Unfortunately, you're right. Discovery, History, and a few others are pretty good. But they're pay channels. That's not stopped people in the know of Piratebay and other trackers.
However, my comment was aimed towards terrestrial channels like NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, WB.. PBS is also on the list, but usually too low power for most to actually receive. The "Big 3" always have nice high power output so that their channels are nice and crisp.
One hope is that with this digital switchover, that many people cannot figure out how to watch the new digital TeeVee, and junk their sets in place of books, hobbies, outdoor activities, and other group activities. These activities were the original reason why TeeVee was heralded: making people better at something, rather than professional chair setters. Now it's a pacifier.
For example, each state knows its citizens, and knows who pays taxes and how much. It wouldnt be hard to compile a list for each state to provide veracity of citizenship. Of course, illegals who have internal government access could theoretically add themselves, but I'd say that's too small to count.
After each state makes a list of citizens (you know, voter card lists + DMV lists + W2 from last year + other sources), then make it a requirement to check all new hires through this system. Now make this system a registered public one, where you go to the courthouse and log on a terminal with your business name and check. If you dont, it's a misdemeanor. If you happened to hire illegals without checking, felony. Of course, if you can show that you made the searches and their information was fraudulent, then the business owner is off the hook completely.
Now, our current idea to deal with, especially with illegals, is to deport them. That doesnt work. In Indianapolis, there's a ton of illegal hispanics. Because of them being illegal/undocumented, they are ripe targets for crime. They wont report it, as police will check immigration status. Instead, causing criminal proceedings with business owners is the only way to really solve this. Once jobs dry up (from no business owner willing to take a felony), the immigrants will go somewhere else.
I dont care if you're White, Hispanic, Mestizo, Asian, Indian, or whatever. If you're here illegally, get the hell off our soil. If you're here through the front door, welcome to the USA.
Well, if TeeVee does dry up, it wouldnt be that bad of a thing. TeeVee has always been the great pacifier, even though it was heralded as a unique education instrument when it was first created. Now, it has went from "wholesome shows" to "Whos your daddy" Maury Povich and other ilk.
If TeeVee was quit, people would have to turn to those things called books to get their stories. And last I heard, books are a bit cheaper to make than a TeeVee episode.
Wouldnt you know, Im Chaotic Evil. Blood War time!!!
BTW, I help people how and where to search for anything they want at any time. I do however aim them towards FOSS.. Most of the time, it works better than the pay-ware. There's a few vertical apps that dont work in Linux, but with the money you save from pirating you will spend in hardware you can virtualize it.
Given his username, I'd say there's one of the "M$" haters. We've all heard the butts of jokes. Internet Exploder, Lookout Express and the like.
Vista's truth hurts. It's slow, bloated, and overpriced for fewer features. 7 appears to fix 2 of the 3 major problems.. but some users are apt to lie regardless.
I'd agree. I had a rather nasty return on a DV6990 HP laptop. It was trash, but that's aside the point.
I went and bought a T61, all intel down to the graphics card. Better wattage drain and complete open source drivers. Ubuntu detects everything on here, with exception to the HD APS system, which I can do without (it drains batt 2w extra).
And then, I find out that Intel releases everything about their 3d system.. And because of that, Linux devs are working on a Graphical Memory Manager, called GEM. Come to find out, it only works for Intel because they're soo open. They know they sell hardware, not their drivers.
Hopefully, AMD/ATI will follow and do the same. Wonder where that leaves nVidia...
---I'm sure if you had a friend that wrote a cool new game and hadn't released it yet that you'd require compensation from them for testing it too, right?
So, if I got you right, Microsoft is your friend? Gee.. At least I know Im not _that_ screwed up.
---Some people enjoy playing with new things, even if they're not finished yet. They also like providing feedback about how to make such things better.
I sometimes enter surveys about certain products going into the market. For example, I did a survey about a certain beverage in which I was handed 18 drinks, labeled A, B, and C. I was required to fill out questions and a telephone survey. For that, I was paid 50$, plus the product.
