This, plus the scare back when pranksters put Mooninite signs all over Boston and the overt racism that has plagued the city for so long, should disabuse Yankees from any feelings of moral or intellectual superiority over the South. You're just as stupid as we are...
That's the kind of rule which people who don't want to be seen as malicious really like to promote.
If I had mod points, +1.
However, it's still valid for us non-malicious types who have inside knowledge of situations caused by incompetence (or bureaucrats acting bureaucratic) instead of the malice attributed them by outsiders.
as long as you accept that gay people have valid rights to raise families. Not agreeing on that is bigotry
What evidence do you have for that assertion?
there is no evidence whatsoever that children are harmed in gay pairings.
How many studies have there been?
(Anecdotally: my wife works at a pre-school, and the one little girl who's parents were "out" lesbians was disturbing, with a hardness to her eyes and little empathy for others. But that's only one data point, and you can't extrapolate from there.)
No demonstrable harm to society occurs if gays adopt, get married
We don't, can't know that yet. Kinda like Anthropogenic Global Warming: by the time you can prove that humans cause the problem, it's too late. Or... humans didn't cause it, and the hysteria was much ado about nothing.
Building the Hoover Dam out in the middle of a desert sure did eliminate the possibility of 'development refugees'.
Your comments raise three thoughts in my mind:
Why are the Tonga so passive? Instead of remaining in the poor areas they were resettled to, why not pick up and move somewhere else, like to the cities? (For that matter, why do the Palestinians still live in refugee camps, instead of finding some place better to live?)
Funny enough, COBOL was the first comp-sci class I took in college.
Second for me. FORTRAN IV came first...
It's one of those things that make you wonder how in the hell did it gain such widespread adoption in the first place.
The/Shelly and Cashman/ COBOL textbooks were infected with the "no GOTOs, ever" disease, and it makes COBOL a really suck-ass language.
But my first programming job after Uni was in a COBOL shop, and it demonstrated how intelligent people can write really slick, well-organized apps in COBOL using procedural design that Niklaus Wirth (back when he was using Pascal) would be proud of.
(Note that they had to be easily modifiable because they drove an income tax service bureau, and so had to modified every year.)
COBOL-1985 made it even easier to use procedural principles.
no, that's socialistic...fascism would be the government under corporate control.
Are you saying that the Congress is not anything more than a puppet of Big Lobby when it's not running around spouting populist rants?
im sorry but you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Mmmm hmmmm. Sure.
I remember stagflation and the 1982 recession (a much worse era than this so-called worst time since the G.D.), the growth and corruption of the 1980s and the growth, reasonable fiscal accord that the Gingrich Republicans forced on Clinton, and the bursting tech bubble.
first read up on history: deficit spending for the purpose of economic stimulus during an economic crisis,
The Great Depression lasted for 12 years. Pre-war deficit spending did nothing to bring the country out of depression. This graph shows that what the New Deal did was stunt the economy at approx 25% of what it should have been.
Only U.S. rearmament brought US out of the recession. It would have taken us 10 more years to emerge from it without the war.
as well as government take overs of large corporations to prevent them from failing is responsible economic policy:
Which corporations did FDR's administration take over?
And where's the evidence that bailing out AIG was anything but a money pit?
it saved the economy once before.
No, it gave the people false hope. Kinda like an opiate. Of the Masses.
Oh, you mean Orwell's "Fascism - unlike communism, socialism, capitalism, or conservatism - is a smear word more often used to brand one's foes than it is a descriptor used to shed light on them."
Private enterprise, especially politically well connected enterprises, flourished under fascist control in Germany and Italy in the 1930s and 40s.
And the Administration working towards bringing large businesses under national control is definitely fascistic.
It's not about the quantity of the spending, it's the quality.
Throwing money at ACORN isn't "quality".
Diplomacy?
No, ass-kissing is not diplomacy.
OH NO! Giving people fair trial?
