I though the publishers are on the right here. What gives google the right to scan and put up copyrighted work on their website, without the permissions of the copyright holder?
You have to sort of pay attention to what was really happening all along....
Previously, you could only get a fair use sample of a book, a few pages at best, in response to a search. You couldn't get the whole book. You got less than what a public library would allow you to photocopy in house.
At no time was google providing entire books still in copyright from known publishers and authors.
Now you get up to 20% on line. (The publishers finally figured out that if you read 20%, you are more likely to buy the book to get the rest).
Although from the beginning Google would scan books from the affected publishers, it would only put fair use amounts (often only a couple pages) on the web. Essentially what you could photocopy in a public library.
Now they can put up to 20% online, far more than most libraries would photocopy for you, and any publisher can ask the book to be pulled, which I predict none will do.
I'm more concerned about orphaned works and the length of copyright causing a work to be completely destroyed before it can be preserved
Actually, (according to the first link) the Orphaned Works issue is still pending, with the Author's Guild still fighting on the behalf of dead or unknown authors and asserting that they, (the author's guild) have standing to represent these dead or unknown authors, and force Google to remove their works.
Spoken language is unique, but mathematical language is universal, for a start every alien capable of space flight will know what integers are. Once you've established symbols for numbers, you can match that to elements' atomic numbers, which aliens would also understand. Once you have elements you can start to show chemical structures and so on.
Don't you remember how they did it in [Contact](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/)?
Good to know its that simple.
Maybe those aliens will come early and teach us how to put something into an orbit that will last billions of years.......
That's not quite right since the "Russian Freighter" docks in the Russian side of the ISS and paying passengers typically are restricted to the Russian segment of the ISS.
You state this as if you had some actual knowledge. Quit posing. You have no idea where they spend their time.
No doubt she make good money selling records, but its also no doubt she's making pennies on the dollar for those record sales. 30 million records does not come close to 30 million dollars. Which is why so many Aging Rockers are still playing Indian Casinos these days.
More worrying is that NASA, a MORE THAN EQUAL partner in the ISS, having built 7 of the 10 modules of the station, is being shut out of seats by Russia simply as a money grab.
Total estimated costs: U.S.: $100 billion plus 38 billion to build the Shuttle. Europe: $14 billion Japan: $10 billion Russia: Unknown, but estimated at 45 billion, mostly launch vehicles. Canada: $2 billion
And in order to lift those scopes to their viewing points, you've got to have a solid business plan that shows how these users will be committed enough to justify the investment.
Business plan?
What part of Astronomy is based on business plans? Even if someone is willing to pay to use a telescope somewhere, it's always with grant money. There is no market at work here, its pure science, with little hope of any gain other than knowledge for knowledge's sake.
Getting time on the big telescopes has always been a bit of a trial since they are a limited resource and there are a lot of people who want to use them.
These telescopes do not need some special unique mission/purpose.. just having more capacity and schedule time for a wider group of scientists would be worthwhile right there, at least to the people who get time on them.
Wait. weren't these designed for terrestrial observation?
How can we be sure these things are even suitable for deep space imaging? Do they have the proper stabilization and aiming capabilities?
Will the NRO allow them to be used for their original purpose (earth observation), or would that reveal too much about current capabilities? If they would allow earth observation, wouldn't NOAA or Dept of Interior or Agriculture be a better candidate agencies? What about Google Earth?
Can they be maintained in space for years and years without service? Can they be remotely serviced and refueled? Could you send them to Mars?
Sometimes free stuff is free because its basically useless, or obsolete, or unsuited for any other purpose.
If the minority happens to be geographically localized, drawing electoral boundaries appropriately can restore them to a proportionate amount of political power.
However, you must admit that is a pretty big IF.
In a mobile and free nation It is unlikely to be the case that they will localized.
And of course underlying your whole assumption is a disturbing assumption of racism.
So what? A technique doesn't have to be 100% accurate to be useful. Which is fortunate, because few techniques are.
How is this useful?
Interesting perhaps, but not useful. The party that WON using any detectible vote fraud will not let you change anything, certainly not the outcome and probably not even vote methodology, or credential checking in future elections. In fact they probably won't give you access to voting detail numbers at all once it becomes common knowledge that such analysis is possible.
