don't follow these specs make crap softwares/browsers!
Moreover, in Linux development model, which is fuzzy and distributed, not directed, defining the software may be vain. However, in a commercial environment, defining the spec is really writing a contract, which protects both the customer and the editor. Specs there defines what the software can and must do, and ensures it will do. Linus obviously lacks of experience in industrial and critical projects. He may be right for the kernel development (however I still doubt it should be so entire on that subject), but he's wrong on many other domains.
IOW, Linus does here a generalization which is at least as wrong as are the examples he cited. As we say : "all generalization are false".
If he finds a bad spec, either it throws it away, or he fixes it. It's the same for technical docs. But he shouldn't tell every specs are useless and bad. That's wrong.
LinuxWorld's Mark Hinkle doesn't think Sun will buy Novell by the look of it, he thinks they'll buy Red Hat. Or maybe IBM will buy Red Hat. Looks like Novell isn't at the head of the line for takeover yet.
It dates back to a Marrill Lynch report last year that The Reg reported on, calling for Sun Microsystems to acquire either Red Hat or Novell in order to get themselves taken seriously in the Linux server market. The impetus would be coming from Sun, then, not necessarily from Novell itself. Does that make a bit more sense?
Maybe there's truth in the notion then that Sun might buy Novell. If it doesn't buy Red Hat first, as Mark Hinkle here seems to think it might.