At our local mall, there's a survey and opinion company in the corner. They ask mall-goers for surveys based upon demographics and other information told by their clients (like Coca-cola, Pepsi ola, and others).
I've been asked about 8 times. I cannot discuss what was reviewed by myself, because of NDA. However, I received payment from 25$ to 75$ for said reviews. I also provided accurate demographic information, along with the proper write-ups.
I sold my privacy for a pretty penny. In some cases, I later bought some nice hardware for my computer. Why should I give it away when it is seeked and compensated for fairly?
Well, most of my dealings are with GP's. The sad fact is that one can read up online about a specific "fuzzy ailment" and almost always get drugs for it. And in the case of my mom, when her mom died, they tried to order Wellbutrin. The problem was the grieving process, and that doc wanted nothing to do with that.
The bad part is when you know something and the doctor doesnt believe you, or ignores it. I know my body better than anybody else, and know when weird thing's are happening. And to how our legal system is set up, it's illegal to self-medicate.
I guess when I pay for service in a certain industry, I expect that they would know more about what they do than I would. I'm just an electrical engineering student who after studying on normal websites and going through medical journals (via Indiana University med school's vpn), am more knowledgeable than the very doctor who I am seeing. They're just the troll you have to see to get the proper drugs.
Now, in all honesty, I do believe that no drugs should be restricted in any way, with the exception of 1: antibiotics. Antibiotics usage only shows after a long term, we have cases of resistant strains that none of our current drugs can kill. We've had MRSA, and now we're getting resistant TB and AIDS, along with many others.
Hence, I order online from Europe (since US drugs have been shown equal incidence of fake substance) and provide no doctors signature or fake when I have to. The European prices are also more reasonable as they negotiate better prices with the US drug companies, unlike us who have no real health system to speak of. In cases of pain management, stockpiling and offers to buy from other people are the best. I have no full time access to a chemical assay, and will not trust street drugs.
Yeah, I self medicate because I have a deep distrust against many doctors (i dont know you, and make no judgment about you). I have an extensive understanding of chemistry, including synthesizing some interesting compounds, along with a working knowledge in biochemistry.
And if I have questions, I can search within scholar.google.com using my school's permission to med journals. I'm sure some of what I do is illegal, but it's for my personal benefit, and frankly I'll do with my own body as I please.
What would be rather nice is if there was a Questions site on medical knowledge in which questions were like 5$ per. I could ask my questions and get better answers than what some of my research contains.
And real piracy is also coming to a rise around the Nigeria area. Turns out, we in the USA a long ago solved much of the iracy issues by taking our Navy near the shore of pirate dens and shelled them with cannons.
Have you thought about playing dumb and reporting that as a bug to their tech support?
Or... is installing MySQL out of the question? I hate to ask it, but a script to dump data into the MySQL database would be kind of handy. Still, querying and inspecting rf data should be a requirement on a spectroscope.
And btw, what I wouldnt do for even a 10MHz 16bit 'scope.
---it's not like the program is going to self destruct.
And you dont think if they could miraculously do that, they wouldnt?
Look at Steam. I wonder what will happen when Steam is offline for good? Oh, probably the same thing that happened with PlaysForSure from MS. One must plan fo rthe worst because these companies will be guaranteed to do the worst.
---they are simply not selling any NEW copies.
And they deny us our First Sale doctrine rights be wrapping EULA's around them. After all, how do you expect a 80k family do deal with a lawsuit against say.. MS?You're just going to bend over and do what they say, regardless who is legally right.
---the ones out there continue to work and will be self maintained just like most things.
Self-maintained? How about bug patches? How about maintenance on non-working parts? Without the source code, one can only half-ass fix it.
---If i want to "extend" the software with new features, I can buy the new version.
In the cases of XP to Vista, features were removed. One needs the business "license" of Vista to do fax stuff, when nigh every prior version of Windows did faxing just fine. there's also DRM, which one pays for in CPU time and memory.
---just like i can pay a programmer to do it for me.
Hmm. So MS is no longer selling Win3.1 . I wonder if you can buy the source code from them for a company-wide license to implement proper bugfixes and other maintenance issues? Get back to me on that one, ok?
In the criminal law, theft (also known as stealing or filching) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. As a term, it is used as shorthand for all major crimes against property, encompassing offences such as burglary, embezzlement, larceny, looting, robbery, mugging, trespassing, shoplifting, intrusion, fraud (theft by deception) and sometimes criminal conversion. In some jurisdictions, theft is considered to be synonymous with larceny; in others, theft has replaced larceny.