---Just because you think you should be compensated for doing something besides posting on slashdot doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe you'd like slashdot to pay you for your posts too?
Im here because the "compensation" I get here is the knowledge from what I would consider fellow geeks. We'd call it a community. Everybody does "stuff" purely because they are compensated, regardless of money. Im here cause of the community, others develop programs because of money or fame, and people use a buggy beta commercial OS for the sake its free.
Im just questioning why we should do free work for a commercial entity, without being fairly compensated (even a license number would well suffice).
The bigger question is why you would risk your data and information on a Beta Microsoft OS.
We badmouth whenever a new file system driver comes out for Linux, stating to let the users lose their data, and we'll wait. Fair enough. However, when Microsoft releases a new Beta OS, everybody's on to it like flies onto honey. And instead of offering, say, a full license to 7 when it's out, they provide nothing for the Beta for bug testing and reporting.
Last I knew, bug testing and regression cost a lot of money. Instead, the slashdot community is providing it for free. I personally wouldnt touch it with a 10 ft pole, UNLESS I was fairly paid for my time, and provided a full license to run.
Why do Microsoft's work, and not get paid for it???
Just curious: I wonder when Microsoft will refuse future activations of XP? We're nearly to the 10 year "we quit updating it" mark. And it would put a load on buying their newest OS, with the assumed threat that you will lose your data if you dont buy MS.
My water-damaged discarded 333MHz file server has a better uptime than Google SLA provides.
They only offer at most 95% per month, MINUS pre-scheduled downtimes, and non-scheduled downtimes that are "exempt". Honestly, 90% uptime per month real. The key is that these numbers are not real, because of the possible exemptions and everything, so a real SLA is unknown.
Why does a CPU emit heat when X instructions are made? Is there a reason, or perhaps a physical law that requires X quanta of heat per Information instruction?
I read elsewhere that the waste heat is the result of doing irreversible math on the CPU, and the thrown away information convert to heat. And I saw people working on CPUs that are reversible, which could recover the energy back out of them (minus negligible running costs).
Is that just pie in the sky academic research, or a viable path for CPUs to eventually go?
Well, about the quotes: I hate web forums with a passion, because of my extensive usage of Usenet. Second, I hate HTML. That tends to go back to html-sending nntp clients.
---You've said that, but you haven't explained how. Do you think for some reasons the rules of the market don't apply to intellectual property? If so, why not? How are markets for intellectual property fundamentally different? Since these laws have applied to intellectual property in the past, even if there is a reason for them not to apply, MS still violated the law when they did it and refused to follow the same rules as everyone else, so they would still need to be punished to be fair, no?
Back when browsers were made for profit, Microsoft did infringe. That resulted in the death knell of Netscape, and other browser companies.
But then I'll argue what is the boundary to an operating system? Is it the kernel? Is it the basic drivers? Filesystems? Commandline tools? Gui environment? Window manager? Administration accessories? Basic tools like text editor and calculator? Network tools? Office suites? Network applications? Graphic, audio, and video editors?
Where's the boundary? By your argument, even one extra tool kills a segment, and should never be allowed. That's gobbledegook. So if there's a new protocol or something, we should actively prevent Microsoft from entering because of a monopoly? Now, the second they prevent a 3rd party program from RUNNING, yeah, bust their ass for anticompetition. But aside that, anybody can hop online, download their favorite client (pay or free), and use it on MS operating systems.
And to the argument that Microsoft is no longer a monopoly: I can download, legally for free, a network operating system that can handle all server duties, client duties, open nearly all MS file formats, run MS executables, join MS networks, and share it with anybody I wish. The only restriction is that if I develop using code from these projects, that I make the code freely available.
These interworking systems have took down the price of said software to approach 0$. Apache vs IIS, Postgres/MySQL vs Oracle (low end), XWindows vs Citrix, BIND vs MS DNS server, NFS/Samba vs Windows Server file sharing, WINE vs Windows API, and more. It's to the point that I can run Linux, log into another WINE application server, display Windows APPS via WINE over SSH. I used no MS libraries or software, but succeeded in using.exe's over a Linux network to display remotely Windows programs.
