Last summer, my ex-girlfriends parents bought me a ticket to Hawaii (that I paid them back for, and it was a really bad deal >$700 from LAX). A month before we were supposed to go, I broke up with the girl. Unfortunately, because the ticket was purchased through Hotwire.com I couldn't get a refund and because of the new TSA laws I couldn't sell it to anyone else. I screwed outta $700...
Big tech sector (Qualcomm, Sony, Oracle, IBM, and many others), several major universities, high speed internet county-wide (Cox, Time warner, and DSL avail almost everywhere, not to mention verizon high speed wireless which is UNavailable in most of the cities on the top ten list), and hundreds of very competitive small computer stores (nearly all Asian owned and usually cheaper than the deals in Frys).
I used to live in Santa Cruz ('99-2001) and spent a lotta time in the silicon valley. When I moved to San Diego I incorrectly thought it wouldn't compare to up there tech-wise. Now 5 years later, I think there is more down here, it just isn't hyped up as much because we have so much more going on besides computers (see: weather, girls (omg, the girls!!!), surf, military, mexico, it goes on and on). I love this city and will probably never leave, so I guess I'm a little biased. The average comp nerd probably cant appreciate everything SD has to offer, but they would have to admit we've got it goin on tech-wise.
I went to a symposium at UCLA in November, put on by Athgo International (athgo.org). A large part of the conference was focused on IPR and it's relationship to global health problems. While Hep C might be a good thing to fight, it doesn't compare to the ATMs (aids, tuberculosis, malaria) and perhaps the worst is malaria. Because those suffereing from it (in the third world) don't have any money, big pharma doesn't even develop drugs to fight new strains. A million people a year die from malaria (largely in the southern hemisphere), and it is a completely treatable disease.
Then again, there are too many people on this planet. Hmm, maybe thats how the pharmacuetical big-wigs justify it...
Not really, cause teens and predators are the only ones that use them. I don't understand how sites like myspace make any money at all. The amount of bandwidth they use vs. how much money teenagers have to spend is retarded.
I wish someone (like me) would get together with bands that also hate ticketmaster and put on shows with tickets that can be bought onlineand the money actually goes to the band.
Though I think Yahoo's mail does POP access now. Not sure about Hotmail.
Hotmail used to. I used in with outlook express from fall 2000 to ~2002. Then they disabled it for hotmail users with the free accounts. That really pissed me off and hotmail went onto my official shitlist. I dunno if its back now but I might try it on the old account when I get home from work. I still have ir for spammers and stuff when I need to register shady software...
5. Apple sales will drop at least 10%
4. Cell phones will replace the entire zune/mp3 player market, that sector will decline in 2007 and more in the years following
3. Profit!
2. Iphone has mediocre sales dealing with competition in cell phone/mp3 market
1. Macs will run windows
I just got the 810i and I love it. Dowloaded a bunch of games for it on bittorrent, takes great photos for a phone, it takes a pro duo card (up to 8GB now!) and plays mp3s. I have read reviews on the net complaining about audio quality, but I honestly cant tell the difference between my phone and my ipod nano sound-wise. Oh yeah, my 810i came with the most confortable ear buds I've ever used. But the best part is it only cost $100 with a 2 year contract from cingular.
Screw apple and their proprietory format music players. I don't like itunes or ipods. I am stoked on this phone and recommend it to anyone who wants an all in one device. It is my ipod killa.
The two best games available for Xbox 360 are Madden 2007 and Fight Night 3. I've played all the others you mentioned (either on 360 or PC) and none of them are as fun as those two. Your friend should go use her employee discount on some good titles. They are better for multiplayer and parties too...
But yes, overall you are right, 360 doesn't have much to offer game wise. But then again, neither does the Wii or PS3. I'm not real impreseed with any of the "next-gen" consoles right now, but after playing all 3 and most of the "best" games for them, the 360 wins.
If this is using essentially the same technology as DVD i think the read/write speeds would be awfully slow to handle 1 TB of data. If the bits are squeezed into a smaller surface area (instead of just layerd on top of eachother) if should read faster but if the space the bits take up is the same I think it would have simial I/O performance. After all, you can only spin a disc so fast (10-15K RPM).
Unless they find a way to read/write to multiple layers simultaneously and very efficiently, I think it would be really slow. At round normal DVD I/O speeds, burning one of those suckers would take like 60 hours!
