Red Hat's administration software is probably superior to Novell's, and I find SuSE lacking in some areas, but regardless... if Novell keeps performing how they have been for the past 3 to 5 quarters, in say 5 years there will be no more Novell. Novell is a highly mismanaged company, literally riddled with problems. The investors of Novell are pretty much demanding a revamp in management and there has been speculation that a bigger fish might wind up just buying Novell.
If Novell finds that linux isn't making the money its supposed to be, they'll sell off the Suse division and move into the next big tech area like they've done so many times before. In case you haven't noticed, not much has gotten better in SuSE since Novell bought it, they are still riding out the benefits from the previous owners (with the exception of a few things Nat has worked on). This is probably one of the reasons that (according to netcraft) Fedora overtook the number of SuSE servers in only a little over a year or so and now is only rivaled by Debian and its bigger brother RHEL (just in case you were wondering, desptie the increase of Fedora use, there was not a symmetric decrease from RHEL, i.e. it wasn't just people switching from RHEL to Fedora).
Anyway, moral of the story is that they are buying OSS from a financially unstable company likely to make a rash decision in the near future, which will only lead to a larger perception that OSS companies are fragmented and can't support their products, or some other nonsense for the MS FUD machine. Regards, Steve
Just a quick side note, I think if you and the other editors participated more in the discussion, you would receive less criticism and seem more "part of the crowd" rather than above and beyond as some posters like to make you seem. It would be good to see someone such as yourself bicker back and forth with someone on the merits of say running a large clustered site or if a game is worth playing. Flame on!:-) Excellent essay by the way, its important that issues like these are verbalized so innocent gamers can see the problem is on a larger scale than just them being personally targeted and unable to do anything about it. Regardless of what others are posting, I think this was a responsible use of your position and abilities (the site is after all *yours*). Regards, Steve
I second this parent post. GFS is exactly what he wants, although I've never used it in the 1 PB range, I can vouch for it working excellent with TBs. Regards, Steve
There are already quite a few shells in unix that follow a similar paradigm. Python's default shell comes pretty close, but there are off shoots of it that provide functionality designed to be used as a command shell. MSH is pretty much an interactive ruby shell or python shell designed to run regular commands and treat files like objects (which is as simple as defining a class that can interpret the file information and give it methods like.get_extension) The real key here is that I belive everything is treated as an object. With minor modifications to the python shell and maybe an additional class or two you would have the exact same functionality. You see... there is a reason though that noone has done this. System administrators should not have to learn the concepts of object orientation just to do their job. They are not programmers. Its bad enough when programmers design GUIs because they cater to programmers and not typical users. Monad caters to programmers and not system administrators. Most unix sys admin I know do know how to script in something like perl or python, but most windows admin are point and click or they can type a few commands into a file and rename it to.bat to run it. The monad shell has some great ideas for a shell used by and for programmers, but honestly it isn't a sys admins job to understand programming or programming paradigms. Let admins use simple bash like commands, even if it may not be the cleanest way, conceptually it is often easier, and let programmers script their way out of any hole they want. Regards, Steve
Because if you're valuable to the company then they will want to keep you , thats the whole idea. You have to continuosly improve yourself or prove that you add value to the company. I personally always get any NDAs or NCAs modified or not signed, they are for the companies protection but I make it blatantly clear that I won't sign anything that affects non-working hours and so far every company has wanted me enough that they're willing to over look that. This is from some major companies too, most notably a particular defense contractor. Maybe people should just stop accepting those conditions or add enough value to themselve that they can negotiate terms and get pay that more than covers the rent. Essentially our system makes you compete for your job, but also makes companies compete to keep you, and if you son't like it, there are plenty of government jobs. Regards, Steve
Businesses need reasons to innovate, they need motivation. In this case it is money. Other countries have plenty of their own problems, the U.S. is just publicized more because its the popular thing to do. In countried without IP protection, they are too busy stealing each other's ideas. Not to mention that if you want to implement something without running into a patent, it usually makes you think of a whole new way of implementing it, thus forcing innovation. Competition is what drives innovation, this is a big race. This and some other employment laws benefit the U.S. greatly, most notably being able to fire someone for any reason you deem necessary... in many other countries, even IP enforcing ones, innovation is severely hampered by companies having to hold on to employees that are useless and drain their money because they can't legally be fired. Patents aren't allows positive, but I personally think that software patents aren't all bad, they need to be better evaluated but if something is non-trivial and required significant amounts of research to discover, you should be able to benefit from it. A few examples off the top of my head that forced innovation because of patents include IBM having a patent on Arithmetic Encoding so Range Encoding was created, GIF was patented so the superior PNG was created, and MP3 is burdened with patents so many other superior formats have been released including Ogg Vorbis. Regards, Steve