It leads me to believe that the only reason MS is still considered a monopoly is that people choose MSWindows, not the theoretical situation of the State mandated power company handing out "free bottled water". Choice is the factor that makes a monopoly position. There's choice at "Free", "Declared Monopoly", and "Expensive". Tells me there's not one any more.
Talk about an uncoordinated block of text. Aside from grammar-nazism..
---Yes dumping clothes does destroy any chance of a market economy based on selling clothing. ---We are instead trying to stop them from being subsistent by giving them free time that they would be spending on making their own clothes.
So, are they destroying the economy, or "giving them free time"?
Everybody has a niche, and from many people make a community. From that, commerce. If you kill of segments of the community by freebie stuff (like clothes and low technology goods), you then make them wait for the next batch of freebies.
Do you want to do something to HELP the Africans and other displaced and/or disheveled peoples? Educate them. Then open trade.
---Subsistence living is the real natural enemy of capitalism as no company is able to exist without massive government support.
That doesnt make sense. The only reason to work is to pay taxes on land, houses, and other forms of taxation that does not pay for itself. I can grow my own fruits and vegetables, along with raising a few chicken and duck. I can be a poor small farmer, but plenty of food to eat, milk to drink, and work to be done around the farmstead. I might only need basic equipment that needs low amount of maintenance, and group together in a close knit community.
I just described the Amish, who live here in Northern Indiana, and around Greensburg, IN. There's subsistence living, with an active close knit community.
If there is an enemy of Capitalism, it is the adherents of Capitalism, and their associated greed. Capitalism only ferments retaliation and adversity, which is its downfall. We instead, need a system that helps each other, but still friendly competes. Perhaps you would call that Communism, or something else entirely. But that "Ill never help you, regardless the help it will do for me" line of thought will be the final downfall.
---But you are creating a theoretical economy that does not exist and could not exist in that culture.
Theoretical? The Google Videos and TV documentaries on PBS had the very Africans we were helping telling us to "Quit giving". Their economies are terribly fragile, but are growing. Dumping products re-ruin their economy, whether it be clothing, water pumps, farm equipment, or other stuff they have no idea how to replace or repair. You can say it's a figment of my imagination, but go watch the docu's yourself. You can search Google; go do it.
---Have you used an XO? No one in any sort of industrial nation should want one.
Nope. I do want one though. Their screen is amazing, as is the mesh networking. And they are very durable. The eee's, which I have a 8g 701 eee is none of the 3.
---There is no market except the free one.
Wrong. There are 3 markets. 2 are controllable and one is not. 1. Public market 2. Government market 3. Black market
---If these people have the ability to purchase even an Asus EEEPC, they will choose that over the XO.
Even when XO had the "Give One, Get One", which brought the price to ~400$, rich US citizens still chose to buy over laptops of the similar price. Is it status? Possibly, but people were willing to pay double to own one. The facts discount your "hypothesis".
A trite saying doesnt lessen the impact of the situation.
A man has less to no rights while a woman has many rights in terms of "sperm hits egg" to "baby pops out". And even then, a woman is shielded from extra offenses in certain states.
The Constitution demands equality between sexes. Right now, there isnt any.
me---I could argue and say that due to the boom of the internet, FTP, POP3, SMTP, HTTP, NNTP and others are protocols that an OS should provide basic services for.
I should have completed my thought. We have how many, perhaps 10 extremely popular and well used ports that represent vital services on the Internet. Shouldnt part of a Network Operating System (yeah, old vernacular) be part of providing tools that allow access and use via those ports? Isn't that what puts "Network" in Network Operating System?
These days, you need a web browser to go download, or even search where to download a web browser. Gopher is gone, as are all similar services. Search is care of Google, Altavista, Lycos, and friends; all who have no analogue to search other than HTTP (no simple analog: email search is still possible).
