I should have added that NetBSD has a page with documentation for their pkgsrc which sorts out most of the questions you could have for it. For example that you've got/etc/mk.conf with build configurations, audit-packages which keeps track of any security vulnerabilities in the pkg tree, pkglint which tells you if you have any outdated packages installed and that you can upgrade packages with the command make update.
Combined they make a very good package system to. Don't know if make update handles dependencies in both directions thought.
Nice to know, I'm sure I've added some option to the make command some time but I never used it regulary in BSD and had no idea they could be set in/etc/make.conf. Thanks.
Portage doesn't replace makefiles, at least not the ones provided to build the actual program.
I know that, I just wanted to tell that portage didn't used Makefiles to make it work.
Portage was inspired by NetBSD's pkgsrc which was derived from FreeBSD ports. Flags like PROVIDES are similar to USE and somewhat comparable to FreeBSD's make options for ports e.g. "NO_GUI"=true and stuff like that. I do like the USE idea though.
I actually didn't thought about that possibility, even thought I've used it sometimes. But sure the USE-flags is more convenient. Will make for the BSD ports complain if the option isn't available? If not i suppose it would be quite easy to do your own script which just add the options you want in BSD aswell.
The Gentoo "rc scripts" are also very NetBSD inspired and recently FreeBSD has followed this approach, e.g. using PROVIDES, and BEFORE, etc.
Never heard of PROVIDES or BEFORE earlier, will ask google about that one.
Personally I like NetBSD most, but it got nothing with ports vs portage to do, it's just that all the BSDs got excellent documentation and that NetBSD has the files in intelligent places and that you don't have to upgrade the whole OS so often. OpenBSD is ok aswell but fails a little on the desktop side, and it's nice to see FreeBSD 5.x uses gcc 3.x now adays. Currently my machine runs gentoo since a half year or something because I bought a new one back then and wanted to try it out. We'll see then I have enough time and energy to switch back.
The huge difference between ports and portage is that portage has replaced makefiles and instead uses a python based solution. They also got USE-flags there you can specify stuff like "X ssl gtk -kde -cups" and stuff like that, to make applications which can use X and ssl compile with those options enabled, but not compile kde and cups support.
Then I first tried gentoo I thought portage was better than ports, but that was because I hadn't read the onlamp article about portupgrade.
The differences I've noted is that portage is upgraded every now and then which gives you the small trouble of running etc-update and upgrade it's config files. It might actually be broken at some times to.
Ports on the other side is rock solid and has been used for a much longer time. You can of course set compiler flags for ports to, and atleast for freebsd the upgrade tool is as good as the gentoo one. I do however like netbsds approch most since their pkgsrc seems most intelligent with their/usr/pkg path for everything installed from it. I must admit I don't know that much about their different port handling tools thought, I've mostly used make install.
The huge advantage of gentoos portage is the USE-flags, which I really like. Don't know if it would be hard to get the same functionallity in the BSDs without using portage, or if there already are a few alternatives which works almost the same way. Feel free to reply or e-mail me information about usefull ports tools if you have any.
I hate all the games where you get punished, especially if it's from the computer, that's why I liked quake. You die, you hit the buttons and there you are playing again.
Sure, strategic games and such should be hard to, but since I know I can die and be forced to replay the level I always saves every now and then or just simply don't play at all since I actually get bored (that is probably more true of games like WC3 there the single player missions was so boring). Can't say it would be better if the levels where so simple you couldn't die either thought (the WC3 single player normal levels actually are..).
I've never been a friend of continues either, to play the same game all the time is just boring. I think we got two clear winners here, the multiplayer FPS games there you can just join the game again and the adventure games (probably space simulation and MRPG aswell) like Monkey Island II there the levels are hard but you can't die. Why should so many games contain the die element anyway? To not use it would require more creativity and a better game imho.
Well, this is partly true. The Pegasos price was $499, but less than 1000 was produced, and in the end you could get one (motherboard and cpu) for $299 if you signed up phoenix.
The old pegasos computer isn't produced longer and probably out of stock everythere. But the pegasos2 is supposed to get released during september and will future a much better price/performance ratio since it will be sold for the same price ($499) but are very likely to have three gigabit ethernet ports, PCI-X, 1-1.4GHz G4 and so on. G4 card for the old pegasos costs $200, aswell as to replace your pegasos with a pegasos2, which is a very nice price since you can/could get the pegasos for 299, pay 200 later and then have a pegasos 2.
