The difference being Enron was in the press after the place was a blaze and smelling of gasoline. Other then a baseball field in Houston, the masses knew very little about them prior to see suits in handcuffs and giant paper shredders on the evening news.
SCO is a catch phrase outside of tech circles. I literally had to tackle my mother to prevent her from investing. She argued about them being in the press and once the lawsuit was settled the advice she was getting was they'd triple in value. After shedding some light on the grounds of the lawsuit and how I felt about the facts of the case she understood why I freaked out. But then again, just because thats how I feel doesn't mean the judge/jury won't find in their behalf.
I'm not claiming to have any more information then any other casual observer to all this, but to answer the question of why is the stock price rising?, in my mother's case, its because some dumbass calling himself a stock trader said there was a buzz and is forcasting the stock going through the roof after they win some lawsuit they're part of.
I agree with you, cultural exchange can lead to a foundation of understanding - which can lead to compromise. But the parent I was commenting on, leads the reader to think a couple techs working on an OSS project together is the trigger pin to a happier and more harmonious middle east, which I disagree with.
Although I appreciate your point of view, I don't think it applies to the parties in Israel. Primarily because the dispute in the Middle East evolves around land and religion, two things people (for the most part) aren't willing to compromise on. Religion, because it's the basis for their identity and what separates them from the rest of the corrupt world. Land, because (in the case of Israel) it's what defines it as a nation.
I don't think cultural exchange with Russia would have led me, as American, to relinquish Alaska if the USSR was staking a claim to it.
On matters of religion, I defer to zealots; they care far more about then me. I don't go to church, I'm not a member of a particular faith but I believe in God, I believe in Heaven. I also believe in tolerance and understanding. Do what you want to do in the name of your God, I'm not going to care until I start seeing terrorism in the name of God. I've read several of the books the worlds religions considered central and I've not seen any that condone mass murder as a means to anything. These are ancient faiths that believe in an eye or an eye, this belief lends itself to a never ending string of killings. At some point, someone on one of the sides is going to have to let one slide, call things even and start talking about what is really at stake.... Land. Land that possesses religious locations both want dearly. They want them to continue their religions, their teachings and their culture. What makes them who they are is at stake and unless they can learn to co-exist, its going to come down to a serious military conflict where all they hold dear will be destroyed, but one side will win and stability will come.
In the height of the cold war, lets say you met and befriended a Russian. Lets say a thousand people did, lets say a million.... what what % of the population do these personal relationships make governments change policy? My guess is, it doesn't happen. When ideologies not only vary, but conflict to the degree Israel and it's neighbors do, personal relationships will have very little effect unless we're talking about the nation's leaders becoming buddies, which at the very least will facilitate more discussions. Of course those discussions will anger some sect will continue to launch terrorist suicide attacks which will of course, be retaliated for and the
vicious cycle continues.
The problems in the middle east are complex, maybe too complex to solve today. My hope is the next generation of middle eastern will have more understanding and tolerance for one another, but then again, that generation will have lost fathers and brothers to the violence and will have thier own bones to pick.
+ Unethical - personal ethics failed to pay the mortgage and homeless in Utah isn't what it's craked up to be. Most wermacht soldiers had no idea what Hitler was doing in the camps, are they equally guilty?
+ Cowardice - again, homelessness is glorified in hollywood, coding hasn't given me the necessary skills to take to the wilderness
+ Incompetence - my company sued some people, I just make the buttons colors change when clicked man
+ Gullibility - yes, we're from Utah remember
+ Stupidity - I'm too busy working to read the shit on tech news sites, and when I get home I have 14 wives to service, come to think of it, I don't have time to do much of anything then refill the ink in my pen if you know what I mean.
Most common people have no idea what SCO is about, they didn't know anything about Enron until they were on the news for a month straight and the government started writing laws to stop other companies from behaving similarly. Until this things blows up, the masses won't care about the rep of SCO. Darl will certainly get his share of attention, maybe enough to deflect any taintness from spilling downhill to the cube monkies.
Speaking as a former police officer, I'm not sure how many 'deadly force'
situations your solving here. As I understand it, this *tractor beam* will
cause a moving vehicle to stop, so without it - your talking about police shooting
at a moving vehicle? Afraid that is something that happens primarily in
Hollywood my friend.
