Do they give all the money up front or do they pay later? If the latter, what's stopping DARPA from refusing to pay at the end?
Why should it matter, if DARPA could not Coop Theo, they could just get the code and hire thier own "hackers" to modify it to thier own desires.
DARPA is a research oriented group, they are paying to continue the research and development of openBSD to keep thier (the DODs) options open. Not that the DOD is going to see the light any time soon and get off the MS software nipple.
That was my point. The license is, for the most part, the GPL. The GPL explicitly permits redistribution.
Ahhh, Yes, I see, I agree with you there. GPL means you can redistribute if you so desire.
On another note, I buy support from RedHat for about 12 mahcines. $5/mo per machine is a really good deal if you ask me. So I don't buy the "RedHat is screwing the regular guy" screeds. I'm quite happy with their service. I run about 40 or so systems with RedHat. They make a good product, and let you use it for free if you wish.
disclaimer: I don't work for RedHat, but I am avaiable:-)
Are you telling me that I should ignore the text of the license and listen to a set of societal norms you're attempting to invent? Where would we be if everybody did that with the first ammendment?
I would not recomend that anyone not adhear to a license.
Perhaps I'm misinformed, but does RedHat restrict you from redistributing thier ISO image? As far as I know you can freely redistribute them.
Correct me if I've got the facts wrong. But it sounds to me like a week long wait is not really long, and that this announcement in Slashdot is not really ethical...
Once you have the bits they are yours to do with as you please.
I'll bet that RedHat is offering the pre-access to the bits for the subscribers so that they can actually get the bits before thier servers are/.ed from the unwashed masses.
And I would bet that RedHat is happy to off-load the downloading to something like BT. It just makes thier bandwidth usage go down, and most likley the people sharing the bits were not going to buy support anyway.
So what's the secret? Just being a superior human type or something?
I'm not hitting up HR people for a job, and right now HR people see employees as evil. I'm a quick and dirty project person. I solve your problems and go away. What most people (HR and managment types that is) don't realize is that the problems never go away, so they keep calling me back to work on new things.
Haveing a good network of friends , working hard, solving problems, and having a wide skill set all help a lot too.
I was let go 3.5 years ago from my last full time job. I came home early one evening, and my wife asked what was wrong. I told her I was let go. She asked if it was a good thing or a bad thing. I said good:-) I had my first contract in 2 weeks, and have not lacked work since. The irony is that I do a lot of work for my previous employer, at a much higer rate.
I'm still hearing about layoffs, about the horrible time people are having in trying to locate a job.
As a contractor I have never been so busy in my life... There is work out there, just not long term, stable, live on the teat of a big company kind of work...
The truth will come out sooner or later, and eventually some one will put it into a coherent package. Don't look for it on live television...
Yeah, the History channel will do a 5 hour special on it in 2 or 3 years and describe each troop movement in agonizing detail. If only a few Americans (strike that, coalition troops) get killed in battle (we can only hope) there will be extensive biographys of each one to boot.
Linksys makes a good product that sells very well in it's market.
Tell that to DEC after Compaq evisrated thier good product line. Then tell that to HP after they did the same thing to Compaq.
Cisco definitly sees this as a stategic buy, but that does not mean they will screw it up, or that they are not going purposly kill off thier product line.
There are a other vendors out their for this type of product, but Cisco grabbed the biggest. Of course they want to stear buisness thier way. But they may not be doing it the way that would make sence to us (the general geek public). They could end up killing LinkSys off since they are the largest name out there, and drive more biz to thier brand (which is more expensive).
The law of supply and demand works here, they are just removing some of the supply.
Cisco does not like the cheaper alternative because it will find its way into bigger buisness frm the SOHO market. I use these products all the time for my clients. Most of my clients have no need for cisco brands when a linksys will do quite nicely thank you very much. Cisco is threatened by this. I do not want to pay a premium for a brand name widget when I can get two cheaper widgets for the same cost. If one widget fails I use the other and I'm still a head of the game.