Althought the specs isn't completely out yet it's supposed to future a Marvell Discovery II chipset, 3 gigabit ethernet ports, PCI-X among others and a G4 in the 1-1.4GHz range for only $499 which I think is very affordable, even compared to x86 machines. The machine was supposed to get released under September and so far I haven't heard any other dates. Hopefully Genesi releases the final specs very soon.
"What expectations did you have for today's PC, 10 years ago and how does the reality match up? What do you expect from computing, 10 years from now?"
PC? PCs sucked, Amiga was THE machine.
Therefor my expections for PCs was uhm, nothing actually, DOS and Windows sucked, the PCs was expensive and boring. Why would I expect anything from that?
On the other side the A1200 and A4000 had been released, so I guess I would have some crazy thought if you had asked me where it would end in 10 years. But as we all know Commodore screwed it all up, and todays is even worse.
It's so weird how the death of a computer platform can stop the whole computer evolution;). Todays PCs are no more than last decades Amigas =)
AMIGA RULES, PC SUXX! Btw, keep up the good work Genesi (Creators of the Pegasos PPC platform which ships together with MorphOS) and of course the AROS-guys.
I would pay the extra money for a mac just to get macosx if i could afford it. I would gladely pay a few $100 extra to be able to run MorphOS on my hardware, and I would gladely probably pay $100 or so for a working good easy to set-up no-problems-at-all-unix on x86 to. I would however never pay for windows since i.m.h.o. even the free linux dists and *BSDs works better for my usage.
java makes sence in two ways: 1) let freenet run "everywhere". 2) fasten up development. 3) all platforms which can run freenet get the same version at the same time.
What about DVD ripping tools and others distributed as source code? Will that count as free speech here in Sweden to? It actually isn't a DVD ripper until you compile it on your own is it?
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Combined they make a very good package system to. Don't know if make update handles dependencies in both directions thought.
Nice to know, I'm sure I've added some option to the make command some time but I never used it regulary in BSD and had no idea they could be set in /etc/make.conf. Thanks.
I know that, I just wanted to tell that portage didn't used Makefiles to make it work.
Portage was inspired by NetBSD's pkgsrc which was derived from FreeBSD ports. Flags like PROVIDES are similar to USE and somewhat comparable to FreeBSD's make options for ports e.g. "NO_GUI"=true and stuff like that. I do like the USE idea though.
I actually didn't thought about that possibility, even thought I've used it sometimes. But sure the USE-flags is more convenient. Will make for the BSD ports complain if the option isn't available? If not i suppose it would be quite easy to do your own script which just add the options you want in BSD aswell.
The Gentoo "rc scripts" are also very NetBSD inspired and recently FreeBSD has followed this approach, e.g. using PROVIDES, and BEFORE, etc.
Never heard of PROVIDES or BEFORE earlier, will ask google about that one.
Personally I like NetBSD most, but it got nothing with ports vs portage to do, it's just that all the BSDs got excellent documentation and that NetBSD has the files in intelligent places and that you don't have to upgrade the whole OS so often. OpenBSD is ok aswell but fails a little on the desktop side, and it's nice to see FreeBSD 5.x uses gcc 3.x now adays. Currently my machine runs gentoo since a half year or something because I bought a new one back then and wanted to try it out. We'll see then I have enough time and energy to switch back.
The huge difference between ports and portage is that portage has replaced makefiles and instead uses a python based solution. They also got USE-flags there you can specify stuff like "X ssl gtk -kde -cups" and stuff like that, to make applications which can use X and ssl compile with those options enabled, but not compile kde and cups support.
The differences I've noted is that portage is upgraded every now and then which gives you the small trouble of running etc-update and upgrade it's config files. It might actually be broken at some times to.
Ports on the other side is rock solid and has been used for a much longer time. You can of course set compiler flags for ports to, and atleast for freebsd the upgrade tool is as good as the gentoo one. I do however like netbsds approch most since their pkgsrc seems most intelligent with their /usr/pkg path for everything installed from it. I must admit I don't know that much about their different port handling tools thought, I've mostly used make install.
The huge advantage of gentoos portage is the USE-flags, which I really like. Don't know if it would be hard to get the same functionallity in the BSDs without using portage, or if there already are a few alternatives which works almost the same way. Feel free to reply or e-mail me information about usefull ports tools if you have any.
I hate all the games where you get punished, especially if it's from the computer, that's why I liked quake. You die, you hit the buttons and there you are playing again.
Sure, strategic games and such should be hard to, but since I know I can die and be forced to replay the level I always saves every now and then or just simply don't play at all since I actually get bored (that is probably more true of games like WC3 there the single player missions was so boring). Can't say it would be better if the levels where so simple you couldn't die either thought (the WC3 single player normal levels actually are..).