What it will prevent, or at least reduce, are road blocks, spike strips and
high speed chases. And yes, high speed pursuit is absolutely important as
the any car involved is much more likely to kill participates or bystanders then
a car at rest. But I guarantee, it will cause at situation where a
desperate person who viewed their only option as evading, who is now sitting in
an otherwise dead vehicle, to open fire and cause a deadly force
situation from the police.
If the PC is to be hidden and out of site, I assumed the author would be using a WAP at the very least. Depending on the size of the shop and to ensure maximum strength, I'd also expect the WAP to be in plain site (even if sitting atop a shelf or something).
My cell phone has free long distance so often it is more convienent then a computer based solution.
And, when I tried it a couple years back, the lag was terrible causing a broken conversation. I fully admit that the experience has spoiled me a bit on the idea and in time, I'm sure I'll give it another go. Hopefully, the technology will mature into a usable service for the home user. I want to say my upload speeds (or those of the person I was calling) is the source of the lag but that is pure guesswork.
Sure it is, and for the most part the city water departments think they're doing a bang up job.
What your asking for is oversight, and audit... and frankly I agree with them. If you want to audit the quality of their work, you should pay for it. Also, I would think you'd want an independent 3rd party doing the work anyway. I do disagree with them about it costing dearly, I have a friend who works in a lab that does 'walk up' business on water, food and so forth and I wanna say, depending on the subject matter, its less then $100. If that is too steep (reasonable to me if trusting my water was important) I'm sure you could google your way to a reasonable home kit online.
Otherwise, I
recommend buying bottled water in bulk or getting one of those 5 gallon
dispensers.
The difference being, those that use pirated MS usually KNOW they are using pirated software and thus INTENT is easier to prove.
No one using Linux has loaded it with the INTENT for snookering SCO out of money.
MS can audit MS customers (because they know who they are) for unlicensed software, or use the reports from the Windows Update service to collect IPs and unique installs. I doubt Mandrake (I use mandrake so I will use them as an example) will provide such records to SCO without a bit of a fight if they come knocking looking for a head count and customer information for their users. Which is a fundamental difference with MS (since source owner and support provider are the same entity).
a compitent admin can hide a Linux machine from looking like a Linux machine on the internet
Seriously, if this goes bad, how in the hell is SCO going to find Linux users to chase? I can only think of those that use enterpise solutions from Red Hat/SUSE and the like who have customer databases to suponea. If a company has some talented admins and stick to free distros from the net how will SCO or anyone else for that matter find them to collect from?, NetCraft? That is just one box, or a farm of boxes, either way... for that box load BSD or like the parent says, make it look like something else.
I believe SCO is fuckered no matter how this things turns out. Even if they win, once the code is revealed it will be fixed and everyone will cut over to the non-SCO code. I don't think the courts will enforce a grandfather rule since the companies using Linux didn't intentionally use tainted code (my thought here is the business lobby will influence politicians and courts to make sure any ruling gives current users a couple months to clean up any boxes affected).
Although I havn't seen technical people have much luck with decision makers (unless of course they are consultants or technical sales reptiles), I tend toward the thought that pending litigation isn't a factor because, well.... its pending. The same reasons companies didn't jump from the MS ship during all their court involvment, I can't see anyone who has made the decision FOR Linux to jump ship over SCO's claims against IBM.
What I'd like to know is, are there any companies who were planning Linux projects that are holding until after an SCO resolution?
Re:The "Home Computer Museum"...
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They also lack my cherished vic 20.
NAME
VIC 20
MANUFACTURER
Commodore
TYPE
Home Computer
ORIGIN
U.S.A.
YEAR
May1981
ENDOFPRODUCTION
January 1985
BUILTINLANGUAGE
CBM Basic V2
KEYBOARD
Full-stroke keyboard, 4
function keys, 66 keys
CPU
Commodore Semiconductor
Group 6502A
SPEED
1.0227 Mhz
COPROCESSOR
VIC-I (6560) for sound
and graphics.