Universities like to announce stuff like they are a big breakthroughs when in reality they have little to no impact. Get's their names in paper...
The difference between a black hat and a white hat is one simple thing: PERMISSION. He wrote a tool to exploit a federal system, and he used it without permission. He is not a hero, he is not the good guy, he is a criminal. I'm sorry, but you need signed permission to do stuff like that.
Wouldn't asking permission defeat the purpose?
Ever heard of whistleblower laws to protect people who serve the common good?
Don't you think we should be free to examine the system on our own?
When nobody listens, soemtimes you ahve to make a stronger statement. Thats what he did and should be commended for it. I would guess that you think Dieboold's e-voting machines are a good thing as well...
I don't think that non-specialists (ie., geeks who don't think much about law) are in a good position to know what's best.
I was a CS major. Now I'm finally graduating with a BA in history and applying to law school. I want to focus on IP law to help in the fight against the proprietary giants.
I began studying CS in '99 because I like computers and wanted to make a lotta $$. After working in the "industry" full time for a couple of years, and going to college for 6+ years, I've finally decided to do something that makes me feel good. Just thinking about using my talents to further a good cause gives me the chills, in a good way. Hopefully I will be reporting to guys like Moglen in a few years, J.D. in hand. Fuck the money.
Pointing out that the overwhelming majority of such articles in the popular press have zero scientific credibility is merely a public service, and it has NOTHING to do with what the BBC is looking for.
I concur. The article is not talking about anti-global warming articles in the popular press. The BBC is trying to find scientists, yes true scientists with credibility, who see global warming as less of a threat than it is made out to be. These scientitsts would be few and far between because it is not within their interests to downplay global warming. The article is about money, politics, and the tyranny of the majority in the scientific community. Something that I think whould be looked at very carefully and with an unbiased eye. This is a very difficult thing to do when people like the original poster of this article throw around assumptions. You want to hear politics, imagine this:
I'm a researcher who has discovered that my entire field of study is based more on politics than good science. When I applied my own critical thinking skills, I find that the majority opinion of the research community did not completely agree with my findings. I published my results which downplayed the importance of my field on the global scene, with references to all supporting documentation. This report is a threat to anyone recieving funding in the field. In response I am condemned by the scientific community at large, I lose my tenur, and I have to bag groceries at Vons. All the while the pigs who did it to me sit fat and happy sucking up grants that should go to something useful like solving world hunger.
Totally agree. This kind of program would force social workers to focus on the numbers and shrug off any statistical deviation which will undoubtedly occur.
When a certain group of people is labeled, the live up to that label. Not only that, but in my experience, when someone who is screwed up starts getting the attention of the government, they feed off it and usually get worse.
Does the video say what what the guy did wrong to get the cop's attention? Does it say if he was hurt? Does it show anything other than the cop throwing a few cheap shots?
If you answered no to any of these questions, then it is impossible to understand the context of the abuse. Therefore, it is also impossible to come to any sort of conclusion about whether this is "bullshit" or not. The context is very important, and should not be just disregarded.
FYI, the suspect was not in hand cuffs yet, you coward!
I know that you are willing to jump to a conclusion based on 12 seconds of video. If you can condemn the officer based on that clip; then no, you do not know what you are talking about.
removing police brutality in addition to many things I don't like IS my agenda.
I made a mistake when I said it was someone else's agenda, I should have said somebody else's depiction of the facts which follow an agenda (which you may or may not agree with). Perhaps your agenda, or the many things you don't like, have been influenced by other people's stories and biased depicitons of events in the past. Or perhaps, you yourself are only capable of seeing something from a particular angle based upon personal biases that have been influenced by god know what. I really don't know what your problem is, but it has made you into the kind of person that is unwilling to pursue possibilities that lie outrside your initial gut reaction. I am just trying to get you to understand that 12 seconds of shoddy edited video is not enough to condemn a man from his career.
As for the rest of your previous post, I don't care to try and explain anymore. This is not a personal attack on you, please don't take it that way. I'm actually not really arguing with you, I'm trying to get you to see the big picture here. However, I don't think you are understanding and you keep thinking I support police beating the crap out of people.
We don't live in a legal utopia, where everything we do, every action we take, is guided by the law. I actually happen to like the fact that from time to time I can perform an act without having to look up penal codes or worry if Big Brother is looking over my shoulder.
