I didn't saw the JAVA Desktop as a final product thought. I got the CD of a demo version and tried it, and sure, it was a Linux LIVE-CD with gnome, staroffice and mozilla, but then what? I don't think it was a real try of accepting and using Linux, I think it was more of a test running on Linux first since they didn't had Solaris ready.
I don't see why people are upset, it's not like Solaris was a major Linux player anyway, and for the people who used/uses/are intresting to use the JAVA Desktop to have it running on Solaris instead of Linux wouldn't matter that much.
i would probably not doubt them so much if they made a more whole-heartly leap into Linux some day, but I don't understand the people who seem to have thought Sun where more or less giving up Solaris just because they made a desktop for Linux.
In this case Solaris is probably the better product aswell, back then I would had been MORE intrested in the JAVA Desktop if it was a Solaris LIVE-CD.
Regarding your last comment I don't see why we have to have these UNIX wars, I prefer the BSDs over Linux but many of you guys always say BSD is dying, so what, it's still a nicer OS (even thought it have a hard time competing in benchmarks). The UNIX market is so small anyway, and with more alternatives not all OSes have to fit all purposes and programs are beeing written more portable, only bad thing is the development of programs might take slightly more time due to bug repports from various OSes.
I want a living UNIX market, not one where Linux is the only project alive.
I know I've managed the whole game, but whould be weird if I allowed to have skipped levels left, so probably I've done them all althought I'm not sure. I have no idea how long it took, but atleast not forever;)
Atleast I would be happy to see something new instead of just reinventing the old (UNIX), but there are things like skyos, syllable, haiku/openbeos and so on so something happen on this front to. I only wish AROS made something new instead of trying to get an AOS 3.0 os. They should shoot for what would have been AOS 5.0/6.0 instead;D
Didn't Solaris use IPF? Or atleast could use it? I really like IPF/PF, so what is the advantage of IPtables? I just think the syntax is weird.
Package managment? I don't know about Solaris but if their pkg_add is similair to the BSDs it works but not much more, kind of the same situation that RPM is in;). But they have pkgsrc from NetBSD to, which Sun recently supported with hardware, and I do like pkgsrc. Also I suppose we'll see things like Debian GNU/Solaris and Gentoo on Solaris soon anyway. And probably more package managment tools when it starts to kick of in the open-source world.
Color ls: Couldn't care less, in BSD I don't have it either, you can of course compile the GPL-version and use it anytime you want.
Tar with gzip: Solaris comes with a bunch of GNU utils to, tar is probably one of them (atleast in open-solaris).
Yeah, we'll likely see a lot of comments like "sun changing their mind ones again" and complaints. But why would they use Linux to begin with? I guess in the early days of the JDS they didn't had the Solaris x86 (current version), but once they had it why would they keep on using Linux? Even less so when they open-source Solaris and try to gain more momentum.
Right now I think they are doing everything right. x86 Solaris, Open-Solaris, cheap x86 workstations, soon(?) to be open Java.
I'll probably install Open-Solaris on my own machine real-soon-now.
What I like about both Solaris and the BSDs are the great & easy to find documentation, the huge amount of dists in the Linux world plus the fact that they use different user-land tools doesn't help. But if you go with a larger one I suppose the documentation is decent for Linux aswell.
The game needs to have a clever or fun design, who cares how it looks. Try elastomania across or whatever it's name is, it's simple yet kick-ass. Same goes for lemmings and so on:). "Puzzle"/skill games like those are games I like, even thought I never think about it, and also Strategy and the regular Quake FPS for relaxing.
That was what i wanted to say, but since there was already 100 comments someone must had already said it.
Since your work seems to be you and your buddies sitting at your computers, don't stay there during lunch playing some silly game. Go use your body.
Most of my friends in the warez business seems happy with WD drives, and they should know. I have two 80GB special edition 8MB drives which I have had for 2.5 years, no troubles. But sure, they do sound a bit, don't know if that's true for the newer drives however. Don't know about the quality of Samsung drives, but the last modell is fast and all are quiet and cool. Seagate is good of course:)
Seems like it was 14 50GB disks, but let's make it easy and said it was raid 0 of 2 250GB disks, then that's not 512GB is it? And also it's only 465GB of data. (most manufacturers count 1GB as 1.000.000.000 Bytes.)
500GB raid5 array for $250 is impressive, would cost much more here, using 14 disks might not be the best option but that haven't got as much to do with it at all.
awesome, makes me wanna play mario and all nes games for sure, but i never take me the time to do it, if the downloads are free i might buy a revolution just to do take the tame... even thought it's quite easy to get the roms for an emulator anyway, but that doesn't feel right.
Well, to bad I'm just an ordinary guy and not some flashy rich EU-politican which can travel to Brussels just for the joy talking to the people which are more or less employed by me.
You don't think they are mentioned on the net already? And also they probably run good enough spam filters. Also I post my own real address everywhere.