I've never been a friend of continues either, to play the same game all the time is just boring. I think we got two clear winners here, the multiplayer FPS games there you can just join the game again and the adventure games (probably space simulation and MRPG aswell) like Monkey Island II there the levels are hard but you can't die. Why should so many games contain the die element anyway? To not use it would require more creativity and a better game imho.
MorphOS isn't unix based and currently contains an "abox" which let you run the system friendly old amiga os programs. Read up on morphos website.
Is this true? Not $499 longer? awesome in that case.
This isn't true, I won't type more about it right now thought since there are already information regarding this available.
The old pegasos computer isn't produced longer and probably out of stock everythere. But the pegasos2 is supposed to get released during september and will future a much better price/performance ratio since it will be sold for the same price ($499) but are very likely to have three gigabit ethernet ports, PCI-X, 1-1.4GHz G4 and so on. G4 card for the old pegasos costs $200, aswell as to replace your pegasos with a pegasos2, which is a very nice price since you can/could get the pegasos for 299, pay 200 later and then have a pegasos 2.
Althought the specs isn't completely out yet it's supposed to future a Marvell Discovery II chipset, 3 gigabit ethernet ports, PCI-X among others and a G4 in the 1-1.4GHz range for only $499 which I think is very affordable, even compared to x86 machines. The machine was supposed to get released under September and so far I haven't heard any other dates. Hopefully Genesi releases the final specs very soon.
PC? PCs sucked, Amiga was THE machine.
Therefor my expections for PCs was uhm, nothing actually, DOS and Windows sucked, the PCs was expensive and boring. Why would I expect anything from that?
On the other side the A1200 and A4000 had been released, so I guess I would have some crazy thought if you had asked me where it would end in 10 years. But as we all know Commodore screwed it all up, and todays is even worse.
It's so weird how the death of a computer platform can stop the whole computer evolution ;). Todays PCs are no more than last decades Amigas =)
AMIGA RULES, PC SUXX! Btw, keep up the good work Genesi (Creators of the Pegasos PPC platform which ships together with MorphOS) and of course the AROS-guys.
The difficulty is that many sellers only have windows OEM machines. Atleast if you are Mr Anyone and go visit your local computer store.
I would pay the extra money for a mac just to get macosx if i could afford it. I would gladely pay a few $100 extra to be able to run MorphOS on my hardware, and I would gladely probably pay $100 or so for a working good easy to set-up no-problems-at-all-unix on x86 to. I would however never pay for windows since i.m.h.o. even the free linux dists and *BSDs works better for my usage.
java makes sence in two ways:
1) let freenet run "everywhere".
2) fasten up development.
3) all platforms which can run freenet get the same version at the same time.
Or just use this init.d script (a little modified from the gentoo package):
o ts /seednodes.ref"e ct.org/snapshots/ freenet-latest.jar"r oject.org/snapshots/f reenet-unstable-latest.jar"
/var/freenet/seednodes.ref /var/freenet/seednodes.ref.old &>/dev/null /var/freenet/seednodes.ref -q $SEEDNODES_REF || \ /var/freenet/seednodes.ref.old /var/freenet/seednodes.ref
/usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar /usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar.old &>/dev/null /usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar -q $FREENET_JAR || \ /usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar.old /usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar
r eenet/freenet-ext.jar:$CLASSPATH /var/run/freenet.pid -m \ /etc/freenet.conf
/var/run/freenet.pid /var/run/freenet.pid
#!/sbin/runscript
# Freenet init.d-script by Per Wigren
depend() {
need net
}
SEEDNODES_REF="http://freenetproject.org/snapsh
#FREENET_JAR="http://freenetproj
FREENET_JAR="http://freenetp
start() {
einfo "Fetching latest seednodes.ref..."
mv -f
wget -O
mv -f
einfo "Fetching latest freenet.jar..."
mv -f
wget -O
mv -f
ebegin "Starting Freenet"
export CLASSPATH=/usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar:/usr/lib/f
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile
--background \
--exec $(java-config --java) -- freenet.node.Main -p
eend $?
}
stop() {
ebegin "Stopping Freenet"
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pidfile
rm -f
eend $?
}
entry level QUAD system, not ONE cpu. The dual system is probably much cheaper to.
Wasn't it quite obivous $3.500 was for the quad cpu version? not only one cpu.
What about DVD ripping tools and others distributed as source code? Will that count as free speech here in Sweden to? It actually isn't a DVD ripper until you compile it on your own is it?