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On the iPhone and Apple's Meteoric Rise To the Top

zacharye writes "Friday marks five years since the world first got its hands on a smartphone that would turn the industry on its head. In five short years, Apple went from the ground floor to being the most profitable company in the smartphone business by a staggering margin. Apple and Samsung — two companies that weren't even on the smartphone industry's map a few years ago — are now the only two major global vendors making money, and the split was estimated at 80/20 in Apple's favor last quarter. That's 80% of smartphone industry profits in less than five years with just five different smartphone models under its belt during that span."

317 comments

  1. Sports Announcer Voice. by masternerdguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alright gentlemen we have a fine flame war in store for you tonight.

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    1. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by TankSpanker04 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll start: Steve Jobs is God

      Your move.

    2. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by the_humeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're thinking of Eric Clapton.

    3. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Linus Torvald is the one true god, hethen.

    4. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Naatach · · Score: 1

      I'll bring the marshmallows. Who's got the weenies?

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    5. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who's got the weenies?

      All the Apple Fanbois, they are the weenies.

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    6. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's got the weenies?

      All the Apple Fanbois, they are the weenies.

      Look at the spirit in this article's competitors! Already came out swinging right out of the gate! We're in for a great show tonight, ladies and gentlemen!

    7. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Two cellphone manufacturers enter!

      One cellphone leaves!

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    8. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      Wonder if they could set the "Slashdot green" to get "hotter" as the discussion goes on?

    9. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your beige khaki pants.

    10. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by schlachter · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Anyone can rise to the top with the right product at the right time. Staying on top is much harder. It will be interesting to see how Apple innovates from here...and how long they can hold on to their position.

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    12. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

      They should use flame as a tag in this article lol

    13. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll start: Steve Jobs is God

      Then God is dead?

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    14. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2

      ....and no one cares?

    15. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Vapid an Useless? I agree.

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    16. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by dimko · · Score: 1

      He died, and its over 40 days now!

    17. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two cellphone manufacturers enter!

      RIM takes one on the chin, and is down for the count!

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    18. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll start.

      Since when do /.'rs know what a sports announcer sounds like?

    19. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      He sewed his eyes shut because he's afraid to see...

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    20. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple fanbois most definitely do.

    21. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would Nietzsche have been an Apple user?

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    22. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      More like "RIM takes on on the chin, and is down for the count, and doctors are confirming, RIM is dead. Oh the humanity! Will anyone buy RIM's boxing shorts?"

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    23. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      No, Eric Clapton is dead...try to follow the conversation, sheesh.

    24. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll start: Steve Jobs is God

      Your move.

      I'll raise you one:

      "God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche

    25. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RIM is in MUCH better shape than Apple was at their low. They have a brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware, and are still the only viable option where mobile security is important.

      Sony has posted how many quarterly losses lately?

      The last quarter was their first loss since the idiotic "RIM is dead" meme started (oddly enough, when they were still the #1 smartphone vendor). Their user-base is still growing rapidly. RIM is about as far from dead as you can get.

    26. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll start: Steve Jobs is God

      Your move.

      I'll raise you one:

      "God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche

      In Nietzsche's book, it was "the fool" who said that god is dead.

      However, Nietzsche was not the first to proclaim the dead of god.

      That was Gérard de Nerval in his 1852 poem "Les Chimères":
              'Dieu est mort ! le ciel est vide
              Pleurez ! enfants, vous n’avez plus de père !'

    27. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Old97 · · Score: 4, Funny

      OMG! A RIM Evangelical. I heard you all moved to Indonesia.

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    28. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by briniel · · Score: 0

      RIMM stock is on sale if you care to wager on above POV.

    29. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, a Blackberry fanboi?? I thought they were extinct!!!

      Quick, someone call the Smithsonian before this specimen gets away!

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    30. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who are you calling gentlemen?

    31. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Who cares what doctors say! I'm waiting for Netcraft to confirm it!!!

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    32. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Would Nietzsche have been an Apple user?

      Is that you, Socrates?

    33. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remind me not to hire your financial adviser.

    34. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Solandri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Couple oldies but goodies:

      How the different phone users see each other

      And I'll go ahead and take a side in this battle....

    35. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of Yngwie Malmsteen

      FTFY.

    36. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      There's nothing good about RIM's financials. Yes, they probably are in "better" shape than Apple (less than 90 days run left) but the possibility for a turn around is much bleaker for RIM. First, there's no anti-trust suit going on against their major competitor who just had their only other competitor drop out of the market and created the environment for a major financial booster shot to keep them running. Second, their "brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware" combination isn't slated to come out for another year and will have to go agains not just one but several entrenched camps. Apple's turnaround came with an entirely new product. Third, with the introduction of the NSA backed secure phone, no, they aren't.

      Why bring Sony into this discussion, unless you want to point out where RIM will be in another 6-12 months, if they survive that long. Funny things happen when public perception and lost mindshare paint you as a dead company, especially as all indicators point to falling numbers across the board and the reason for that are the ever increasing numbers of other companies.

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    37. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      So God has no taste? I knew it!

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    38. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by painandgreed · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're thinking of Eric Clapton.

      I was thinking more of Eric Cartman.

    39. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by bitt3n · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would Nietzsche have been an Apple user?

      Man and iMan

    40. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by bitt3n · · Score: 1

      RIM is in MUCH better shape than Apple was at their low.

      Apple had no Apple to contend with. What are they going to do? "Behold! The most secure version of Angry Birds ever!"

    41. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 1

      . Second, their "brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware" combination isn't slated to come out for another year

      This fall isn't "another year" away.

    42. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Because RIM has been so spot on with their product launch predictions (well, to be honest - they launched, minus a slew of promised features.)

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    43. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by 4phun · · Score: 1

      Two cellphone manufacturers enter!

      RIM takes one on the chin, and is down for the count!

      Google, Samsung, and Android just took a bunch of horrible hits.

      The import and sale of the Google flag ship Nexus released Monday has just been banned in the USA by court order obtained by Apple a few hours ago.
      http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-gets-another-injunction-this-time-on-samsungs-galaxy-nexus/

      Google's strategy of buying Motorola to protect Android using FRAND has been hit hard after six key congressmen visited the FTC Thursday and warned them FRAND ABUSE will not be tolerated in the USA either. Don't you just love an election year?

      http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/7/3071117/ftc-standards-related-patents-can-cause-substantial-harm-when-used-to

      Then Google has been hit hard by Apple dropping Google maps from Apple mobile this fall. Google looses map revenue and market share while Google is forced to dump large sums into new map display technology to try to convince mobile users Google maps are better.

      http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/06/google_maps_can_apple_dominate_mapping_by_kicking_google_off_the_iphone_.html

      Is it really true you can loose your voice if you excessively scream in anger and pain?

    44. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Only if he gazed too long into the iAbyss.

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    45. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by sootman · · Score: 2

      > RIM is about as far from dead as you can get.

      Wow.

      I just pasted the URL of your comment into an Outlook reminder. We'll revisit this statement in one year.

      I don't know what metric you're using--market cap? cash in the bank?--but Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny. RIM, at the moment, is in a total nosedive. Different velocities = different results. I also don't know what you mean by "the #1 smartphone vendor"--maybe they had the most units out there at some moment last year, but Apple has had great sales--and, more importantly, HUGE profits--for quite a while. Meanwhile there's just one story after another about how badly RIM is doing right now. As someone pointed out today, "Since release of iPhone 5 years ago, market caps of companies most affected: $AAPL +376%; $GOOG +9%; $RIMM -85%; $NOK -89%"

      Oh, and that brilliant new OS? You'll see it Q1/2013 at the earliest.

      I agree that there is a market (smaller than all of consumerdom, but not negligible) of people who want the security that BB offers, but I don't know if RIM will continue to be the company that offers it. Besides, the people that need security the most can roll their own--they always have--if there's not a vendor handy to supply it.

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    46. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    47. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by davester666 · · Score: 1

      But Bill told me that tablets only work properly to create content if I'm using a stylus with it! He's never wrong.

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    48. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Their user-base is still growing rapidly.

      RIM doesn't agree with you. Shipments of new phones are down about 1/2 what they were 2 years ago.

      solid top-of-the-line hardware

      Huh? In what way?

      I agree that RIM has a good product, just not that it is comparable to Apple / Android offerings in terms of OS, software or hardware. Frankly given their data efficiency I think they should move down market. RIM messaging / email plus light browsing (especially because of compression) is fine with a 200m dataplan / mo or even using 2G data. That's what they should be doing, going for being a cheap alternative until they get comparable. In terms of security, no question RIM is the leader. Really they are the only phone with enterprise features. Which again, cheaper could help.

    49. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      It is here (having just finished autumn this month and moved into winter). Southern hemisphere, obviously :)

    50. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 1

      Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny.

      They were 90 days from insolvency when SJ came back. They were rapidly dying, not slowly shrinking.

      RIM, in contrast, has no debt, a growing customer base, and their first quarterly loss (the latest one) was due to an inventory write-down (e.g. a paper loss).

      They have a clear plan moving forward, a fantastic new OS, and a brilliant suite of dev tools. They've been very successful at developer outreach and their once anemic app ecosystem is rapidly nearing the 100k mark. They have made some great acquisitions and formed some great partnerships. They're in a MUCH better position that Apple was.

      Oh, and that brilliant new OS? You'll see it Q1/2013 at the earliest.

      WSJ posts bullshit from the rumor mill? I didn't check the article, but I'll bet it's a BGR post blindly barfed up. No official announcement, all signs point to a fall release.

      I agree that there is a market (smaller than all of consumerdom, but not negligible) of people who want the security that BB offers, but I don't know if RIM will continue to be the company that offers it.

      They're the ONLY company that can. No one else has ever come close. Besides, there's more to BB than just their best-in-class security. They're ahead of the curve in a lot of different areas.

      Please, I'd LOVE to revisit this in one years time.

    51. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 1

      RIM doesn't agree with you. Shipments of new phones are down about 1/2 what they were 2 years ago.

      Again, their *user-base* is growing rapidly. Two years ago RIM was selling more smart phones than Apple. They were experiencing massive growth. That they're shipping few phones than two years ago isn't cutting in to their user base at all. Indeed, there are more BlackBerry users world-wide this quarter than in the previous quarter.

      I agree that RIM has a good product, just not that it is comparable to Apple / Android offerings in terms of OS, software or hardware.

      Take a second look at their current offerings (the 9900 is a solid high-end phone.) and remember that that is all legacy now. Take a look at their new OS and what we know about the new hardware. Hell, take a look at the developer preview devices, they're really good hardware-wise (the display is even better than Apples so-called 'retnal' display) and remember that that hardware is outdated compared to the hardware on the soon-to-be-released BB10 handsets.

      They're not exactly behind in hardware and software -- and their new stuff puts them a ahead, at least as far as the software goes (it's just impossible to stay ahead of Android phones in terms of hardware for more than week with so many high-end devices released throughout the year). Their other great features like security and data efficiency are just icing on an already sweet cake.

      Frankly given their data efficiency I think they should move down market.

      This is precisely what RIM is doing in developing countries, where they've made significant inroad in emerging markets like India. On the enterprise side, they recently released an OS7 Curve without a camera to cater to users and organizations that can't have a camera or camera phone for whatever reason. Still, the money is in the high-end in western markets. I believe, based on what we know about BB10 and the new hardware, that they can recapture a large chunk of that market. They were the #1 selling smartphone brand less than two years ago, and the brand still carries a lot of weight -- just not on Slashdot.

    52. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Maxx169 · · Score: 2

      We have killed him—-you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the reality distortion field? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away general purpose computing? What were we doing when we chained our phones to fucking iTunes? Jobs is dead. Jobs remains dead. And we have killed him.

    53. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Shag · · Score: 1

      They have a brilliant new OS

      Well... the origins of QNX don't go back quite as far as those of BSD, but do go back further than those of Mach, NextSTEP and XNU. I'm not quite sure that "new" is the word you're looking for, but I suppose it does seem both new and brilliant compared to legacy BBOS!

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    54. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      I am not going to counter your argument, since I haven't done the analysis myself. On the other and I am curious to know where RIM is ahead of the curve and whether they are capatilizing on that advantage?

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    55. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 1

      I did make a mistake. I missed the Q1 2013 announcement from the day before.

      RIM is ahead of the curve in a number of areas: Security (obviously) and device management (still leagues ahead of competing products) are the two easy ones to hit. Their new OS is far more advanced, technically speaking, than iOS and Android. (Just take a look at this for just one cool thing.)

      Their new UI is geared toward multitasking, it's incredibly slick, and well ahead of Android (which would require major changes to address) and iOS (which simple can't be adapted for similar functionality.) On that front, the competition has a long uphill battle to match RIM. Really, you really need to see it in action. The PlayBook just gives you a taste of what a real mutitasking experience on a mobile device can be. What we're seeing wtih BB10 is taking things to the next level. They also have the best mobile/tablet integration on the market, check out what you can do with Bridge.

      They've solved the dual use problem of a work and personal phone with the full security and remote management enterprises demand and the total freedom users demand with Balance. Fusion provides the most comprehensive device management tool on the market, allowing Andorid, iOS, BB, etc. devices to all be managed seamlessly with a single application -- of course, other platforms don't have the same fine-grained control you get with BB devices, that's not something RIM can fix for them!

      Less impressive, they have the best HTML5 support of any mobile browser (tablet), beating out many desktop browsers. BB10 brings even better support (as we've seen already) to both tablets and phones with very impressive score well ahead of other up-coming mobile browsers. (On phones, they're currently on par with Android 4 on OS7 handsets.)

      They have a fantastic suite of development tools, including an NDK, offering developers more options for development than any other platform. Cascades (for UI development) is simply unmatched. (They acquired TaT, one of their best acquisitions to date, which is responsible for Cascades. Check it out if you're a developer.)

      They've formed strong partnerships in the auto industry, leveraging that aspect of their QNX acquisition giving them a strong early lead in a market Apple is trying to break in to. Given that RIM has the objectively better technology, and QNX already has a long history in the auto industry, Apple has a hard fight in a market they clearly see as profitable enough to be worth pursuing.