All of what you said may or may not be true, but regardless, Novell is a highly mismanaged company. Most investors are jumping ship until Novell revamps. They've consistenly been severly underperforming for quite a few quarters now. I wouldn't be surprised if Novell jumped ship on the Linux train and sold Suse off. Novell is just testing the linux waters, if it turns out not to be as good as they thought, they will simply move on to the next thing as they've always done. Anyway, in the next few months expect more than just layoffs, investors are nearly demanding a change in management and demanding the Novell focus more on getting a stronghold in at least one market, either that or a bigger fish will buy them. Regards, Steve
It doesn't matter. This is a geek site for geeks. Whether proprietary or open source, its still geek news. People are acting like its a big deal that you submitted a story about a company that you work for (nice article btw about DX10), and its not a big deal, I hope you don't stop simply because a few people on slashdot are making some noise. Regards, Steve
What do we know? It is a good board, hell one of the guys on the board wrote the original gnu c++ compiler. Red Hat is a pretty solid company through and through and is more devoted to OSS than any company I know, and by a pretty wide margin. Regard, Steve
I'm commenting again, just to clarify. There is no SEC investigation, he is not selling his stock (he couldn't even if wanted to do to contractual obligations), Bob Young is a good leader who only recently has become too busy to fulfill his duties but has a history of being very interactive with the company. Anyone who knows Bob Young knows that he is nothing like a used car salesman, he's a very nice and intelligent man, he gave Linus 12 million dollars in stock to show appreciation (yes, Linus is a millionaire). He really believes in open values. He wants software to be free and he wants people to be able to publish their books without having to deal with publishers which tend to take most of the profit. He is the founder of Lulu which allows anyone to sell their own books. Here is a book that he wrote and gives away for free, it is about how open source businesses are viable and locking people into things is not the only way to make profit. It is a shame that some troll is spreading misinformation about a guy who has done so much good. One other thing that gives huge credibility to Red Hat's potential is that Dell invested 100 million in them, and Michael Dell doesn't screw around with his money. Regards, Steve
Yea, The Onion is worse than any of those horrendous web portals I remember from back in the day. You're eyes have to scan the entire page to figure out where content is. You've got to do too much reading just to figure out what is worth reading and what isn't. On slashdot it is simple, right in the middle of the page is the blurb followed by a link to comment, there may also be links in the blurb. Even better, you are given a concise title that lets you know if the blurb is worth reading. Your focus is kept on th center, it is where the meat of the site is, one quick scan down the titles on the page and you can decide what is worth following up on, the titles are clearly marked as well. On the onion, the site is literally plastered with sections just full of links, crammed into small spaces, horrible placement, seemingly random, and little to no description. But in all honesty, the guy who wrote this story doesn't have an impressive site either, it looks like some amateur web design is getting to big for his britches. Regards, Steve
Most universities, many companies, and most major ISPs already use IPv6 with a v4 tunnel in the U.S. If you're talking about going cold turkey, its different, but quite a lot of the US already uses IPv6, even if most consumers don't realize it. Internet2 is also entirely IPv6 and it is a very large scale network all across the United States. U.S. hosted websites get something like 65% of web traffic, Europe isn't just going to cut itself off, not too mention that dropping IPv4 will break many devices and software. If Europe did ever get to a point like that, it'd still take years before all the nations agreed on anything, and then all the citizens can enjoy their international tax on their censored internet that is shattered and needs to be rebuilt because most major e-commerce is either through a company in the U.S. or the transactions take place through a bank who's parent bank is in the U.S. England is trying to make religious jokes illegal... the U.N. said they'd tax users to pay for infastructure... The U.N. is corrupt and and filled with dictators who all want control, hell they don't even like.sex domains. I hope you like giving up all those freedoms that the U.S. protects for you, just so you can say that your politicians control the names of the sites you visit. Regards, Steve
B) Linux has SystemTap, which goes above and beyond what DTrace is capable of. It is still in heavy development by Red Hat (Intel and IBM also helped start up the effort), and it's already quite a product.