Because the ice can only be in places which are absolutely dark. Any direct or reflected sunlight and the ice will sublimate. Most likely it is hidden under the surface or in narrow gaps between rocks.
Well if NASA can find entire buried settlements from space using Shuttle radar, which could only penetrate 2 meters, imagine what a more powerful radar could find.
I rather suspect that 2 feet below the surface there could be a lot of ice in a lot of places.
Its the ultimate non-renewable resource. Used once, if not captured and stored carefully its gone into space forever. Stillsuits anyone?
The lower gravity makes it shitty as a permanent settlement -- Human bones need Earth-like gravity. In space we can spin the colony to help provide artificial gravity.
Permanent settlement does not imply permanent residence. People could be rotated up and down in half year shifts. People have stayed in space twice that long in zero G, (Record in Mir for 437 days) so probably 1/6th G allows much longer periods. Especially when you can strap on weighted suits and go about your business on the moon.
What I'd be interested on knowing: How fast would we have to spin something to approximate 1G, and how big would it have to be? (Several times the height of a human is my guess, in order to prevent having stratified gravity.)
Is 1G even optimum or necessary to retain bone mass and a strong heart?
He's in a machine shop. Only thing worse is a arc welding plant.
Really? Most machine shops do not induce a lot of electrical noise that would not be totally managed by basic metal conduit. Most automated milling machines are using basic industrial CPUs on 70s technology circuit board, and are totally unbothered by the electrical interference.
Unless there is a lot of arc welding, you really only have electrical motor noise, which is not that big of a problem.
Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment, or forsee a need for 10GbE to the desktop, why bother?
I agree, fiber may be overkill, and more trouble than its worth.
In a modern machine shop many modern milling machines need network connections, but none of them need really high speed connections, unless you are Boeing or something. But who knows what the future will bring with 3D printing etc.
Rather than rush in to put a high tech network, simply put in fat conduit so you have options in the future. Too may places put in conduit that is chock full the day its installed, allowing zero upgrades without great effort and expense and downtime. Accessible conduit runs to every place in the building saves time and higher costs later. Even the areas designated for storage today may be used for something else later.
You can tell them to keep their transmissions from bleeding into the spectrum that someone else purchased, and if they have to upgrade their equipment to do that, then tough titties. Just because there was an empty lot next to your house for years doesn't mean you can keep tossing your trash into it when someone else buys the land and wants to build a house there. Hell, you should've been fined and told to stop that years ago instead of being left to muck it up in the first place.
Shows what you know. GPS receivers do not transmit. Therefore they do not bleed. Seems you are pretty well behind the knowledge curve on this issue.
The problem was also that these clowns bought spectrum specifically designated for Orbit-to-surface transmissions and then decided they were going to skip the whole satellite thing and use the spectrum from ground towers.
I don't view public use of GPS as more important than public broadband.
Your views don't matter.
The country as a whole, actually, the world as a whole, has decided that GPS location is far more important than yet another boradband provider.
The "kit" in the field was there first, and you can't tell every owner of every GPS equipped device in the world that they have to replace their devices just so this bunch of clowns can make money.
Meh, give NOAA sim cards and get off those old hand built single purpose radios and let then use cheap cell radio chips. If this tech is cheap enough for every speed camera in the country its cheap enough for a throw away baloon radio.
The GPS industry didn't screw them over. It was there first, and it is far more important to EVERYBODY than yet another carrier building a network on the cheap.
That being said, if weather baloons is all there is in this proposed frequency range, I say let them have it, as long as they provide unlimited sim cards to weather baloon services and let them swap in cheap cellular radios for what ever they are using now.
Somehow, I suspect they have glossed over what other services might be in those frequency ranges.
Except that inventions can't be covered by copyright.. Boldrin and Levine also oppose copyright as well, anyway.
Patents and copyrights both stem from the same simple phrase in the constitution, which mentions neither by name.
Also, patents as they exist now are virtually useless as documentation (often not even making sense to the listed inventor), and people don't seek patents on things that they can easily protect via trade secrets, so no real knowledge is gained via disclosure.
Agreed that patents have ceased to serve any rational purpose as written in law (specifically the constitiution), which states
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts,
If there was any real intent to promote Science and the useful Arts, they would have established colleges. But then, that was never the REAL intent anyway.