Yup, Cisco is in the money making biz, so "Why would csco break a money making machine that works well"? They want to redirect the linksys biz to thier brand which will increase market share. And as a bonus they can charge more for thier brand. They could care less if the customers get the same value for thier money, they just want the money. Thats why.
I like LinkSys products because they are functional and cheap. Ciscos products are functional, robust but not cheap. I guess Cisco is getting scared of the competition, and decided to crush them...
As far as I understand, to keepd data on the network all you need to do is store a copy of all files locally. Basically you need to provide a web-hosting, but without worrying about traffic. If demand is high, data is moved from you and closer to the users.
This is not quite correct. You can insert the data into freenet, but once you insert the data it may or may not stay on your machine. This is one aspect of how you guarantee anonymity. If no one (other nodes) requests your data, or other data is inserted and is more popular, your data could get dropped.
So, to counter act the possible loss of data, you need to periodically reinsert the data into freenet to make sure that it is available. Of course this does not guarantee that the data is available to all freenet users, it just increases the possibility that it is available.
Central Control may have killed napster.
But they'll never get moose and squirrel!
Moose: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabit outta my hat."
Squirrel: "That trick never works!"
Lion: "Roar!"
Moose: "Ooohg, Don't know my own strenth."
Squirrel: "And now here's something you'll really like."
So, they store the files on the server?
How dumb. That killed napster, you know?
I hope your kidding. Central control killed napster. There was only one switch that needed to be turned off, and the RIAA went after that one switch. With Freenet storage is totaly distributed, there is not one place that you can turn the switch off. And that is the point. No one organization can control it.
Dude, you don't need flashy hardware to run Freenet... Here are the specs on a a simple system I have running freenet
[freenet@freenet freenet]$ cat/proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 4
model name : Pentium MMX
stepping : 4
cpu MHz : 200.456 ...
This is an old system that I had lying around doing nothing. All I contribute is the power to run it and a little BW. The lack of power of the processor self throttles the bandwidth:-)
That is a nice idea, as long as you have some one willing to put forth the resources for continious reinserts of the data.
Freenets model is that data is transient. If some data is not used frequently, or used widely, it gets dropped eventualy. To insure avaiablilty you would need to constantly reinsert the data. Running a freenet node and inserting large quantities of data are two different things.
I run a node, because I can, and there is little effort involved in keeping it up and running. The quality of the software has improved dramaticaly. For a while it was a pain to run due to the java VMs sucking up all avaiable ram and frequent crashes. Now I check that is is running once every few days or so.
If more people start to setup nodes, and the software is idiot proof, this thing could take off.
It had gotten so bad that I had to take the nazi-sysadmin route, upgrade them to Win2K
In my house my wife and kids each have thier own PCs, and they all run win2k. They do not have the admin password.
I had to reinstall systems so many times because of various downloed viruses and what not I had to put and end to it. It was not nessasraly my immediate family either. Friends, and other family members would use the kids machines (they are in open/public areas so as to be supervised while in use). The various people would have no compuntion about install anything and everything they could get thier hands on so they could "just play a game" or some other inane thing.
I am the network Nazi now. I control the machines or it does not get on my in house network.
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Once, my Mom called to complain that every time her little space heater kicked on her computer when off and there was a loud beeeeeep from the UPS. My current boss at the time over heard me say "Mom you cannot plug the space heater in to the UPS, you have to plug it into the wall". At whcih point my boss Dropped and ROTFL. Mom wanted to know what all the comotion was about...
To this day I inisit that VNC be installed on any system that I _might_ be requested to provide tech support on. Most relatives have a linksys firewall for thier cable modems, so getting to thier machines is pretty easy. My mom lives on the west coast and I'm on the east coast, so suuport has to be done remotly.
I think everyone does. It's just some people realize that green pieces of paper aren't the only form of acceptable pay.(Karma anyone?)
Ok, I was just using 'payment' in the strict sence of the word. Most People do derive something out of thier work: cash, kudos, karma, warm-fuzzies, or whatever.
Everyone wants to get paid for their work and this looks like the next logical step in the process.