RAM
5 KB (3583 bytes free),
expandable up to 32 KB
VRAM
(shared regular RAM)
ROM
16 KB
TEXTMODES
23 rows x 22 columns
GRAPHICMODES
184 x 176
COLORS
8 character colors, 16
background/border colors
SOUND
3 voices / 3 octaves
SIZE/WEIGHT
40.3 x 20.4 x 7.2 cm /
1,8 Kg
I/OPORTS
1 joystick port, 1 user
port, 1 serial port, 1 cartrige port, RGB output, tape interface
POWERSUPPLY
External power supply
unit, 18 Watts
PRICE
$299.95 (1981, U.S.A.)
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I don't know. Most families (at least all my aunts and uncles) have upgraded
in the past couple years. Usually they send me their old gateway junk forcing me
to trash it. If my little cousins had this book maybe they'd give them the old
box. Maybe after building the family a no-cost-to-them
Freevo they might loosen the purse
strings and fork over a couple hundred on an eBay machine in hopes of another
family enchancer.
Damn this article for coming out AFTER my families' Christmas. Maybe
I'll stock up for next year.
Because its not always that easy, considering you may have other ties to the community other then employment (like family, friends) or maybe you just love living where you do and there are other places to work.
I too was 'downsized, right-sized or outsourced' depending on your point of view. In my situation, I was not offered the opportunity to move with my job as it wasn't 'my job' anymore as it now belonged to a 3rd party (another company in town performing those functions that use to be mine).
Because we were 'audited' and told repeatedly it was non-threating and the new CIO was just getting a *pulse* of who was there and what we did... when we showed up for the wrap-up meeting that was to be an information exchange of what was discovered and what the next move was, we were quite surprised to get our walking papers.
Naturally the audit was nothing more then a 'gather all the information you need to support us going forward' project. The better option, IMHO, would have been to tell us what was going on, I would have been more helpful and forthcoming as the enterprise I helped build/design/deploy had many MANY exceptions to standards and rules because of business need. Several weren't documented and as a result the transistion has been painful for them as they discover these exceptions and scramble to fix them. I think a better question to this topic would be... 'when your considering outsourcing, what is the best way to implement?'.
The "keeping the guys in the dark" approach is bad for PR in the IT community. In my situation, the company was very generous with the severance package and if I had known it was to be offered I would have bent over backwards to help make the transition smooth.
but there's no question that the Wright brothers built the first airplane
that a pilot could control and fly. The basic principles that were built into
the Wright Flyer remain a part of every aircraft flying today.
Competing claims aside, I think we can all agree this was a great moment in
American history at least.
Until we actually experiment with digital/computer-based voting, we won't know there's more fraud than analog.
Its only a crime if you get caught right?.... so unless fraud is uncovered it doesn't exist? Lets just say for argument's sake that there is current voter fraud happening undetected how in the hell do you have any idea of impact (or lack there of) of digital voting?
Don't get me wrong, I want technology integrated. If computers can keep track the world's finances and air traffic, I think it's matured enough to count votes. The question is which system do we adopt. This is/. afterall, because the current crop run on MS, they must blow. And since the government has openly adopted and trusted Linux yet (the National Weather Services' recent announcement not withstanding).. then what we really need is a closed UNIX solution. Someone get Darl McBride on the phone, I have an idea of how to fund his IBM war and garner some positive PR in the process.
I prefer forking, my wife on the other hand would rather spoon.
Forking does provide choice, but too many splits can lead to too many dilluted or feature-less versions versus a relatively singular tree which would include features from all contributors.
Yeah, good point. After all, if the stupid musician hadn't created the damn song in the first place, I wouldn't want to listen (or archive, or copy, or share).
Your self promotion aside, the benefits you point out to ensure anonymity
don't necessarily need to be all encompassing to the internet. Many corporations
offer anonymous *ethics* hotlines internally directing employees to an anonymous
email drop box or toll free number that an outside company handles.
That very email conversation with the 16 year old Albanian girl could have
really taken place with a 54 year old Brooklyn man (posing to be the girl of
course), how would you know without some sort of identity validation? Did the girl just happen to find a high school junior that spoke her language? Was she randomly spamming email addresses hoping to find a sympathetic ear?
