... some Mac products have the 'i' like the iBook and iMac, do they still even make those anymore?
Yes, the iMac is still there.
And no iPad will ever have a CLI because that would violate a fundamental principle, Thou Shalt Not Program an iProduct. Only official apps may run on one. Creation is not allowed, only consumption. Not a computer, consumer electronics.
I'm not sure - lots of things can be created on an iPad. It's certainly not a TV. You can program one and run unofficial apps if your a dev, or you jailbreak. But, yes, it's not a computer in the sense that a mac or PC is. In that sense we've reverted to something more like an Atari 400/800 or Commodore 128. You could do stuff with them, but largely, it was buy and consume.
Well you sir are quite probably a muppet or a liar.
I'm neither, although I do envy Kermit's fame.
In the last 15 years of using Windows from support to development to solution architect, I've never once had to write a single line of C. Everything is exposed via COM/Win32 to all languages. It's a simple interop job. I've probably touched the Win32 API once or twice back in the VB6 days and that was it.
interop is not the be all answer to everything, nor does it always work seamlessly. Not everyone works in a COM world, and there are things that are do not have COM objects. Unfortunately for me, I was in the latter realm.
I've built massive applications that span thousands of machines, built clusters of 150+ machines for a single deployment, had insane levels of automation for everything and built applications with over 100 developers and over 1,000,000 LOC, thousands of tables and hundreds of MSMQ queues. I've worked in the finance, defence and retail sectors. I'm sitting here with PowerShell writing a deployment automation platform at the moment, without the aid of C or Win32.
Nice. I designed systems for 2.5M concurrent users across hundreds of distributed sites, systems that involved 45K search queries a minute resulting in +1K purchase transactions per minute with real time yield management, multi-langugage supported simultaneous monitoring and management systems for world-wide deployments, and systems that meet or exceed DISA standards. These various solutions involved many different software packages, including MS solutions. Do you wish to continue down the path of lessons learned and why MS products suck? Because they do indeed, universally and unequivocally suck compared to the alternatives, unless you're looking at MS Bob or SCO x86 UNIX.
The most interesting part of your "I'm better than you, you're an idiot rant" is the line related to built applications with over 100 developers and more than 1M LOC. I've never been part of a team bigger than 80 or so developers, and that team was by far the most inefficient and ineffective team I was ever on. (I moved out of it within months of being assigned to it - it was an obvious road to disaster) The rest were in the 5-40 range, with the most effective teams running in the 5-10 range. In case you're wondering, the LOC count was never of particular interest, it was more what could be done. But a brief survey of one I happen to have handy indicates that a project of roughly 400K LOC with 5 devs across a couple of years, not including third party code modifications that were required. Again - LOC really doesn't mean squat. That 400K could easily have been 2M+ had we not taken the time to abstract out our persistence layer properly.
Whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong. Go and hit yourself with the clue stick.
See above, and I wish to see pictures of you taking your own advice.
I don't install phone systems. However: 1) probably last Thursday, 2) 9 months ago - got a XMas widget that didn't turn on - bad solder on the battery connection 3) heh, more often than you know, but a few years ago for me 4) I'm pretty sure that I can answer that either directly or via the "one friend" relationship, you just have to have enough friends with the right kinds of interests.
OS X has its Automator.app which lets you build up a workflow that can run as a separate program, or as a "folder action" (essentially a macro applied to files in a specific folder).
It gives you most of the power of the CLI, with more ease of use.
You should have modded him up. Automator.app is not that simple to use, and 99% of mac users won't have a clue.
Done with cli+adduser command or config file+text editor this would take up to 10 seconds per user.
Learn to use vi/vim. This would have been 20s for all users, provided you had a list and could type a single regex command to process said list. I've done this more than once. A CLI is the basis, the GUI is an addition, when it comes to system management.
I've tried using Powershell for its intended purposes. I still wound up having to write Win32 C code to set various settings. Fail would mean you tried. Powershell doesn't even hit that low bar.
Basically the whole eliminate the CLI thing is a very old argument. It boils down to the problem of putting PCs in the hands of people who have no business with one. In that respect the iProducts and Android are a wonder. We get rid of the media consumers and game players, leaving the people who actually use a PC as a mind expansion. And we can deal with verbal communications just fine, we don't have to have pictures unless we are processing visual information in ways that require a visual medium.