Your post was one big troll, why do you find it amusing to spread random misinformation?
It isn't a distro, they are kernel patches to increase the security of the kernel. The NSA worked closely with Red Hat to get them integrated, and now SELinux is supported in the mainline 2.6 kernel. Now they offer patches to bring your kernel more up to date. Regards, Steve
Well in defense of the FBI & CIA, both of their sites provide a lot more information. The SIS site provides minimal information so its easier to keep it clean. Regardless, the SIS site is not as cool as the NSA's:) (In particular the flash based one, its one of the few flash sites that are done well). Regards, Steve
This is a fun little python script I wrote to solve sudoku puzzles. I'm pretty sure its bug free, and there may be more pythonic ways of doing some of the things I did in it, but whatever:) It works. (iff the puzzle has one solution, which I believe is a requirement for true sudoku puzzles, but I've encountered a few with several solutions). Just run the the script in the same directory as a file called "sudoku.txt", or modify the script to accept an arg, its easy enough. the format of the txt file is 9 characters per line, 9 lines. A space is where there is no known digit, and the other characters are the known digits. Regards, Steve
To get past the lameness filter I had to encode the file. To decode it, copy the text into a file like "sudoku.endcoded", remove the spaces that slashdot inserts at character 51, run "uudecode sudoku.encoded", and then run "uncompress main.py". Ugh thats a lot of work for a damn file, but hey it works:)
I said that keeping the teams separate wasn't important, and I still say it isn't important. No teacher in his/her right mind would grade based on how accurate you were, although your accuracy can be a factor in determining how well you followed the procedure. There are these crazy things called lab reports... you know they have a process, hyptothesis, conclusions, etc. Your grade would most likely come from how well the procedure was done and documented, finding out how close you actually were would be purely out of interest.
If you attend a university where cheating is that rampant, you've got bigger problems. If two people can't work side by side without sharing results, you need to reevaluate the type of people entering your school. A perfect example is Caltech, every test is taken outside of class, is open book, you take it on your own time when you want, but the test is still timed. If the teacher says, take this test in an hour and 15 minutes, the teacher trusts that when you do decide to take the test that you will time yourself and stop after an hour and 15 minutes. That is a university wide policy. Academia needs trust systems like that, if you're that worried about cheating then you've got bigger problems on your hand and should deal with the immaturity of your students first and foremost. Students at Caltech abide by the polict very strictly, and it is everyone's responsibility to ensure that the policy is not taken advantage of. The teachers respect the students and in turn the students respect the teachers.
So, assuming that you're working with respectable people, it is completely fine for them to not be separated, I simply assume that one would only work with other respectable people because any intelligent person would walk away from a situation where they will most likely be taken advantage of. Anyway... the conversation has become completely sidetracked now (its completely my fault:) ), but I can guarantee that the results from a known piece of some historical artifact would match labratory results. I've seen it with my own damn eyes, you don't seriously think that scientists one day said "This sounds like it'd work, lets start using it without any verification." You're not giving the scientific community enough credit. Regards, Steve
Yes it is, there is plenty of "junk" out there from centuries ago, you typically only hear and see about the stuff worth keeping, alot of it can be dated with minimal or no impact on the material regardless. I didn't specify painting, it can be anything (assuming that particular object can be dated using whatever methodology you are testing). The only one who would know the age is the professor, there is no real benfit to not knowing who the others are as you stated in your post as long as you don't contaminate eachother's work (in which case the professor would probably make you fail that lab excercise, or start over). After the lab you see how accurate you were. I'm not sure where you're from, but in the U.S. this isn't all that uncommon if your in the right major. You don't just expect kids to leave a university having never dated something before, do you? That would be pretty dumb. Believe what you want but this is a well understood and well tested science, so well that yes it is a common lab excersice in academia, I've rarely heard anything even close to the truth come out of the mouths of intelligent design supporters so please stop believing them. Common practices like this are true of nearly every science, if you attend any reputable universtiy they don't just throw information at you, they make you verify it through experiment. Regards, Steve
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Red Hat's administration software is probably superior to Novell's, and I find SuSE lacking in some areas, but regardless... if Novell keeps performing how they have been for the past 3 to 5 quarters, in say 5 years there will be no more Novell. Novell is a highly mismanaged company, literally riddled with problems. The investors of Novell are pretty much demanding a revamp in management and there has been speculation that a bigger fish might wind up just buying Novell.