    56. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      All this sounds good, but what is to be seen is whether they can package and present this to a market that has built its expectations around what Android and iOS are offering. Have a great product on paper is only half the race, being able to present this to a market sucessfully with increased expectations is the other half. Also, having rested their laurels did help. Also, as much as their business focus has been their advantage, the shift to 'bring your own device', will hurt them if they don't understand this shift. Also, as having been portrayed negatively by the press, they need to work twice as hard to provide an appealing product and ready for release in weeks.

      One of the major mistakes RIM was when they presented the Playbook, in that it revealed to much of its hand, had a feature set that was likely to be trumped by the new iPad when it came out and also selected a release date that was too close to the iPad. Had they been a few months earlier they would have been able to capitalize on that advantage. Requiring the use of a BB to use the Playbook was another short sighted mistake, especially if you are trying evangelize a new user base. This is certainly the past at this point, but if RIM is to succeed then it needs to stop thinking like a traditional electronics company.

      Apple in the late 90s really had a lot of great stuff, but that didn't stop them from almost going under - they also had rested on their laurels for a time. It was only under the right management and change in focus, (and a little financial help from Bill Gates) were they able to make a come back. Also, Apple focused on keeping inventory at a minimum, so avoiding related costs. RIM needs something of a leader to do the same, ideally someone who is neither an accountant or a lawyer.

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    57. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by xtal · · Score: 1

      The reason is simple. Apple products are build well and when held in comparison to other products, make them look like cheaply made, MBA designed, trash.

      That's all folks.

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    58. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I understand what you mean by user base I wan't considering the 3rd world. My point was that phones are on a 2 year (or less) renewal cycle. If shipments are down, and they quite a bit down and have been the user base is shrinking not growing. Shipping fewer phones is cutting into their user base.

      Checking the data, there is a lag because 1st world cast off phones get sold in the 3rd world, but RIMM doesn't make money from 2nd hand phone sales. I guess they are pulling in the 3rd world fees from BlackBerry messenger but those are much lower than first world fees they are replacing. This speaks well of RIM's phones durability but I'm not sure it says anything healthy about the company.

      Take a second look at their current offerings (the 9900 is a solid high-end phone.)

      The 9900 is a 2 year old phone. It was IMHO somewhat behind the iPhone 4, in terms of hardware but definitely better than the 3G. Which is what reviews said at the time. In other words hardware wise 2 years ago they were a little behind. The problem is since then things have gotten worse, Apple and Android hardware has been on tare. It isn't even in the same ballpark as the 4S and Apple is very close to the 5. Again the 9900 is far better than most feature phones, is comparable to the low end Android stuff but no its not top of the line for a high-end phone at all.

      Googling the developer preview I don't see what's out of the ballpark on those phones. So I'm not seeing what you mean.

      They were the #1 selling smartphone brand less than two years ago, and the brand still carries a lot of weight -- just not on Slashdot. /. people are younger and quite often business don't pay for mobile for their IT staff. Many /. users have never used a BlackBerry, and and even greater percentage have never seen a full RIM setup with BBes, MVS.... But the evidence of the brand still having weight is the fact that RIM still gets coverage. People don't even bother to cover Vion relative to Apple / Android.

      I believe, based on what we know about BB10 and the new hardware, that they can recapture a large chunk of that market.

      I think so too. I think enterprise is being incredibly foolish with BYOD. It encourages corporate data to migrate out to cloud services. Particularly in environments where the desktops are locked down for security while at the same time IT budgets are tight (which is not an uncommon situation) smart phones are becoming the gateway for non standards software that's not going through IT at all to become business critical. 2 days ago tethering became included free with all Verizon plans. Companies that would never think of allowing an alternate wired network are now going to have devices designed to plug into desktops and laptops which tether to a wholly uncontrolled network at every desk, and security policies which encourage its use.

      That being said. RIM when they were on top, and I say this as a guy who pushed at a 2300 person RIM based solution, did not and still does not encourage enterprises to use all their advanced features. They charge a lot of money and don't provide the support for implementation. Lots of companies that had, or still have BlackBerry don't take advantages of things like MVS which are value adds unique to RIM. Lots of companies don't use BES properly and have no idea of its full capacity.

      RIM is still the only company focused heavily on enterprise, but they aren't upgrading their software offerings quickly enough. Meanwhile 3rd parties are moving towards offering 80% of BES's functionality and the security functionality for Android and Apple and might be there in about 2 years.

      QNX offers advantages far greater than the Linux kernel or the XNU. But so far no RIM device is using them, they are just working on getting existing functionality ported.

      If we still treating RIM as high end phone manufacturer then:

      a) Their devices are behind on 3rd party software by a lot

    59. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Grudge2012 · · Score: 1

      Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny.

      They were 90 days from insolvency when SJ came back. They were rapidly dying, not slowly shrinking.

      And the source for this is no other than its savior, Steve Jobs. So it must be true.

    60. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny.

      They were 90 days from insolvency when SJ came back. They were rapidly dying, not slowly shrinking.

      And the source for this is no other than its savior, Steve Jobs. So it must be true.

      Not sure where that came from, but it's been documented by the CEO (who would know better?) and there was also this massive cash infusion from MS to keep them from going under in 97.

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    61. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Motorola was already a lost cause when they and Apple had their multiple cases combined in court. As soon as that happened, it was a victory for Apple, the rest wound up being a rather quick downward spiral, almost at lightspeed for a court system.

      The Nexus injunction is a huge blow if it sticks. No details in the story, I'd be interested in whether Apple's claims stick.

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    62. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by doccus · · Score: 1

      You know, the clearly dilsectic person who wrote that famous scrawl on the wall back in 60's UK, really meant to say "Clapton is good" ;-)

    63. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 1

      The 9900 is a 2 year old phone.

      If you're this misinformed, I'm not even going to read the rest. It's pretty clear that you don't have a clue.

    64. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their user-base is still growing rapidly.

      I thought you might be serious until that line gave it away.

    65. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Grudge2012 · · Score: 1

      Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny.

      They were 90 days from insolvency when SJ came back. They were rapidly dying, not slowly shrinking.

      And the source for this is no other than its savior, Steve Jobs. So it must be true.

      Not sure where that came from, but it's been documented by the CEO (who would know better?) and there was also this massive cash infusion from MS to keep them from going under in 97.

      The "massive" cash infusion that was dwarved by the cash reserves Apple had at hand even back than, Bob. And I wouldn't call something mentioned in an interview once "well documented" either. But hey, I'm only a sports announcer, Bob, while you are a a sports announcer and former quarterback , and sure know more about how in interviews some people tend to present their performance as much more important than it really was, while downplaying the role of others (like Gil Amelio).

    66. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      . Second, their "brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware" combination isn't slated to come out for another year

      This fall isn't "another year" away.

      Dang, didn't even have to wait until this fall for the delay announcement. Try Q1 2013

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    67. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What shipping, "brilliant new OS" are you talking about? If RIM, which is all smart phones, is losing market share and users, how is the user-base still growing? And how is RIM doing as well as Apple did? Over 10 years ago, Apple had $6B in cash on hand with little to no debt. RIM, has only $2.9B cash on hand in today's dollars. That is no where nearly as well off as Apple was.

  2. Android flames best.. the batteries come out by swschrad · · Score: 1, Funny

    Apple fanbois like me can't get the batteries out to make them sail across the backyard from the bonfire pit.

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    1. Re:Android flames best.. the batteries come out by present_arms · · Score: 1

      Yes you can, only difference is that there is an ipad attached to the battery :)

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    2. Re:Android flames best.. the batteries come out by Metabolife · · Score: 1

      On a serious note: It's actually pretty easy to pop off the back and change out the battery. Just a thin piece a plastic and a pentalobe screw driver you can get for a couple bucks.

    3. Re:Android flames best.. the batteries come out by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      And if you want Apple to do it for you it's a $79 cost, which includes the new battery.

    4. Re:Android flames best.. the batteries come out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here...

    5. Re:Android flames best.. the batteries come out by kthreadd · · Score: 0

      Actually, all iPod, iPhone, iPad and MacBook batteries are replaceable.
      http://www.apple.com/batteries/replacements.html

    6. Re:Android flames best.. the batteries come out by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      It's actually pretty easy to pop off the back and change out the battery. Just a thin piece a plastic and a pentalobe screw driver you can get for a couple bucks.

      However, if you do that while on an airplane, then you're in for some more costs, plus a night in detention.

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  3. No surprise. by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Jobs and his team made a damn fine piece of technology: A screen large enough for web-surfing & an easy-to-use touch interface. Plus people were already thrilled with the best-selling iPod, so stepping up to an iPhone was a natural next step.

    In other news: I was just reading this morning that phone sales are down for everyone (except Apple apparently). Overall retail sales in the EU have dropped 7%. Sounds like we're headed for great recession part 2. :-|

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    1. Re:No surprise. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Not really such a small step as you claim. The iPod was still a device with a touchwheel before the iPhone.

    2. Re:No surprise. by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Steve Jobs and his team made a damn fine piece of technology"
      Copied. they Copied it from the LG Prada.

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    3. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope

    4. Re:No surprise. by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Let's test that statement. Can you tell me which part of the Prada they copied? Because frankly, those two phones had nothing to do with one another.

    5. Re:No surprise. by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Since the LG Prada was announced December 2006, and the iPhone was shown by Steve just three weeks later, it seems unlikely they copied. It was parallel development like how both Elisha Grey and Bell developed the phone in parallel.

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    6. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada

      The rounded corners, for a start...

    7. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The LG Prada was apparently shown off earlier as reportedly it won a prize for its design in September 2006.

    8. Re:No surprise. by oxdas · · Score: 1

      Where did you see the news? Goldman Sachs cut their growth targets for smartphones on Monday, but they still believe the market will grow 38% in 2012. They didn't have anything negative to say about either Apple or Samsung (unlike the downgrade they gave RIM).

      Additionally, Samsung announced on Monday that the Galaxy SIII is their best selling smartphone ever and estimated sales of 10 million by the end of July (although they are having a components shortage right now due to demand).

      I am guessing the news was including dumbphone sales.

      I agree with you that the OS for the iPhone was a big innovation compared to the rest of the market. It really allowed them to build a strong app repository (something other companies had tried and failed).

    9. Re:No surprise. by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Enough alike that I doubt an IP lawyer could tell the difference from across a courtroom.

    10. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      People forget this now, but the iPhone did not support apps when it launched. Jobs didn't want third-party code on the iPhone, and tried to assuage the demand with web-based APIs for accessing phone hardware. App support was only added over a year later with iOS 2, coinciding with the launch of the iPhone 3G, as Apple and Jobs conceded to the inevitable.

    11. Re:No surprise. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I was just reading this morning that phone sales are down for everyone (except Apple apparently).

      What were you reading, a blog written by your sister? (IOW, link please.) For the rest of us, the situation seems to be developing as you would expect, contrary to widespread reality distortion from Apple. Samsung to be the top handset manufacturer overall with 26.0 percent market share. Google Android continued to grow its share in the U.S. smartphone market, accounting for 51 percent of smartphone subscribers, while Apple captured more than 30 percent.

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    12. Re:No surprise. by Americano · · Score: 2

      And I bet Apple has functional test models that look pretty startlingly like the finished iPhone that predate September 2006. If there was any merit to the "they copied it" thing, LG would have already put Apple through the wringer in court, and they would have won.

    13. Re:No surprise. by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Funny

      So are you saying that you believe that Steve Jobs' exceptionally strong moral and ethical compass put him way above engaging in a bit of industrial spying?

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    14. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In order to win an award, you have to present a design in public. That's how LG won their's. Therefore, in September 2006, the design of the LG Prada was known and clearly was available to Apple.

      Apple clearly didn't have a functional test model that looked startling like the finished iPhone in September 2006. If they had, the iPhone would have gone on sale in January 2007, not been presented as the prototype of something coming RSN that was. It's very clear they didn't have anything close to ready until the end of 2006.

      So, no, you're wrong, I'm right and I win the Internet and you don't, loser.

    15. Re:No surprise. by oxdas · · Score: 3

      Indeed, both companies (and many more) had been moving in the same direction in their designs for years (evidenced by community designs and design patents in the preceeding few years). The iPhone and the LG prada were the natural progression (evolution) of phones, neither one revolutionary in their appearance or function.

    16. Re:No surprise. by KingMotley · · Score: 2

      Except the development of the iPhone started nearly 3 years before LG announced the Prada, and the iPhone was announced less than a month after the Prada.

      If the iPhone was truly copied from the Prada, you can bet that LG would have filed a lawsuit and be rolling in the money. Even they realize that it wasn't, and they have a lot more to lose than a poster on /.

    17. Re:No surprise. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      A) Prada came out just around the time of the iPhone, not enough time for Apple to copy.

      B) The only remote similarity was in shape, and some icons - the rest was a horrible mess.

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    18. Re:No surprise. by KingMotley · · Score: 0

      As an owner of an original iPhone, I can assure you that you are mistaken. I was downloading and installing apps on it when I first got it, and the iPhone 3G wasn't out yet when I got mine, or I would have gotten that instead.

    19. Re:No surprise. by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      You're wrong. I had one too. That was the big deal about the WWDC after the first iPhone. Jobs was still trying to sell web apps as the only model.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)#Software

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    20. Re:No surprise. by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Do you know of a phone that didn't have rounded corners at the time? It's like saying my Tercel is like your Camaro because they both have four wheels.

    21. Re:No surprise. by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      Enough alike that I doubt an IP lawyer could tell the difference from across a courtroom.

      Which proves nothing but the utter stupidity of said lawyer.

    22. Re:No surprise. by oxdas · · Score: 1

      That's funny when you consider that the killer app ended up being the AppStore. Apple bragged that there were 60 million AppStore downloads in the first month after the launch of the 3g.