There is no such thing as Intuhlektual Property anyways. I know of copyrights, patents, and trademarks. And unless you steal physical media (tape backup or CDs) it's NOT THEFT. In fact stealing a CD from Wal-mart is not copyright infringing because the "license" travels with the media.
Frankly, you sound like a moron. With that "IP theft is theft" quite easily being proved wrong, you have proved your stupidity.
Would you consider an OS that costs nothing and is freely changeable a significant contribution? That OS can be scaled from a cell phone to a mainframe.
The kernel itself is a valuable object of studying, along with being "enterprise quality".
Then we have various encryption research being done, Stego research being done, testbed for designing file systems, basic control of the computer environment, and the rights to do almost whatever we please.
If you want to argue Law, this isn't the place. That would be Groklaw. That aside...
I was inquiring about the purpose of copyright and how it is supposed to encourage the sciences and the arts.
---The only thing wrong with copyright law is it's time limits a work gets protection for. The original intention was for a creator to have a limited time when he controls the work. That time is now far too long. You should be protesting that, not the foundations of the law because it's actually a good and appropriate one.
Copyright and patent was founded as the "best thing" when compared to the European Guild system of secret knowledge and hidden techniques. Mechanical devices to copy were rather scarce when those concepts were implemented in the USA. And if I remember correctly, the President himself signed off on patents as head of the Executive branch.
Now, we have excessive copyright terms and a who-gives-a-shit patent office that signs off on everything, no matter how silly. And no matter how intelligent the founders, we still have a guild system with guilds that cooperate and have non-aggression pacts: Corporations.
---If you change the law to get what you want, you are reducign the rights of the origonal creator and frankly no one should support that. Copyright has it's place.
You fail to understand. Copyright does 0 for non-holders. Copyright with GPL license does X for non-holders. What promotes the sciences and arts more? That is my root question, which you put aside with legal rhetoric. I'm not a lawyer nor do I intend to be one. The Constitution makes the reasoning behind Patents and Copyright well stated.
---And if I dont want to have you copy my work, tough shit for you. Wait until the terms expire.
Unfortunately for you, that's NOT how it works these days. That's how the law works, but the users on Piratebay, Kazaa, and the former Napster have weighed in on their vote. When some might see as a simple money-grab, I see as a massive form of civil disobedience. In the heyday of Napster, there were more users on the service at one time than voted in that presidential election.
When it comes down to it, these people want profit for us sharing with our friends. We were told to share and be friendly when we were young. Do what you can to help friends in need and in want. Now, companies wish us to stop cooperating in sharing so they get fatter wallets. Screw them.
---Or connvince me to allow copying.
Convince me that you're worth any money. You can either be good and request money, or be a dictator and demand money. However, that demand route isnt going rather well.
One goes to the store and buys software. First Sale doctrine, right? Nope, you have to agree to arbitrary terms listed on the disc after you open it. After all, if you opened it, you must have copied it.
Many times, these softwares have protections to make installing your software harder, if not impossible (in cases of Starforce and other protections). After this, the only real way to gain resolution for getting your money back is to sue. And you probably wont get your money (hard to extract money out of a company in another state).
Say, things go alright afterward. I had this very problem with a client who used Quickbooks and had their database "fail". When you call tech support, they want 100$ or some ransom money to fix their product. In actuality, they have "secret codes" to activate simple things like database verification and data integrity. You download nothing. Instead, you pay yet more money to fix an intentionally broken and incomplete product. No amount of money is ever enough.
And near the end of life, we do know that software gets "old" because these companies make new software and abandon the old. But really, do the bits expire and rot to the point of no return? Nope. The companies want a continual revenue stream which they can rebuild the basic interface and re-sell as a completely new product.
And, after the product is removed from the "market", these companies still hold an iron grip on their copyrights. Why, for example does MS not allow donated copies of Windows 95? There were a few groups who were setting poorer people with computers using Win95 until MS said it was against their EULA.
Once you buy in to this type of software, one stays on their land with their permission until eliminated(whoops there goes your license key). You as the serf cannot sell your piece, nor can you do much else not specifically ordained by the Manor.
Sounds like Serfdom to me, minus the part of we people having a choice to never go there to begin with. That choice is Free Software. Stallman is right.
Actually, I could argue that licenses like the GPL allow for more rights than are granted under copyright law.
