Neither Tuxedo or Medallion are Asian films but Hollywood films. Both suffer from the 3d madness you suggest, but I wouldn't class either as Kung Fu, in fact I would go so far as to suggest that Hollywood itself is killing the world of martial arts. Agreed that these latest Jackie films are not a patch on 2000 HK films, but then HK is still producing fantastic Kung fu films.
"THen we'll never have to see Jackie Chan on wires again. *sigh*"
~No need to sigh, I think the sooner the better. Many HK films use wire fighting to good effect, but Jackie Chan has never really used wire fighting in previous movies - thats what made him an action star. I agree that it is the 3d that is killing the genre, but I disagree that HK is producing heavily computerised movies.
The 'Legend of Zu Mountain' is only an updated version of the original version. Different Actors (except for Sammo) but essentially the same plot. Tsui Hark directed them both and wanted to remake the original as he says in the dvd extras.
As for constant complaints by the Asian population - very few movies that are still produced in Asia use computer effects simply because they cost so much more than just doing the stunts. You will struggle to name 10 movies that use computer rendered FIGHTING and not just rendered effects. If the population of this continent does not WANT to see 3d movies, they will not pay to see or buy them, hence will not be made. Zu mountain was a box office flop and was funded by Miramax who are american, hence why it is a bad example. The matrix perverted the worlds eyes by stealing the limelight on slow motion wire based fighting that was pioneered and shown to better effect in other earlier asian films. For a lesson in Yuen Woo Ping choreography (the same choreographer of the matrix) check out 'Iron Monkey', 'Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon' and the 'Once upon a time in China' series.
Hollywood is killing the genre, but Asia itself is still producing top notch Kung Fu films. That is a pertenent point worth pondering!
What mountain have you been living on!? Very rarely has the asian cinema used 3d effects in fighting scenes. On the odd occassion that 3d is used, it is never overused, usually to suggest some 'magic' tinge to the characters.
an example could be Iron Monkey, where the main character jumps from roof top to roof top,
Your example of 'Warriors of Zu mountain' or 'Legend of Zu' depending on where you are in the world is a remake of the 1984 original that begged the first special effects in asian cinema.
"Then we'll never have to see Jackie Chan on wires again."
I bet you can't name any Jackie Chan film that depends on wires for any of the fight scenes! None of Jackie's ultra famous / really good films including the following use 3d or wires:
Police Story 1, 2, 3 The Legend of the Drunken Master Project A 1 & 2 Armour of God Rush hour 1 & 2
need I go on! So go do some research and lest not tarnish the immaculate world of Kung fu by odius comparisons between hollywood rip offs. Oh, and if you still think kung fu films have fallen on the wayside of special effects, i beg of you to rent / borrow / buy or steal the 2002 Jet Li film 'Hero', then your faith will be restored!
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female chickens are hens - male chickens are roosters! This chicken hoover doesn't discriminate between sexes.
Fianlly, after thousands of years of repression, feminist chickens have the equality they've been demanding. For all its worth, Im sure most of these hens have realised by now it wasn't worth the struggle, and surely some of the more opinionated hens have ended up with egg on their faces.
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Neither Tuxedo or Medallion are Asian films but Hollywood films. Both suffer from the 3d madness you suggest, but I wouldn't class either as Kung Fu, in fact I would go so far as to suggest that Hollywood itself is killing the world of martial arts. Agreed that these latest Jackie films are not a patch on 2000 HK films, but then HK is still producing fantastic Kung fu films. "THen we'll never have to see Jackie Chan on wires again. *sigh*" ~No need to sigh, I think the sooner the better. Many HK films use wire fighting to good effect, but Jackie Chan has never really used wire fighting in previous movies - thats what made him an action star. I agree that it is the 3d that is killing the genre, but I disagree that HK is producing heavily computerised movies. The 'Legend of Zu Mountain' is only an updated version of the original version. Different Actors (except for Sammo) but essentially the same plot. Tsui Hark directed them both and wanted to remake the original as he says in the dvd extras. As for constant complaints by the Asian population - very few movies that are still produced in Asia use computer effects simply because they cost so much more than just doing the stunts. You will struggle to name 10 movies that use computer rendered FIGHTING and not just rendered effects. If the population of this continent does not WANT to see 3d movies, they will not pay to see or buy them, hence will not be made. Zu mountain was a box office flop and was funded by Miramax who are american, hence why it is a bad example. The matrix perverted the worlds eyes by stealing the limelight on slow motion wire based fighting that was pioneered and shown to better effect in other earlier asian films. For a lesson in Yuen Woo Ping choreography (the same choreographer of the matrix) check out 'Iron Monkey', 'Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon' and the 'Once upon a time in China' series. Hollywood is killing the genre, but Asia itself is still producing top notch Kung Fu films. That is a pertenent point worth pondering!
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What mountain have you been living on!? Very rarely has the asian cinema used 3d effects in fighting scenes. On the odd occassion that 3d is used, it is never overused, usually to suggest some 'magic' tinge to the characters.
an example could be Iron Monkey, where the main character jumps from roof top to roof top,
Your example of 'Warriors of Zu mountain' or 'Legend of Zu' depending on where you are in the world is a remake of the 1984 original that begged the first special effects in asian cinema.
"Then we'll never have to see Jackie Chan on wires again."
I bet you can't name any Jackie Chan film that depends on wires for any of the fight scenes! None of Jackie's ultra famous / really good films including the following use 3d or wires
Police Story 1, 2, 3
The Legend of the Drunken Master
Project A 1 & 2
Armour of God
Rush hour 1 & 2
need I go on! So go do some research and lest not tarnish the immaculate world of Kung fu by odius comparisons between hollywood rip offs. Oh, and if you still think kung fu films have fallen on the wayside of special effects, i beg of you to rent / borrow / buy or steal the 2002 Jet Li film 'Hero', then your faith will be restored!
no no no! female chickens are hens - male chickens are roosters! This chicken hoover doesn't discriminate between sexes. Fianlly, after thousands of years of repression, feminist chickens have the equality they've been demanding. For all its worth, Im sure most of these hens have realised by now it wasn't worth the struggle, and surely some of the more opinionated hens have ended up with egg on their faces.