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me---How else, especially in todays Internet, do you get a web browser if you dont understand commandline ftp? Or for that matter, find the server that hosts it?
you---You seem to have jumped ahead from MS's actions to being an abuse to discussion about the merits of potential remedies. One could just as well ask how does one use an OS that doesn't come bundled with a monitor. You can't even install it by sound. I'm just not sure what this really has to do with the discussion at hand.
What? If we go back to before IE, or perhaps before Winsock, what good would that do for the user? I remember Trumpet who sold their IP stack along with what I consider basic internet tools. There was also Mosaic, which you needed a gopher client and an ftp client to get. During Win95, they included IE and Winsock. Yeah, it was a monopoly which killed Trumpet and eventually Netscape, but it goes down to the core question: "What software should an OS provide? When is bundling extra software considered illegally utilizing a monopoly?"
you--- Paraphrased about influence upon top execs in the computer industry.
Lets look at Asus now. When they made their netbook, what was their first choice in OS? Linux. Linux potentially costs 0$, until you hire people to make customized installs, which Asus did. And that cost was, Im guessing, nil. Instead, MS exerted little/no influence. Its customers did, by requesting what they were already familiar with, and that was Windows. However with the netbook segment booming, MS decided to lower its prices to "be competitive with" Linux.
If that's not a sign that MS had to bow to competitive pressures, as in NOT A MONOPOLY, I dont know what is.
you---MS isn't the champion of capitalism, seeing as monopoly abuse is anti-capitalism. In any case, they simply have to make a better product at a better price. They seem to be doing fairly well so far. In any case, this isn't about MS maintaining their monopoly against Linux. This is about the Web browser market.
I know that a monopoly is more close to anti-capitalism, but as I said above it being software changes the whole argument. And no, simply making a better product at a better price is impossible unless MS offers software for free.
Just as we saw back in '00, web browsers are approaching commodity. I'd say they are now 100% commodity. Firefox is free. Chrome is free. Safari is free. Konqueror is free. Even Opera, which was one of those holdouts for charging, is now free (except in weird markets like handhelds and game systems). And for anybody to claim that IE is NOW an extension for bundling is laughable and non-existent. It was, back in 95-98. That was 10 years ago.
The bigger fear, is not just web browsers, but the whole OS is time for commoditization. We expect web browsers, mail clients, file managers, media players, compression tools, network tools, document editing suite, image manipulation and categorization suite, IM program, and other lower tools that come in handy at times. Microsoft would be fined if they provided these from their professional side. For that matter, even their 500$ Ultimate edition comes with about none of these.
If women have the ability to abort what is only half their genetic material, then the men who shared that must also have a way to "abort", like relinquishing all parental rights completely.
Safe haven laws also do the same. Women have more power over "babies" then the men do, and that practice should stop. As of now, women should have equal power over the children as men do. The only court case to show as such was a mockery of "pay your due, Man".
I believe that tow things are keeping these countries of people back. 1. Bad government. 2. Us "donating" goods, hereby destroying what commerce they had before said dumping.
Any country run by corrupt and/or bad government is going to stay bad and corrupt until the people rise up and stop it. Before that, you'll have pockets of people who do make a living, albeit barely, until the government demands tax. Then its the beginning all over again.
And about the donation of goods: I saw a few documentaries on local TV and GoogleVids proclaiming that donation is also hurting them severely. When you dump 100 ton of clothes, you ruin any chance of making money in textiles. Same in any other industry, except this monopoly is done in good faith. Honestly, buying African made goods would bring them out of poverty rather fast. But their government wouldnt let them do that.
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Unfortunately, you're right. Discovery, History, and a few others are pretty good. But they're pay channels. That's not stopped people in the know of Piratebay and other trackers.
However, my comment was aimed towards terrestrial channels like NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, WB.. PBS is also on the list, but usually too low power for most to actually receive. The "Big 3" always have nice high power output so that their channels are nice and crisp.
One hope is that with this digital switchover, that many people cannot figure out how to watch the new digital TeeVee, and junk their sets in place of books, hobbies, outdoor activities, and other group activities. These activities were the original reason why TeeVee was heralded: making people better at something, rather than professional chair setters. Now it's a pacifier.
