Depends on when you buy them. Always buy just after a new modell are released and you get a decent deal. Better yet if you use some sort of student discount / ADC student membership / are a "real" ADC member /...
I saw the "Please support the uphuck.DVD project by paypal." on the webpages. I really hate all those begs for donations, as I did with Jaz ones for his Mac Pro.
If I/"you" are going to support someone why on earth would you support the pirates / people who don't develop it instead of the developers? It's like donating $20 to the pirate bay for each CD album you download, it doesn't make sense at all. If I'm going to pay I will do so to Apple thank you.
And in the case of Jaz he said he needed the mac pro so it could help with getting future releases done, some people was affraid he would stop make DVDs but no, that wasn't going to happen... But well, then he got it and so much for more disk images from him =P
Not that he was obligated to make any, but I guess some people may feel fooled. (I appologise if he's still active within the community and still makes things possible.)
Anyway I've always said I could see myself paying 4000 sek or so for OS X and something which worked, thought I didn't wanted to pay 20.000 sek for a whole mac. But then in the end I got this Macbook Pro because I'd better do what I say. Sure a Dell Vostro would had been cheaper and does similair things, but I wouldn't support Apple then would I? And the price difference wasn't enormous.
Yeah, to begin with I can't see how this can be "news", it have been possible for so long and it improve all the time. One don't need to be one of the most powerful power users, if one already have the right hardware one don't have to be more powerful than being able to install Windows or whatever Linux distribution. It's not hard.
Also I don't know if one can really consider oneself a nerd if one haven't run some Linux dist, installed OS X just because one can, run some other architecture than x86 and small things like that.
If you had a DS on the toilet you would understand..;)
And I actually have three screens, the two on the DS and the one on my Macbook Pro. But I'm not playing on the mac at the toilet, just other stuff, like answering this post..;)
WHY make support for it because you "have to"? Then there are no reason for people to not use it. I do understand people are desperate for users for whatever reason (why give a shit if the software are free anyway?)
But as long as open office supports say doc many people will save in doc, and same in ooxml aswell. Just ignore the format. The less support it have from others the better if you want it to die as a standard. By supporting the format you make it MORE of a standard.
The weird thing with that is that Carlsberg says they have "probably the best beer in the world" but the ingredient list only lists malt and yeast, no hops, what's up with that!!?
178 degrees is a normal value for IPS-panels and such, only TN specs max at 160. I expect some quality loss is accepted, I mean, TN changes looks for any small movement of your head.
They? It only seems like a single guy who has gotten this idea and talked about it with "Almi fÃretagspartner" which is a government own organisation which tries to help individuals realise their ideas and if possible start a new company in the end. And then Almi probably helped him a little with how to get the patents and prototypes and such. But for all I know he may not even be a coder at all, and he probably have no equipment for making the product either.
If he started to build them on a bigger scale and earned some money on it I guess then he could try to get things like that fixed.
After playing an hour of Yoshi Touch&Go on _THE_ throne at the NDS 3" 256x192 LCD your big screen options seems rather crappy.
Projectors and 30" monitors may be great and all, but how do you get them into the toilet?... I guess if I had a keyboard and mouse I could fold out from the wall, the machine built into the wall, screen ceiling mounted, oh wait, never mind, 30" is the shit!
Sorry for my spam of replies to your post, but I guess this can help more people out.
Seems like Openfire did indeed had support for avatars thru transports aswell! "1.2.0 -- October 31, 2007 Improvements [GATE-10] - Buddy icons are now retrieved from AIM/ICQ, XMPP/GTalk, and MSN"
And there are support for offline messages (I don't understand if there was for MSN aswell but maybe:) "1.1.1 -- August 19, 2007 [GATE-196] - ICQ offline messages now working properly"
So atleast they do something:), if file transfers worked aswell it would be close enough for me:)
Cool with server in Java aswell, thought most people here don't like Java but I don't like them;)
The Openfire server seemed quite nice, and Spark supported many platforms aswell, but I have no idea if the gateways support what I want. Are those common among the clients so the feature sets are the same or does each server implement their own so some can support more functionalites?