Government oversight is a reality the world over, that fact that the Internet
has provided people a voice is great, but the abuses are starting to pile up and
won't be tolerated as long as *anonymous* people continue to hack and
compromise systems. After all, its not the hacker's voice for freedom and
curiosity of knowledge that will be filling the ears of the lawmakers, its the
big business' that are losing money every time a web site is defaced. If
we continue down that road, we'll reach a point where any attempt to hide your
identity will become a crime (read Patriot Act styled open ended legistlation).
I'd rather give up a little anonymity now then a whole lot later.
True, and Wells Fargo is no exception. I once worked for a customer of theirs that when they came onsight there were certain firewall rules we had to lay down to allow them to VPN out.
But, the guy (it sounds) wasn't a full time Wells Fargo users. It sounded more like a contractor working from home. Most corporations will require them to load the VPN software and when connected deny their ISP provided internet access, but when the VPN client is not launched they are like the rest of us.
Are you, your parents, your roommate and many many friends all AOL users?
I appreciate your comment, but the parent was posting in relation to AOL users, who by and large are dial up users.
Although I've not quit my day job to follow the SCO v. IBM thing, am I correct in that SCO has not released the "what & where" as far as the lines of UNIX code in the linux kernel? If not, then won't the 2.6 kernel fall under the settlement agreements (either for or against)?
Not that it would prevent me from downloading my favorite distro when released with 2.6, just curious.
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SCO is a catch phrase outside of tech circles. I literally had to tackle my mother to prevent her from investing. She argued about them being in the press and once the lawsuit was settled the advice she was getting was they'd triple in value. After shedding some light on the grounds of the lawsuit and how I felt about the facts of the case she understood why I freaked out. But then again, just because thats how I feel doesn't mean the judge/jury won't find in their behalf.
I'm not claiming to have any more information then any other casual observer to all this, but to answer the question of why is the stock price rising?, in my mother's case, its because some dumbass calling himself a stock trader said there was a buzz and is forcasting the stock going through the roof after they win some lawsuit they're part of.
Although I appreciate your point of view, I don't think it applies to the parties in Israel. Primarily because the dispute in the Middle East evolves around land and religion, two things people (for the most part) aren't willing to compromise on. Religion, because it's the basis for their identity and what separates them from the rest of the corrupt world. Land, because (in the case of Israel) it's what defines it as a nation.
I don't think cultural exchange with Russia would have led me, as American, to relinquish Alaska if the USSR was staking a claim to it.
On matters of religion, I defer to zealots; they care far more about then me. I don't go to church, I'm not a member of a particular faith but I believe in God, I believe in Heaven. I also believe in tolerance and understanding. Do what you want to do in the name of your God, I'm not going to care until I start seeing terrorism in the name of God. I've read several of the books the worlds religions considered central and I've not seen any that condone mass murder as a means to anything. These are ancient faiths that believe in an eye or an eye, this belief lends itself to a never ending string of killings. At some point, someone on one of the sides is going to have to let one slide, call things even and start talking about what is really at stake.... Land. Land that possesses religious locations both want dearly. They want them to continue their religions, their teachings and their culture. What makes them who they are is at stake and unless they can learn to co-exist, its going to come down to a serious military conflict where all they hold dear will be destroyed, but one side will win and stability will come.
In the height of the cold war, lets say you met and befriended a Russian. Lets say a thousand people did, lets say a million.... what what % of the population do these personal relationships make governments change policy? My guess is, it doesn't happen. When ideologies not only vary, but conflict to the degree Israel and it's neighbors do, personal relationships will have very little effect unless we're talking about the nation's leaders becoming buddies, which at the very least will facilitate more discussions. Of course those discussions will anger some sect will continue to launch terrorist suicide attacks which will of course, be retaliated for and the vicious cycle continues.
The problems in the middle east are complex, maybe too complex to solve today. My hope is the next generation of middle eastern will have more understanding and tolerance for one another, but then again, that generation will have lost fathers and brothers to the violence and will have thier own bones to pick.
+ Cowardice - again, homelessness is glorified in hollywood, coding hasn't given me the necessary skills to take to the wilderness
+ Incompetence - my company sued some people, I just make the buttons colors change when clicked man
+ Gullibility - yes, we're from Utah remember
+ Stupidity - I'm too busy working to read the shit on tech news sites, and when I get home I have 14 wives to service, come to think of it, I don't have time to do much of anything then refill the ink in my pen if you know what I mean.