We are continually losing freedoms in thie country and it is not from the police. It is from people who disregard the big stuff (like the right to property, liberty, and justice)to try and fix smaller stuff with laws that infringe on the afformentioned fundamentals. These FUNdamental rights are slowly slipping away from us while we run around trying to fight wars against terror, poverty, drugs, internet piracy, racism, and yes even violence.
Even boxers who get punched in the face a lot try to protect their faces it's a natural reaction for one to attempt to protect themselves.
Umm, duh. I would hope a boxer was trying to protect themselves.
if they cannot adhere to the rule of law they should get the hell out of the industry.
Haha, you are funny dude. The police force is not an "industry" like the software industry or the auto industry. Believe it or not, law breakers (drunk drivers, murderers, wife beaters etc...) usually don't bother with OSHA standards or worry about whether or not the cop is going to have to work overtime. Police protect their own for a reason, nobody else is there to protect them, regardless of what the law says.
People with your mentality are the reason I posted. You just don't understand. Applying black and white legalalities to a very gray reality is not always reasonable.
That video is a political tool (to what ends, I don't know) and you are being used by it. Congratulations, you have been duped by someone elses agenda.
I didn't say I wanted more violence. THe post I was replying too was retarded, but got modded up and pisses me off. THe dude basically said the cop should be fired (no federal investigation needed) and that he is ready to leave the country rather than stick it out and try to fix the problems. Hmm, maybe people like this are part of the reason why we have so many unresolved troubles, or why nobody votes, or why thousands of people are dying in Iraq every month. We have become complacent and greedy. Nowadays people would rather run away from something and don't like to finish what they started when things get tough. Reality is becoming more and more disconnected from the sheltered homes of the average American.
I'm sorry, but I love my country, I know it's not the cool thing to do, especially on/. but that is how it is. If someone doesn't want to be here then they might as well go. I certainly won't try to stop 'em. I would rather have them get out, than sit here and bitch about how much better it is somewhere else. I am sure there are plenty of people who would like to immigrate in to replace a person so ungrateful that they are unwilling to do anything but whine and pass judgement on stuff they don't know the first thing about.
If someone has a dissenting opinion they should not have to leave the country
The poster I was replying to said that they were considering leaving to somewhere like New Zealand (which I happen to be a citizen of, and btw citizenship is nearly impossible unless they have relations... but I digress) because this country is too violent. The poster also said the officer should be fired and prosecuted in the courts, all based on 12 seconds of freakin video. I told them to go ahead and do it, leave. There is already way too much liitgation and uninformed judgement is passed far too often in this country by people who have idea what they are talking about.
Jesus Christ, I am not "accepting violence as a way of life and shutting down any possibilities for civil discourse" I am saying that the video doesn't really tell us much about what was going on. All we see is a police officer stepping over the line for a few seconds while busting someone. I am trying to open this up to discourse instead of just passing judgement on the every police officer in the country based on 12 seconds of edited video. I think most people in this country don't know what it is like in the ghetto, and do not understand just how pervasive the violence is. It is a huge problem and police brutality is at least partly in reaction to the brutality that occurs on the streets in our inner cities.
If the US is too violent that is something that needs to be corrected, not run away from.
Exactly, thats why we need to understand the context of the video. We should see ALL the violence. We should find out what pushed that officer to do something like that. I have some confidence in the feds and they will probably do the right thing, but I'm sure most/.ers (and the public in general) won't bother to look into the their findings because that would involve more than watching a short video clip on youtube.
I have gotten nothing but negative replies to my post, which did not even defend the officer. All I said is that we should not jump to conclusions about police in general, or even this incident, based on 12 seconds of video.
No, it makes no difference what happened before the video started.
It makes every bit of difference what happened. Why else would the clip be so short?
Second, every police officer should be expected to treat every single suspect with the same rights. Saying "it is alright for the police to beat someone up because the suspect just shot a little girl" is simply inexcusable.
I did not say it was alright for the cops to beat anyone up dude. I said the cop throwing the punches should be probably be suspended. And I don't consider a few cheap shots to the face is the same as "beating someone up."
Why do/.ers think I am pro-brutality?
All I'm saying is that this clip was taken out of context to stir people up and make them distrust the police, when in reality 99% of the time, cops are doing the right thing. This type of stuff makes people always assume the worse about the police, as most of the posters on this thread are doing. It also makes people think that the police need to be sued into submission to "teach them a lesson" so they don't do this sutff anymore. That is recockulous! The majority of the time all suing the police does is waste tax dollars, frustrate good cops, and give criminals cop-outs (mind the pun) as well as precedence to sue the police even more.
