How's it going to protect crew (and equipment) from hard radiation? Seems to me that getting all that (lots of) extra mass to escape velocity would make it *way* more expensive than.
Would it be more practical to build a habitat in one of those caves that the Moon is supposed to have?
What's always puzzled me about CP is the practicality of the matter. ISTM that that Tab A just wouldn't fit into Slot B (and creeps me out just thinking about it).
Mars requires bigger solar panels than Earth, and a Pluto mission just requires bigger panels than a Mars mission. I'm applying the same techno hand-waving that Mars Nuts apply to mining Mars.
Certainly you understand how low-power that RTGs are, and how unlikely it is that boosting up some larger nuclear plant would be?
Incident sunlight is about 500 W/m^2, about half that at Earth's surface
So.... you're agreeing with me that it's not much.
You don't seem to be aware of it,
Sure I am.
but we have been operating a solar-powered rover on Mars for well over ten years.
Let me quote the Wikipedia article for the Spirit rover: Solar arrays generate about 140 watts for up to four hours per Martian day (sol).
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We have been maintaining human life on the space station for years
The ISS is under the Van Allan Belts. It's also frequently resupplied from Earth.
with individual stays lasting longer than the trip time to Mars.
And they're experiencing all sorts of medical problems because of it.
And once there, water and soil could be extracted.
(Gotta love the passive voice. Always a favorite of PR firms and politicians.)
With what kind of (heavy) machinery would the water and soil be extracted? And what would power it? Don't say "solar power", because the Sun appears much smaller when viewed from Mars, and thus receives much less energy.
Seeing as how there was food(*), water(**), oxygen, space to move around, gravity and protection from cosmic radiation on their voyages, your analogy is completely fucking bogus.
(*) I don't know how much they could fish on sea voyages. (**) Not so much on sea voyages.
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That's the simplistic way of saying "mass". Which is really expensive to launch.
Maybe they could build a spacestation into an asteroid that they pulled into the Lagrange point.
By the time you can afford to do that, you can also afford to launch lead and water to shield your station.
if we can get it to orbit cheaply
But that's the problem which is nowhere near being solved.
Lots of vital unreplaceable/unrepairable parts would probably be well beyond their design specification and thus prone to failure.
How's it going to protect crew (and equipment) from hard radiation? Seems to me that getting all that (lots of) extra mass to escape velocity would make it *way* more expensive than.
Would it be more practical to build a habitat in one of those caves that the Moon is supposed to have?
But the damage, the pain. And the two year olds!
Exactly. OP is confusing money grubbing tools with the scientifically illiterate.
What's always puzzled me about CP is the practicality of the matter. ISTM that that Tab A just wouldn't fit into Slot B (and creeps me out just thinking about it).
He's got a severely compromised immune system, and yet he goes to a 3rd World country.
What am I missing here?
If it was so easy to break Tor that $59,000 would get the job done
That much money in Elbonia buys a lot more than $59,000 in the US...
Laws are great, but computers get hacked, data gets stored elsewhere around the world, etc, etc.
I'm much more complex that what can be deduced from that information.
They have a *lot* of data about you, and accurately infer *lots* more from the connections you make.
I knew that lesincompetent (2836253) was mistaken when he wrote that.
Taking the moral high ground is great, but only when it conforms to reality. Otherwise, it's just B.S. posturing.
But they're selling you to 3rd parties.
IOW, if what you get is free, then you are the real product.
we actually have something like that.
Is that what France is fighting Google over?
What I want to see is a radio telescope
A telescope of any sort on the far side of the Moon would be a fantastic idea.
But if enough Astronauts haven't grown up yet then who am I to stop them?
I'll try and stop them from using my money.
Mars requires bigger solar panels than Earth, and a Pluto mission just requires bigger panels than a Mars mission. I'm applying the same techno hand-waving that Mars Nuts apply to mining Mars.
You're confusing the USD with Social Security.
The summary says "one percent interest every three days", which is nowhere near 3.6% per year.
By that logic, we can send a solar powered probe to Pluto.
Solar or nuclear, take your pick.
Certainly you understand how low-power that RTGs are, and how unlikely it is that boosting up some larger nuclear plant would be?
Incident sunlight is about 500 W/m^2, about half that at Earth's surface
So.... you're agreeing with me that it's not much.
You don't seem to be aware of it,
Sure I am.
but we have been operating a solar-powered rover on Mars for well over ten years.
Let me quote the Wikipedia article for the Spirit rover: Solar arrays generate about 140 watts for up to four hours per Martian day (sol).
We have been maintaining human life on the space station for years
The ISS is under the Van Allan Belts. It's also frequently resupplied from Earth.
with individual stays lasting longer than the trip time to Mars.
And they're experiencing all sorts of medical problems because of it.
And once there, water and soil could be extracted.
(Gotta love the passive voice. Always a favorite of PR firms and politicians.)
With what kind of (heavy) machinery would the water and soil be extracted? And what would power it? Don't say "solar power", because the Sun appears much smaller when viewed from Mars, and thus receives much less energy.
Everest, however, ...has oxygen all on its own
Excellent argument, except for that part.
Seeing as how there was food(*), water(**), oxygen, space to move around, gravity and protection from cosmic radiation on their voyages, your analogy is completely fucking bogus.
(*) I don't know how much they could fish on sea voyages.
(**) Not so much on sea voyages.