If politics was an industry, the justice department would be sueing both the dems and the repubs for antitrust violations.
Keep voting for your favorite third party, work at the state level to change the way it allocates electoral votes, work to eliminate signature requirements for established third parties. If you and others like you keep at it, others will notice and join, it will become a movement, someday it will be unstopable. Kinda like one of those snowballs that keeps getting bigger, it's kind of cute at first, then it gets scary. Or maybe I'm thinking of those little pet alligators.
Loans aren't goods and services that people buy, they are simply the means to pay for the goods and services people really want, like healthcare when they need it.
I've never voted straight party, but I did check into how it works. Obviously, if you choose Democrat, you have elected the Democrat in every position, but then if you go and select someone who isn't a Democrat, that overrides the straight ticket selection. So basicly, it is vote for the Democrat in every race unless I select someone else. It's a default that can be overriden.
Another winner, except for that pesky semicolon...at least it all fits on one line. Hope you don't mind if I use some variation of what you said in future discussions.
Hey, I like that, it's a political round robin, everybody against everyone else, the one with the most wins is the overall winner.
It's easy to explain in one sentence how to vote using a ranked list, it's much harder to come up with an explanation of how the votes are tallied. So far, of all the things I've seen here, this is the best. It only presumes that the voter is familiar with round robin tournements.
the term NIMBY, which stands for "Not in My Back Yard", has been around for a very long time. It is commonly used for any protest against projects thought to be bad neighbors such as landfills and even football stadiums. I've never heard it used in reference to nuke plants, but it's possible.
What if the voter marks the wrong number? the ballot would be tossed just because someone can't count. This might be trivial, but requiring the voter to count does add a level of complexity that could eliminate some voters. Counting is more complicated than choosing amongst options. Not all voters have a normal preschool education..
I think you missed something. Both systems require you to rank the candidates. they just process the ranked lists differently. With IRV, if no one has a majority, they toss out the rank 5 candidate, go elsewhere for details. With Condorcet, you still have a ranked list of 5 names, it is just that when the votes are tabulated, probably by a Diebold type machine, every possible pair is tabulated, rank 1 beats each of the other 4, rank 2 loses to rank 1, but beats the other 3, etc. So you have more data at the tabulating stage, but the ballot looks the same.
Actually, it is the US with the obsolete voting system. Check out most of Europe, Australia, just about anywhere that has a newer democracy than the US. That's where you find such inovations as party list for legislatures and ranking systems or approval for presidents.
Scary, isn't it? As much as Mr. Condorcet deserves the recognition, it is not a very comfortable name for a voting system. Instant Runoff sounds so nice, so American, so instant!
I think the idea is to have a yes and no bubble after every name. I don't know what it means to skip a name. Permision for poll officer to vote for you?
I was thinking of computerized telephone switches and cellular systems. For good measure I was including the computers that control the routing of the internet. There are only a few companies that manufacture telephony control systems so they are highly standardized, you know one you can figure out the rest. Let's hope they remembered to change the passwords.
Bringing down the computerized communications systems would totally f*** us up, but what makes it worse is we wouldn't know the extent of the damage until later.
Let's hope the terrorists stick with dramatic stuff like violently killing a small percentage of us, than more insidious stuff that could leave us unable to respond to followup attacks.
I could have picked a better example: what would we do if our communications systems failed and we could only communicate face to face? We wouldn't even know the extent of the damage.
Lives lost is more dramatic than dollars lost. I have to admit, I'd rather lose my dollars than my family. But bringing down the economic system would hurt more people a little bit than most bombs which hurt just a few people a lot. And that little bit could be much more significant in the long run, we know how to dispose of dead bodies, what would we do if banking transaction systems failed? How long would it take for us to be back in business?
As long as knowledgable people have the attitude that victims of crime deserve what they get, realistic attempts to control such crimes are discouraged. Some slashdot types enjoy the superior feeling we get when we hear of the woes of those not in our tech elite.
Concerns about nightmarish tales of computer zombies and such that sound like bad horror movies are so silly when dirty bombs and anthax are lurking out there somewhere.
This kinda news, whether true or not, doesn't help Bush kill the rumors that Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi isn't some kind of a puppet.
But, hey, we wrote the Japanese constitution and made the Empiror publicly declare he wasn't a god, and that all worked out.
Coral is a system that is supposed to eliminate the/. effect. Apparently it isn't perfect, but at least, the OP diverted some traffic with it, so it does help a little bit.
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But then you might have a problem getting enough sunshine. And this vehicle seems underpowered, What if it gets stuck in a snowdrift?