I am getting depressed here, becuase their are so many people who believe in some kind of mystical world were criminals are all cordial and our legal system works perfectly. Wake up! We do not live in a utopian world.
He was trying to avoid being punched in the face, by grabbing the offending officers arm. That is why it looks like the other cop was trying to restrain his partner. He was really trying to get the perps hand off the cop that was throwing the punches. I don't think it was OK, but I want to see the rest of the footage. If that guy put other innocent peoples' lives in danger, I have no problem with the cops getting in a few cheap shots. I don't care what a bunch of/.er's think "the law says this..." or "the law say that...", our court system doens't work and I support a little vigialnte justice.
Of course we have no idea what the context was because the person who put up this clip up obviously has an agenda. We know they have an agenda because they are doing everything possible to avoid explaining the circumstances. The clip is very short, nobody is interviewed after the incident (cops or suspect), and their is a bunch of text introduscing the clip as police brutality before the footage and explainging that the perp was saying "I can't breathe...I can't breathe...". The cutting, editing, and presentation of this clip does nothing but take away from the validity of the presenters argument. I always have a tendency to resist when presented with spin like this.
I didn't say he shouldn't be punished. I said he should be suspended. I also said that he shouldn't hit the perp in the face. I did not say that hitting the suspect in the face was OK because he was resisting.
Did you even read my post?
Oh and I don't think the other cop was trying to restrain his partner. Saw that post on youtube, (I guess you are claiming someone elses idea as your own here) and that is not what we are seeing. Watch it again. He was trying to get the suspect's hand off the other officers arm. Also, the guy was talking. When you are choking and can't breathe, you cannot talk, gurgling noises are all that comse out.
You want less violence, life in the United States is just too rough for you, leave. I think we've got enough pussies who resort to the courts for everything. I also suggest you look up a few terms, like "social justice", or "legal realism." The letter of the law is usually not the only thing that dictates reality (see, Iraq war, internet piracy, border patrolling volunteers etc...).
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Last summer, my ex-girlfriends parents bought me a ticket to Hawaii (that I paid them back for, and it was a really bad deal >$700 from LAX). A month before we were supposed to go, I broke up with the girl. Unfortunately, because the ticket was purchased through Hotwire.com I couldn't get a refund and because of the new TSA laws I couldn't sell it to anyone else. I screwed outta $700...
Big tech sector (Qualcomm, Sony, Oracle, IBM, and many others), several major universities, high speed internet county-wide (Cox, Time warner, and DSL avail almost everywhere, not to mention verizon high speed wireless which is UNavailable in most of the cities on the top ten list), and hundreds of very competitive small computer stores (nearly all Asian owned and usually cheaper than the deals in Frys).
I used to live in Santa Cruz ('99-2001) and spent a lotta time in the silicon valley. When I moved to San Diego I incorrectly thought it wouldn't compare to up there tech-wise. Now 5 years later, I think there is more down here, it just isn't hyped up as much because we have so much more going on besides computers (see: weather, girls (omg, the girls!!!), surf, military, mexico, it goes on and on). I love this city and will probably never leave, so I guess I'm a little biased. The average comp nerd probably cant appreciate everything SD has to offer, but they would have to admit we've got it goin on tech-wise.
I went to a symposium at UCLA in November, put on by Athgo International (athgo.org). A large part of the conference was focused on IPR and it's relationship to global health problems. While Hep C might be a good thing to fight, it doesn't compare to the ATMs (aids, tuberculosis, malaria) and perhaps the worst is malaria. Because those suffereing from it (in the third world) don't have any money, big pharma doesn't even develop drugs to fight new strains. A million people a year die from malaria (largely in the southern hemisphere), and it is a completely treatable disease.
Then again, there are too many people on this planet. Hmm, maybe thats how the pharmacuetical big-wigs justify it...
Not really, cause teens and predators are the only ones that use them. I don't understand how sites like myspace make any money at all. The amount of bandwidth they use vs. how much money teenagers have to spend is retarded.
I hate ticketmaster too!!!
I wish someone (like me) would get together with bands that also hate ticketmaster and put on shows with tickets that can be bought onlineand the money actually goes to the band.
Though I think Yahoo's mail does POP access now. Not sure about Hotmail.