    23. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      I'm definitely not mistaken. The app store and the ability to install third-party apps was only added in iOS 2. It was a controversial decision at the time, and a lot of noise was made in the press, with some claiming the iPhone wasn't a smartphone without third party app support. The Isaacson biography of Jobs goes deeper into this; even after the launch of the iPhone, Jobs resisted adding third-party app support, and only did so grudgingly.

      A simple google search should verify this for you. For example, a simple search turns up this Macworld article from a few days ago that has some discussion on the original lack of third party app support:

      http://www.macworld.com/article/1164706/the_iphone_five_years_later_.html

      Or this article that covers the launch of the app-store and third party apps fourteen months after the iPhone launched:

      http://www.macworld.com/article/1132402/appstore.html

    24. Re:No surprise. by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      They were both based off a design that won big awards.

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    25. Re:No surprise. by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      Jobs didn't want third-party code on the iPhone,

      More like: Apple didn't have an SDK that was in good enough shape to hand it out to third-party developers.

    26. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 0

      This was true, but the underlying reason is that Jobs didn't WANT an SDK fit for third-party developers. He believed that they would taint the purity of the experience. People were really on Jobs' case about this inside Apple.

    27. Re:No surprise. by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The iPhone and the LG prada were the natural progression (evolution) of phones, neither one revolutionary in their appearance or function.

      Natural progression of phone *hardware* and basic appearance.

      But in the "function" department, the iPhone simply blew the Prada away.

      Watch a video review of the Prada. It still used T9 input. It had tiny scroll bars that the reviewer could barely get to work. The appsIt was basically a candybar phone interface with touchscreen over where the physical buttons would be. The browser was so bad the only reviews I found that mentioned it at all, said it was terrible.

      In short, the only reason the Prada is remembered at all is because they got a full-size cap-touchscreen phone out first (announcement by 1 month; actual release by 2 or 3).

    28. Re:No surprise. by dragonjujotu · · Score: 2

      Whoosh...

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    29. Re:No surprise. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Your right. I could have sworn otherwise though. I did get my iPhone late into the cycle, must have been close to the iPhone 3 release. Guess I just forgot just how close it actually was.

    30. Re:No surprise. by qzjul · · Score: 1

      haha brilliant! :) maybe samsung should have included that pic as prior art...

    31. Re:No surprise. by Americano · · Score: 1

      Therefore, in September 2006, the design of the LG Prada was known and clearly was available to Apple.

      Yes, and since Apple was no doubt testing prototypes long before September 2006, what's your point?

      Do you think that shaking out design, hardware, and software bugs is something they would do in the final week of December?

      The "lost" iPhone 4 prototype was lost in March, the hardware didn't go on sale until June. Three months ahead of the announcement, they had functional prototypes that looked like the finished model.

      Yet you're suggesting that they didn't have any functional prototypes just 3 months before the announcement of the device? That's a rather extraordinary claim, considering Steve Jobs got up on stage with the phone in January - apparently you think they managed to design the entire case in just 3 months, and that they did it long after all the internals and software were written for it.

    32. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I believe they let you add bookmarks to web stuff in the first iOS release that showed up as icons on the home screen, although that might have been added in a later release. If it was present in the original release, perhaps that caused some confusion.

    33. Re:No surprise. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Ah, you are right. They were all web apps.

    34. Re:No surprise. by Grudge2012 · · Score: 2

      Hmmm. Let's test that statement. Can you tell me which part of the Prada they copied? Because frankly, those two phones had nothing to do with one another.

      Yeah, they copied a phone that was first presented after the iPhone. "But LG leaked images 3 weeks before the iPhone announcement", you will reply. Sure, and from those images Apple created actual working phones just in time for the keynote event. Imagine if LG had leaked those photos a week before, then Apple would sure have had the time to add the slider keyboard of the Prada.

    35. Re:No surprise. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Sorry, yes, they were originally all web apps. I can remember going to appopia.com and mockdock.com to "install" them by dragging a shortcut to the home screen.

    36. Re:No surprise. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

      The iPhone was the first cellphone that included a touchscreen interface that is actually viable and useful--interestingly, an outgrowth of all that research into a tablet computer (it's been said the tablet computer development that resulted in the iPad came before the iPhone, but when engineers realized the interface they ended up with on the iPad was very adaptable to a small touchscreen cellphone, the result was a cellphone that totally changed the cellphone industry).

      What makes the iPhone even more important is the fact that for the first time, control of updates was no longer dependent on approval of the cellphone carrier--Apple now provided the updates, and the user can select what to update. This is why I am holding out until the next-generation iPhone arrives this September, in spite of the very attractive Samsung Galaxy SIII available now.

    37. Re:No surprise. by Grudge2012 · · Score: 1

      The LG Prada was apparently shown off earlier as reportedly it won a prize for its design in September 2006.

      No it didn't. It won that price in March 2007. In September 2006 LG send in a non-working model to enter the competition. A closed competition, where nobody but the judges could see it.

    38. Re:No surprise. by 517714 · · Score: 1

      Cupidity, not stupidity.

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    39. Re:No surprise. by cheesybagel · · Score: 0

      The IBM Watson had a touchscreen long before the iPhone ever came out. The iPhone was just another iteration in the evolution of cellphones.

    40. Re:No surprise. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      s/Watson/Simon/

    41. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The LG Prada was presented for the iF Design Award in September 2006. The iPhone wasn't unveiled until January 2007. That is plenty of time for Apple to have stolen the external design, which is likely considering how similar the devices look.

    42. Re:No surprise. by oztiks · · Score: 1

      Stop relying on facts to back up your argument! You should be ashamed of yourself!

      We all know Apple is really really awesome and is the best thing since the PC where they reinvented the market with a better product and then ....Windows came out, retook the market eventually driving Apple into bankruptcy.

      Years pass and THEN

      The iPhone comes out and reinvents the market, Samsung comes out, retakes the market .... and ... nothing, we are at the stage now in repeated self destructive cycle where Apple fails to keep the market share because it cant keep up. The market gets flooded by competition and Apple goes back into its shell...

      My opinion is Apple should stop releasing iOS in full version numbers, it shouldn't be iOS 5 it should be iOS 1.4. I still use version 3 on my iPad and version 4 on my phone, you know much difference there is? None, except i cant use iCloud on the iPad.

      Mark me troll i know .. I'm expecting it.

    43. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enough alike that I doubt an IP lawyer could tell the difference from across a courtroom.

      Score +5 Bill Murray is Bob Harris Scarlett Johnansen Charlotte in Sofia Capollo's ...

    44. Re:No surprise. by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Except Apple made the iPad first, then when they had gotten the touch interface and screen to work decently they decided that they can make a phone too and decided to pull that first. Interesting that they could do ALL of that in a measly four months.

    45. Re:No surprise. by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Did you even see the keynote? The reason Apple unveiled the phone in January and sent on sale in June was said by Steve during the keynote. He said the regulations for a new company to start selling a new phone required them to submit the phone for a long 3-4 month review by FCC or what not. However they didn't want the phone details to be leaked this way so they made the keynote introducing the whole phone and THEN submitted it to FCC when everyone already knew about it.

    46. Re:No surprise. by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Or you had a jailbroken phone with Cydia installer and installed tons of apps through there...

    47. Re:No surprise. by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Then you must have been one of those people who were so displeased about Apple's policy that you resorted to Jailbreaking. Hackers were having fun with Nintendo emulators and accelerometer games long before Apple sanctioned 3rd party apps.

    48. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Development of the Prada started one year before development on the iPhone started. The Prada was publicly shown four months before the iPhone was unveiled.

      LG considers the iPhone to be a stolen design. They just aren't pedantic, petulant, sue-crazy dicks like Apple.

    49. Re:No surprise. by MacDork · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs and his team made a damn fine piece of technology: A screen large enough for web-surfing & an easy-to-use touch interface. Plus people were already thrilled with the best-selling iPod, so stepping up to an iPhone was a natural next step.

      Apple had a monopoly in portable music players. Shortly after, they integrated a music store into their music player's software. Using the RIAA's own stupidity against them, they locked music sold by this store into their own ecosystem using Fairplay. They soon found themselves sitting on a new monopoly in music sales. The RIAA eventually relented, but by then, the monopolist had moved on to gobble up another market: mobile phones. It only makes sense that customers didn't want to lose all that locked music and video content so they bought in to the next step. Then on to tablets. Then on to ebooks. Now, *finally* they are being investigated for illegally exploiting their monopolies. I guess having Al Gore on your board doesn't hurt when it comes to side stepping federal laws.

      Apple used to make things that implemented industry standards. Microsoft and Sony did the lock in shenanigans... Now Apple ships AirPlay so you have to buy that AppleTV dongle or a new mini just to mirror your laptop to your TV. Meanwhile, everyone else is shipping TVs with DLNA built in. Apple's not implementing DLNA. It's not in their interests to play nice with industry standard protocols anymore. We'll see how that works out for them. It didn't turn out so well for Microsoft or Sony.

    50. Re:No surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong - this stems from a misquote - Steve Jobs said they didn't have the _bandwidth_ to do apps yet.

      If you don't know what bandwidth means, close the tab you are reading this on now.

      He said they didn't have the people and process to release the phone and OS and manage writing beautiful public, secure and user-privacy respecting APIs all at once.

      He knew it was a job they had to do right.

      Which is why if you install 20 of the top apps on Google Play, you will get hundreds of notifications you can't control, and some will have stars and plus signs, and when you click on them they try and send premium SMS. Google hide more then the top three permissions from view, giving you a toggle, so you don't get a true indication of what you're installing.

      iOS - install away - it'll ask you if you want notifications. ICS.

      How was this lie upvoted 5, and other's saying he was selling web apps only?

      He's on record saying they don't have bandwidth _right now_ to release the public API

      Android APIs are a travesty - if you give an android phone to a kid you're committing child abuse - they are being spied on, and stupid xxx porn icons in the play store.

    51. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Because if you've read the biography, the not-enough-bandwidth thing was one of his excuses, and not the core reason?

    52. Re:No surprise. by Grudge2012 · · Score: 1

      The LG Prada was presented for the iF Design Award in September 2006. .

      No it wasn't. The iF Design Awards are in Spring, in the Fall you have to send in the entries, which nobody but the jury can see.

  4. five models by blackraven14250 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    with just five different smartphone models under its belt during that span."

    That's a significant part of the reason for it, right there.

    1. Re:five models by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      with just five different smartphone models under its belt during that span."

      That's a significant part of the reason for it, right there.

      I don't have one, so I really don't know. But aren't they five versions of the same model?

    2. Re:five models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're all iPhones, but there are different versions of each of the models, based on size only originally, but since then they've done variations for carrier (ie AT&T vs. Verizon/Sprint).

    3. Re:five models by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      They're referring to iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, and iPhone 4S. Those are their basic models, each with upgraded specs from the last. Each came in different capacities (i.e. 16gb and 32 gb), but there's only really 5 different models, with their respective size and carrier variations.

    4. Re:five models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes/no. You're getting quite semantic.

    5. Re:five models by Scootin159 · · Score: 1

      + iPhone 3GS (you just missed it in your listing)

    6. Re:five models by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right; 100%. With an iPhone there is a dead simple choice; I'm rich / prioritize this - take the latest model, pay a reasonable amount. Poor / sensible - take the older one still on sale. All of them are still delivering a platform on which most of the features ("apps") will work except where tied to some very specific new feature (e.g. siri to voice recognition). If you want to see how much other phone companies don't get this, look only at the wannabe competitors who are releasing new phones unable to run skype where previous models have been able to. Even Android is barely succeeding at getting this even with Google continually and determinedly pushing it.

      The real truth is that the brilliance of Apple was in sacrificing market share for the ability to make decisions independent of the mobile operators. This meant that there was only one company (Apple its self) putting it's own interests above the consumers and even that company is pretty much aware of the danger and so only does it "tastefully".

      This is what Microsoft is fighting for with Skype - the ability to bypass the mobile operators and make them irrelevant. I don't think they will succeed, but once the mobile operators realise the risk I think it will make Apple and Google's bargaining power much larger.

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    7. Re:five models by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a huge reason. The model simplicity (which is probably closer to 2 models when you factor in that the 3 models and 4 models share the basic case/form factor) is a huge win for consumers because it makes it easier for Apple to continue to support them with iOS updates AND for consumers to own them because they need to buy fewer accessories (my ProClip car holder still works with my 4s as it did with my 3gs).

      It's also simpler for consumers to wrap their mind around -- I wouldn't know what fucking Android phone to buy if you put a gun to my head. There's too many and too many from even one maker, and they seem (at least from the marketing background noise) to come out with new ones continuously.

    8. Re:five models by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They do have far too many models, and there's a new flagship every 4-6 months at most manufacturers. Those flagships are completely different on each carrier, too.

      On one hand, it promotes competition - Android phone specs are improving at a far better rate than the iPhone line. On the other, it makes the marketplace a total clusterfuck, so consumers have no idea what they're getting.

      One is an extreme singular focus, the other is an extremely competitive marketplace. If anything, this is a good case study of those extremes that can likely be applied to other industries as well. Too much high profile competition clouds the market, while too little ends up removing freedom in the name of centralization.

    9. Re:five models by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The accessory market is the place that iPhones seriously kick Android's butt. Most accessories require that you pick which little piece of plastic you put in the cradle, and it is ready to go for any iPhone or iPod Touch. Android has the benefit of choice, but that choice makes accessories less prevelent. This could be fixed with NFC being used to initiate a bluetooth connection. Specify an inductive charger, and the different shapes for Android would become a moot point. Since that hasn't happened yet, Apple wins on the accessories front.

      As for which phone to buy? That's easy. Go to your carrier and pick any phone that is priced from the middle up. It will be a great phone. If you want it to be as good or better than an Apple phone, just pick the device with the Nexus name on it.

    10. Re:five models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real truth is that the brilliance of Apple was in sacrificing market share for the ability to make decisions independent of the mobile operators.

      This is only relevant is the USA, it does not explain anything about the rest of the globe.