I'd use this fact by saying that longer terms on licenses that grant MORE rights to everybody would be justified in "promoting the sciences and arts". After all, all derivative works (which are expressly allowed, unlike copyright) must be under the same terms, thus promoting arts and sciences.
More restrictive licenses associated to copyrights should have less time because they benefit fewer people.
It'd be interesting to run a study to see if that is true.
And it goes to show that Stallman is inevitably right.
There's no reason why bits "rot". The only reason is because that software is closed source, and the ONE company ordained to maintain it refuses to do so. This isn't a problem in Free Software, where anybody can pay a programmer to maintain it to X date, regardless if the original creator is long dead (or imprisoned).
This isnt just aimed towards old unmaintained versions of Windows, but also aimed at every piece of code anybody uses that is not documented and opened. If it's closed source, the user is a serf.
I dont argue with trolls. That's why I didnt feed my freak.
Pedantic: this supposed generator uses wind turbines to capture flowing air from heat gradient from solar radiation. Pretty much a hybrid air/solar generator. Once it's built, it evidently provides the similar gradient no matter the temperature, so it provides roughly constant power. That's nice.
What about upright wind tunnels? They build a big structure a mile tall with plastic tarps 10ft above the surface for a few miles radius.
Air warms up under the tarp and goes up the tunnel. Estimates put power at around 500 MW. It was a project around Australia somewhere but it was cut to 1/2 mile for some reason (I dont know).
Slashdot Mirror
Precisely the point.
At our local mall, there's a survey and opinion company in the corner. They ask mall-goers for surveys based upon demographics and other information told by their clients (like Coca-cola, Pepsi ola, and others).
I've been asked about 8 times. I cannot discuss what was reviewed by myself, because of NDA. However, I received payment from 25$ to 75$ for said reviews. I also provided accurate demographic information, along with the proper write-ups.
I sold my privacy for a pretty penny. In some cases, I later bought some nice hardware for my computer. Why should I give it away when it is seeked and compensated for fairly?
Well, most of my dealings are with GP's. The sad fact is that one can read up online about a specific "fuzzy ailment" and almost always get drugs for it. And in the case of my mom, when her mom died, they tried to order Wellbutrin. The problem was the grieving process, and that doc wanted nothing to do with that.
The bad part is when you know something and the doctor doesnt believe you, or ignores it. I know my body better than anybody else, and know when weird thing's are happening. And to how our legal system is set up, it's illegal to self-medicate.
I guess when I pay for service in a certain industry, I expect that they would know more about what they do than I would. I'm just an electrical engineering student who after studying on normal websites and going through medical journals (via Indiana University med school's vpn), am more knowledgeable than the very doctor who I am seeing. They're just the troll you have to see to get the proper drugs.
Now, in all honesty, I do believe that no drugs should be restricted in any way, with the exception of 1: antibiotics. Antibiotics usage only shows after a long term, we have cases of resistant strains that none of our current drugs can kill. We've had MRSA, and now we're getting resistant TB and AIDS, along with many others.
Hence, I order online from Europe (since US drugs have been shown equal incidence of fake substance) and provide no doctors signature or fake when I have to. The European prices are also more reasonable as they negotiate better prices with the US drug companies, unlike us who have no real health system to speak of. In cases of pain management, stockpiling and offers to buy from other people are the best. I have no full time access to a chemical assay, and will not trust street drugs.
I guess FTP isnt good enough for you?
Yeah, I self medicate because I have a deep distrust against many doctors (i dont know you, and make no judgment about you). I have an extensive understanding of chemistry, including synthesizing some interesting compounds, along with a working knowledge in biochemistry.
And if I have questions, I can search within scholar.google.com using my school's permission to med journals. I'm sure some of what I do is illegal, but it's for my personal benefit, and frankly I'll do with my own body as I please.
What would be rather nice is if there was a Questions site on medical knowledge in which questions were like 5$ per. I could ask my questions and get better answers than what some of my research contains.
Well... Is there any set of C/C++ code that would compile cleanly on all "good compilers"?
It would seem that certain compilers would throw warnings and other "naughty naughty" garbage without truly erroring the compiler.
I guess you'd have to know the specific enviromnent and version of the compiler. Fun :(
And the same technology that vigilantes, freedom fighters and subversives use also work for the rather disgusting practices of child porn.
However, what can anybody do when crypto-fs DVDs are made in which the keys are transferred via some stego'ed image on some photo site?
Good luck catching that.