There's a few answers one could do.
For example, each state knows its citizens, and knows who pays taxes and how much. It wouldnt be hard to compile a list for each state to provide veracity of citizenship. Of course, illegals who have internal government access could theoretically add themselves, but I'd say that's too small to count.
After each state makes a list of citizens (you know, voter card lists + DMV lists + W2 from last year + other sources), then make it a requirement to check all new hires through this system. Now make this system a registered public one, where you go to the courthouse and log on a terminal with your business name and check. If you dont, it's a misdemeanor. If you happened to hire illegals without checking, felony. Of course, if you can show that you made the searches and their information was fraudulent, then the business owner is off the hook completely.
Now, our current idea to deal with, especially with illegals, is to deport them. That doesnt work. In Indianapolis, there's a ton of illegal hispanics. Because of them being illegal/undocumented, they are ripe targets for crime. They wont report it, as police will check immigration status. Instead, causing criminal proceedings with business owners is the only way to really solve this. Once jobs dry up (from no business owner willing to take a felony), the immigrants will go somewhere else.
I dont care if you're White, Hispanic, Mestizo, Asian, Indian, or whatever. If you're here illegally, get the hell off our soil. If you're here through the front door, welcome to the USA.
Well, if TeeVee does dry up, it wouldnt be that bad of a thing. TeeVee has always been the great pacifier, even though it was heralded as a unique education instrument when it was first created. Now, it has went from "wholesome shows" to "Whos your daddy" Maury Povich and other ilk.
If TeeVee was quit, people would have to turn to those things called books to get their stories. And last I heard, books are a bit cheaper to make than a TeeVee episode.
Lawful Evil, eh?
Wouldnt you know, Im Chaotic Evil. Blood War time!!!
BTW, I help people how and where to search for anything they want at any time. I do however aim them towards FOSS.. Most of the time, it works better than the pay-ware. There's a few vertical apps that dont work in Linux, but with the money you save from pirating you will spend in hardware you can virtualize it.
By the way, here's the link: http://rapidshare.com/files/86824084/freakonomics.pdf
Now YOU can read it to see if the article is right.
All the better to be corrected by someone who _knows_ :)
(i read your sig)
Much appreciated.
I'd say this whole article is made of FAIL.
Bad links. Bad sites. IM SP33K. And if you search for "Dick and Jane"..
Not cool.
Good job on the link.
"One More Story" != http://news.slashdot.org/&%238221;http://www.onemorestory.com/tour/ontour.html&%238221;
Given his username, I'd say there's one of the "M$" haters. We've all heard the butts of jokes. Internet Exploder, Lookout Express and the like.
Vista's truth hurts. It's slow, bloated, and overpriced for fewer features. 7 appears to fix 2 of the 3 major problems.. but some users are apt to lie regardless.
I'd agree. I had a rather nasty return on a DV6990 HP laptop. It was trash, but that's aside the point.
I went and bought a T61, all intel down to the graphics card. Better wattage drain and complete open source drivers. Ubuntu detects everything on here, with exception to the HD APS system, which I can do without (it drains batt 2w extra).
And then, I find out that Intel releases everything about their 3d system.. And because of that, Linux devs are working on a Graphical Memory Manager, called GEM. Come to find out, it only works for Intel because they're soo open. They know they sell hardware, not their drivers.
Hopefully, AMD/ATI will follow and do the same. Wonder where that leaves nVidia...
---I'm sure if you had a friend that wrote a cool new game and hadn't released it yet that you'd require compensation from them for testing it too, right?
So, if I got you right, Microsoft is your friend? Gee.. At least I know Im not _that_ screwed up.
---Some people enjoy playing with new things, even if they're not finished yet. They also like providing feedback about how to make such things better.
I sometimes enter surveys about certain products going into the market. For example, I did a survey about a certain beverage in which I was handed 18 drinks, labeled A, B, and C. I was required to fill out questions and a telephone survey. For that, I was paid 50$, plus the product.