    11. Re:five models by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Yerp, I should learn how to count before posting again :-P

    12. Re:five models by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      I don't have one, so I really don't know. But aren't they five versions of the same model?

      In a significant way, yes. It is almost overstating it, to Apple's detriment, to say there is more than one model. This is what Apple does the most right. No confusion, no BS "feature" versions. You can get the latest, which has everything that Apple has to offer. Or you can save money and get a previous version.

      I don't have an iPhone. It is more than I need or want in a phone. However, navigating the market for basic dumb phones is a disaster. A zillion options that all suck in their own way trying to do more than is required.

    13. Re:five models by kaplong! · · Score: 1

      ...because it makes it easier for Apple to continue to support them with iOS updates...

      One would think though, but they don't. Apple doesn't support even relatively recent 'old' hardware: they abandoned the $500 (no subsidies back then) 2008 iPhone in June 2010 when iOS 4 came out, after merely two years! No security fixes, nothing. And since most app developers don't bother with iOS backwards compatibility, most newer apps (and app updates) don't run on that phone either.

    14. Re:five models by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The life cycle on a phone from the major carriers is 2 years. And Apple generally supports phones for a little over 3 from initial release date. With the 3G it has been much longer and still counting.

    15. Re:five models by jimicus · · Score: 1

      You ever tried getting official firmware updates for an Android handset two years after it was discontinued?

    16. Re:five models by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      And it is very "amusing" to recall that the main reason Elop said Nokia had to abandon the (much superior) Maemo/Meego platform is that they could only produce something like 1 phone model per year (they had two actually but he buried the N950).
      Yeah, we can't really have a winning strategy at Nokia now, can we?

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  5. Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's when I bought my unlocked Nokia smartphone (E90), which did more than the iPhone (web, VOIP, GPS, video calling etc) and had a real keyboard to boot. Still works, too (it's on its second battery pack).

    1. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you're E90 is a pain in the ass to use. I had my share of pre-iphone smartphones and frankly, they all were lacking.
      Sure, you could surf the web.. But your web browser would be slow, crashy, and would only display a few handfuls of websites with any degree of useablity. It was more a novelty than anything useful.

      Enter iphone. I picked it up, browsed to two web pages, and was instantly sold. Smooth scrolling, fast non-brainded rendering. Touch based input that actually worked. Tilting the screen to change orientation? Pinch zooming? It was like black magic. Everyone I showed it to was flored.

      Sure these lists of features were available in other, obscure places before. But never had they been put together in a package that was worth using.

    2. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeppers. Excellent hardware, even despite the idiosyncratic OS very worthy, and a superb e-book reader and emailer as well as providing a WONDERFUL audio quality.

    3. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      That is "my shade of gray is better than your shade of gray" reasoning. Pick up a first gen iPhone today. It will be painful. Heck, I find iPhone 4s to be painful to use with their crappy keyboard. Yes, phones before the iPhone (first gen) were generally worse than the iPhone. Phones after the iPhone (first gen) were frequently better than the iPhone. Pick any point in time, and you will find the same pattern.

      There are two things that would make someone declare the I phone to be the watershed device. 1) It has Apple's label on it. 2) It happened to hit their individual pain point threshold on an ever improving scale. The fact that group 1 was a very vocal group helped the uptake of the iPhone more than anything else.

    4. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all those features were there -- particularly pinch zooming and screen orientation were missing. (Well, screen orientation was available as a somewhat dodgy community hack, but not stock and nothing I'd recommend to the general public.)

      But the N800 had most of them, and the most important ones, IMO, and was very much beyond the novelty/ubernerd stage -- very "worth using" for a certain level of technically aware users (who were a sizable minority of iPhone early adopters).

      But it wasn't a phone, so it scared most of them right off. You had to use WiFi, or tether it with Bluetooth -- how weird is that? It revolutionized my mobile use, introducing me to the walk-around web almost a year before the iPhone came out (that's when I got it, not when it first came out). And the N810 made it all even better -- the touchscreen, full-web juiciness, but with a keyboard like the E90 & friends. Still, no phone, no deal -- it was "weird", so people didn't want it.

      By the time Nokia released the N900, which was finally "a phone" and thus saleable in volume, it was too damn late.

    5. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by afgam28 · · Score: 2

      The reason it is considered a watershed device is because it was leaps and bounds ahead of anything that was out at the time (and for a while after). Apologies to everyone else for stating the bleeding obvious, but for your benefit, here's what made the iPhone revolutionary:

      It had a screen big enough that web browsing was possible. Compare that with the crappy browsers that the old Nokia E90s and other smartphones had, where you had to scroll around using arrow keys and navigate through menus to enter text in a text box.

      The touchscreen interface and gestures made apps like Google Maps possible. There is no way this could've been implemented on the smartphones that came before the iPhone.

      The software was designed and integrated well with the new hardware (the capacitative touchscreen). The UI was smooth and wasn't clunky and annoying to use.

      Sure, Google and Apple have been incrementally improving the design, but their steps haven't been as big as the one Apple took in 2007. You must have your head deep, deep in the sand to think that it is considered revolutionary just because 1) it had an Apple logo on it or 2) it was just an incremental improvement and somehow everyone's pain threshold magically happened to be just below where the iPhone was.

    6. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Obviously your were impressed by #1.

  6. Meteoric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't that mean it came hurling down to earth and usually burned to nothing in the atmosphere?

    1. Re:Meteoric? by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

      Meteor's do not always fall, some just skip along the atmosphere and head back into space.

      That said, I hope Apple falls and burns without a Tunguska event.

    2. Re:Meteoric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed out, you are misunderstanding what the etymology of the word meteor is. The media is correct.

  7. Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Meteoric" brings to mind "meteor" which is something that falls down very fast and tends to burn up in the sky. (Yeah, I get that "meteor" as in "meteorology" and the notion that meteors are "fast"... it's the other properties of the word that I find horribly misplaced.)

    Sorry, but it seems "meteoric rise" has been used a lot lately and it's almost as if people are being tested to see how stupid they are.

    1. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      It's been used for quite some time. Language doesn't have to be completely literal. Chill out because the term isn't going away.

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    2. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      It's not 'stupid' as such, it's short-sighted. At some point a lot of people are going to realize that they themselves want to have the final work on what runs on their phone. Both Windows and OSX are headed the opposite way though, and will probably also be locked down before people realize they've lost control. Yeah, sure they'll have developer licences, but it really goes beyond that. Many people fought long and hard to keep computing open, and a lot of ground is being lost.

    3. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Studies show there has been a meteoric rise in stupid news articles.

    4. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I just realized that you meant being tested regarding the word 'meteoric'. I pass on that one, but fail overall. I thought you were saying iPhone users were stupid.

    5. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Brilliant and quick.
      Really, you should do less looking at others and calling them stupid, and more looking into the mirror.

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    6. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep holding out hope.

      What is it you can do with your phone that I can't with my iphone?

    7. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, but it seems "meteoric rise" has been used a lot lately and it's almost as if people are being tested to see how stupid they are.

      Actually, it's a test of how quickly some people jump to erroneous conclusions without bothering to check if there is a reasonable explanation they simply don't know about. We could call it the "true knowledge test for males between the ages of 15 and 30".

      The phrase "meteoric rise" has been in use at least since 1865 - and, given the context, it makes perfect sense.

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    8. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep reading it as mediocre.

    9. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      The word meteor comes to us from ancient Greek, with some kind of meaning of lifting up. Obviously the original etymological meaning is irrelevant to users of the modern phrase, but it's perhaps ironic that the meaning fits.

      The phrase "meteoric rise" has been used at least since the 1860s in print, and probably earlier than that in speech. Today we may know that meteors are drifting chunks of rock that burn up in the atmosphere or crash to the ground, but what about 200 years ago? What did (at least most) people know about meteors? They knew what they saw. Remember that night skies looked very different 200 years ago. Meteors were flashes of light that appeared out of nowhere, raced across the sky, and were gone. Inexplicable.

      Thus the phrase "meteoric rise" traditionally (I would say "always" but I think you might argue this point? it certainly in common usage implies all these things) had insinuations of the rise being ephemeral. A "meteoric rise" is unexpected, fast, and ephemeral. Two out of three ain't bad for describing the iPhone; we'll have to see about the ephemeral part!

      So no, your assumption is basically completely wrong. What did you mean by "it's almost as if people are being tested to see how stupid they are"? I'm really not sure what you're saying,

    10. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Couldn't let the comment slide without a little musical accompaniment.

      http://youtu.be/wUrqFkR7QlI

    11. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Americano · · Score: 2

      Mostly feel smugly superior that your phone has features that you don't use, but love to talk about on Slashdot.

      If every person who talks about "freedom" and "hackability" and "modifying the source" every time Android phones come up was ACTUALLY writing software for them and hacking them? The Android Marketplace would have a lot more software in it than it does.

    12. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      And in fact, although meteors are in fact falling, that is by no means evident to the watcher on the ground. It is not uncommon to see the track of a meteor start near the horizon and "rise" higher into the sky.

    13. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Install a non-WebKit browser, a Swype or similar keyboard for starters.

    14. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you fail on meteoric as well (since agreeing with the original poster on this point is a failure). I don't need to go into the reasons why, that's already been discussed elsewhere in this thread.

      Sorry, it's all fail :P

    15. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you use a shortened URL when posting a clickable link?

    16. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by jbolden · · Score: 1

      First off Apple users don't have final word on what runs. They like a managed platform. Essentially they like government over anarchy. Over time the iPhone has gotten more open not less. As for advanced users, since you know that developers don't have that problem, how exactly have people lost control?

      If you know what you are doing you, do what you want. If not, you have sound management. And finally if you don't like Apple's policies you can:

      a) Install iPhone Linux
      b) Jailbreak your iPhone
      c) Get the developer, enterprise or university SDK and change your policy settings

    17. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Upgrade the storage. Use other app stores than Apple's or Google's. See what permissions apps require and therefore be able to avoid any bandwidth hogs or privacy violators. Use Swype. Use whatever browser I choose.

    18. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      So you can:

      a) Invalidate your warranty
      b) Invalidate your warranty
      c) Pay $99 a year

      to be able to do what you like with something you've paid a lot of money for. Apple fanboys LOL.

      Posted from my iMac before you start calling me an Apple hater.

    19. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The point of this is, if you want freedom there are multiple routes to it. If you don't know how to reinstall an image from iTunes I doubt you have any need to do anything that Apple doesn't allow. Besides I don't know of Apple being strict about (a) or (b) mainly they won't support non standard configurations.As for (c), the people who object to paying $99/yr are likely the ones who would brick their phone if they had the access they are asking for.

    20. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      If I want freedom on my Android phone I need do nothing, because I already have it. The only way to get freedom on an Apple phone or tablet is either to be unable to return it if it breaks or to pay extra for the privilege. That, and the fact that they want 100GBP for an extra 16GB of flash RAM puts me off their version of 'freedom'.

      Your patronising comment at the end doesn't exactly advance your argument. I object to paying anything just so I can put what I choose on my portable computer. My phone belongs to me, not Apple or Google or Samsung, and Samsung get my money because they don't restrict my freedom in the way that Apple would, plus they allow me to add another 16GB of storage for about 10GBP from Amazon.

    21. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by jbolden · · Score: 1

      If I want freedom on my Android phone I need do nothing, because I already have it.

      No question, Android is more free.

      The only way to get freedom on an Apple phone or tablet is either to be unable to return it if it breaks

      As I said above that ain't true.

      I object to paying anything just so I can put what I choose on my portable computer.

      Apple has never classified their iOS devices as portable computers. They have always classified them as secondary devices.

      . My phone belongs to me, not Apple or Google or Samsung,

      Apple disagrees with you there. They are concerned about the total ecosystem and always have been. They see Apple users as a community and a society. Where your actions affect others and visa versa.

      plus they allow me to add another 16GB of storage for about 10GBP from Amazon.

      Apple's markups on storage for iOS devices are completely out of hand. OTOH in the last year I've given them $300 for about $30 worth of storage. I'm not going to defend that aspect, that's just pure "what the market will bear".

    22. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      youtu.be is the official URL shortener for YouTube so you can be sure it is going to YouTube, and regular YouTube links give approximately zero information on the video anyway. So it doesn't fucking matter. Also he may not have posted it as a clickable link, and not realised the Slashdot turns what it recognises as URLs into clickable links.

    23. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      As I said above that ain't true.

      It only ain't true because you cut the bit out about having to pay $99 a year for your freedom.

      Apple has never classified their iOS devices as portable computers. They have always classified them as secondary devices.

      I don't care what Apple chooses to call something I own. It's mine as soon as I give them the money and they give me the phone. They don't impose any restrictions on the iMac which is why I have one and if they were dumb enough to do that I wouldn't buy another.

      Apple disagrees with you there. They are concerned about the total ecosystem and always have been. They see Apple users as a community and a society. Where your actions affect others and visa versa.

      Somehow I doubt that they see Apple users in such a benevolent way. They are concerned with the total ecosystem because it makes them more money. In any case I don't need a supposedly benevolent dictatorship determining what's good for me. That's for me to decide, not them.

    24. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I don't care what Apple chooses to call something I own. It's mine as soon as I give them the money and they give me the phone.

      That's fine. And if you want to view things that way. One could just say that Apple is equally indifferent to what you want to do with something you own after you've paid. That sort of logic runs both ways.

      If on the other hand these things are an agreement, they you have decided to do buy a device X that does A,B,C and want to do D with it. Then it becomes a discussion.

      They don't impose any restrictions on the iMac which is why I have one and if they were dumb enough to do that I wouldn't buy another.

      You probably shouldn't. They have certainly encouraged developers and have built an eco system. They have precisely the same attitude about your iMac in terms of total eco system that they do with your iPhone. What I suspect is the difference is your opinion and there's are more in accord, but that's just a matter of chance.

      Somehow I doubt that they see Apple users in such a benevolent way. They are concerned with the total ecosystem because it makes them more money.