Most common people have no idea what SCO is about, they didn't know anything about Enron until they were on the news for a month straight and the government started writing laws to stop other companies from behaving similarly. Until this things blows up, the masses won't care about the rep of SCO. Darl will certainly get his share of attention, maybe enough to deflect any taintness from spilling downhill to the cube monkies.
The next root kit is announced and within days all machines have been *upgraded* to BSD. Argh
What it will prevent, or at least reduce, are road blocks, spike strips and high speed chases. And yes, high speed pursuit is absolutely important as the any car involved is much more likely to kill participates or bystanders then a car at rest. But I guarantee, it will cause at situation where a desperate person who viewed their only option as evading, who is now sitting in an otherwise dead vehicle, to open fire and cause a deadly force situation from the police.
If the PC is to be hidden and out of site, I assumed the author would be using a WAP at the very least. Depending on the size of the shop and to ensure maximum strength, I'd also expect the WAP to be in plain site (even if sitting atop a shelf or something).
My cell phone has free long distance so often it is more convienent then a computer based solution.
And, when I tried it a couple years back, the lag was terrible causing a broken conversation. I fully admit that the experience has spoiled me a bit on the idea and in time, I'm sure I'll give it another go. Hopefully, the technology will mature into a usable service for the home user. I want to say my upload speeds (or those of the person I was calling) is the source of the lag but that is pure guesswork.
What your asking for is oversight, and audit... and frankly I agree with them. If you want to audit the quality of their work, you should pay for it. Also, I would think you'd want an independent 3rd party doing the work anyway. I do disagree with them about it costing dearly, I have a friend who works in a lab that does 'walk up' business on water, food and so forth and I wanna say, depending on the subject matter, its less then $100. If that is too steep (reasonable to me if trusting my water was important) I'm sure you could google your way to a reasonable home kit online.
Otherwise, I recommend buying bottled water in bulk or getting one of those 5 gallon dispensers.
No one using Linux has loaded it with the INTENT for snookering SCO out of money.
MS can audit MS customers (because they know who they are) for unlicensed software, or use the reports from the Windows Update service to collect IPs and unique installs. I doubt Mandrake (I use mandrake so I will use them as an example) will provide such records to SCO without a bit of a fight if they come knocking looking for a head count and customer information for their users. Which is a fundamental difference with MS (since source owner and support provider are the same entity).
Seriously, if this goes bad, how in the hell is SCO going to find Linux users to chase? I can only think of those that use enterpise solutions from Red Hat/SUSE and the like who have customer databases to suponea. If a company has some talented admins and stick to free distros from the net how will SCO or anyone else for that matter find them to collect from?, NetCraft? That is just one box, or a farm of boxes, either way... for that box load BSD or like the parent says, make it look like something else.
I believe SCO is fuckered no matter how this things turns out. Even if they win, once the code is revealed it will be fixed and everyone will cut over to the non-SCO code. I don't think the courts will enforce a grandfather rule since the companies using Linux didn't intentionally use tainted code (my thought here is the business lobby will influence politicians and courts to make sure any ruling gives current users a couple months to clean up any boxes affected).
What I'd like to know is, are there any companies who were planning Linux projects that are holding until after an SCO resolution?
NAME VIC 20 MANUFACTURER Commodore TYPE Home Computer ORIGIN U.S.A. YEAR May1981 ENDOFPRODUCTION January 1985 BUILTINLANGUAGE CBM Basic V2 KEYBOARD Full-stroke keyboard, 4 function keys, 66 keys CPU Commodore Semiconductor Group 6502A SPEED 1.0227 Mhz COPROCESSOR VIC-I (6560) for sound and graphics. RAM 5 KB (3583 bytes free), expandable up to 32 KB VRAM (shared regular RAM) ROM 16 KB TEXTMODES 23 rows x 22 columns GRAPHICMODES 184 x 176 COLORS 8 character colors, 16 background/border colors SOUND 3 voices / 3 octaves SIZE/WEIGHT 40.3 x 20.4 x 7.2 cm / 1,8 Kg I/OPORTS 1 joystick port, 1 user port, 1 serial port, 1 cartrige port, RGB output, tape interface POWERSUPPLY External power supply unit, 18 Watts PRICE $299.95 (1981, U.S.A.)