Guilty or innocent, people like KSM can't get a "fair trial" for the same reason that domestic spies can't get the jail time they deserve, and those rousted from their homes by the military can't get "fair trials" because they are captured by low-level soldiers/Marines 5+ years ago. No rules of evidence, chain of custody, etc, etc.
Trying to help the economy.
Mussolini made the trains run on time, and the National Socialists really pumped up the German economy.
At least Obama supports stem cell research
The US gov't paid for a lot of stem cell research during the W administration.
Well, who else is going to change your bedpan when you check into the old farts home? Would you rather have prisoners doing it?
I'd rather die of a heart attack at 70-75 than wither away in a "retirement" home.
Ronald Reagan living 10 years, until he was 93yo, with Alzheimer's should have been the perfect demonstration as to why middle-aged people shouldn't be in great physical shape.
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That's the type of bullying that makes me sick.
This, plus the scare back when pranksters put Mooninite signs all over Boston and the overt racism that has plagued the city for so long, should disabuse Yankees from any feelings of moral or intellectual superiority over the South. You're just as stupid as we are...
That's the kind of rule which people who don't want to be seen as malicious really like to promote.
If I had mod points, +1.
However, it's still valid for us non-malicious types who have inside knowledge of situations caused by incompetence (or bureaucrats acting bureaucratic) instead of the malice attributed them by outsiders.
as long as you accept that gay people have valid rights to raise families. Not agreeing on that is bigotry
What evidence do you have for that assertion?
there is no evidence whatsoever that children are harmed in gay pairings.
How many studies have there been?
(Anecdotally: my wife works at a pre-school, and the one little girl who's parents were "out" lesbians was disturbing, with a hardness to her eyes and little empathy for others. But that's only one data point, and you can't extrapolate from there.)
No demonstrable harm to society occurs if gays adopt, get married
We don't, can't know that yet. Kinda like Anthropogenic Global Warming: by the time you can prove that humans cause the problem, it's too late. Or... humans didn't cause it, and the hysteria was much ado about nothing.
And the hormone levels in a fetus are determined how?
Unknown, but (how else?) thru the umbilical cord. Google has all sorts of info on it.
Goethe and a Brit named Bernard Ingham said it way before Heinlein.
ham-fisted cataloging error
"Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence."
being gay isn't a personal preference, it's genetic.
Research indicates it more likely to be hormonal.
the Kariba dam seems like a pretty bad one.
Building the Hoover Dam out in the middle of a desert sure did eliminate the possibility of 'development refugees'.
Your comments raise three thoughts in my mind:
Funny enough, COBOL was the first comp-sci class I took in college.
Second for me. FORTRAN IV came first...
It's one of those things that make you wonder how in the hell did it gain such widespread adoption in the first place.
The /Shelly and Cashman/ COBOL textbooks were infected with the "no GOTOs, ever" disease, and it makes COBOL a really suck-ass language.
But my first programming job after Uni was in a COBOL shop, and it demonstrated how intelligent people can write really slick, well-organized apps in COBOL using procedural design that Niklaus Wirth (back when he was using Pascal) would be proud of.
(Note that they had to be easily modifiable because they drove an income tax service bureau, and so had to modified every year.)
COBOL-1985 made it even easier to use procedural principles.
Stunt means to keep something small.
The slope of the GDP line between "FDR Takes Office" and "Rearmament Begins" is greater than the "Full Normal GDP" dotted line.
But only slightly. That's why, in a portion that you snipped out, I wrote:
Hmmm lets see here, a dam built by a beaver for a beavers purposes is nature, a dam built by man for man's purposes isn't?
Yes, according to environmentalist fools.
no, that's socialistic ...fascism would be the government under corporate control.
Are you saying that the Congress is not anything more than a puppet of Big Lobby when it's not running around spouting populist rants?
im sorry but you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Mmmm hmmmm. Sure.