      Well yes. Apple is a luxury good's manufacturer, they need a very happy clientele willing to pay large premiums and/or buy higher end, for their products. But because Apple is interested in genuine customer satisfaction over the long term, there isn't a conflict of interest here. Apple's interests mostly coincide with their customer's interest. There are exceptions, but because Apple wants a satisfied user base even when they hit an exception they work hard to make the disadvantages ambiguous by creating corresponding advantages. That's not a bad situation for the customer.

      I don't need a supposedly benevolent dictatorship determining what's good for me. That's for me to decide, not them.

      That's fine. You will be much happier in the Windows/Android world where there isn't a benevolent anything.

    25. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      One could just say that Apple is equally indifferent to what you want to do with something you own after you've paid.

      Except that they actively prevent me using my property in the way I want to use it unless I pay them an extra fee or invalidate the warranty. That's not indifference.

  8. Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if this will continue for Apple.

    iOS 6 is a yawner. Yes, what we need -- more facebook integration. Already, there is a backlash against FB. The latest Android announcement had some cool items in it including another method of protecting against piracy that does not depend on if a device is not rooted.

    The Retina Display Macbook Pro has a cool screen, but cannot be repaired or upgraded.

    Mountain Lion?

    Jobs's RDF is gone.

    What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market. Enterprises buy stuff in such large chunks that a few good contracts are a lot better than lines around the building of hipsters.

    First, redo the Mac Pro. Make a chassis that works like a tower, but can have a rack drawer attached so it can be slammed into a standard enclosure. Offer not just 8Gbs FC cards, but NICs with enough packet offloading power so FCoE is workable.

    Second, make something like BES but for managing iPhones. Yes, Exchange can do a lot, but having a dedicated policy management server that can handle data transmissions, perhaps even backups of phone devices would bring a lot of revenue.

    Third, the ARM processor supports worlds. In this day of BYOD, offer iPhones and iPads with a "work" partition and a "home" partition. That way, the employee only needs to type in the long password when accessing the "work" side, and the Exchange erase only blows that out. It also allows for apps to only see a subset of data, so the FB app isn't able to access work contacts.

    Fourth, make an antipiracy mechanism similar to Google's LVL or new encryption mechanism in Jelly Bean. That way, apps don't have to rely on the fact a device is not jailbroken. As an added bonus, more money can be spent on features, not anti-jailbreak BS.

    Fifth, make a business friendly Mac desktop that can push the Dells and Compaqs out of the offices. Take an iMac, toss the camera and mic, and sell that as a business PC with service plans to follow. Lots of cash there to be made, as most companies would switch to Macs if they could, only for the artistic value of the machines.

    1. Re:Will it continue? by d*m*int · · Score: 0

      No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    2. Re:Will it continue? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Apple is actually alienating some of its most influential users, the ones with the big fancy machines that other Apple owners fap to. Macbook Pro is decidedly un-pro what with all the stuff you can't replace or upgrade. Mac Pro is not as expandable or upgradable as a real PC. Neither one is "professional". You can expect them to make the mac pro worse, not better.

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    3. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah mod that thing up.

      Some bozo on Slashdot is laying out a plan for what the most successful technology on the planet needs to do to stay competitive. This, the home of "ESR surprised by wealth", broadcasts the message of some self absorbed nerd who thinks anyone cares about the repairability of their laptop, and it is considered Insightful.

      Broadcasts it Apple who is certainly not combing the pages of this site for guidance. To a company that is envied by every other company on the planet. The brightest minds in business are right now wondering "how in the absolute hell do they do what they do?" How is it that they generate so much buzz over their products that they get free front page mention from the most read outlets all over the world? How can they make such enormous margins? Why are their retail stores slam full of people from open to close? How are their customer satisfaction ratings so incredible?

      Well stop wondering business world, here is some anonymous idiot handing you the keys to success right here.

    4. Re:Will it continue? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is such a glorious example of how Slashdot readers just don't get it sometimes. Let's see:

      Yes, what we need -- more facebook integration.

      Yes. There are literally 100's of millions of Facebook users and I suspect they will happily take more Facebook integration with their phone. Just because you (or many Slashdotters) hate Facebook doesn't mean that the vast (VAST) majority of people out there also hate it.

      What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market. Enterprises buy stuff in such large chunks that a few good contracts are a lot better than lines around the building of hipsters.

      Absolutely right. Except the iPhone is, by a wide margin, the most successful smartphone on the market making Apple the most successful company in the world while RIM, with it's focus on enterprise, is nearly dead. So maybe not so right after all.

      Seriously, Slashdotters have such a strong sense of "I know how to do it right and they clearly don't so let me spell it out for you..." Um, Apple is _THE_ most successful company on the planet, by a wide margin. They have figured out how to do it. Perhaps your roadmap to success isn't quite as good as you think it is given that your roadmap to success sounds a HELL of a lot like "focus on enterprise like RIM". You know, RIM, the company that is desperately cutting overhead in an effort to save their company from utter ruin because that's where they're headed.

      Look, Apple isn't perfect and there are things that they can do better in various ways but I think they've proven, beyond any possible shadow of a doubt, that their approach works a hell of a lot better than your suggested approach. Focusing on consumers is a roadmap to success. Getting consumers behind your product gets your product into businesses. They've proven this. Why Slashdotters cannot see this is a mystery to me.

    5. Re:Will it continue? by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 1

      First, redo the Mac Pro. Make a chassis that works like a tower, but can have a rack drawer attached so it can be slammed into a standard enclosure. Offer not just 8Gbs FC cards, but NICs with enough packet offloading power so FCoE is workable.
      All apple needs to do is include 2 thunderbolt ports, each on separate busses. Who needs FC when you have thunderbolt? Add USB 3 and new graphics cards; that's all I could ask for as a pro right now. There are so many thunderbolt video and audio devices coming out, it's sickening it's not on the mac pro yet.

    6. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market.
       
      RIM has already done that for them. You've been asleep.
       
        Fifth, make a business friendly Mac desktop that can push the Dells and Compaqs out of the offices.
       
      It's called the MacMini. Again, you've been asleep.
       
        That way, apps don't have to rely on the fact a device is not jailbroken. As an added bonus, more money can be spent on features, not anti-jailbreak BS.
       
      The idea is to keep them locked down. The real power of Steve Jobs is knowing when to say "No." If you want a tinkerer's gadget, go elsewhere. That's basically what Jobs was saying and the point so many people still miss because it's not screamed from the roof tops. SMH.

    7. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are suggesting that Apple puts huge resources into an enterprise business, and then spell out how to do it. The part your missing is why. What is in it for Apple to work hard at doing something they aren't good at? They are good at making high end personal hardware with simplified control schemes, what part of that translates to being able to produce work-horse, cost effective products? Their other primary skill appears to be upselling the fashion conscious more hardware than than they use or could need for the life of the product. These two niche's have made Apple hugely profitable and will continue to, unless they screw it up blowing money and time on a market they have no business entering. I would think the people who run these companies would be smarter than that but Microsoft is trying to compete with the iPad at the same price point, so who knows.

    8. Re:Will it continue? by stewbacca · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market.

      In engineering, EVERYTHING is about tradeoffs. You simply can't have a good enterprise experience AND a good consumer experience, so Apple (thankfully for me as a consumer) has leaned towards consumer. Sure there are some positive aspects of the consumer brand that could be incorporated into the enterprise environment, but for the most part, the two are mutually exclusive. This is why, in my opinion, Windows + x86 sucks as a consumer product. The money Microsoft makes from businesses is way more than their measly $300 here and there for Windows upgrades and Microsoft Office for the few dolts who haven't figured out you can be quite productive with a computer that uses neither.

      A good example would be the continuum of security vs. usability. Somebody who thinks security is important, probably devalues usability, because you can't really have both.

    9. Re:Will it continue? by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mac Pro is not as expandable or upgradable as a real PC.

      Wait, what? Have you ever used a Mac Pro?

      By "not as expandable or upgradeable" do you mean, "just as expandable and upgradable and a lot less bloody knuckling"?

    10. Re:Will it continue? by noh8rz4 · · Score: 0

      Mod down as lame and incorrect. Parent is suggesting that apple "take it to the next level" by abandoning the most successful business plan on earth and becoming the next HP. Success, for sure!

    11. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is still under NDA so probably you don't know yet, Apple is tackling the business/control thing. Also, there is stuff which is not apparent from the keynotes which I've seen in the development videos which will be huge: the drop of google maps to use vector info allows the maps to be used by voiceover. This is, disabled people using maps, which AFAIK nobody else is providing with the fantastic degree of accessibility Apple provides (plus new APIs, like finally being able to change focus). Only for that iOS 6 is worth gold (if you are disabled). And Android is still quite behind in accessibility (even in 4.x) possibly due to accessibility being opt-in.

      With regards to your anti-jailbreak claims, if you are spending your time there, maybe you are doing it wrong. Piracy tends to be a small percentage of paid users. And yes, when people track piracy they get huge numbers like the RIAA... from people who try once and never use again and stuff like that, or who wouldn't spend a dollar even if their life depended on it. Better DRM is not going to fix that anyway, try to provide a product people actually WANT to buy, not just another me-too app (yes, the appstore is filled to the brim with crap).

    12. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading your post I can tell you know nothing about apple, or why people by apple. You are talking about making windows more windows, apple is not windows.

    13. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BYOD?

      Bring Your Own Dildo?

    14. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIM is dying because its products have lost their reason for existence and they've failed to keep up with the times.

      in other words, no, it's not the fact that they targeted the enterprise, it's the fact that they thought they could sell the same people the same thing 30 times more often than necessary by intentionally degrading build quality. when the iphone started offering mediocre enterprise-friendly features, employers saw the writing on the wall -- hell, even the "ultimate enterprise" in today's economy (the US DoD, specifically the Army) has issued strong praise for the devices so far as usability and durability, something to the effect of 2 broken phones (out of thousands tested), both due to blatantly destructive accidents such as interaction with the wheels of an MRAP.

      for direct comparison -- I have both an iphone and a blackberry as work phones -- the iphone sucks for several specific use cases and the blackberry is a pale imitation of its predecessors. the specific use cases matter fairly little to the target market of the iphone; sadly enough, one is "actual use as a phone." the blackberry, on the other hand, is tragic.

      2002-2004 era RIM devices were simple, well thought-out, and built like a tank. you know, the hideously ugly ones with the thumbwheel. now? I've seen more durable plastics in happy meals, and the software has somehow gotten worse..?

      he's dead-on about the Mac Pro, although the first step would be "stop emasculating Darwin" (or xnu if you prefer) with a good second step being "servers are not workstations are not desktops are not tablets." the BSD layer of the OS could use some modernization, and the overall security infrastructure is somewhat lacking, but the design of the hardware itself is quite nice.

    15. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh, forgot the critical part -- RIM's acquisition of QNX would be tragic for an otherwise-great OS, except that it will probably be the one profitable item left on the books by then, bought by someone like NEC or Fujitsu. too bad the Canadian Government couldn't find the funds to see it back to its origin in academia...

    16. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your wish is my command (which is why I'm posting AC) - Apple needs to make a few, good, changes to really get into the Enterprise market. Then its full steam ahead!

    17. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron - the GP made some good points, and he got my last mod point for it. You, however, receive only my scorn and pity.

    18. Re:Will it continue? by Relayman · · Score: 1

      Don't miss the point that Apple is very enterprise friendly including remote wipe. Enterprises can even set up their own app stores. And VMWare is hoping to virtualize your iPhone so that your business stuff is completely separate from your personal stuff.

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    19. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do they get people like you to froth at the mouth when someone doesn't agree with "the Apple way"? It's Apple, they can afford to protect themselves, they don't need some anonymous coward to protect them from the naysayers.

    20. Re:Will it continue? by ekgringo · · Score: 1

      Yes, all of these are great ideas with the possible exception of the second one. Yes, make an enterprise management solution for iPhones, but for $DIETY's sake, don't make it anything like BES server!

    21. Re:Will it continue? by JasperHW · · Score: 1

      Um, Apple is _THE_ most successful company on the planet, by a wide margin.

      GE, 3M, IBM, Wal-mart, Nike, Exxon, AT&T, J&J and most of the finance industry disagree with you. What was your metric for "successful" again? Smartphone production or something?

      Seriously, Slashdotters have such a strong sense of "I know how to do it right and they clearly don't so let me spell it out for you..."

      No shit, right?

    22. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget re-doing the Mac-pro for servers they need to support Virtualization on any hardware, Why would i but custom MACs when i already have the VMWare setup up and running on better hardware with more expansion capabilities.

      As far as the iMacs make a slot on the bottom where a plate can be un-screwed to access RAM and HDD bays, why should they be stuck with what they were ordered with.

    23. Re:Will it continue? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Wow. So wrong in so many ways. I'll just pick one because I'm bored enough to respond to an AC.

      > First, redo the Mac Pro. Make a chassis that works like a tower, but
      > can have a rack drawer attached so it can be slammed into a standard
      > enclosure. Offer not just 8Gbs FC cards, but NICs with enough packet
      > offloading power so FCoE is workable.

      You realize that Apple has access to Apple's sales data, right? They know what is selling and what isn't. The Mac Pro is a sliver of their sales compared to iMacs and MacBooks, and making it better has the potential to make it grow to... a slightly larger sliver. Oh, and did I mention that all Mac sales are only a small portion of their income in the first place? They hardly need to listen to any of your suggestions at all.

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    24. Re:Will it continue? by jbolden · · Score: 2

      The macbook air is hugely successful and can't be upgraded. The way you upgrade a mac is you sell it or give it away and get a new one.

      What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market. Enterprises buy stuff in such large chunks that a few good contracts are a lot better than lines around the building of hipsters.

      Based on what? Enterprise customers are
      a) cheap while Apple tends to offer top of the line hardware
      b) demand long support cycles which goes against Apple's ability to rapidly move their eco system
      c) don't care about design ....

      Apple has most of the profits in the desktop industry and a huge chunk in the mobile industry. Because they focus on being end user and are not IT friendly.