Hotmail used to. I used in with outlook express from fall 2000 to ~2002. Then they disabled it for hotmail users with the free accounts. That really pissed me off and hotmail went onto my official shitlist. I dunno if its back now but I might try it on the old account when I get home from work. I still have ir for spammers and stuff when I need to register shady software...
My Top 5:
5. Apple sales will drop at least 10% 4. Cell phones will replace the entire zune/mp3 player market, that sector will decline in 2007 and more in the years following 3. Profit! 2. Iphone has mediocre sales dealing with competition in cell phone/mp3 market 1. Macs will run windows
I just got the 810i and I love it. Dowloaded a bunch of games for it on bittorrent, takes great photos for a phone, it takes a pro duo card (up to 8GB now!) and plays mp3s. I have read reviews on the net complaining about audio quality, but I honestly cant tell the difference between my phone and my ipod nano sound-wise. Oh yeah, my 810i came with the most confortable ear buds I've ever used. But the best part is it only cost $100 with a 2 year contract from cingular.
Screw apple and their proprietory format music players. I don't like itunes or ipods. I am stoked on this phone and recommend it to anyone who wants an all in one device. It is my ipod killa.
The two best games available for Xbox 360 are Madden 2007 and Fight Night 3. I've played all the others you mentioned (either on 360 or PC) and none of them are as fun as those two. Your friend should go use her employee discount on some good titles. They are better for multiplayer and parties too...
But yes, overall you are right, 360 doesn't have much to offer game wise. But then again, neither does the Wii or PS3. I'm not real impreseed with any of the "next-gen" consoles right now, but after playing all 3 and most of the "best" games for them, the 360 wins.
If this is using essentially the same technology as DVD i think the read/write speeds would be awfully slow to handle 1 TB of data. If the bits are squeezed into a smaller surface area (instead of just layerd on top of eachother) if should read faster but if the space the bits take up is the same I think it would have simial I/O performance. After all, you can only spin a disc so fast (10-15K RPM).
Unless they find a way to read/write to multiple layers simultaneously and very efficiently, I think it would be really slow. At round normal DVD I/O speeds, burning one of those suckers would take like 60 hours!
Universities like to announce stuff like they are a big breakthroughs when in reality they have little to no impact. Get's their names in paper...
The difference between a black hat and a white hat is one simple thing: PERMISSION. He wrote a tool to exploit a federal system, and he used it without permission. He is not a hero, he is not the good guy, he is a criminal. I'm sorry, but you need signed permission to do stuff like that.
Wouldn't asking permission defeat the purpose?
Ever heard of whistleblower laws to protect people who serve the common good?
Don't you think we should be free to examine the system on our own?
When nobody listens, soemtimes you ahve to make a stronger statement. Thats what he did and should be commended for it. I would guess that you think Dieboold's e-voting machines are a good thing as well...
That was a scenario that I made up dude. But you did remind me that I haven't updated my profile in a while...
I don't think that non-specialists (ie., geeks who don't think much about law) are in a good position to know what's best.
I was a CS major. Now I'm finally graduating with a BA in history and applying to law school. I want to focus on IP law to help in the fight against the proprietary giants.
I began studying CS in '99 because I like computers and wanted to make a lotta $$. After working in the "industry" full time for a couple of years, and going to college for 6+ years, I've finally decided to do something that makes me feel good. Just thinking about using my talents to further a good cause gives me the chills, in a good way. Hopefully I will be reporting to guys like Moglen in a few years, J.D. in hand. Fuck the money.
Pointing out that the overwhelming majority of such articles in the popular press have zero scientific credibility is merely a public service, and it has NOTHING to do with what the BBC is looking for.
I concur. The article is not talking about anti-global warming articles in the popular press. The BBC is trying to find scientists, yes true scientists with credibility, who see global warming as less of a threat than it is made out to be. These scientitsts would be few and far between because it is not within their interests to downplay global warming. The article is about money, politics, and the tyranny of the majority in the scientific community. Something that I think whould be looked at very carefully and with an unbiased eye. This is a very difficult thing to do when people like the original poster of this article throw around assumptions. You want to hear politics, imagine this:
I'm a researcher who has discovered that my entire field of study is based more on politics than good science. When I applied my own critical thinking skills, I find that the majority opinion of the research community did not completely agree with my findings. I published my results which downplayed the importance of my field on the global scene, with references to all supporting documentation. This report is a threat to anyone recieving funding in the field. In response I am condemned by the scientific community at large, I lose my tenur, and I have to bag groceries at Vons. All the while the pigs who did it to me sit fat and happy sucking up grants that should go to something useful like solving world hunger.