First of all, thanks for your extensive reply, it's much appreciated since I indeed don't follow the development of Jabber that much, I use to always have an account but since noone else does it's not much use for me so. I've tried lots of clients thought to see which ones could do what and worked best for me. Anyway:
For me the additions of support for offline messages, file transfers, webcam and voip don't mean much if not (almost) all servers and clients supports them. I have no idea if file transfers use to work, the other guy I used jabber with used it in bitlbee in irssi and I don't think that supports file transfers for any IM protocol, if most jabber supports it's that's fine. I have not having offline messages, MSN didn't supported them for long and even now Adium does not support them for MSN which is sooo annoying. Afaik I haven't been able to send offline messages to people on jabber so. Same with gtalks voip, if they are the only ones who support it what good is it for me? I have understood that one can do a lot with XMPP, but aslong as their isn't a least common feature set it's quite useless anyway.
Sapo looked cool, to bad it only seems to be on portugese.
PSY? I can't find it, do you mean PSI?
What are the best jabber client to use? Which ones does support file transfers, avatars and offline messages with eachother? Which ones does offer voip and webcam support aswell in a standard way which works with other clients?
Do you speak for USA or for the world at large? All I know is that everyone here in Sweden uses MSN, and a few of my most nerdy friends still have ICQ running but everyone got MSN aswell so it's really no use (except it's superior..) And that's kind of all that matters to me since those are the people I talk to. I would have a hard time convincing anyone to use Jabber because noone would see a use for it considering noone else uses it.
Are Sapos and Gtalks voip and webcam functionality compatible with eachother or not?
If AIM and ICQ moved over from Oscar to Jabber it would really own because then there would be enough users to foster further development. I don't see why Yahoo would have to move over considering MSN is _EVERYTHING_ when it comes to instant messaging over here.
Regarding Jabber transports I've always seen them as lame hacks to make it kind of work because people don't have any friends which actually use Jabber anyway. I've added all my friends thru them but since avatars don't show up, file transfers don't work, and so on it's useless and I'm forced to use a clients which supports many protocols anyway and then I have removed them from the jabber transports. I also don't like the idea that everything I send are sent over the jabber server aswell or that my login details are stored on it (thought that can be solved by running your own jabberserver.)
Anyway, in my opinion Jabber sounded cool the first time I heard about it whenever that was, but kind of nothing have happened at most clients still look like crap and it don't support most of the features the other IM clients/protocols has so it's rather useless.
What would make me switch would be a client which is well integrated with the OS (which in this case is OS X, adium don't do webcams and voip in any protocol so I guess that is screwed, iChat sucks balls and there is no chance Apple will improve it between OS releases. Btw, there is one thing I would like to see in all Jabber clients aswell, shared desktop/applications, image shows, webcam with multiple people & voip and so on in a way compatible with iChat.), got support for avatars, file transfers, offline messages, voip and webcam and either many users or transports which can handle all the native features of each protocol aswell, that is it need to be able to send files to an MSN user aswell, or even run a webcam session.)
Before that it will just be another account in my multi-protocol-capable client which more or less are only used to earn nerd points and not for chat.
Are those part of some "forced" standard or just additions? Because if the actual server software or the users clients lacks support it doesn't help much... The benefit of a closed ones are that everyone run the same things atleast.
Yeah, I think you can "talk" in Google talk, but I doubt it's a jabber standard and will work against my adium..
One feature I know about are the chat rooms, but then we already have IRC so who needs them? (Who needs IM at all considering we had IRC..)
I just remember some old Slashdot article or whatever where it was told like it was 1 or 2 servers which people actually did something with and very few clients where anything actually happened.
I think Adium had some jabber features for their google summer of code, I don't run KDE longer since I'm on a mac and regarding Psi I have no idea but I would never use a jabber-only client unless it supports all msn/icq/.. features over transports, which they don't.