    25. Re:Will it continue? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Apple is actually alienating some of its most influential users, the ones with the big fancy machines that other Apple owners fap to

      On what Mac site do you see complaints about the Mac Retina? I see little but raves about how fast the system is tieing the 2008 macpro (the desktop) in most CPU / memory tasks and with 450M/sec hard drives crushing desktops that don't have top of the line RAIDs.

      The changes to Final Cut Pro alienated their user influential users. The rMBP is why people buy Apple products.

    26. Re:Will it continue? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Apple is not enterprise friendly. Apple has some enterprise features.

      Let me link you to an advanced enterprise feature: http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/blackberry-mobile-voice-system.html
      Apple has nothing like that. The fact that RIM is losing ground to a company that barely even tries in the enterprise, shows you how effective Apple is at consumer features.

    27. Re:Will it continue? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Why would Apple want to support virtualization? You yourself are saying you don't want to buy their hardware which is how they make money. The one time Apple hemorrhaged money was when they allowed clones.

    28. Re:Will it continue? by Swampash · · Score: 1

      have you ever tried replacing components in a Mac Pro? I ask rhetorically of course, because if you had, you wouldn't say such rubbish.

      In thirty years of replacing computer components I have never had an easier platform to work with than a Mac Pro.

    29. Re:Will it continue? by toruonu · · Score: 1

      GE, 3M, IBM, Wal-mart, Nike, Exxon, AT&T, J&J and most of the finance industry disagree with you. What was your metric for "successful" again? Smartphone production or something?

      How about business metrics like:

      Market Cap: Apple (546B), Exxon (400B), AT&T (209B), WalMart (236B), GE (220B) etc etc. Apple is the largest US company and amongst the top of the world
      Annual profit: Apple (25.9B), Exxon (41B), WMT (15.7B), AT&T (4B) etc etc

      With the exception of Exxon Mobile Apple's the most profitable company with largest market cap and one of the highest growth rates in both market cap and profits. I could have also listed revenue here where again Apple would be one of the top.

      So I think you should think before you post about success or not. For any investor Apple has been THE success story and it's not over.

    30. Re:Will it continue? by Relayman · · Score: 1

      Apple supports the enterprise, all right, they just don't make a big fuss about it.

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    31. Re:Will it continue? by Relayman · · Score: 1

      I posted first then clicked on your link. My bad. The first thing that struck my eye: "Requires BlackBerry Enterprise Server". The cost of the server used to be tens of thousands of dollars although one administrator said it's now available for free. The features shown are things that can be provided by third-party software companies in the iOS environment. Apple provides the base and lets others add the features.

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    32. Re:Will it continue? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      No those features aren't provided third party for Apple. And they can't be provided entirely 3rd party because you need an interface into the outbound dialing system on the iPhone. There is no good reason Apple couldn't offer that hook to 3rd parties to allow for the creation of MVS like features, but as of today they don't. They do not offer a PSTN API. This BTW is the same reason they don't offer nearly as good encrypted voice as RIM or Nokia.

      As for BES being tens of thousands... First off, that's retail. People didn't pay that. Quite often the initial licenses were included with the first deployment and then additional employee licenses were about $10 each. For example on a 2200 phone deployment I did:

      BES was free for up to 3000 users (retail $15k)
      MVS was free for the first year ($18k year)
      Support and upgrades and continuing licenses of $4k / yr after the first year.

      The real cost of BES though is you need to hire BES administrators that is at least one staff. What RIM should be doing is offering BES/MVS/PBX in the cloud for midsized business. They could probably do it for about $20/yr/head and or partner with any number of 3rd party PBX vendors to make it standard.

    33. Re:Will it continue? by JasperHW · · Score: 1
      Ah, so you've amended your definition of success

      _THE_ most successful company on the planet

      to

      For any investor Apple has been THE success story

      which is a little more believable, though still not true unless you're speaking about a very specific time frame in Apple stock price. And market cap, please.

    34. Re:Will it continue? by toruonu · · Score: 1

      First off, it was someone else who posted the initial thing. And you'd have to have invested in a narrow window to not be in profit right now. Apple's at 584 usd / share and was over 600 for a short period of time only. It's still up 40% this year and is cruising near all time highs. There is no larger company and I'm pretty sure there has never been a company at 500B market cap that features 80-100% growth rate YoY.

    35. Re:Will it continue? by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Enterprises don't typically upgrade their hardware. They fix their hardware when it breaks, but hardly ever upgrade.

  9. Parent: Closest thing to a real analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

    'just an industy analyst,

    Everything else I've seen here on Slashdot - two bit opinions based on nothing.

    If I really knew the TRUTH, I wouldn't a dumb fuck analyst but a billionaire myself. But when I see a decent analysis, I know it.

  10. Whether you like Apple or not... by Zrako · · Score: 1

    The sales and profit figures for Apple in the smart phone industry are pretty impressive. I'm surprised other companies haven't adopted a similar business model with a limited number of phones.

    1. Re:Whether you like Apple or not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised other companies haven't adopted a similar business model with a limited number of phones.

      I think most of us can agree that the OS is more important than the hardware when choosing a smartphone. Without any other iOS phone manufacturers, Apple doesn't really have an incentive to produce more phones. Apple's phone will always be the best iOS phone. Android manufacturers do not have this luxery.

    2. Re:Whether you like Apple or not... by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Some have. RIM for example has a limited selection of phones with very gradual changes. Most of the device manufacturers though don't have brand loyalty from their customers so they target profitable niche markets and then broaden out.

  11. Daft Punk, Not Kanye by skinlayers · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Better, faster, stronger," Apple could have easily lifted those Kanye West lyrics for their press release announcing the coming of the iPhone 3GS in 2009.

    *facepalm* Sorry, I know its a minor detail, but Daft Punk originally wrote "Better, faster, harder, stronger", and Kanye sampled it (with permission) for his song. They have a cameo in his video, which is an awesome tribute to Akira for those that haven't seen it.

    *watches Daft Hands and Daft Bodies on youtube*

    1. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Zrako · · Score: 1

      "Better, faster, stronger," Apple could have easily lifted those Kanye West lyrics for their press release announcing the coming of the iPhone 3GS in 2009.

      *facepalm* Sorry, I know its a minor detail, but Daft Punk originally wrote "Better, faster, harder, stronger", and Kanye sampled it (with permission) for his song. They have a cameo in his video, which is an awesome tribute to Akira for those that haven't seen it.

      *watches Daft Hands and Daft Bodies on youtube*

      Thank you. Daft Punk FTW

    2. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attributing credit not to the creator but to the one that made it popular.
      Seems fitting for an article about Apple/iPhone.

    3. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by PerfectionLost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who actually sampled http://www.last.fm/music/Edwin+Birdsong heavily for the song...

    4. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when a former coworker of mine ranted about how The White Stripes had ruined "Joss Stone's" song 'Fell In Love With A [Girl]' taking a "really lovely soul song" and wrecking it.

      I laughed. I'm not sure he understood why.

    5. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Teresita · · Score: 2

      Sure, next you'll tell me MC Hammer sampled the bass line for "U Can't Touch This" and Vanilla Ice sampled the bass line for "Ice Ice Baby".

    6. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      I'm certainly no fan of Kanye, but you make it sound like he did nothing and deserves zero credit.

      He added the rap which takes Daft Punk's "Stronger" from just being a rather repetitive not-that-great song to a memorable song. I like the Kanye/Daft Punk collaboration, and downloaded it off the net. But the DP solo song is nowhere on my hard drive.

      And speaking of Daft Bodies, I'm looking forward to the nude version. ;-)

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    7. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're giving him far too much credit. Have you listened to the "lyrics"? There's nothing special about them. At all. Daft Punk did all the hard work for him, and just like any other rap "artist", he rode in on their coattails. He's a hack, plain and simple.

    8. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was stunned when I heard the original sample they used. The song is *completely* built around that. Even the breaks in the intro are on the original. The synth lines. Everything.

      The only thing they added was the vocals.

    9. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like people who think "You are my Sunshine" is a happy tune appropriate to sing to a loved one.

    10. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by skinlayers · · Score: 1

      I never claimed they wrote the music... I just took issue with the statement that the lyrics came from a Kanya song...

    11. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I never claimed they wrote the music... I just took issue with the statement that the lyrics came from a Kanya song...

      Oh I'm not laughing at you - I'm agreeing with you, and it reminded me of a similar situation.

    12. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by skinlayers · · Score: 1

      Which is par for the course in rap and modern electronic production.
      Remember "Come to Me" by P. Diddy?
      *shudder*
      I'll never forgive Jimmy Page for assisting with that atrocity...
      And who knows how many rappers that have sampled/covered "Fly Like An Eagle".
      I still chuckle at the fact that Mix-A-Lot and 2 Live Crew both sampled the hell out of Kraftwerk... Actually, EVERYBODY samples Kraftwerk. ;)

      Sorry, I'm a DJ and an amateur electronica producer, so I'm highly opinionated on the subject. I think there is a fine line between artistic re-purposing (a la a collage), and just whole sale ripping off a song. I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clubbed_to_Death_(song)

      If you want to look up who sampled what from who, I highly recommend this site:
      http://www.whosampled.com/

      Also, if want to see some pretty amazing hackery, check out how to recreated "Smack My Bitch Up" by Prodigy in Ableton Live. Its almost nothing but warped samples:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI

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  12. Not so fast, bunky... by LandGator · · Score: 1

    Samsung may have been under _your_ radar but they made some darned nice PalmPhones, e.g., the SHG-i300.

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    1. Re:Not so fast, bunky... by Grudge2012 · · Score: 1

      Samsung may have been under _your_ radar but they made some darned nice PalmPhones, e.g., the SHG-i300.

      Their phones were so nice, they actually had to sue because the designs were copied. Imagine that.

  13. It's not complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    It's funny how people fight over which smartphone is superior. If people from the past (even 10 years) could see people name-calling over who has what smartphone, they would think it absurd.

    Let me make it simple for you. Me touch phone. It do stuff. Me make phone call. Me play game. Nice blinky lights.

    It's no more complicated than that people.

    1. Re:It's not complicated by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      This is technology. There can only be one, and when there is, everything else must be branding as an x-killer.

    2. Re:It's not complicated by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      That sort of shit happens when society lets marketing weasels take control of the vernacular.

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    3. Re:It's not complicated by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1
      That sort of shit happens when society lets marketing weasels take control of the vernacular.

      Accidentally posted to AC above, mea culpa

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    4. Re:It's not complicated by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      now that Vi and Linux have won the editor/OS wars of the 90's, us geeks have to fight about SOMETHING on the internet.

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    5. Re:It's not complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There can be only one... but we fucking HATE monopolists.

    6. Re:It's not complicated by s7uar7 · · Score: 1

      It's always been that way. The oldest tech-related pissing match I can remember is Atari ST versus Commodore Amiga in the mid 80s, but I'm sure some of the old hands can remember similar arguments going way back.

    7. Re:It's not complicated by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      If you haven't seen it, go watch The Persuaders and see how advertisers focus more on emotional connections rather than the product they are selling. The very same emotional connections cults use.
      After watching this it is much easier to see why these flame wars exist and that participating in them is much like participating in a Christians vs atheists thread.

    8. Re:It's not complicated by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      Yeah. 100% right.

      I don't get it either. I have an iPhone ... it works and does what I want it to, and is simple to manage. It doesn't crash. It's nice and smooth and responsive when I scroll up and down. It gives me a decent 2 days of battery life. And has some fantastic apps. And listening to/controlling my music library via the included headphones works nicely on the bus. And a hundred other little reasons that made me buy it.

      But I don't give a flying f**k that Apple made it. Nor do I think Android is inferior - it's just different. If I were a programmer and wanted to run my own code or felt a need to customise the interface (which I agree you can't really do much on a stock iPhone), then yeah, Android'd probably be better for me. But that's not what my needs are ... I just want a phone that works with minimum fiddling (don't get me wrong - I like fiddling and hacking around with hardware, but I do that on my PC, not my phone, which I really see only as an appliance in the same way as I see my DVD player or microwave).

      So I honestly don't see why people get so ... passionate ... about one 'side' or the other. People buy the device that works for them (and people's needs are completely different, so obviously what's 'better' for a person might not be 'better' for another).

    9. Re:It's not complicated by fatphil · · Score: 1

      ZX Spectrum vs. vic20/C64 vs BBC

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  14. Your side is obvious by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only Apple Haters care about Steve Jobs.

    The rest of us just like functional devices.

    The rest of us realize Jobs didn't really matter, except that he had a talent for creating teams with amazing people.

    Not to belittle that talent, but since his team is the reason Apple succeeds Apple will do fine without him.

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    1. Re:Your side is obvious by obarthelemy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you're selling him short. The guy had the courage to enforce his own very strong opinions, that luckily were very user-centric, but also knew to back down from time to time. I don't agree with most of his choices, but they did work and push the envelope. On the other side, MS seems a prime case of community design and political choices, probably knowing what the market wanted (Metro !), but failing to push courageous solutions in favor of preserving their markets and counting on their strength to force bad-ish solutions down our throats. Smartphones and tablets are a prime example: MS was there first by a wide margin, but marred the experience by trying to use their desktop interface, failing to spot the allure of a fully locked-in, proprietary ecosystem, and relying on OEMs for hardware, apps, cloud.

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    2. Re:Your side is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. In the end, it's the spirit of pushing forward and constantly refining a vision for something that is admirable about Jobs - even if most don't know how to express that. As soon as anyone else is able to execute the same or better consistently, I'll wager the same thing will happen for that person.

    3. Re:Your side is obvious by jbolden · · Score: 1

      They often start off with some very courageous moves and lose their nerve. For example if Longhorn/Vista had had all 3 major enhancements: Aero interface, database filesystem, trusted computing it would have been a huge shift. Similarly if they had gone ahead with the user defined functions by example in Excel that would have been a major advance for spread sheets. I'm hoping they don't chicken out with Windows 8, and totally shifting to a vector graphics cross platform OS with legacy support.

    4. Re:Your side is obvious by hairyfish · · Score: 2

      Only Apple Haters care about Steve Jobs.