If Novell finds that linux isn't making the money its supposed to be, they'll sell off the Suse division and move into the next big tech area like they've done so many times before. In case you haven't noticed, not much has gotten better in SuSE since Novell bought it, they are still riding out the benefits from the previous owners (with the exception of a few things Nat has worked on). This is probably one of the reasons that (according to netcraft) Fedora overtook the number of SuSE servers in only a little over a year or so and now is only rivaled by Debian and its bigger brother RHEL (just in case you were wondering, desptie the increase of Fedora use, there was not a symmetric decrease from RHEL, i.e. it wasn't just people switching from RHEL to Fedora).
Anyway, moral of the story is that they are buying OSS from a financially unstable company likely to make a rash decision in the near future, which will only lead to a larger perception that OSS companies are fragmented and can't support their products, or some other nonsense for the MS FUD machine.
Regards,
Steve
Just a quick side note, I think if you and the other editors participated more in the discussion, you would receive less criticism and seem more "part of the crowd" rather than above and beyond as some posters like to make you seem. It would be good to see someone such as yourself bicker back and forth with someone on the merits of say running a large clustered site or if a game is worth playing. Flame on! :-) Excellent essay by the way, its important that issues like these are verbalized so innocent gamers can see the problem is on a larger scale than just them being personally targeted and unable to do anything about it. Regardless of what others are posting, I think this was a responsible use of your position and abilities (the site is after all *yours*).
Regards,
Steve
I second this parent post. GFS is exactly what he wants, although I've never used it in the 1 PB range, I can vouch for it working excellent with TBs.
Regards,
Steve
There are already quite a few shells in unix that follow a similar paradigm. Python's default shell comes pretty close, but there are off shoots of it that provide functionality designed to be used as a command shell. MSH is pretty much an interactive ruby shell or python shell designed to run regular commands and treat files like objects (which is as simple as defining a class that can interpret the file information and give it methods like .get_extension) The real key here is that I belive everything is treated as an object. With minor modifications to the python shell and maybe an additional class or two you would have the exact same functionality. You see... there is a reason though that noone has done this. System administrators should not have to learn the concepts of object orientation just to do their job. They are not programmers. Its bad enough when programmers design GUIs because they cater to programmers and not typical users. Monad caters to programmers and not system administrators. Most unix sys admin I know do know how to script in something like perl or python, but most windows admin are point and click or they can type a few commands into a file and rename it to .bat to run it. The monad shell has some great ideas for a shell used by and for programmers, but honestly it isn't a sys admins job to understand programming or programming paradigms. Let admins use simple bash like commands, even if it may not be the cleanest way, conceptually it is often easier, and let programmers script their way out of any hole they want.
Regards,
Steve
Because if you're valuable to the company then they will want to keep you , thats the whole idea. You have to continuosly improve yourself or prove that you add value to the company. I personally always get any NDAs or NCAs modified or not signed, they are for the companies protection but I make it blatantly clear that I won't sign anything that affects non-working hours and so far every company has wanted me enough that they're willing to over look that. This is from some major companies too, most notably a particular defense contractor. Maybe people should just stop accepting those conditions or add enough value to themselve that they can negotiate terms and get pay that more than covers the rent. Essentially our system makes you compete for your job, but also makes companies compete to keep you, and if you son't like it, there are plenty of government jobs.
Regards,
Steve
Businesses need reasons to innovate, they need motivation. In this case it is money. Other countries have plenty of their own problems, the U.S. is just publicized more because its the popular thing to do. In countried without IP protection, they are too busy stealing each other's ideas. Not to mention that if you want to implement something without running into a patent, it usually makes you think of a whole new way of implementing it, thus forcing innovation. Competition is what drives innovation, this is a big race. This and some other employment laws benefit the U.S. greatly, most notably being able to fire someone for any reason you deem necessary... in many other countries, even IP enforcing ones, innovation is severely hampered by companies having to hold on to employees that are useless and drain their money because they can't legally be fired. Patents aren't allows positive, but I personally think that software patents aren't all bad, they need to be better evaluated but if something is non-trivial and required significant amounts of research to discover, you should be able to benefit from it. A few examples off the top of my head that forced innovation because of patents include IBM having a patent on Arithmetic Encoding so Range Encoding was created, GIF was patented so the superior PNG was created, and MP3 is burdened with patents so many other superior formats have been released including Ogg Vorbis.