Damn this article for coming out AFTER my families' Christmas. Maybe I'll stock up for next year.
I too was 'downsized, right-sized or outsourced' depending on your point of view. In my situation, I was not offered the opportunity to move with my job as it wasn't 'my job' anymore as it now belonged to a 3rd party (another company in town performing those functions that use to be mine).
Because we were 'audited' and told repeatedly it was non-threating and the new CIO was just getting a *pulse* of who was there and what we did... when we showed up for the wrap-up meeting that was to be an information exchange of what was discovered and what the next move was, we were quite surprised to get our walking papers.
Naturally the audit was nothing more then a 'gather all the information you need to support us going forward' project. The better option, IMHO, would have been to tell us what was going on, I would have been more helpful and forthcoming as the enterprise I helped build/design/deploy had many MANY exceptions to standards and rules because of business need. Several weren't documented and as a result the transistion has been painful for them as they discover these exceptions and scramble to fix them. I think a better question to this topic would be... 'when your considering outsourcing, what is the best way to implement?'.
The "keeping the guys in the dark" approach is bad for PR in the IT community. In my situation, the company was very generous with the severance package and if I had known it was to be offered I would have bent over backwards to help make the transition smooth.
The thing that seperated the Wright Flyer was that the pilot had controls for all 3 axis of movement, which DID seperate it from its contemporaries.
NPR did a nice piece during the morning drive time.
but there's no question that the Wright brothers built the first airplane that a pilot could control and fly. The basic principles that were built into the Wright Flyer remain a part of every aircraft flying today.
Competing claims aside, I think we can all agree this was a great moment in American history at least.
Its only a crime if you get caught right?.... so unless fraud is uncovered it doesn't exist? Lets just say for argument's sake that there is current voter fraud happening undetected how in the hell do you have any idea of impact (or lack there of) of digital voting?
Don't get me wrong, I want technology integrated. If computers can keep track the world's finances and air traffic, I think it's matured enough to count votes. The question is which system do we adopt. This is /. afterall, because the current crop run on MS, they must blow. And since the government has openly adopted and trusted Linux yet (the National Weather Services' recent announcement not withstanding).. then what we really need is a closed UNIX solution. Someone get Darl McBride on the phone, I have an idea of how to fund his IBM war and garner some positive PR in the process.
Forking does provide choice, but too many splits can lead to too many dilluted or feature-less versions versus a relatively singular tree which would include features from all contributors.
Its entrapment I tell you!!!!!
I agree. The way Palm got a foot hold in the PDA market, this could be a great way to expose the masses to Linux.
That very email conversation with the 16 year old Albanian girl could have really taken place with a 54 year old Brooklyn man (posing to be the girl of course), how would you know without some sort of identity validation? Did the girl just happen to find a high school junior that spoke her language? Was she randomly spamming email addresses hoping to find a sympathetic ear?
Government oversight is a reality the world over, that fact that the Internet has provided people a voice is great, but the abuses are starting to pile up and won't be tolerated as long as *anonymous* people continue to hack and compromise systems. After all, its not the hacker's voice for freedom and curiosity of knowledge that will be filling the ears of the lawmakers, its the big business' that are losing money every time a web site is defaced. If we continue down that road, we'll reach a point where any attempt to hide your identity will become a crime (read Patriot Act styled open ended legistlation).
I'd rather give up a little anonymity now then a whole lot later.
But, the guy (it sounds) wasn't a full time Wells Fargo users. It sounded more like a contractor working from home. Most corporations will require them to load the VPN software and when connected deny their ISP provided internet access, but when the VPN client is not launched they are like the rest of us.
Are you, your parents, your roommate and many many friends all AOL users? I appreciate your comment, but the parent was posting in relation to AOL users, who by and large are dial up users.
Although I've not quit my day job to follow the SCO v. IBM thing, am I correct in that SCO has not released the "what & where" as far as the lines of UNIX code in the linux kernel? If not, then won't the 2.6 kernel fall under the settlement agreements (either for or against)? Not that it would prevent me from downloading my favorite distro when released with 2.6, just curious.