---Just because you think you should be compensated for doing something besides posting on slashdot doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe you'd like slashdot to pay you for your posts too?
Im here because the "compensation" I get here is the knowledge from what I would consider fellow geeks. We'd call it a community. Everybody does "stuff" purely because they are compensated, regardless of money. Im here cause of the community, others develop programs because of money or fame, and people use a buggy beta commercial OS for the sake its free.
Im just questioning why we should do free work for a commercial entity, without being fairly compensated (even a license number would well suffice).
The bigger question is why you would risk your data and information on a Beta Microsoft OS.
We badmouth whenever a new file system driver comes out for Linux, stating to let the users lose their data, and we'll wait. Fair enough. However, when Microsoft releases a new Beta OS, everybody's on to it like flies onto honey. And instead of offering, say, a full license to 7 when it's out, they provide nothing for the Beta for bug testing and reporting.
Last I knew, bug testing and regression cost a lot of money. Instead, the slashdot community is providing it for free. I personally wouldnt touch it with a 10 ft pole, UNLESS I was fairly paid for my time, and provided a full license to run.
Why do Microsoft's work, and not get paid for it???
Just curious: I wonder when Microsoft will refuse future activations of XP? We're nearly to the 10 year "we quit updating it" mark. And it would put a load on buying their newest OS, with the assumed threat that you will lose your data if you dont buy MS.
My water-damaged discarded 333MHz file server has a better uptime than Google SLA provides.
They only offer at most 95% per month, MINUS pre-scheduled downtimes, and non-scheduled downtimes that are "exempt". Honestly, 90% uptime per month real. The key is that these numbers are not real, because of the possible exemptions and everything, so a real SLA is unknown.
Have you read the story by Marshall Brain called "Story of Manna".
Here's the link. It's as you say, but in a fiction story, buy oh soo true.
Why does a CPU emit heat when X instructions are made? Is there a reason, or perhaps a physical law that requires X quanta of heat per Information instruction?
I read elsewhere that the waste heat is the result of doing irreversible math on the CPU, and the thrown away information convert to heat. And I saw people working on CPUs that are reversible, which could recover the energy back out of them (minus negligible running costs).
Is that just pie in the sky academic research, or a viable path for CPUs to eventually go?
Well, about the quotes: I hate web forums with a passion, because of my extensive usage of Usenet. Second, I hate HTML. That tends to go back to html-sending nntp clients.
---You've said that, but you haven't explained how. Do you think for some reasons the rules of the market don't apply to intellectual property? If so, why not? How are markets for intellectual property fundamentally different? Since these laws have applied to intellectual property in the past, even if there is a reason for them not to apply, MS still violated the law when they did it and refused to follow the same rules as everyone else, so they would still need to be punished to be fair, no?
Back when browsers were made for profit, Microsoft did infringe. That resulted in the death knell of Netscape, and other browser companies.
But then I'll argue what is the boundary to an operating system? Is it the kernel? Is it the basic drivers? Filesystems? Commandline tools? Gui environment? Window manager? Administration accessories? Basic tools like text editor and calculator? Network tools? Office suites? Network applications? Graphic, audio, and video editors?
Where's the boundary? By your argument, even one extra tool kills a segment, and should never be allowed. That's gobbledegook. So if there's a new protocol or something, we should actively prevent Microsoft from entering because of a monopoly? Now, the second they prevent a 3rd party program from RUNNING, yeah, bust their ass for anticompetition. But aside that, anybody can hop online, download their favorite client (pay or free), and use it on MS operating systems.
And to the argument that Microsoft is no longer a monopoly: I can download, legally for free, a network operating system that can handle all server duties, client duties, open nearly all MS file formats, run MS executables, join MS networks, and share it with anybody I wish. The only restriction is that if I develop using code from these projects, that I make the code freely available.