Everyone? I think that is a little broad, not _everyone_ is interested in getting paid for work. There are plenty of volunteers out there. I would agree that many, or the majority of people want to get paid for thier work, but there is a significant number of developers that just like the warm fuzzy of putting out a good product that the public can make use of.
True, but for the vast majority of IT managers and staff too, the source code being available to them is utterly irrelevant.
I agree, but _when_ they finaly realize that thier nuts are not being squeezed in a vice (in terms of licensing and vendor lock in) because RedHat _does_ deliver the source code, the light bulbs might light up over thier collective heads...
The more savvy CIOs realize this already. They could care less about havivg the source code, but what it does is raise the bar for vendors in terms of empowering the client. They have the source, they could theoreticaly take thier buisness elsewhere, which means that the vendor has to keep doing a better job.
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Why should it matter, if DARPA could not Coop Theo, they could just get the code and hire thier own "hackers" to modify it to thier own desires.
DARPA is a research oriented group, they are paying to continue the research and development of openBSD to keep thier (the DODs) options open. Not that the DOD is going to see the light any time soon and get off the MS software nipple.
Me too, but my wife would not appreciate it as much as I would! So I'll stick to brewing it myself...
Add some beer or whisky, and you get "natual gas" under high pressure...
*bada ching!* I'm here all week, and watch the open flames.
Ahhh, Yes, I see, I agree with you there. GPL means you can redistribute if you so desire.
On another note, I buy support from RedHat for about 12 mahcines. $5/mo per machine is a really good deal if you ask me. So I don't buy the "RedHat is screwing the regular guy" screeds. I'm quite happy with their service. I run about 40 or so systems with RedHat. They make a good product, and let you use it for free if you wish.
disclaimer: I don't work for RedHat, but I am avaiable :-)
I would not recomend that anyone not adhear to a license.
Perhaps I'm misinformed, but does RedHat restrict you from redistributing thier ISO image? As far as I know you can freely redistribute them.
Once you have the bits they are yours to do with as you please.
I'll bet that RedHat is offering the pre-access to the bits for the subscribers so that they can actually get the bits before thier servers are /.ed from the unwashed masses.
And I would bet that RedHat is happy to off-load the downloading to something like BT. It just makes thier bandwidth usage go down, and most likley the people sharing the bits were not going to buy support anyway.
Toto, I don't think we are using non-biodegradable power sources anymore....
I'm not hitting up HR people for a job, and right now HR people see employees as evil. I'm a quick and dirty project person. I solve your problems and go away. What most people (HR and managment types that is) don't realize is that the problems never go away, so they keep calling me back to work on new things.
Haveing a good network of friends , working hard, solving problems, and having a wide skill set all help a lot too.
I was let go 3.5 years ago from my last full time job. I came home early one evening, and my wife asked what was wrong. I told her I was let go. She asked if it was a good thing or a bad thing. I said good :-) I had my first contract in 2 weeks, and have not lacked work since. The irony is that I do a lot of work for my previous employer, at a much higer rate.
As a contractor I have never been so busy in my life... There is work out there, just not long term, stable, live on the teat of a big company kind of work...
Yeah, the History channel will do a 5 hour special on it in 2 or 3 years and describe each troop movement in agonizing detail. If only a few Americans (strike that, coalition troops) get killed in battle (we can only hope) there will be extensive biographys of each one to boot.
Well your opinion is still welcome, thanks. And I hope you are right about how LinkSys will be delt with. I like thier products.
Cisco definitly sees this as a stategic buy, but that does not mean they will screw it up, or that they are not going purposly kill off thier product line.
There are a other vendors out their for this type of product, but Cisco grabbed the biggest. Of course they want to stear buisness thier way. But they may not be doing it the way that would make sence to us (the general geek public). They could end up killing LinkSys off since they are the largest name out there, and drive more biz to thier brand (which is more expensive).
The law of supply and demand works here, they are just removing some of the supply.