Now now, I use iProducts and a Mac, and I'm a heavy CLI guy. In fact, the thing about the Mac that mad me a fan was that everything can be done from the CLI if you need it to be. Try that with Windows (FYI - I have.... it ain't pretty and some are impossible)
"These days" must include everything since DOS 3.x. MS seems to revel in changing menus for no reason other than to drive training revenue and sales of new books on how to deal with the menus. Why just the other day someone was trying to tell me how great the Ribbon interface was because he could figure out how to do mail merges in 3 minutes and never knew that existed. I went 1) what's mail merge and 2) gee, found it on my menu driven version of Office 2011 in less than 8s, only knowing 2 things about it - the name and the implied function. Ribbon indeed. (Note: haven't regularly used office in 5+ years, but was recently forced to install it to support a specific client that just loves templates.Yea...)
or, you get a supported distribution with someone to point a finger at (see RedHat's enterprise model) There's definitely people that will support this model and not roll their own binaries. I think it will become more common in certain areas.
Energy production can have an enormous impact, or virtually none at all, although we're very poor at making the latter on a large scale. My statements were merely to counter the blatant assertions in the GGP post, with a hypothetical scenario that proves that the core of his assertion was incorrect, which you just validated in your post. Thanks.
Motorola was already a lost cause when they and Apple had their multiple cases combined in court. As soon as that happened, it was a victory for Apple, the rest wound up being a rather quick downward spiral, almost at lightspeed for a court system.
The Nexus injunction is a huge blow if it sticks. No details in the story, I'd be interested in whether Apple's claims stick.
Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny.
They were 90 days from insolvency when SJ came back. They were rapidly dying, not slowly shrinking.
And the source for this is no other than its savior, Steve Jobs. So it must be true.
Not sure where that came from, but it's been documented by the CEO (who would know better?) and there was also this massive cash infusion from MS to keep them from going under in 97.
This will be in what, 1 year? 2 years? And you'll still be comparing it to this years iPad3 because, as we all know, Apple never updates its hardware, software, nor innovates or anything in a 1+ year timeframe. Here's a more reasonable prediction: Win 8 tablets will come out and will perform reasonably, have little to no software, and be essentially useless for the first year or two. Their battery life will be much less than advertised and generally fall/fail quickly after that. The screens will compare nicely with that of the iPad 2, now at least 3 years old and 2 generations back and no longer sold. Their market penetration will be under 5% across the first 2 years.
As for Android, if they can't straighten out some of their ecosystem issues, I don't see their growth rate continuing at the current rate or higher, but falling rather significantly. The Nexus 7? It's got about 1/3 the screen real estate, by pixel count and size with a single front facing 1.2 MP camera only good for skype etc. And it's 2/3s the price. Hmmm, iPad Killer? Nope. Nice toy? Definitely.
There's nothing good about RIM's financials. Yes, they probably are in "better" shape than Apple (less than 90 days run left) but the possibility for a turn around is much bleaker for RIM. First, there's no anti-trust suit going on against their major competitor who just had their only other competitor drop out of the market and created the environment for a major financial booster shot to keep them running. Second, their "brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware" combination isn't slated to come out for another year and will have to go agains not just one but several entrenched camps. Apple's turnaround came with an entirely new product. Third, with the introduction of the NSA backed secure phone, no, they aren't.
Why bring Sony into this discussion, unless you want to point out where RIM will be in another 6-12 months, if they survive that long. Funny things happen when public perception and lost mindshare paint you as a dead company, especially as all indicators point to falling numbers across the board and the reason for that are the ever increasing numbers of other companies.
I was being a bit flippant, and the hour was late. But yes, critical thinking is in direct contrast to an indoctrinated person's "fixed beliefs".
The first part of your question is to have a proper framework of questions to ascertain the ability to think critically, and the second part measuring the rate of change thereof should be relatively trivial in comparison.
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So if I just wrap it periodically, no harm no foul?
Last I saw this month was 47%, so less than a majority, but still a sad state of affairs.
... some Mac products have the 'i' like the iBook and iMac, do they still even make those anymore?
Yes, the iMac is still there.
And no iPad will ever have a CLI because that would violate a fundamental principle, Thou Shalt Not Program an iProduct. Only official apps may run on one. Creation is not allowed, only consumption. Not a computer, consumer electronics.