I remember stagflation and the 1982 recession (a much worse era than this so-called worst time since the G.D.), the growth and corruption of the 1980s and the growth, reasonable fiscal accord that the Gingrich Republicans forced on Clinton, and the bursting tech bubble.
first read up on history: deficit spending for the purpose of economic stimulus during an economic crisis,
The Great Depression lasted for 12 years. Pre-war deficit spending did nothing to bring the country out of depression. This graph shows that what the New Deal did was stunt the economy at approx 25% of what it should have been.
Only U.S. rearmament brought US out of the recession. It would have taken us 10 more years to emerge from it without the war.
as well as government take overs of large corporations to prevent them from failing is responsible economic policy:
Which corporations did FDR's administration take over?
And where's the evidence that bailing out AIG was anything but a money pit?
it saved the economy once before.
No, it gave the people false hope. Kinda like an opiate. Of the Masses.
More cost-effective?
Tied to that is practicality: you don't get much solar energy at night or during snow or dust storms.
I love nature - if mankind paid more attention to it
Mankind is of and surrounded by "nature". We can't we can't do anything *but* pay attention to nature.
Well, it doesn't take millions of years to make more when we run out.
I guess you were busy "Go Green! Hate Bush!" posters on the day in Science class where they mentioned you can't get more than 100% efficiency.
rather than its more traditional definition.
Oh, you mean Orwell's "Fascism - unlike communism, socialism, capitalism, or conservatism - is a smear word more often used to brand one's foes than it is a descriptor used to shed light on them."
Private enterprise, especially politically well connected enterprises, flourished under fascist control in Germany and Italy in the 1930s and 40s.
And the Administration working towards bringing large businesses under national control is definitely fascistic.
it's a six digit ID
Ah, you're right. I thought it was "oodaloop" (who does have a 7-digit uid) that I was replying to.
And I'm 25, so neither particularly young nor particularly old.
That's what I thought, too, when I was 25.
I think Bush, McCain, and Obama are all equally repugnant here.
Please don't think that just because I demonstrate B.O.'s "change" hypocrisy that I'm pro-Republican.
(I am mostly conservative, but have "liberal" views on quite a number of policy issues.)
The entire credit based economy is a ponzi scheme,
No, it's not.
A person has at least the same rights to roam freely about as a moose. ... Seems pretty basic to me.
It's starry-eyed Utopianism, the most destructive form of idiocy.
It's not about the quantity of the spending, it's the quality.
Throwing money at ACORN isn't "quality".
Diplomacy?
No, ass-kissing is not diplomacy.
OH NO! Giving people fair trial?
Guilty or innocent, people like KSM can't get a "fair trial" for the same reason that domestic spies can't get the jail time they deserve, and those rousted from their homes by the military can't get "fair trials" because they are captured by low-level soldiers/Marines 5+ years ago. No rules of evidence, chain of custody, etc, etc.
Trying to help the economy.
Mussolini made the trains run on time, and the National Socialists really pumped up the German economy.
At least Obama supports stem cell research
The US gov't paid for a lot of stem cell research during the W administration.
Best to get these people on the payroll to avoid a breakdown.
That sounds suspiciously like the Ponzi Scheme for which Bernie Madoff was (rightly) thrown into the hoosegow.
Well, who else is going to change your bedpan when you check into the old farts home? Would you rather have prisoners doing it?
I'd rather die of a heart attack at 70-75 than wither away in a "retirement" home.
Ronald Reagan living 10 years, until he was 93yo, with Alzheimer's should have been the perfect demonstration as to why middle-aged people shouldn't be in great physical shape.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
That's probably the most profound thought I've read this year. Who is DM?
Obama is going to fix that with amnesty and citizenship for the 20 million or so illegals in the country.
Gee, that's exactly what W tried to do.
Wow, B.O. is sooooooo much better than Bush. Woooooo Hooooooo!!!!!
Voted for Obama because despite his moronic position on this he's a vasty better person to have as president than Bush, Et al. Or McCain/Palin
Bush was certainly, um, "less than perfect", but I see nowhere that B.O. is vastly better than W.
Unless you consider "better" to mean
In which case, yes, B.O. is much better than Bush!