These interworking systems have took down the price of said software to approach 0$. Apache vs IIS, Postgres/MySQL vs Oracle (low end), XWindows vs Citrix, BIND vs MS DNS server, NFS/Samba vs Windows Server file sharing, WINE vs Windows API, and more. It's to the point that I can run Linux, log into another WINE application server, display Windows APPS via WINE over SSH. I used no MS libraries or software, but succeeded in using .exe's over a Linux network to display remotely Windows programs.
It leads me to believe that the only reason MS is still considered a monopoly is that people choose MSWindows, not the theoretical situation of the State mandated power company handing out "free bottled water". Choice is the factor that makes a monopoly position. There's choice at "Free", "Declared Monopoly", and "Expensive". Tells me there's not one any more.
Talk about an uncoordinated block of text. Aside from grammar-nazism..
---Yes dumping clothes does destroy any chance of a market economy based on selling clothing.
---We are instead trying to stop them from being subsistent by giving them free time that they would be spending on making their own clothes.
So, are they destroying the economy, or "giving them free time"?
Everybody has a niche, and from many people make a community. From that, commerce. If you kill of segments of the community by freebie stuff (like clothes and low technology goods), you then make them wait for the next batch of freebies.
Do you want to do something to HELP the Africans and other displaced and/or disheveled peoples? Educate them. Then open trade.
---Subsistence living is the real natural enemy of capitalism as no company is able to exist without massive government support.
That doesnt make sense. The only reason to work is to pay taxes on land, houses, and other forms of taxation that does not pay for itself. I can grow my own fruits and vegetables, along with raising a few chicken and duck. I can be a poor small farmer, but plenty of food to eat, milk to drink, and work to be done around the farmstead. I might only need basic equipment that needs low amount of maintenance, and group together in a close knit community.
I just described the Amish, who live here in Northern Indiana, and around Greensburg, IN. There's subsistence living, with an active close knit community.
If there is an enemy of Capitalism, it is the adherents of Capitalism, and their associated greed. Capitalism only ferments retaliation and adversity, which is its downfall. We instead, need a system that helps each other, but still friendly competes. Perhaps you would call that Communism, or something else entirely. But that "Ill never help you, regardless the help it will do for me" line of thought will be the final downfall.
---But you are creating a theoretical economy that does not exist and could not exist in that culture.
Theoretical? The Google Videos and TV documentaries on PBS had the very Africans we were helping telling us to "Quit giving". Their economies are terribly fragile, but are growing. Dumping products re-ruin their economy, whether it be clothing, water pumps, farm equipment, or other stuff they have no idea how to replace or repair. You can say it's a figment of my imagination, but go watch the docu's yourself. You can search Google; go do it.
---Have you used an XO? No one in any sort of industrial nation should want one.
Nope. I do want one though. Their screen is amazing, as is the mesh networking. And they are very durable. The eee's, which I have a 8g 701 eee is none of the 3.
---There is no market except the free one.
Wrong. There are 3 markets. 2 are controllable and one is not.
1. Public market
2. Government market
3. Black market
---If these people have the ability to purchase even an Asus EEEPC, they will choose that over the XO.
Even when XO had the "Give One, Get One", which brought the price to ~400$, rich US citizens still chose to buy over laptops of the similar price. Is it status? Possibly, but people were willing to pay double to own one. The facts discount your "hypothesis".
Oh, look at that lovely blue hue.
A trite saying doesnt lessen the impact of the situation.
A man has less to no rights while a woman has many rights in terms of "sperm hits egg" to "baby pops out". And even then, a woman is shielded from extra offenses in certain states.
The Constitution demands equality between sexes. Right now, there isnt any.
me---I could argue and say that due to the boom of the internet, FTP, POP3, SMTP, HTTP, NNTP and others are protocols that an OS should provide basic services for.
I should have completed my thought. We have how many, perhaps 10 extremely popular and well used ports that represent vital services on the Internet. Shouldnt part of a Network Operating System (yeah, old vernacular) be part of providing tools that allow access and use via those ports? Isn't that what puts "Network" in Network Operating System?