Regards,
Steve
Christ, you sound like everyone in every other decade.
Regards,
Steve
All of what you said may or may not be true, but regardless, Novell is a highly mismanaged company. Most investors are jumping ship until Novell revamps. They've consistenly been severly underperforming for quite a few quarters now. I wouldn't be surprised if Novell jumped ship on the Linux train and sold Suse off. Novell is just testing the linux waters, if it turns out not to be as good as they thought, they will simply move on to the next thing as they've always done. Anyway, in the next few months expect more than just layoffs, investors are nearly demanding a change in management and demanding the Novell focus more on getting a stronghold in at least one market, either that or a bigger fish will buy them.
Regards,
Steve
Care to elaborate? They use standard rate tables and give free shipping to orders of $25-$100.
Regards,
Steve
It doesn't matter. This is a geek site for geeks. Whether proprietary or open source, its still geek news. People are acting like its a big deal that you submitted a story about a company that you work for (nice article btw about DX10), and its not a big deal, I hope you don't stop simply because a few people on slashdot are making some noise.
Regards,
Steve
What do we know? It is a good board, hell one of the guys on the board wrote the original gnu c++ compiler. Red Hat is a pretty solid company through and through and is more devoted to OSS than any company I know, and by a pretty wide margin.
Regard,
Steve
I'm commenting again, just to clarify. There is no SEC investigation, he is not selling his stock (he couldn't even if wanted to do to contractual obligations), Bob Young is a good leader who only recently has become too busy to fulfill his duties but has a history of being very interactive with the company. Anyone who knows Bob Young knows that he is nothing like a used car salesman, he's a very nice and intelligent man, he gave Linus 12 million dollars in stock to show appreciation (yes, Linus is a millionaire). He really believes in open values. He wants software to be free and he wants people to be able to publish their books without having to deal with publishers which tend to take most of the profit. He is the founder of Lulu which allows anyone to sell their own books. Here is a book that he wrote and gives away for free, it is about how open source businesses are viable and locking people into things is not the only way to make profit. It is a shame that some troll is spreading misinformation about a guy who has done so much good. One other thing that gives huge credibility to Red Hat's potential is that Dell invested 100 million in them, and Michael Dell doesn't screw around with his money.
Regards,
Steve
The subject says it all. To anyone who may thinks the parent is creditable, it is not, its just a troll.
Regards,
Steve
Seriously, only around 3%-10% of the U.S. is populated with people depending upon how you define populated. We have a lot of land.
Regards,
Steve
Yea, The Onion is worse than any of those horrendous web portals I remember from back in the day. You're eyes have to scan the entire page to figure out where content is. You've got to do too much reading just to figure out what is worth reading and what isn't. On slashdot it is simple, right in the middle of the page is the blurb followed by a link to comment, there may also be links in the blurb. Even better, you are given a concise title that lets you know if the blurb is worth reading. Your focus is kept on th center, it is where the meat of the site is, one quick scan down the titles on the page and you can decide what is worth following up on, the titles are clearly marked as well. On the onion, the site is literally plastered with sections just full of links, crammed into small spaces, horrible placement, seemingly random, and little to no description. But in all honesty, the guy who wrote this story doesn't have an impressive site either, it looks like some amateur web design is getting to big for his britches.
Regards,
Steve
Most universities, many companies, and most major ISPs already use IPv6 with a v4 tunnel in the U.S. If you're talking about going cold turkey, its different, but quite a lot of the US already uses IPv6, even if most consumers don't realize it. Internet2 is also entirely IPv6 and it is a very large scale network all across the United States. U.S. hosted websites get something like 65% of web traffic, Europe isn't just going to cut itself off, not too mention that dropping IPv4 will break many devices and software. If Europe did ever get to a point like that, it'd still take years before all the nations agreed on anything, and then all the citizens can enjoy their international tax on their censored internet that is shattered and needs to be rebuilt because most major e-commerce is either through a company in the U.S. or the transactions take place through a bank who's parent bank is in the U.S. England is trying to make religious jokes illegal... the U.N. said they'd tax users to pay for infastructure... The U.N. is corrupt and and filled with dictators who all want control, hell they don't even like .sex domains. I hope you like giving up all those freedoms that the U.S. protects for you, just so you can say that your politicians control the names of the sites you visit.
Regards,
Steve
Regardless, this exploit doesn't effect 1.5, it's in beta but technically the explot is already fixed... just needs to be back ported:)
Regards,
Steve
The vimspell script works well.