Totally agree. This kind of program would force social workers to focus on the numbers and shrug off any statistical deviation which will undoubtedly occur.
When a certain group of people is labeled, the live up to that label. Not only that, but in my experience, when someone who is screwed up starts getting the attention of the government, they feed off it and usually get worse.
Wow! Very cool, makes me wish I had finished getting my CS degree and become a programmer...
Does the video say what what the guy did wrong to get the cop's attention? Does it say if he was hurt? Does it show anything other than the cop throwing a few cheap shots?
If you answered no to any of these questions, then it is impossible to understand the context of the abuse. Therefore, it is also impossible to come to any sort of conclusion about whether this is "bullshit" or not. The context is very important, and should not be just disregarded.
FYI, the suspect was not in hand cuffs yet, you coward!
You know nothing about me
I know that you are willing to jump to a conclusion based on 12 seconds of video. If you can condemn the officer based on that clip; then no, you do not know what you are talking about.
removing police brutality in addition to many things I don't like IS my agenda.
I made a mistake when I said it was someone else's agenda, I should have said somebody else's depiction of the facts which follow an agenda (which you may or may not agree with). Perhaps your agenda, or the many things you don't like, have been influenced by other people's stories and biased depicitons of events in the past. Or perhaps, you yourself are only capable of seeing something from a particular angle based upon personal biases that have been influenced by god know what. I really don't know what your problem is, but it has made you into the kind of person that is unwilling to pursue possibilities that lie outrside your initial gut reaction. I am just trying to get you to understand that 12 seconds of shoddy edited video is not enough to condemn a man from his career.
As for the rest of your previous post, I don't care to try and explain anymore. This is not a personal attack on you, please don't take it that way. I'm actually not really arguing with you, I'm trying to get you to see the big picture here. However, I don't think you are understanding and you keep thinking I support police beating the crap out of people.
We don't live in a legal utopia, where everything we do, every action we take, is guided by the law. I actually happen to like the fact that from time to time I can perform an act without having to look up penal codes or worry if Big Brother is looking over my shoulder.
We are continually losing freedoms in thie country and it is not from the police. It is from people who disregard the big stuff (like the right to property, liberty, and justice)to try and fix smaller stuff with laws that infringe on the afformentioned fundamentals. These FUNdamental rights are slowly slipping away from us while we run around trying to fight wars against terror, poverty, drugs, internet piracy, racism, and yes even violence.
Even boxers who get punched in the face a lot try to protect their faces it's a natural reaction for one to attempt to protect themselves.
Umm, duh. I would hope a boxer was trying to protect themselves.
if they cannot adhere to the rule of law they should get the hell out of the industry.
Haha, you are funny dude. The police force is not an "industry" like the software industry or the auto industry. Believe it or not, law breakers (drunk drivers, murderers, wife beaters etc...) usually don't bother with OSHA standards or worry about whether or not the cop is going to have to work overtime. Police protect their own for a reason, nobody else is there to protect them, regardless of what the law says.
People with your mentality are the reason I posted. You just don't understand. Applying black and white legalalities to a very gray reality is not always reasonable.
That video is a political tool (to what ends, I don't know) and you are being used by it. Congratulations, you have been duped by someone elses agenda.
I didn't say I wanted more violence. THe post I was replying too was retarded, but got modded up and pisses me off. THe dude basically said the cop should be fired (no federal investigation needed) and that he is ready to leave the country rather than stick it out and try to fix the problems. Hmm, maybe people like this are part of the reason why we have so many unresolved troubles, or why nobody votes, or why thousands of people are dying in Iraq every month. We have become complacent and greedy. Nowadays people would rather run away from something and don't like to finish what they started when things get tough. Reality is becoming more and more disconnected from the sheltered homes of the average American.
/. but that is how it is. If someone doesn't want to be here then they might as well go. I certainly won't try to stop 'em. I would rather have them get out, than sit here and bitch about how much better it is somewhere else. I am sure there are plenty of people who would like to immigrate in to replace a person so ungrateful that they are unwilling to do anything but whine and pass judgement on stuff they don't know the first thing about.
I'm sorry, but I love my country, I know it's not the cool thing to do, especially on
If someone has a dissenting opinion they should not have to leave the country
/.ers (and the public in general) won't bother to look into the their findings because that would involve more than watching a short video clip on youtube.