However the inger.segelstrom@riksdagen.se wasn't valid longer, I tried with inger.segelstrom@europarl.eu.int but that failed aswell. If anyone know the right address please let me know.
I think the HD-DVD where close to the current DVD, like 0.6mm thick coating or whatever, but only 0.1mm for the Blu-Ray. I guess someone else can tell us for sure.
However I don't see the alternative for the MD back in the days, and I wouldn't call it unsuccesful, there have been lots of MD players haven't it? But sure, it has lost again flash memory based MP3 players, but they wheren't available back then was they?
All I can say I don't want Linux anyway, all I want is MacOS X. Itunes in Windows was fast on this machine, amarok in Linux, well;), also it uses 130MB+.
They just made me think twice about getting a 20" iMac, if it wasn't for this x86 shit I was more or less convinced, now I might wait and run this more or less Linux crap until then.
Since the BSDs are oses and Linux is a kernel he probably compares the code quality of ALL in BSD (not ports/packages of course) with the Linux kernel (and maybe some core utils). I don't see him mention anything about interfaces at all so I don't know where you got that from.
The question you should ask yourself should be: Did BSD lose from this?
You, the people who belives one have to lose something if someone gain something from your work, are just like the record and movie industry. Sure the BSD TCP/-IP stack might have been used in other OSes, sure OpenBSD might end up in firewall products, and sure FreeBSD code ended up in Apples MacOS X. But what bad have that done to the *BSD people? Also probably Apple contribute there they feel fit, they don't lose anything on that, and the same goes for the companies which might make firewalls.
The problem with GPL software is companies might skip to make their product because they don't want to give away their work. But that gives us less alternatives and probably less ideas (Company A uses whatever open software as the base for product B, if the product is intresting the OSS movement can still copy it by doing their own version.)
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I didn't saw the JAVA Desktop as a final product thought. I got the CD of a demo version and tried it, and sure, it was a Linux LIVE-CD with gnome, staroffice and mozilla, but then what?
I don't think it was a real try of accepting and using Linux, I think it was more of a test running on Linux first since they didn't had Solaris ready.
I don't see why people are upset, it's not like Solaris was a major Linux player anyway, and for the people who used/uses/are intresting to use the JAVA Desktop to have it running on Solaris instead of Linux wouldn't matter that much.
i would probably not doubt them so much if they made a more whole-heartly leap into Linux some day, but I don't understand the people who seem to have thought Sun where more or less giving up Solaris just because they made a desktop for Linux.
In this case Solaris is probably the better product aswell, back then I would had been MORE intrested in the JAVA Desktop if it was a Solaris LIVE-CD.
Regarding your last comment I don't see why we have to have these UNIX wars, I prefer the BSDs over Linux but many of you guys always say BSD is dying, so what, it's still a nicer OS (even thought it have a hard time competing in benchmarks). The UNIX market is so small anyway, and with more alternatives not all OSes have to fit all purposes and programs are beeing written more portable, only bad thing is the development of programs might take slightly more time due to bug repports from various OSes.
I want a living UNIX market, not one where Linux is the only project alive.
I know I've managed the whole game, but whould be weird if I allowed to have skipped levels left, so probably I've done them all althought I'm not sure. ;)
I have no idea how long it took, but atleast not forever
Atleast I would be happy to see something new instead of just reinventing the old (UNIX), but there are things like skyos, syllable, haiku/openbeos and so on so something happen on this front to. I only wish AROS made something new instead of trying to get an AOS 3.0 os. They should shoot for what would have been AOS 5.0/6.0 instead ;D
Didn't Solaris use IPF? Or atleast could use it? I really like IPF/PF, so what is the advantage of IPtables? I just think the syntax is weird.
;). But they have pkgsrc from NetBSD to, which Sun recently supported with hardware, and I do like pkgsrc. Also I suppose we'll see things like Debian GNU/Solaris and Gentoo on Solaris soon anyway.
Package managment? I don't know about Solaris but if their pkg_add is similair to the BSDs it works but not much more, kind of the same situation that RPM is in
And probably more package managment tools when it starts to kick of in the open-source world.
Color ls: Couldn't care less, in BSD I don't have it either, you can of course compile the GPL-version and use it anytime you want.
Tar with gzip: Solaris comes with a bunch of GNU utils to, tar is probably one of them (atleast in open-solaris).
I think that was all...
But what if Sun JAVA becomes open-source? Would it be ok then?
And also any larger companies like RedHat, IBM, Novell and such probably affect gnome and Linux to.
Yeah, we'll likely see a lot of comments like "sun changing their mind ones again" and complaints. But why would they use Linux to begin with? I guess in the early days of the JDS they didn't had the Solaris x86 (current version), but once they had it why would they keep on using Linux?
Even less so when they open-source Solaris and try to gain more momentum.
Right now I think they are doing everything right. x86 Solaris, Open-Solaris, cheap x86 workstations, soon(?) to be open Java.
I'll probably install Open-Solaris on my own machine real-soon-now.