These days, you need a web browser to go download, or even search where to download a web browser. Gopher is gone, as are all similar services. Search is care of Google, Altavista, Lycos, and friends; all who have no analogue to search other than HTTP (no simple analog: email search is still possible).
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me---How else, especially in todays Internet, do you get a web browser if you dont understand commandline ftp? Or for that matter, find the server that hosts it?
you---You seem to have jumped ahead from MS's actions to being an abuse to discussion about the merits of potential remedies. One could just as well ask how does one use an OS that doesn't come bundled with a monitor. You can't even install it by sound. I'm just not sure what this really has to do with the discussion at hand.
What? If we go back to before IE, or perhaps before Winsock, what good would that do for the user? I remember Trumpet who sold their IP stack along with what I consider basic internet tools. There was also Mosaic, which you needed a gopher client and an ftp client to get. During Win95, they included IE and Winsock. Yeah, it was a monopoly which killed Trumpet and eventually Netscape, but it goes down to the core question: "What software should an OS provide? When is bundling extra software considered illegally utilizing a monopoly?"
you--- Paraphrased about influence upon top execs in the computer industry.
Lets look at Asus now. When they made their netbook, what was their first choice in OS? Linux. Linux potentially costs 0$, until you hire people to make customized installs, which Asus did. And that cost was, Im guessing, nil. Instead, MS exerted little/no influence. Its customers did, by requesting what they were already familiar with, and that was Windows. However with the netbook segment booming, MS decided to lower its prices to "be competitive with" Linux.
If that's not a sign that MS had to bow to competitive pressures, as in NOT A MONOPOLY, I dont know what is.
you---MS isn't the champion of capitalism, seeing as monopoly abuse is anti-capitalism. In any case, they simply have to make a better product at a better price. They seem to be doing fairly well so far. In any case, this isn't about MS maintaining their monopoly against Linux. This is about the Web browser market.
I know that a monopoly is more close to anti-capitalism, but as I said above it being software changes the whole argument. And no, simply making a better product at a better price is impossible unless MS offers software for free.
Just as we saw back in '00, web browsers are approaching commodity. I'd say they are now 100% commodity. Firefox is free. Chrome is free. Safari is free. Konqueror is free. Even Opera, which was one of those holdouts for charging, is now free (except in weird markets like handhelds and game systems). And for anybody to claim that IE is NOW an extension for bundling is laughable and non-existent. It was, back in 95-98. That was 10 years ago.
The bigger fear, is not just web browsers, but the whole OS is time for commoditization. We expect web browsers, mail clients, file managers, media players, compression tools, network tools, document editing suite, image manipulation and categorization suite, IM program, and other lower tools that come in handy at times. Microsoft would be fined if they provided these from their professional side. For that matter, even their 500$ Ultimate edition comes with about none of these.
Instead, we see Mac and Linux both
If women have the ability to abort what is only half their genetic material, then the men who shared that must also have a way to "abort", like relinquishing all parental rights completely.
Safe haven laws also do the same. Women have more power over "babies" then the men do, and that practice should stop. As of now, women should have equal power over the children as men do. The only court case to show as such was a mockery of "pay your due, Man".
And I looooooove IE6, Dubya, and I hates teh Apples! Go Pollution!
And thats where some of us argue.
I believe that tow things are keeping these countries of people back.
1. Bad government.
2. Us "donating" goods, hereby destroying what commerce they had before said dumping.
Any country run by corrupt and/or bad government is going to stay bad and corrupt until the people rise up and stop it. Before that, you'll have pockets of people who do make a living, albeit barely, until the government demands tax. Then its the beginning all over again.
And about the donation of goods: I saw a few documentaries on local TV and GoogleVids proclaiming that donation is also hurting them severely. When you dump 100 ton of clothes, you ruin any chance of making money in textiles. Same in any other industry, except this monopoly is done in good faith. Honestly, buying African made goods would bring them out of poverty rather fast. But their government wouldnt let them do that.
It seems what he's saying is that Linux might be the excuse to get Microsoft to be non-monopolized.
The only real way to compete with free is free. And MS cant do that.