The poster I was replying to said that they were considering leaving to somewhere like New Zealand (which I happen to be a citizen of, and btw citizenship is nearly impossible unless they have relations... but I digress) because this country is too violent. The poster also said the officer should be fired and prosecuted in the courts, all based on 12 seconds of freakin video. I told them to go ahead and do it, leave. There is already way too much liitgation and uninformed judgement is passed far too often in this country by people who have idea what they are talking about.
Jesus Christ, I am not "accepting violence as a way of life and shutting down any possibilities for civil discourse" I am saying that the video doesn't really tell us much about what was going on. All we see is a police officer stepping over the line for a few seconds while busting someone. I am trying to open this up to discourse instead of just passing judgement on the every police officer in the country based on 12 seconds of edited video. I think most people in this country don't know what it is like in the ghetto, and do not understand just how pervasive the violence is. It is a huge problem and police brutality is at least partly in reaction to the brutality that occurs on the streets in our inner cities.
If the US is too violent that is something that needs to be corrected, not run away from.
Exactly, thats why we need to understand the context of the video. We should see ALL the violence. We should find out what pushed that officer to do something like that. I have some confidence in the feds and they will probably do the right thing, but I'm sure most
I have gotten nothing but negative replies to my post, which did not even defend the officer. All I said is that we should not jump to conclusions about police in general, or even this incident, based on 12 seconds of video.
No, it makes no difference what happened before the video started.
/.ers think I am pro-brutality?
It makes every bit of difference what happened. Why else would the clip be so short?
Second, every police officer should be expected to treat every single suspect with the same rights. Saying "it is alright for the police to beat someone up because the suspect just shot a little girl" is simply inexcusable.
I did not say it was alright for the cops to beat anyone up dude. I said the cop throwing the punches should be probably be suspended. And I don't consider a few cheap shots to the face is the same as "beating someone up."
Why do
All I'm saying is that this clip was taken out of context to stir people up and make them distrust the police, when in reality 99% of the time, cops are doing the right thing. This type of stuff makes people always assume the worse about the police, as most of the posters on this thread are doing. It also makes people think that the police need to be sued into submission to "teach them a lesson" so they don't do this sutff anymore. That is recockulous! The majority of the time all suing the police does is waste tax dollars, frustrate good cops, and give criminals cop-outs (mind the pun) as well as precedence to sue the police even more.
I am getting depressed here, becuase their are so many people who believe in some kind of mystical world were criminals are all cordial and our legal system works perfectly. Wake up! We do not live in a utopian world.
We, the tax payers had to pony up the $150,000. Nothing happened to the cop.
He was trying to avoid being punched in the face, by grabbing the offending officers arm. That is why it looks like the other cop was trying to restrain his partner. He was really trying to get the perps hand off the cop that was throwing the punches. I don't think it was OK, but I want to see the rest of the footage. If that guy put other innocent peoples' lives in danger, I have no problem with the cops getting in a few cheap shots. I don't care what a bunch of /.er's think "the law says this..." or "the law say that...", our court system doens't work and I support a little vigialnte justice.
Of course we have no idea what the context was because the person who put up this clip up obviously has an agenda. We know they have an agenda because they are doing everything possible to avoid explaining the circumstances. The clip is very short, nobody is interviewed after the incident (cops or suspect), and their is a bunch of text introduscing the clip as police brutality before the footage and explainging that the perp was saying "I can't breathe...I can't breathe...". The cutting, editing, and presentation of this clip does nothing but take away from the validity of the presenters argument. I always have a tendency to resist when presented with spin like this.
I didn't say he shouldn't be punished. I said he should be suspended. I also said that he shouldn't hit the perp in the face. I did not say that hitting the suspect in the face was OK because he was resisting.
Did you even read my post?
Oh and I don't think the other cop was trying to restrain his partner. Saw that post on youtube, (I guess you are claiming someone elses idea as your own here) and that is not what we are seeing. Watch it again. He was trying to get the suspect's hand off the other officers arm. Also, the guy was talking. When you are choking and can't breathe, you cannot talk, gurgling noises are all that comse out.
You want less violence, life in the United States is just too rough for you, leave. I think we've got enough pussies who resort to the courts for everything. I also suggest you look up a few terms, like "social justice", or "legal realism." The letter of the law is usually not the only thing that dictates reality (see, Iraq war, internet piracy, border patrolling volunteers etc...).