What I like about both Solaris and the BSDs are the great & easy to find documentation, the huge amount of dists in the Linux world plus the fact that they use different user-land tools doesn't help. But if you go with a larger one I suppose the documentation is decent for Linux aswell.
Hardware, support, education, software, ?
Yes.
:).
The game needs to have a clever or fun design, who cares how it looks. Try elastomania across or whatever it's name is, it's simple yet kick-ass. Same goes for lemmings and so on
"Puzzle"/skill games like those are games I like, even thought I never think about it, and also Strategy and the regular Quake FPS for relaxing.
Quake was love.
My first thought was who can afford 14 GOOD speakers, if it's those crap speakers from whatever ~$400 package I don't see the usage for it.
Heck, even regular STEREO setup with good speakers is probably better than 5 soda can speakers.
Exactly, please don't fuck it up even more, who knows what effects that ring might have in the long term.
Solve the cause instead.
That was what i wanted to say, but since there was already 100 comments someone must had already said it. Since your work seems to be you and your buddies sitting at your computers, don't stay there during lunch playing some silly game. Go use your body.
But if the OS drive dies you don't lose your data.
Most of my friends in the warez business seems happy with WD drives, and they should know. :)
I have two 80GB special edition 8MB drives which I have had for 2.5 years, no troubles. But sure, they do sound a bit, don't know if that's true for the newer drives however.
Don't know about the quality of Samsung drives, but the last modell is fast and all are quiet and cool.
Seagate is good of course
Seems like it was 14 50GB disks, but let's make it easy and said it was raid 0 of 2 250GB disks, then that's not 512GB is it? And also it's only 465GB of data. (most manufacturers count 1GB as 1.000.000.000 Bytes.)
500GB raid5 array for $250 is impressive, would cost much more here, using 14 disks might not be the best option but that haven't got as much to do with it at all.
awesome, makes me wanna play mario and all nes games for sure, but i never take me the time to do it, if the downloads are free i might buy a revolution just to do take the tame... even thought it's quite easy to get the roms for an emulator anyway, but that doesn't feel right.
Well, to bad I'm just an ordinary guy and not some flashy rich EU-politican which can travel to Brussels just for the joy talking to the people which are more or less employed by me.
You don't think they are mentioned on the net already? And also they probably run good enough spam filters. Also I post my own real address everywhere.
I've found the right e-mail address to all of them except one, if you want to tell them what you think, here's the addresses:
e u.int, cfjellner@europarl.eu.int,o m, anna.hedh@telia.com,. int, nlundgren@europarl.eu.int,u .int, carl.schlyter@mp.se,. int, anders@wijkman.nu, lars.wohlin@telia.com,n .se, maria@liberal.se
jandersson@europarl.eu.int, charlotte.cederschiold@moderat.se,
lek@europarl.
helene.goudin@telia.c
ehedkvist@europarl.eu.int, ghokmark@europarl.eu.int,
aibrisagic@europarl.eu
cmalmstrom@europarl.e
jsjostedt@europarl.eu.int, e-b.svensson@bredband.net,
awestlund@europarl.eu
inger.segelstrom@riksdage
However the inger.segelstrom@riksdagen.se wasn't valid longer, I tried with inger.segelstrom@europarl.eu.int but that failed aswell. If anyone know the right address please let me know.
I think the HD-DVD where close to the current DVD, like 0.6mm thick coating or whatever, but only 0.1mm for the Blu-Ray. I guess someone else can tell us for sure.
However I don't see the alternative for the MD back in the days, and I wouldn't call it unsuccesful, there have been lots of MD players haven't it? But sure, it has lost again flash memory based MP3 players, but they wheren't available back then was they?
All I can say I don't want Linux anyway, all I want is MacOS X. Itunes in Windows was fast on this machine, amarok in Linux, well ;), also it uses 130MB+.
They just made me think twice about getting a 20" iMac, if it wasn't for this x86 shit I was more or less convinced, now I might wait and run this more or less Linux crap until then.
I ignore those stupid laws.
If I post and write about some piece of software I'm even ADVERTISING their product, what's the issue?
Since the BSDs are oses and Linux is a kernel he probably compares the code quality of ALL in BSD (not ports/packages of course) with the Linux kernel (and maybe some core utils). I don't see him mention anything about interfaces at all so I don't know where you got that from.
The question you should ask yourself should be: Did BSD lose from this?
You, the people who belives one have to lose something if someone gain something from your work, are just like the record and movie industry. Sure the BSD TCP/-IP stack might have been used in other OSes, sure OpenBSD might end up in firewall products, and sure FreeBSD code ended up in Apples MacOS X. But what bad have that done to the *BSD people? Also probably Apple contribute there they feel fit, they don't lose anything on that, and the same goes for the companies which might make firewalls.
The problem with GPL software is companies might skip to make their product because they don't want to give away their work. But that gives us less alternatives and probably less ideas (Company A uses whatever open software as the base for product B, if the product is intresting the OSS movement can still copy it by doing their own version.)