Regards,
Steve
A) All of those OSes are macro.
B) Linux has SystemTap, which goes above and beyond what DTrace is capable of. It is still in heavy development by Red Hat (Intel and IBM also helped start up the effort), and it's already quite a product.
Your post was one big troll, why do you find it amusing to spread random misinformation?
Regards,
Steve
It isn't a distro, they are kernel patches to increase the security of the kernel. The NSA worked closely with Red Hat to get them integrated, and now SELinux is supported in the mainline 2.6 kernel. Now they offer patches to bring your kernel more up to date.
Regards,
Steve
Well in defense of the FBI & CIA, both of their sites provide a lot more information. The SIS site provides minimal information so its easier to keep it clean. Regardless, the SIS site is not as cool as the NSA's :) (In particular the flash based one, its one of the few flash sites that are done well).
Regards,
Steve
This is a fun little python script I wrote to solve sudoku puzzles. I'm pretty sure its bug free, and there may be more pythonic ways of doing some of the things I did in it, but whatever:) It works. (iff the puzzle has one solution, which I believe is a requirement for true sudoku puzzles, but I've encountered a few with several solutions). Just run the the script in the same directory as a file called "sudoku.txt", or modify the script to accept an arg, its easy enough. the format of the txt file is 9 characters per line, 9 lines. A space is where there is no known digit, and the other characters are the known digits.
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Regards,
Steve
To get past the lameness filter I had to encode the file. To decode it, copy the text into a file like "sudoku.endcoded", remove the spaces that slashdot inserts at character 51, run "uudecode sudoku.encoded", and then run "uncompress main.py". Ugh thats a lot of work for a damn file, but hey it works
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I said that keeping the teams separate wasn't important, and I still say it isn't important. No teacher in his/her right mind would grade based on how accurate you were, although your accuracy can be a factor in determining how well you followed the procedure. There are these crazy things called lab reports... you know they have a process, hyptothesis, conclusions, etc. Your grade would most likely come from how well the procedure was done and documented, finding out how close you actually were would be purely out of interest.
:) ), but I can guarantee that the results from a known piece of some historical artifact would match labratory results. I've seen it with my own damn eyes, you don't seriously think that scientists one day said "This sounds like it'd work, lets start using it without any verification." You're not giving the scientific community enough credit.
If you attend a university where cheating is that rampant, you've got bigger problems. If two people can't work side by side without sharing results, you need to reevaluate the type of people entering your school. A perfect example is Caltech, every test is taken outside of class, is open book, you take it on your own time when you want, but the test is still timed. If the teacher says, take this test in an hour and 15 minutes, the teacher trusts that when you do decide to take the test that you will time yourself and stop after an hour and 15 minutes. That is a university wide policy. Academia needs trust systems like that, if you're that worried about cheating then you've got bigger problems on your hand and should deal with the immaturity of your students first and foremost. Students at Caltech abide by the polict very strictly, and it is everyone's responsibility to ensure that the policy is not taken advantage of. The teachers respect the students and in turn the students respect the teachers.
So, assuming that you're working with respectable people, it is completely fine for them to not be separated, I simply assume that one would only work with other respectable people because any intelligent person would walk away from a situation where they will most likely be taken advantage of. Anyway... the conversation has become completely sidetracked now (its completely my fault
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Steve
Yes it is, there is plenty of "junk" out there from centuries ago, you typically only hear and see about the stuff worth keeping, alot of it can be dated with minimal or no impact on the material regardless. I didn't specify painting, it can be anything (assuming that particular object can be dated using whatever methodology you are testing). The only one who would know the age is the professor, there is no real benfit to not knowing who the others are as you stated in your post as long as you don't contaminate eachother's work (in which case the professor would probably make you fail that lab excercise, or start over). After the lab you see how accurate you were. I'm not sure where you're from, but in the U.S. this isn't all that uncommon if your in the right major. You don't just expect kids to leave a university having never dated something before, do you? That would be pretty dumb. Believe what you want but this is a well understood and well tested science, so well that yes it is a common lab excersice in academia, I've rarely heard anything even close to the truth come out of the mouths of intelligent design supporters so please stop believing them. Common practices like this are true of nearly every science, if you attend any reputable universtiy they don't just throw information at you, they make you verify it through experiment.
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Steve
Exactly. That experiment is performed all the time, often by college students.
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Steve