I'm not sure - lots of things can be created on an iPad. It's certainly not a TV. You can program one and run unofficial apps if your a dev, or you jailbreak. But, yes, it's not a computer in the sense that a mac or PC is. In that sense we've reverted to something more like an Atari 400/800 or Commodore 128. You could do stuff with them, but largely, it was buy and consume.
Well you sir are quite probably a muppet or a liar.
I'm neither, although I do envy Kermit's fame.
In the last 15 years of using Windows from support to development to solution architect, I've never once had to write a single line of C. Everything is exposed via COM/Win32 to all languages. It's a simple interop job. I've probably touched the Win32 API once or twice back in the VB6 days and that was it.
interop is not the be all answer to everything, nor does it always work seamlessly. Not everyone works in a COM world, and there are things that are do not have COM objects. Unfortunately for me, I was in the latter realm.
I've built massive applications that span thousands of machines, built clusters of 150+ machines for a single deployment, had insane levels of automation for everything and built applications with over 100 developers and over 1,000,000 LOC, thousands of tables and hundreds of MSMQ queues. I've worked in the finance, defence and retail sectors. I'm sitting here with PowerShell writing a deployment automation platform at the moment, without the aid of C or Win32.
Nice. I designed systems for 2.5M concurrent users across hundreds of distributed sites, systems that involved 45K search queries a minute resulting in +1K purchase transactions per minute with real time yield management, multi-langugage supported simultaneous monitoring and management systems for world-wide deployments, and systems that meet or exceed DISA standards. These various solutions involved many different software packages, including MS solutions. Do you wish to continue down the path of lessons learned and why MS products suck? Because they do indeed, universally and unequivocally suck compared to the alternatives, unless you're looking at MS Bob or SCO x86 UNIX.
The most interesting part of your "I'm better than you, you're an idiot rant" is the line related to built applications with over 100 developers and more than 1M LOC. I've never been part of a team bigger than 80 or so developers, and that team was by far the most inefficient and ineffective team I was ever on. (I moved out of it within months of being assigned to it - it was an obvious road to disaster) The rest were in the 5-40 range, with the most effective teams running in the 5-10 range. In case you're wondering, the LOC count was never of particular interest, it was more what could be done. But a brief survey of one I happen to have handy indicates that a project of roughly 400K LOC with 5 devs across a couple of years, not including third party code modifications that were required. Again - LOC really doesn't mean squat. That 400K could easily have been 2M+ had we not taken the time to abstract out our persistence layer properly.
Whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong. Go and hit yourself with the clue stick.
See above, and I wish to see pictures of you taking your own advice.
I've used Ubuntu. The CLI was much more friendly for 90% of my interactions. In fact, in the past year I've only logged in via CLI.
I don't install phone systems. However: 1) probably last Thursday, 2) 9 months ago - got a XMas widget that didn't turn on - bad solder on the battery connection 3) heh, more often than you know, but a few years ago for me 4) I'm pretty sure that I can answer that either directly or via the "one friend" relationship, you just have to have enough friends with the right kinds of interests.
OS X has its Automator.app which lets you build up a workflow that can run as a separate program, or as a "folder action" (essentially a macro applied to files in a specific folder).
It gives you most of the power of the CLI, with more ease of use.
You should have modded him up. Automator.app is not that simple to use, and 99% of mac users won't have a clue.
Done with cli+adduser command or config file+text editor this would take up to 10 seconds per user.
Learn to use vi/vim. This would have been 20s for all users, provided you had a list and could type a single regex command to process said list. I've done this more than once. A CLI is the basis, the GUI is an addition, when it comes to system management.
I've tried using Powershell for its intended purposes. I still wound up having to write Win32 C code to set various settings. Fail would mean you tried. Powershell doesn't even hit that low bar.
Basically the whole eliminate the CLI thing is a very old argument. It boils down to the problem of putting PCs in the hands of people who have no business with one. In that respect the iProducts and Android are a wonder. We get rid of the media consumers and game players, leaving the people who actually use a PC as a mind expansion. And we can deal with verbal communications just fine, we don't have to have pictures unless we are processing visual information in ways that require a visual medium.
Now now, I use iProducts and a Mac, and I'm a heavy CLI guy. In fact, the thing about the Mac that mad me a fan was that everything can be done from the CLI if you need it to be. Try that with Windows (FYI - I have.... it ain't pretty and some are impossible)
since 99.9% of users will not have the permissions to start up an access database,
Nightmares about Access continue - does anyone still use that POS? Seriously?