      I take it you never went to any Apple events while Jobs was alive then?

      The rest of us just like functional devices.

      Functional like, being able to add memory, replace your battery, choose your own apps, modify your device as you see fit etc? That type of functionality?

      The rest of us realize Jobs didn't really matter,

      Wow, even Apple most haters admit Steve Jobs was an exceptional person, just not a god that's all.

      except that he had a talent for creating teams with amazing people.

      Not to belittle that talent, but since his team is the reason Apple succeeds Apple will do fine without him.

      We'll have to agree to disagree with that. The Apple juggernaut has seen it's best days. The smart phone/tablet revolution has had it's best days, Apple led the charge, made a ton of cash, but consumers are fickle. When you replace your device every couple of years and have no driving reason to stick with a brand, people will buy whatever is latest or greatest. It only takes one missed product cycle and Apple will go down the toilet. I was out last night with a group of techy mates who all jumped on the iPhone band wagon a few years ago. Now they all have Androids because it does more and cost less, and doesn't break when you look at it sideways. I can't see how with Apple's restrictive environment can maintain enough innovation to stay competitive.

    5. Re:Your side is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only Apple Haters care about Steve Jobs.

      The rest of us just like functional devices.

      The rest of us realize Jobs didn't really matter, except that he had a talent for creating teams with amazing people.

      Not to belittle that talent, but since his team is the reason Apple succeeds Apple will do fine without him.

      John Sculley was the man who saved Apple from the excesses of Steve Jobs and set up the Apple is dearer because the user is worth it meme that still goes on to this day. When Sculley was kicked out Apple went down the route of failing again.

  15. It is all marketing by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a phone geek. The cell phone that I like the best. Actually the best cell phone ever made, in my opinion is the Nokia N9. Now dead, no longer made, it's corpse used to make shitty Lumia's. It could have been the 3rd leg in the cell phone triad.

    But, it isn't about technology. The people that buy cell phones aren't the real customers, but the companies that suck user information and sell it.

    The Nokia N9 is like the 2002 BMW E39 M5. the last of the great road cars where you could actually shift it, and trurning off the traction control really did just that.

    So, long Nokia. The N9 could have been a stellar hit.

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    1. Re:It is all marketing by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Bad car analogy (but great car that BMW)...I've been driving for 26 years, and have never owned an automatic, to include my two current BMWs (1-series, 3-series wagon). Are you suggesting BMW no longer makes manual transmissions, or BMW no longer makes great cars?

    2. Re:It is all marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting BMW no longer makes manual transmissions

      Correct - even "manual" BMWs are starting to use drive-by-wire gearshifting.

      Additionally their throttle have been DbW since 2001.

    3. Re:It is all marketing by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The Nokia N9 launched two days after MeeGo, the OS on which it ran, was officially canned. It was a technology with no future, which is why it failed. So, at least in the case you cited, I'd say it pretty definitively was about technology.

      Your followup about who the customer is does hold true in some cases, but not others. Apple makes its money on the hardware, not on "sucking user information and sell[ing] it". For all of their other faults, that's one thing that you can't really say about them.

      Also, the N9 remains in production today according to everything I saw online (and it's still outselling the Lumias, from what I can tell). And I noticed someone else is suggesting your car analogy is a poor one (I'm unqualified to say).

      Was anything you said correct?

    4. Re:It is all marketing by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      It failed less hard than the Lumia that's for sure.

    5. Re:It is all marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I myself had Iphone 3gs and iphone 4, but now i'm using old N900 from nokia. completely beats all androids and ios. No facebook-crap, just e-mail, spotify, gps and proper linux handheld machine.

    6. Re:It is all marketing by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Well for the car analogy you can still have an Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR that is manual shift and allows you to turn off the traction control for loads and loads of fun (I'd know, I drive one). So enjoy your M5 (i.e. N9) while I enjoy my Evo X (i.e. iPhone). :P

    7. Re:It is all marketing by fatphil · · Score: 1

      I'll see your n9 and raise you an n950. (But I, like all the n900 owners I know, am a keyboard fan.)

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    8. Re:It is all marketing by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

      I have an N900 as well. Along with an N800, and an N770.

      Actually, I just ordered another N9 ( 64 gb ) and Amazon for $456.00 to keep in the drawer because I am using my current N9 everyday ever since my Samsung Galaxy S II dropped while charging and poofed it's USB port.

      I also ordered one of the new Google 7" tablets so I can still be owned by them, just not on my phone.

      The N9 user interface could have been a real winner. Well, in the same way the Cro-Magnon could have been our ancestors.

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  16. Epilog: meteoric rush to the bottom by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Competition has a way of eroding fat margins. Just saying.

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  17. easy to answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Jobs sold his soul to become the biggest company ever to exist.... as well as giving a percentage of each of his users' souls... ... ... ...

  18. Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    Apple only has 30% of the Mobile OS market share compared to Android at 51%. If you want to go off a different graph Apple is at 29% so it's still pretty close despite two separate studies.

    Furthermore, the top mobile OEMs are Samsung and LG. Apple is bringing in a measly measly 14%. Yes, Apple took no time at all in getting profitable in the last five years, but that's in stark contrast to global market dominance where things aren't so hot for Apple. I know it's hard to fathom but the rest of the world (not the US) doesn't seem to prefer the Apple glitz.

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    1. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      That last graph includes non-smartphones. Apple is not in that market, never will be, and doesn't care about it.

      If Apple also made a non-smartphone then the metric might mean something (in terms of "it being not so hot for Apple" ), but the fact that they have chosen to concentrate on a small segment (by global phone use) standards, but one that is growing all the time, is the area you need to look. In that market they are competing well and doing quite nicely for themselves.

    2. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple only has 30% of the Mobile OS market share compared to Android at 51%. If you want to go off a different graph Apple is at 29% so it's still pretty close despite two separate studies.

      Furthermore, the top mobile OEMs are Samsung and LG. Apple is bringing in a measly measly 14%. Yes, Apple took no time at all in getting profitable in the last five years, but that's in stark contrast to global market dominance where things aren't so hot for Apple. I know it's hard to fathom but the rest of the world (not the US) doesn't seem to prefer the Apple glitz.

      You have a lemonade stand A on one corner making $20 a week, and a lemonade stand B at the opposite corner making $80 a week.
      Mentioning that A is pouring 2x - 6x as many glasses is just rubbing salt in the wound.

      A child running either stand gets a pat on the back and a "good job", but since you're old enough to know what a % is, you should know what failure smells like.

    3. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless, ya know, you count what actually matters... profit? Seriously, Apple is really making about 80% of the total profit in the Smartphone realm. App developers have also in large part found that iOS users vastly outspend their Android counterparts.

    4. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      Unless, ya know, you count what actually matters... profit?

      Now, you see, I wonder about this. Do you really care about how much a company profits?

      I agree with you that "total market share" becomes somewhat of a dick-measuring contest. But as a consumer, I don't really care how profitable the company is. Whether or not they sell a good product at a good price is my main concern. Since people like the toaster analogy to phones, I could not tell you about the profitability of Waring, Black & Decker, Hamilton-Beach, or Chefman. It doesn't figure into my analysis when I'm buying a toaster. Does it do what I want it to do at a price that I'm willing to pay? Will it look good in my kitchen? Those are the concerns I have when buying a toaster.

      As a developer, I'm not all that interested in Apple's "profit share," other than the standard "will they be around in 5 years?" I am interested in market share, but not necessarily over-all market share. If I'm developing educational software for pre-school children, I'd be interested in Apple's market share in those homes. If I'm developing accounting software suitable for medium-sized businesses (eg between 100 and 500 employees), I'd be interested in Apple's market share in that environment. To use that last example, Apple's market share isn't that big in that environment, so I probably wouldn't have much for sales.

      As an Apple Investor, hell, yeah, I'm interested in Apple's profit share. If I'm deciding whether or not to invest some of my money into Apple or HTC, I'd probably pick Apple. But all profit share means is that Apple makes more money than anyone else. I used to work for the #1 accounting software company--by revenue. That didn't mean we had the best product. It just meant we charged more than everybody else. Arguably, if Apple is making so much more money than everybody else, I'd have to wonder whether or not Apple's stuff is overpriced. A wise man once told me that, "Unless you're buying an Armani suit, never buy from a salesman wearing one." It means they make way too much money.

      App developers have also in large part found that iOS users vastly outspend their Android counterparts.

      The same has been true with Macs for quite some time--Mac users buy more software than PC users. Of course, 10% of 25,000,000 is still less than 2% of 250,000,000. I remember reading somewhere that 75% of Adobe's revenue comes from Windows users and 25% from Mac users. But, as a percentage, more Mac users paid Adobe for their applications than Windows users.

      This is part of the reason lots of Android software is ad-supported. I'm not sure I've ever seen a study of Ad-Supported versus Charging, though, which would be interesting. If I sell my game for 99 cents, how long would it take me to make 99 cents in advertising...

    5. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by cheesybagel · · Score: 1
      Apple manufactures next to nothing of their phones. They do industrial design and software work. All the hardware and assembly is done by contractors who will work for anyone who can pay for it. To me the alleged value of the company is highly inflated and completely inane but what to expect from a market where Facebook gets an overblown IPO?

      If Samsung and LG stopped manufacturing hardware Apple wouldn't have components to make a single phone. Screens, CPUs, DRAMs, Flash, you name it.

    6. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I know it's hard to fathom but the rest of the world (not the US) doesn't seem to prefer the Apple glitz.

      iPhone does excellent in European countries where the carriers subsidize phones. It does badly in countries which operate on a prepaid basis. I think it is fair to say that the rest of the world does prefer Apple glitz but might not be willing to pay what it costs. Your comment simply isn't accurate.

    7. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      Or to put it another way, you have 2 lemonade stands. One is selling only about 1/4 of the lemonade but making more money because the girl selling lemonade there has bigger tits, so she can make a bigger margin. The other 75% of customers just want high quality lemonade at a reasonable price.

      Now, Apple Fanbois, answer me this. If *you* don't work for Apple, why the fuck are you happy that they're making so much money of *YOU*?? They're selling inferior technology - and less of it - yet making more money?

      There's *only one way* that can happen and that's if the idiots buying it are willing to be over charged for it. AND YOU'RE PROUD OF THIS?!?!

      WHY?!?!?

    8. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Profit really isn't the priority unless you're a financial investor, and that kind of mentality can run a company into the ground.

      In fact, high profits in light of the fact that they're losing their technological edge and market share is a bad omen. Maybe they could do with a little price drop to keep customers, even if it means surrendering a little profit here and there.

    9. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just shut up and take my money!

    10. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Well the flash part they do own now as they recently made an acquisition in that field. However they "own" also the rest of the supply lines in the sense that they have exclusive (or close to it) contracts with manufacturers that they have pre-payed. A number of factories in the world have been built with Apple funding it close to 100% and getting an exclusive right for the production results. I think no supplier would want to screw them over as they fines are probably not describable in 7-8 figures.

      I guess if you consider the company value highly inflated, then you just don't know economics that much. The value in comparison to most companies is dead cheap. Based purely on cash flows and earnings you can assign a value to Apple and it's very reasonable and actually cheap for a company that keeps growing earnings in 80-100% range YoY every quarter. Apple also doesn't have any dept and has a shitload of cash that they can secure the supply line no matter what. At worst if they see some manufacturer start to screw them slowly they'll just invest into other companies to build alternate factories and let the original company take the hit of lost sales (Samsungs biggest client is Apple, losing that would hit them very very hard, possibly killing off also the smartphone business that might slightly be subsidized by the components business).

    11. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Lots of valid points. However here the percentage of profit does matter. In the case of Android you have ~50% market share and iOS gives you ~30% market share. Those numbers are very comparable as they differ only by about a factor of 1.6 (i.e. they are the same order of magnitude). This means that if Apple rakes in 80% of the smartphone profit and Android phones rake in 20%, then here it means that Apple is literally taking majority of the profit even though their market share is smaller slightly. Also for any particular model Apple owns the top 3 slots of model sales as is expected considering the market share is taken by just a few models while the competition is made up of hundreds of models by many manufacturers with varying quality and OS implementations.

      For a developer the iOS framework should be THE platform both for market penetration as well as unit sales (iPod touch goes there too) and the fact that the average iOS user is more likely to actually pay for applications unlike Android users (sorry, but Linux mentality and el cheapo phones target by default the people who don't want to pay for stuff). So if you are looking for a platform to earn money, then this is the platform. You may also branch out and do Android hoping that you can enhance sales, but it may well be that the support cost for keeping the software up to date will not be covered by the platform at all (and you'd need to support a lot wider plethora of devices/OS versions, in iOS case it's just 1-2 OS releases to target majority and only 1-2 devices).

      And the reason Apple has not reduced the price of iPhone is very simple. They don't need to. They have not reached supply-demand balance meaning they still sell every single phone that is produced as it leaves the factory assembly line. Also, they have made the great strategic move of transitioning the devices down the line to cheaper modes effectively targeting also those segments of sales without needing to set up separate manufacturing lines as those already existed for the phones when they came out. This method has been only in place for the past two years and we can assume Apple will keep doing it so that as a developer and a customer you'll get the benefit of the platform no matter what you purchase power.

      And of course as a consumer you should take note of the benefits as well. I think the one screaming difference is the battery power where an iPhone 4/4S will last 2-3 days while majority of Android based phones are hard pressed to last a day at decent usage. Then the usage experience must be good as well because Apple has the best user retention statistics (sorry couldn't find a newer plot). And the vertically integrated ecosystem with paying customers being able to watch movies across devices with seamless syncing etc etc does lock one into the ecosystem quite well and provides a plethora of options inside it that you don't even want to go looking outside the system as there's no other such integration there yet.

  19. didnt even have devkit the first 9 months by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember hackers jail breaking the thing to expose the underlying Mac UNIX. Opening it up to 3rd party developers was an uncertain but profitable move.