And real piracy is also coming to a rise around the Nigeria area. Turns out, we in the USA a long ago solved much of the iracy issues by taking our Navy near the shore of pirate dens and shelled them with cannons.
And they're back at it again.
Have you thought about playing dumb and reporting that as a bug to their tech support?
Or... is installing MySQL out of the question? I hate to ask it, but a script to dump data into the MySQL database would be kind of handy. Still, querying and inspecting rf data should be a requirement on a spectroscope.
And btw, what I wouldnt do for even a 10MHz 16bit 'scope.
I KNOW it was used, and successfully crashed a submarine.
It was a joke pointing at Windows NT. As in Not Working.
System crash.
Launch Air Bag? Abort/Retry/Cancel
Not for use in nuclear submarines!
---it's not like the program is going to self destruct.
And you dont think if they could miraculously do that, they wouldnt?
Look at Steam. I wonder what will happen when Steam is offline for good? Oh, probably the same thing that happened with PlaysForSure from MS. One must plan fo rthe worst because these companies will be guaranteed to do the worst.
---they are simply not selling any NEW copies.
And they deny us our First Sale doctrine rights be wrapping EULA's around them. After all, how do you expect a 80k family do deal with a lawsuit against say.. MS?You're just going to bend over and do what they say, regardless who is legally right.
---the ones out there continue to work and will be self maintained just like most things.
Self-maintained? How about bug patches? How about maintenance on non-working parts? Without the source code, one can only half-ass fix it.
---If i want to "extend" the software with new features, I can buy the new version.
In the cases of XP to Vista, features were removed. One needs the business "license" of Vista to do fax stuff, when nigh every prior version of Windows did faxing just fine. there's also DRM, which one pays for in CPU time and memory.
---just like i can pay a programmer to do it for me.
Hmm. So MS is no longer selling Win3.1 . I wonder if you can buy the source code from them for a company-wide license to implement proper bugfixes and other maintenance issues? Get back to me on that one, ok?
O rly?
Quoth Wikipedia:
In the criminal law, theft (also known as stealing or filching) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. As a term, it is used as shorthand for all major crimes against property, encompassing offences such as burglary, embezzlement, larceny, looting, robbery, mugging, trespassing, shoplifting, intrusion, fraud (theft by deception) and sometimes criminal conversion. In some jurisdictions, theft is considered to be synonymous with larceny; in others, theft has replaced larceny.
There is no such thing as Intuhlektual Property anyways. I know of copyrights, patents, and trademarks. And unless you steal physical media (tape backup or CDs) it's NOT THEFT. In fact stealing a CD from Wal-mart is not copyright infringing because the "license" travels with the media.
Frankly, you sound like a moron. With that "IP theft is theft" quite easily being proved wrong, you have proved your stupidity.
Would you consider an OS that costs nothing and is freely changeable a significant contribution? That OS can be scaled from a cell phone to a mainframe.
The kernel itself is a valuable object of studying, along with being "enterprise quality".
Then we have various encryption research being done, Stego research being done, testbed for designing file systems, basic control of the computer environment, and the rights to do almost whatever we please.
If you want to argue Law, this isn't the place. That would be Groklaw. That aside...
I was inquiring about the purpose of copyright and how it is supposed to encourage the sciences and the arts.
---The only thing wrong with copyright law is it's time limits a work gets protection for. The original intention was for a creator to have a limited time when he controls the work. That time is now far too long. You should be protesting that, not the foundations of the law because it's actually a good and appropriate one.
Copyright and patent was founded as the "best thing" when compared to the European Guild system of secret knowledge and hidden techniques. Mechanical devices to copy were rather scarce when those concepts were implemented in the USA. And if I remember correctly, the President himself signed off on patents as head of the Executive branch.
Now, we have excessive copyright terms and a who-gives-a-shit patent office that signs off on everything, no matter how silly. And no matter how intelligent the founders, we still have a guild system with guilds that cooperate and have non-aggression pacts: Corporations.
---If you change the law to get what you want, you are reducign the rights of the origonal creator and frankly no one should support that. Copyright has it's place.
You fail to understand. Copyright does 0 for non-holders. Copyright with GPL license does X for non-holders. What promotes the sciences and arts more? That is my root question, which you put aside with legal rhetoric. I'm not a lawyer nor do I intend to be one. The Constitution makes the reasoning behind Patents and Copyright well stated.
---And if I dont want to have you copy my work, tough shit for you. Wait until the terms expire.