Cisco does not like the cheaper alternative because it will find its way into bigger buisness frm the SOHO market. I use these products all the time for my clients. Most of my clients have no need for cisco brands when a linksys will do quite nicely thank you very much. Cisco is threatened by this. I do not want to pay a premium for a brand name widget when I can get two cheaper widgets for the same cost. If one widget fails I use the other and I'm still a head of the game.
Yup, Cisco is in the money making biz, so "Why would csco break a money making machine that works well"? They want to redirect the linksys biz to thier brand which will increase market share. And as a bonus they can charge more for thier brand. They could care less if the customers get the same value for thier money, they just want the money. Thats why.
I guess I will be buying D-Link from now on...
I like LinkSys products because they are functional and cheap. Ciscos products are functional, robust but not cheap. I guess Cisco is getting scared of the competition, and decided to crush them...
This is not quite correct. You can insert the data into freenet, but once you insert the data it may or may not stay on your machine. This is one aspect of how you guarantee anonymity. If no one (other nodes) requests your data, or other data is inserted and is more popular, your data could get dropped.
So, to counter act the possible loss of data, you need to periodically reinsert the data into freenet to make sure that it is available. Of course this does not guarantee that the data is available to all freenet users, it just increases the possibility that it is available.
The trade off is anonymity vs. availability.
But they'll never get moose and squirrel!
Moose: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabit outta my hat."
Squirrel: "That trick never works!"
Lion: "Roar!"
Moose: "Ooohg, Don't know my own strenth."
Squirrel: "And now here's something you'll really like."
I hope your kidding. Central control killed napster. There was only one switch that needed to be turned off, and the RIAA went after that one switch. With Freenet storage is totaly distributed, there is not one place that you can turn the switch off. And that is the point. No one organization can control it.
[freenet@freenet freenet]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
...
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5 model : 4
model name : Pentium MMX
stepping : 4
cpu MHz : 200.456
This is an old system that I had lying around doing nothing. All I contribute is the power to run it and a little BW. The lack of power of the processor self throttles the bandwidth :-)
Freenets model is that data is transient. If some data is not used frequently, or used widely, it gets dropped eventualy. To insure avaiablilty you would need to constantly reinsert the data. Running a freenet node and inserting large quantities of data are two different things.
I run a node, because I can, and there is little effort involved in keeping it up and running. The quality of the software has improved dramaticaly. For a while it was a pain to run due to the java VMs sucking up all avaiable ram and frequent crashes. Now I check that is is running once every few days or so.
If more people start to setup nodes, and the software is idiot proof, this thing could take off.
In my house my wife and kids each have thier own PCs, and they all run win2k. They do not have the admin password.
I had to reinstall systems so many times because of various downloed viruses and what not I had to put and end to it. It was not nessasraly my immediate family either. Friends, and other family members would use the kids machines (they are in open/public areas so as to be supervised while in use). The various people would have no compuntion about install anything and everything they could get thier hands on so they could "just play a game" or some other inane thing.
I am the network Nazi now. I control the machines or it does not get on my in house network.
To this day I inisit that VNC be installed on any system that I _might_ be requested to provide tech support on. Most relatives have a linksys firewall for thier cable modems, so getting to thier machines is pretty easy. My mom lives on the west coast and I'm on the east coast, so suuport has to be done remotly.
Ok, I was just using 'payment' in the strict sence of the word. Most People do derive something out of thier work: cash, kudos, karma, warm-fuzzies, or whatever.
Everyone? I think that is a little broad, not _everyone_ is interested in getting paid for work. There are plenty of volunteers out there. I would agree that many, or the majority of people want to get paid for thier work, but there is a significant number of developers that just like the warm fuzzy of putting out a good product that the public can make use of.
I agree, but _when_ they finaly realize that thier nuts are not being squeezed in a vice (in terms of licensing and vendor lock in) because RedHat _does_ deliver the source code, the light bulbs might light up over thier collective heads...
The more savvy CIOs realize this already. They could care less about havivg the source code, but what it does is raise the bar for vendors in terms of empowering the client. They have the source, they could theoreticaly take thier buisness elsewhere, which means that the vendor has to keep doing a better job.
It is free markets baby!
The source code too... that is where the real power is at.