Few? Such as no offline messages, (how are file transfers?), no webcam, no voip, no users? Not to mention sort of no development of the protocol, clients or servers nowadays, or atleast so I'm told. There exist some decent clients thought (PSI, tkabber, adium, gizmo project.)
I know there was some talk about the AOL EULA for AIM which people didn't liked, but what more is bad with it? Bloated ICQ? The protocol? I have no idea. I don't use their client (which indeed suck donkey arse.)
I use ICQ in Adium, and most people which use it in Windows use Miranda. Neither of which I'd call bloated.
I saw the numbers on Jabberusers, but afamfg (as far as my friends goes) I only know one person except me which use jabber. Atleast I know a few which use ICQ still. Also in my opinion Jabber don't support as many features as ICQ so I'd prefer ICQ (except for the closed part.)
Since people say the Quadro drivers renders more precisely but slower and the Geforce ones less accurate but faster I would guess that you would indeed get better gaming performance with regular 8700m gt drivers.
If it's only software (and eventually a firmware flash with no risks, if that's possible on any firmware flash..) why not just try it out and see? But I'd take speed over accuracy for games any day:) (The images move around a lot anyway, who look into details?)
I think he based it only on his "they are most expensive for a reason you know.", or what would be: They must be more expensive for a reason you know.
The argument that they would be much faster then geforce cards falls on: Why would nvidia not offer the fastest cards for gamers aswell? Some gamers are willing to pay for it.
So of course they offer the best they can make to everyone who wants it. No matter under what line name.
Part of that was because peoples Java experience came from Microsofts own crappy version, as another user have already pointed out. I'm sure if Microsoft made youtube work like shit in Windows many people would switch aswell.
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Depends on when you buy them. Always buy just after a new modell are released and you get a decent deal. Better yet if you use some sort of student discount / ADC student membership / are a "real" ADC member / ...
I saw the "Please support the uphuck.DVD project by paypal." on the webpages. I really hate all those begs for donations, as I did with Jaz ones for his Mac Pro.
If I/"you" are going to support someone why on earth would you support the pirates / people who don't develop it instead of the developers? It's like donating $20 to the pirate bay for each CD album you download, it doesn't make sense at all. If I'm going to pay I will do so to Apple thank you.
And in the case of Jaz he said he needed the mac pro so it could help with getting future releases done, some people was affraid he would stop make DVDs but no, that wasn't going to happen... But well, then he got it and so much for more disk images from him =P
Not that he was obligated to make any, but I guess some people may feel fooled. (I appologise if he's still active within the community and still makes things possible.)
Anyway I've always said I could see myself paying 4000 sek or so for OS X and something which worked, thought I didn't wanted to pay 20.000 sek for a whole mac. But then in the end I got this Macbook Pro because I'd better do what I say. Sure a Dell Vostro would had been cheaper and does similair things, but I wouldn't support Apple then would I? And the price difference wasn't enormous.
Yeah, to begin with I can't see how this can be "news", it have been possible for so long and it improve all the time. One don't need to be one of the most powerful power users, if one already have the right hardware one don't have to be more powerful than being able to install Windows or whatever Linux distribution. It's not hard.
Also I don't know if one can really consider oneself a nerd if one haven't run some Linux dist, installed OS X just because one can, run some other architecture than x86 and small things like that.
Is it weird english or no english at all or just wrong english?
How do you say "vid nÃrmare eftertanke" or something like that in english then?
If you had a DS on the toilet you would understand .. ;)
.. ;)
And I actually have three screens, the two on the DS and the one on my Macbook Pro. But I'm not playing on the mac at the toilet, just other stuff, like answering this post
WHY make support for it because you "have to"? Then there are no reason for people to not use it. I do understand people are desperate for users for whatever reason (why give a shit if the software are free anyway?)
But as long as open office supports say doc many people will save in doc, and same in ooxml aswell. Just ignore the format. The less support it have from others the better if you want it to die as a standard. By supporting the format you make it MORE of a standard.