Unfortunately for you, that's NOT how it works these days. That's how the law works, but the users on Piratebay, Kazaa, and the former Napster have weighed in on their vote. When some might see as a simple money-grab, I see as a massive form of civil disobedience. In the heyday of Napster, there were more users on the service at one time than voted in that presidential election.
When it comes down to it, these people want profit for us sharing with our friends. We were told to share and be friendly when we were young. Do what you can to help friends in need and in want. Now, companies wish us to stop cooperating in sharing so they get fatter wallets. Screw them.
---Or connvince me to allow copying.
Convince me that you're worth any money. You can either be good and request money, or be a dictator and demand money. However, that demand route isnt going rather well.
Is it?
One goes to the store and buys software. First Sale doctrine, right? Nope, you have to agree to arbitrary terms listed on the disc after you open it. After all, if you opened it, you must have copied it.
Many times, these softwares have protections to make installing your software harder, if not impossible (in cases of Starforce and other protections). After this, the only real way to gain resolution for getting your money back is to sue. And you probably wont get your money (hard to extract money out of a company in another state).
Say, things go alright afterward. I had this very problem with a client who used Quickbooks and had their database "fail". When you call tech support, they want 100$ or some ransom money to fix their product. In actuality, they have "secret codes" to activate simple things like database verification and data integrity. You download nothing. Instead, you pay yet more money to fix an intentionally broken and incomplete product. No amount of money is ever enough.
And near the end of life, we do know that software gets "old" because these companies make new software and abandon the old. But really, do the bits expire and rot to the point of no return? Nope. The companies want a continual revenue stream which they can rebuild the basic interface and re-sell as a completely new product.
And, after the product is removed from the "market", these companies still hold an iron grip on their copyrights. Why, for example does MS not allow donated copies of Windows 95? There were a few groups who were setting poorer people with computers using Win95 until MS said it was against their EULA.
Once you buy in to this type of software, one stays on their land with their permission until eliminated(whoops there goes your license key). You as the serf cannot sell your piece, nor can you do much else not specifically ordained by the Manor.
Sounds like Serfdom to me, minus the part of we people having a choice to never go there to begin with. That choice is Free Software. Stallman is right.
There's no such thing as theft when it comes to digital dealings, at least in your "i steal a sword" example.
They'll just bust you on anti-hacking law for you breaking a EULA.
Actually, I could argue that licenses like the GPL allow for more rights than are granted under copyright law.
I'd use this fact by saying that longer terms on licenses that grant MORE rights to everybody would be justified in "promoting the sciences and arts". After all, all derivative works (which are expressly allowed, unlike copyright) must be under the same terms, thus promoting arts and sciences.
More restrictive licenses associated to copyrights should have less time because they benefit fewer people.
It'd be interesting to run a study to see if that is true.
Ok. Then they point you at an archive of "All the greats Of Yesteryear". Cool, until you see the prices: 100+$ per item.
Oh look, versions and media they dont want you to have are suddenly ballooned to 1000's of dollars.
But they're in print, according to the "New Law".
And it goes to show that Stallman is inevitably right.
There's no reason why bits "rot". The only reason is because that software is closed source, and the ONE company ordained to maintain it refuses to do so. This isn't a problem in Free Software, where anybody can pay a programmer to maintain it to X date, regardless if the original creator is long dead (or imprisoned).
This isnt just aimed towards old unmaintained versions of Windows, but also aimed at every piece of code anybody uses that is not documented and opened. If it's closed source, the user is a serf.
---Keep November in mind, please!
Do you mean (4th of Novermber)Election Day, or 5th of November?
Sounds like if the first one goes bad, the second one sounds realistic. Perhaps we'll also get a 1812 Overture played too.
I dont argue with trolls. That's why I didnt feed my freak.
Pedantic: this supposed generator uses wind turbines to capture flowing air from heat gradient from solar radiation. Pretty much a hybrid air/solar generator. Once it's built, it evidently provides the similar gradient no matter the temperature, so it provides roughly constant power. That's nice.
What about upright wind tunnels? They build a big structure a mile tall with plastic tarps 10ft above the surface for a few miles radius.
Air warms up under the tarp and goes up the tunnel. Estimates put power at around 500 MW. It was a project around Australia somewhere but it was cut to 1/2 mile for some reason (I dont know).
Is it...
The GPL sucks?
or
The BSD Sucks?
oh well. emacs still sucks. go vi.
And then all the providers band together and deny service for the class of people they wish not to do business with.
Sounds like fascism to me.