"These days" must include everything since DOS 3.x. MS seems to revel in changing menus for no reason other than to drive training revenue and sales of new books on how to deal with the menus. Why just the other day someone was trying to tell me how great the Ribbon interface was because he could figure out how to do mail merges in 3 minutes and never knew that existed. I went 1) what's mail merge and 2) gee, found it on my menu driven version of Office 2011 in less than 8s, only knowing 2 things about it - the name and the implied function. Ribbon indeed. (Note: haven't regularly used office in 5+ years, but was recently forced to install it to support a specific client that just loves templates.Yea...)
. Second, their "brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware" combination isn't slated to come out for another year
This fall isn't "another year" away.
Dang, didn't even have to wait until this fall for the delay announcement. Try Q1 2013
All of those would be larger molecules than H20, don't you think? This is a pretty cool discovery/invention.
The Simpsons is still on? (I kid, I kid, but I obviously don't watch it)
"old chap"
"cromulent"
When did ICANN become British?
or, you get a supported distribution with someone to point a finger at (see RedHat's enterprise model) There's definitely people that will support this model and not roll their own binaries. I think it will become more common in certain areas.
Energy production can have an enormous impact, or virtually none at all, although we're very poor at making the latter on a large scale. My statements were merely to counter the blatant assertions in the GGP post, with a hypothetical scenario that proves that the core of his assertion was incorrect, which you just validated in your post. Thanks.
Argh!!! Bad Memories!!! I'm sweating now!
Motorola was already a lost cause when they and Apple had their multiple cases combined in court. As soon as that happened, it was a victory for Apple, the rest wound up being a rather quick downward spiral, almost at lightspeed for a court system.
The Nexus injunction is a huge blow if it sticks. No details in the story, I'd be interested in whether Apple's claims stick.
Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny.
They were 90 days from insolvency when SJ came back. They were rapidly dying, not slowly shrinking.
And the source for this is no other than its savior, Steve Jobs. So it must be true.
Not sure where that came from, but it's been documented by the CEO (who would know better?) and there was also this massive cash infusion from MS to keep them from going under in 97.
Because RIM has been so spot on with their product launch predictions (well, to be honest - they launched, minus a slew of promised features.)
This will be in what, 1 year? 2 years? And you'll still be comparing it to this years iPad3 because, as we all know, Apple never updates its hardware, software, nor innovates or anything in a 1+ year timeframe. Here's a more reasonable prediction: Win 8 tablets will come out and will perform reasonably, have little to no software, and be essentially useless for the first year or two. Their battery life will be much less than advertised and generally fall/fail quickly after that. The screens will compare nicely with that of the iPad 2, now at least 3 years old and 2 generations back and no longer sold. Their market penetration will be under 5% across the first 2 years.
As for Android, if they can't straighten out some of their ecosystem issues, I don't see their growth rate continuing at the current rate or higher, but falling rather significantly. The Nexus 7? It's got about 1/3 the screen real estate, by pixel count and size with a single front facing 1.2 MP camera only good for skype etc. And it's 2/3s the price. Hmmm, iPad Killer? Nope. Nice toy? Definitely.
There's nothing good about RIM's financials. Yes, they probably are in "better" shape than Apple (less than 90 days run left) but the possibility for a turn around is much bleaker for RIM. First, there's no anti-trust suit going on against their major competitor who just had their only other competitor drop out of the market and created the environment for a major financial booster shot to keep them running. Second, their "brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware" combination isn't slated to come out for another year and will have to go agains not just one but several entrenched camps. Apple's turnaround came with an entirely new product. Third, with the introduction of the NSA backed secure phone, no, they aren't.
Why bring Sony into this discussion, unless you want to point out where RIM will be in another 6-12 months, if they survive that long. Funny things happen when public perception and lost mindshare paint you as a dead company, especially as all indicators point to falling numbers across the board and the reason for that are the ever increasing numbers of other companies.
I was being a bit flippant, and the hour was late. But yes, critical thinking is in direct contrast to an indoctrinated person's "fixed beliefs".
The first part of your question is to have a proper framework of questions to ascertain the ability to think critically, and the second part measuring the rate of change thereof should be relatively trivial in comparison.