Omg, the last part was so funny and so true. The hit really hurts thought :/
:)
I'd still think you deserve a +10 insightful for it
The weird thing with that is that Carlsberg says they have "probably the best beer in the world" but the ingredient list only lists malt and yeast, no hops, what's up with that!!?
178 degrees is a normal value for IPS-panels and such, only TN specs max at 160. I expect some quality loss is accepted, I mean, TN changes looks for any small movement of your head.
Tried playing at fov 145 on a regular monitor? Up to 115-120 or so in quake is ok but then it gets hard for me (thought I'm no pro.)
He meant the jdome, not the Vision Station.
They? It only seems like a single guy who has gotten this idea and talked about it with "Almi fÃretagspartner" which is a government own organisation which tries to help individuals realise their ideas and if possible start a new company in the end. And then Almi probably helped him a little with how to get the patents and prototypes and such. But for all I know he may not even be a coder at all, and he probably have no equipment for making the product either.
If he started to build them on a bigger scale and earned some money on it I guess then he could try to get things like that fixed.
After playing an hour of Yoshi Touch&Go on _THE_ throne at the NDS 3" 256x192 LCD your big screen options seems rather crappy.
... I guess if I had a keyboard and mouse I could fold out from the wall, the machine built into the wall, screen ceiling mounted, oh wait, never mind, 30" is the shit!
Projectors and 30" monitors may be great and all, but how do you get them into the toilet?
Sorry for my spam of replies to your post, but I guess this can help more people out.
:), if file transfers worked aswell it would be close enough for me :)
;)
Seems like Openfire did indeed had support for avatars thru transports aswell!
"1.2.0 -- October 31, 2007
Improvements
[GATE-10] - Buddy icons are now retrieved from AIM/ICQ, XMPP/GTalk, and MSN"
Seems like file transfers aren't there, but atleast the server doesn't crash:
http://www.igniterealtime.org/issues/browse/GATE-310
And there are support for offline messages (I don't understand if there was for MSN aswell but maybe:)
"1.1.1 -- August 19, 2007
[GATE-196] - ICQ offline messages now working properly"
So atleast they do something
Cool with server in Java aswell, thought most people here don't like Java but I don't like them
The Openfire server seemed quite nice, and Spark supported many platforms aswell, but I have no idea if the gateways support what I want. Are those common among the clients so the feature sets are the same or does each server implement their own so some can support more functionalites?
First of all, thanks for your extensive reply, it's much appreciated since I indeed don't follow the development of Jabber that much, I use to always have an account but since noone else does it's not much use for me so. I've tried lots of clients thought to see which ones could do what and worked best for me. Anyway:
For me the additions of support for offline messages, file transfers, webcam and voip don't mean much if not (almost) all servers and clients supports them. I have no idea if file transfers use to work, the other guy I used jabber with used it in bitlbee in irssi and I don't think that supports file transfers for any IM protocol, if most jabber supports it's that's fine. I have not having offline messages, MSN didn't supported them for long and even now Adium does not support them for MSN which is sooo annoying. Afaik I haven't been able to send offline messages to people on jabber so.
Same with gtalks voip, if they are the only ones who support it what good is it for me? I have understood that one can do a lot with XMPP, but aslong as their isn't a least common feature set it's quite useless anyway.
Sapo looked cool, to bad it only seems to be on portugese.
PSY? I can't find it, do you mean PSI?
What are the best jabber client to use? Which ones does support file transfers, avatars and offline messages with eachother? Which ones does offer voip and webcam support aswell in a standard way which works with other clients?
Do you speak for USA or for the world at large? All I know is that everyone here in Sweden uses MSN, and a few of my most nerdy friends still have ICQ running but everyone got MSN aswell so it's really no use (except it's superior..)
And that's kind of all that matters to me since those are the people I talk to. I would have a hard time convincing anyone to use Jabber because noone would see a use for it considering noone else uses it.
Are Sapos and Gtalks voip and webcam functionality compatible with eachother or not?