    1. Re:didnt even have devkit the first 9 months by Monkier · · Score: 1

      Anyone remember this? http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/11/apple-announces-third-party-software-details-for-iphone/

      Apple announce "You won't be able to write native apps, just do everything in a browser!". They must've known they were buidling at app store at that time!

  20. iOS6 is a renaissance by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    iOS 6 is a yawner

    Spoken like someone totally ignorant of details, or lacking in vision...

    iOS6 has such major, important updates for developers that going forward I will go with iOS6 support only as soon as it comes out, with no backwards support.

    Finally developers will be able to display anything on the built in maps framework, without any of the limits imposed by GOOGLE on how you can use maps.

    Also developers will be able to create regionally focused mapping applications that users can buy in the map itself! Android does not have nearly as open and extensible built in third-party map helper support - only what Google chooses to provide. Yes you can buy other mapping apps but you have to find them yourself, and determine if they will work where you are.

    Also iOS6 has an really advanced constrait based layout engine that goes way beyond a springs/struts model, or Android's Relative layout model. It makes support for proper internationalization trivial.

    Apple never needed Jobs mythical RDF, just great products... and Apple is continuing to provide that for users.

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  21. Really? Apple isn't on top by rujholla · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to ZDnet Samsung is ahead of apple in the smartphone market.

    Samsung’s success in the U.S. is both a blessing and a curse. It dominates the U.S. smartphone market, even outshining Apple’s iPhone. But delays, sales injunctions, and supply chain issues are hampering Samsung’s latest efforts to crank out its Galaxy S III smartphone to the market.

    Market research firm

    Samsung Electronics' Galaxy series has overtaken Apple's iPhone as the number-one individual smartphone sub-brand in the world.
    According to a report published by American market research firm Strategy Analystics in the first half of the year, Samsung sold 41-million units of its Galaxy series, which comprised 28 percent of the global smartphone market.
    Apple was close behind, selling 35-million units of the iPhone and taking up 24 percent of the market share.
    Research in Motion's Curve was the third-largest smartphone brand, but it only accounted for FOUR percent of the market.
    The report said Samsung and Apple are "clear leaders," since they make up over half of the global smartphone market combined.

  22. Meteoric? by andyring · · Score: 0

    I've never understood the media's obsession with using "meteoric" entirely backwards. A meteor is FALLING and BURNING UP. That's not what is happening to Apple.

  23. The problem is spelling by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Most people can't figure out how to spell "Phoenixian".

    And even when they can how many would understand what it meant?

    Everyone knows of the fiery path of the meteor, even if as you say it's going the wrong way for what they are trying to imply.

    --
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  24. Re:Really? Apple is on top by MikeMo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary says correctly that Apple makes 80% of the profits, not 80% of the phones. Samsung appears to be shipping the most phones, although the only numbers available are estimates of SHIPPED phones, not phones sold to consumers. For some reason, Samsung refuses to release any numbers at all.

  25. You are perfectely right by aepervius · · Score: 1

    And indeed the reason for why it is better to cocnentrate and swallow the private amrket is simple. Mostly, enterprise are cheapstake. They will buy the cheapest hardware for the job, make various hardware go in concurrence, and drop any fidelity to a mark for 10% discount. Margin are razor thin when it comes for the bulk of enterprise hardware. Sure there is the crackberry for some manager, but let us get realitst, most enterprise have 20+ worker with dumb phone and dumb PC for 1 crackberry and 1 SSD laptop shiny.

    On the other hand we have the consummer market with shiny toy for the one "in", the hippster and so forth. With consumer friendly usage. And they sell like hotcake at a premium price, BECAUSE the market is willing to bear that pricwe.


    Enterprise buy in bulk but are cheapo. Consumer buy in single quanity, but you can sell them hot expansive device with Facebook itnegration for 500+$. The choice is easy and apple made the right one.

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  26. Re:Really? Apple is on top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You also have to factor the profit margin for the iPhones vs. every other phone that doesn't have the heavily apple sided contracts with carriers.

  27. Yes it does! by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    make decisions independent of the mobile operators.

    This is only relevant is the USA, it does not explain anything about the rest of the globe.

    Excuse me, have you tried phones across the rest of the globe?

    I've bought smartphones outside of the U.S... what a nightmare. Oh, your phone is region locked sir even if I try to buy a sim from the same company in another country! The phone itself riddled with carrier specific crap.

    No, the iPhone lack of carrier control perfectly explains success, even in other countries. Apple can control what the user sees when they first use the phone, and since the carriers appear to lack any common sense whatsoever and want to brand the hell out of everything, it's no surprise the iPhone does well in any country.

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    1. Re:Yes it does! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just curious... in what countries did you buy your phone. I thought most weren't tried to any carrier. The phones are independent of the carrier.

    2. Re:Yes it does! by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Huh? If you buy your phone on a contract, from a carrier, then yes, it might be locked. But if you just buy the phone, by itself, they aren't locked in most markets (how could they be, when obviously they have no clue what carrier you're planning to use them on?).

      Or to put it another way, there's no difference between me walking out the door right now and buying, say, a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone. In both cases, I walk into a store (Apple Store for the iPhone, other generic phone/electronics store for anything else), buy it, go home and pop my SIM card in it, done. No carriers involved. Or just purchase from a website and have it delivered (even nicer, though the Apple Online Store takes a while to ship since they actually send your stuff directly from manufacturer in Shenzhen)

      Having said that, I'm just nitpicking over the anecdote you told. I agree with your core point that, for the segment of the market that does buy phones on a carrier contract, not having carrier-specific crud all over the phone is a key advantage of the iPhone over the others. (This was particularly egregious back in the feature-phone days ... had some truly awful and buggy carrier-specific stuff on some of those!)

  28. Re:Really? Apple is on top by MikeMo · · Score: 2

    I think Apple's large margin on the iPhone comes from multiple things: 1) There are no "BOGO" offers for iPhones. Period. 2) According to reports, they buy larger quantities and pay ahead on so much that they get better prices than anyone else. 3) They are leveraging parts across multiple devices. For example, the A5 appears in both iPads and iPhones. 4) As demonstrated by Sprint's experience, an iPhone is required in order to be a successful carrier today, at least in the U.S. I'm sure that does allow Apple to charge the carriers more for their phones that others are able to do, at least on average.

  29. The next iteration of the smartphone by dumcob · · Score: 2

    Just guessing what comes next...maybe the hardware of the nexus 7 shrinks down to the size of a usb stick, and can be plugged into screens of any size (phone/tablet/monitor/tv/google glasses) that have their own power supply, similar to what ASUS has attempted with padfone, but a couple iterations further down where the OS dynamically adjusts to whatever display the device is plugged into. I have a desktop at work 2 laptops and a phone. Would love to just shrink all that into a little keychain.

  30. It's not all marketing by jimicus · · Score: 2

    Okay, so you're a cellphone geek? Good for you.

    But the truth is that the vast majority of people don't care that much about a great big feature list. They care about "will this make me happier?" - emotional benefits, if you like.

    The iPhone is regularly advertised with video chat to the hypothetical user's nearest and dearest. That's a great emotional-benefit type feature.

    1. Re:It's not all marketing by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

      The N9 has Google Chat ( Video ) built into the core. It's not Meego, it is still Maemo. They call it Meego but it's not. If you used one you would understand.

      It is dead because Steven Elop killed it. How embarrassing to have a phone vastly superior to the Windows thing.

      BMW still makes fine cars, but they all have insurance company mandated nanny stuff. I had an 02 M5. It was awesome.

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    2. Re:It's not all marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That IS marketing, at its 'finest'.

  31. Not uncertain at all. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Opening it up to 3rd party developers was an uncertain but profitable move.

    It was not uncertain at all; I have been programming on iOS since the day the SDK was released. The sheer volume of documentation ready at that point pointed to that having been a choice made probably even before release of the iPhone... they probably wanted to wait to shake out the initial API's before public consumption.

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  32. Western Bias by retroworks · · Score: 2

    Only 2 vendors making money? PLEASE. The article trots out has-beens like aging NBA basketball players, but doesn't mention Han Hoi Precision, HTC, or any of the hundreds of fast growing Android-clone manufacturers. 30 companies on 3 continents cooperated to make the IPhone. I like Apple, but I admire how IBM gave Lenovo credit compared to how Apple shares the credit with the geeks of color in Asia who made this generation of touchscreen phones affordable, scaleable, and possible.

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  33. Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all along by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Jobs didn't want third-party code on the iPhone

    This is false. The volume of documentation and the quality of it demonstrated Apple had planned for 3rd party app development all along... They just delayed initial access to shake out the API's before the public had access to them.

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  34. Re:Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all alon by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

    It wouldn't be the first time that somebody in Apple went and did something behind Jobs' back anticipating a change of heart. The story of the Sony/Alps situation for the original Mac floppy drive is probably the most famous example.

    Jobs loved the new Sony 3.5" floppy drive format, and decided seven months before the Mac was supposed to ship that he wanted to use it... and he wanted that to happen via an Apple/Alps developed-from-scratch clone. The team thought this was insane, so while grudgingly going through the motions with Alps, they secretly continued working on integrating the Sony drive. They kept all the meetings/negotiations/hardware secret from Jobs, to the extent that they would hide the Sony engineer visiting Cupertino in a closet whenever Jobs was nearby. This obviously greatly confused the Sony engineer, but he went along with it.

    Later, when Alps told Apple that they needed eighteen months to get the thing ready, the team revealed to Jobs that they had gone behind his back and kept the Sony deal alive, and he ended up thanking them for their little rebellion.

    I'm not saying that this is the same situation here, only that what Jobs was convinced was the right approach and what the Apple engineers working on the internal SDK were convinced was the right approach may not have aligned. It's pretty well documented from multiple sources internal to Apple that Jobs was obstinately refusing to consider third-party apps. He didn't want other people messing with his perfection, and he didn't think his team had the bandwidth to figure out how to make it work (in terms of reliability and integration) on top of their existing workload.

  35. Re:Why do you want a device that needs coddling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only Crapple faggots are stupid enough to believe a drawback is a feature.

  36. Re:Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all alon by jcr · · Score: 2

    The volume of documentation and the quality of it demonstrated Apple had planned for 3rd party app development all along...

    Kudos to the tech pubs team at Apple, but I'm afraid you're mistaken. At launch time, there was no intention to allow third-party apps on the phone. It took quite a lot of convincing to get SJ to allow it.

    -jcr

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  37. Re:Really? Apple is on top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would not be shipping if there was no demand or do you not understand the concept of supply/demand based economics.

    Samsung may not be able to know each and every activation like Apple, but they do know that wholesalers are ordering them because retailers are demanding them because consumers are buying them and the shelves are out and need more.

    They may not get the sales direct from the consumer or know of the activation but they got the money before the consumer even bought it from the distributors.

    If they didn't sell to consumers the retailers (depending on the contracts) would be eating the cost, not Samsung, Just ask about all the WM phones sitting on the shelves nobody is buying but MS/Nokia still got paid.

  38. Without all that browser crust... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  39. bye bye Galaxy Nexus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you make an ice cream sandwich crumble?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/29/us-apple-samsung-idUSBRE85S1J320120629

    Guess what's next?

    1. Re:bye bye Galaxy Nexus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's next is like what happened in Australia and Europe, Apple loses.

      * Oh wait it is after all America's turn, so who the fuck knows what's going to happen.

  40. Re:Really? Apple is on top by MikeMo · · Score: 1

    Apparently, you've never heard of channel stuffing. No one is claiming they're not selling a lot of phones, only that they might not be selling quite as many as the ESTIMATES imply.

  41. Re:Really? Apple is on top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which brings me to one of my biggest gripes about Apple-- their prices are wayyyyy too high, but the biggest gripe of all? Hipsters in their 7th year of college, with rich parents, sipping overpriced coffee at Starbucks, animatedly discussing whether Yngwie Malmsteen has sold out to the Establishment, and marching at every Occupy rally; those are the target demographic.

  42. Re:Really? Apple is on top by cheesybagel · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    You really don't get it do you? Samsung sold more Galaxy phones so clearly they manufacture even larger quantities. They are also a vertically integrated company so you can be damned sure they are able the eek more margins than others can. In fact Apple is one of their clients... Samsung also uses the same CPUs on their phones and tablets (which have been embargoed in the US by a court case with Apple). Samsung manufactures the A5 CPU for Apple as well. Only an idiot would bet on Apple winning on a battle like this. Samsung is the world's largest electronics manufacturer encompassing just about every single piece of hardware required to manufacture a phone. They are the world's leading DRAM, Flash, Display manufacturer.

  43. Re:Really? Apple is on top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's margins are much higher than other companies but their company expenditure shit and stuff all gets spent on R&D. If they cleaned up their books to reflect say Google's they would be killer in the market.

  44. Re:Really? Apple is on top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summary says correctly that Apple makes 80% of the profits, not 80% of the phones. Samsung appears to be shipping the most phones, although the only numbers available are estimates of SHIPPED phones, not phones sold to consumers. For some reason, Samsung refuses to release any numbers at all.

    What Cupertino, CA based firm does that remind you of?

  45. But here's the question by cundare · · Score: 1

    iPhone sales figures & market share are frequently presented as indicators of the company's success. But it's harder to find stats that correlate iPhone sales to those of the iPod. It's an interesting question: To what extent did the iPhone simply cannibalize the iPod and shift customers from one Apple product line to another? Does anybody have a source for how the sum of iPod & iPhone unit sales have trended over the last five years? Making conclusory statements about Apple that consider only iPhone shipments is a bit like citing the rise in Blu-ray shipments (ignoring a complementary drop in DVD sales) to make the case that disc-based content distribution is thriving.

  46. Re:Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all alon by Branciforte · · Score: 1

    I'm picturing the situation where Steve Jobs opens a supply closet and a startled asian Sony engineer yells, "supplies!"

  47. I have a Mr. Netcraft on line 1... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

    ...he says the Grim Reaper will be there between 9 and 3 tomorrow.

  48. This is about patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple "rises" because every other manufacturer is hamstrung by patents...witness latest with Samsung.