Keep voting for your favorite third party, work at the state level to change the way it allocates electoral votes, work to eliminate signature requirements for established third parties. If you and others like you keep at it, others will notice and join, it will become a movement, someday it will be unstopable. Kinda like one of those snowballs that keeps getting bigger, it's kind of cute at first, then it gets scary. Or maybe I'm thinking of those little pet alligators.
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Loans aren't goods and services that people buy, they are simply the means to pay for the goods and services people really want, like healthcare when they need it.
I've never voted straight party, but I did check into how it works. Obviously, if you choose Democrat, you have elected the Democrat in every position, but then if you go and select someone who isn't a Democrat, that overrides the straight ticket selection. So basicly, it is vote for the Democrat in every race unless I select someone else. It's a default that can be overriden.
Another winner, except for that pesky semicolon...at least it all fits on one line. Hope you don't mind if I use some variation of what you said in future discussions.
But will it stand up to the clothes dryer test?
Or the Mister Coffee test? (standin for when you run out of filters)
It's easy to explain in one sentence how to vote using a ranked list, it's much harder to come up with an explanation of how the votes are tallied. So far, of all the things I've seen here, this is the best. It only presumes that the voter is familiar with round robin tournements.
NIMBY means "Not In My Back Yard". NIMBY forms the basis of a lot of zoning protests including but not limited to nuclear power plants.
the term NIMBY, which stands for "Not in My Back Yard", has been around for a very long time. It is commonly used for any protest against projects thought to be bad neighbors such as landfills and even football stadiums. I've never heard it used in reference to nuke plants, but it's possible.
What if the voter marks the wrong number? the ballot would be tossed just because someone can't count. This might be trivial, but requiring the voter to count does add a level of complexity that could eliminate some voters. Counting is more complicated than choosing amongst options. Not all voters have a normal preschool education..
I think you missed something. Both systems require you to rank the candidates. they just process the ranked lists differently. With IRV, if no one has a majority, they toss out the rank 5 candidate, go elsewhere for details. With Condorcet, you still have a ranked list of 5 names, it is just that when the votes are tabulated, probably by a Diebold type machine, every possible pair is tabulated, rank 1 beats each of the other 4, rank 2 loses to rank 1, but beats the other 3, etc. So you have more data at the tabulating stage, but the ballot looks the same.
Actually, it is the US with the obsolete voting system. Check out most of Europe, Australia, just about anywhere that has a newer democracy than the US. That's where you find such inovations as party list for legislatures and ranking systems or approval for presidents.
Scary, isn't it? As much as Mr. Condorcet deserves the recognition, it is not a very comfortable name for a voting system. Instant Runoff sounds so nice, so American, so instant!
I think the idea is to have a yes and no bubble after every name. I don't know what it means to skip a name. Permision for poll officer to vote for you?
Much as we need a better system, it won't catch on if it can't be explained in one simple sentence.
I was thinking of computerized telephone switches and cellular systems. For good measure I was including the computers that control the routing of the internet. There are only a few companies that manufacture telephony control systems so they are highly standardized, you know one you can figure out the rest. Let's hope they remembered to change the passwords.
Let's hope the terrorists stick with dramatic stuff like violently killing a small percentage of us, than more insidious stuff that could leave us unable to respond to followup attacks.
I could have picked a better example: what would we do if our communications systems failed and we could only communicate face to face? We wouldn't even know the extent of the damage.
Lives lost is more dramatic than dollars lost. I have to admit, I'd rather lose my dollars than my family. But bringing down the economic system would hurt more people a little bit than most bombs which hurt just a few people a lot. And that little bit could be much more significant in the long run, we know how to dispose of dead bodies, what would we do if banking transaction systems failed? How long would it take for us to be back in business?
Concerns about nightmarish tales of computer zombies and such that sound like bad horror movies are so silly when dirty bombs and anthax are lurking out there somewhere.
This kinda news, whether true or not, doesn't help Bush kill the rumors that Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi isn't some kind of a puppet. But, hey, we wrote the Japanese constitution and made the Empiror publicly declare he wasn't a god, and that all worked out.
"MIT was after me, you know. Wanted me to rule the world for them." - Help! (the Beatles movie) Doesn't this belong on the John Lennon thread?
Coral is a system that is supposed to eliminate the /. effect. Apparently it isn't perfect, but at least, the OP diverted some traffic with it, so it does help a little bit.
Remember Sneakernet? It's still alive and the technology has improved. Rather than using the outdated Floppynet, we can use Flashnet and even Ipodnet.