If AIM and ICQ moved over from Oscar to Jabber it would really own because then there would be enough users to foster further development.
I don't see why Yahoo would have to move over considering MSN is _EVERYTHING_ when it comes to instant messaging over here.
Regarding Jabber transports I've always seen them as lame hacks to make it kind of work because people don't have any friends which actually use Jabber anyway. I've added all my friends thru them but since avatars don't show up, file transfers don't work, and so on it's useless and I'm forced to use a clients which supports many protocols anyway and then I have removed them from the jabber transports. I also don't like the idea that everything I send are sent over the jabber server aswell or that my login details are stored on it (thought that can be solved by running your own jabberserver.)
Anyway, in my opinion Jabber sounded cool the first time I heard about it whenever that was, but kind of nothing have happened at most clients still look like crap and it don't support most of the features the other IM clients/protocols has so it's rather useless.
What would make me switch would be a client which is well integrated with the OS (which in this case is OS X, adium don't do webcams and voip in any protocol so I guess that is screwed, iChat sucks balls and there is no chance Apple will improve it between OS releases. Btw, there is one thing I would like to see in all Jabber clients aswell, shared desktop/applications, image shows, webcam with multiple people & voip and so on in a way compatible with iChat.), got support for avatars, file transfers, offline messages, voip and webcam and either many users or transports which can handle all the native features of each protocol aswell, that is it need to be able to send files to an MSN user aswell, or even run a webcam session.)
Before that it will just be another account in my multi-protocol-capable client which more or less are only used to earn nerd points and not for chat.
Are those part of some "forced" standard or just additions? Because if the actual server software or the users clients lacks support it doesn't help much ... The benefit of a closed ones are that everyone run the same things atleast.
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..)
Yeah, I think you can "talk" in Google talk, but I doubt it's a jabber standard and will work against my adium
One feature I know about are the chat rooms, but then we already have IRC so who needs them? (Who needs IM at all considering we had IRC
I just remember some old Slashdot article or whatever where it was told like it was 1 or 2 servers which people actually did something with and very few clients where anything actually happened.
I think Adium had some jabber features for their google summer of code, I don't run KDE longer since I'm on a mac and regarding Psi I have no idea but I would never use a jabber-only client unless it supports all msn/icq/.. features over transports, which they don't.
Because as we all know Internet is for porn.
RNA had you beaten, I guess.
Few? Such as no offline messages, (how are file transfers?), no webcam, no voip, no users? Not to mention sort of no development of the protocol, clients or servers nowadays, or atleast so I'm told. There exist some decent clients thought (PSI, tkabber, adium, gizmo project.)
I know there was some talk about the AOL EULA for AIM which people didn't liked, but what more is bad with it? Bloated ICQ? The protocol? I have no idea. I don't use their client (which indeed suck donkey arse.)
I use ICQ in Adium, and most people which use it in Windows use Miranda. Neither of which I'd call bloated.
I saw the numbers on Jabberusers, but afamfg (as far as my friends goes) I only know one person except me which use jabber. Atleast I know a few which use ICQ still. Also in my opinion Jabber don't support as many features as ICQ so I'd prefer ICQ (except for the closed part.)
Since people say the Quadro drivers renders more precisely but slower and the Geforce ones less accurate but faster I would guess that you would indeed get better gaming performance with regular 8700m gt drivers.
..) why not just try it out and see? But I'd take speed over accuracy for games any day :) (The images move around a lot anyway, who look into details?)
If it's only software (and eventually a firmware flash with no risks, if that's possible on any firmware flash
I think he based it only on his "they are most expensive for a reason you know.", or what would be: They must be more expensive for a reason you know.
The argument that they would be much faster then geforce cards falls on: Why would nvidia not offer the fastest cards for gamers aswell? Some gamers are willing to pay for it.
So of course they offer the best they can make to everyone who wants it. No matter under what line name.
Part of that was because peoples Java experience came from Microsofts own crappy version, as another user have already pointed out. I'm sure if Microsoft made youtube work like shit in Windows many people would switch aswell.