That was merely throwing a bone towards justification of handing control of writing and inventions to those that invented and wrote. It seemed natural to people who had carved out a nation from the wilderness, and built cities and industry, that one should be able to profit from one's work. Oddly, this belief was held side by side with the practice of slavery.
The intent of patents was ALWAY monetary. Even tracing patents back thru the English system that predated the US system. It was ALWAYS about protecting the income of the inventor. Its been this way thru history.
Patents originally were an attempt to protect trade secrets that were, by their very nature, not possible to keep secret. (Back then, there were few secret sauces, either in chemistry, or manufacturing, and certainly not in software. If you had the device in your hand you could figure out what it did, and how to make it).
If we just went back to patenting physical things built by people, and not processes, genes, software, or business practices we would be well off. If we banished all patents (might take a constitutional amendment and we would have to abrogate dozens of treaties), I suspect the world would go on inventing as it always had, except at a much faster pace.
I would wager Inventors would make millions as consultants, helping to integrate their inventions in multiple different fields.
Draw lots of power? Seriously? You jest right? One single tripple A cell powers noise cancelation for months.
An the active ones do not need predictable noise, that is a fallicy. They don't work by predicting the noise. They have a microphone and the simplest single chip amp to deliver sounds from the microphone 180 out of phase to the speakers at a level that suppresses the outside sound. They are just as effective with the baby cry and the jet engine, or even random noise like kids practiving drums next door.
They typically don' cancel 100% of the noise, not because that would be difficult, but because 1) it might be unsafe (might render you unaware of the smoke alarm), and also because 2) all sound that you hear does not enter solely thru the ear canel.
If you haven't tried a pair of good quality Active Noise Control, noise cancling headphones, you can't imagine who well they really work. Cheap ones don't work well. Passive ones are hopeless.
The air gap on non-parallel windows is always at LEAST AS GREAT as what you would find in commercial dual pane. They are typically much thicker package than typical dual pane. Some doubt its effeciveness but almost all professional recording studios use windows built this way.
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I though the publishers are on the right here. What gives google the right to scan and put up copyrighted work on their website, without the permissions of the copyright holder?
You have to sort of pay attention to what was really happening all along....
Previously, you could only get a fair use sample of a book, a few pages at best, in response to a search. You couldn't get the whole book. You got less than what a public library would allow you to photocopy in house.
At no time was google providing entire books still in copyright from known publishers and authors.
Now you get up to 20% on line. (The publishers finally figured out that if you read 20%, you are more likely to buy the book to get the rest).
Pretty much, yes.
Although from the beginning Google would scan books from the affected publishers, it would only put fair use amounts (often only a couple pages) on the web. Essentially what you could photocopy in a public library.
Now they can put up to 20% online, far more than most libraries would photocopy for you, and any publisher can ask the book to be pulled, which I predict none will do.
I'm more concerned about orphaned works and the length of copyright causing a work to be completely destroyed before it can be preserved
Actually, (according to the first link) the Orphaned Works issue is still pending, with the Author's Guild still fighting on the behalf of dead or unknown authors and asserting that they, (the author's guild) have standing to represent these dead or unknown authors, and force Google to remove their works.
Why would they bother?
And why would a little lump of gold attract their attention?
After listening in on our coms all the way on their journey to the earth, they would have had plenty of time to decipher the entire civilization.
Mathematical/scientific language
Spoken language is unique, but mathematical language is universal, for a start every alien capable of space flight will know what integers are. Once you've established symbols for numbers, you can match that to elements' atomic numbers, which aliens would also understand. Once you have elements you can start to show chemical structures and so on.
Don't you remember how they did it in [Contact](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/)?
Good to know its that simple.
Maybe those aliens will come early and teach us how to put something into an orbit that will last billions of years.......
So you say. That's not what some who have been there say.
Swoosh.
Thread following fail!!!
That's not quite right since the "Russian Freighter" docks in the Russian side of the ISS and paying passengers typically are restricted to the Russian segment of the ISS.
You state this as if you had some actual knowledge. Quit posing. You have no idea where they spend their time.
That might make sense if the Russian Freighter weren't booking these passengers into YOUR Vacation Home, and paying nothing for the privilege.
No doubt she make good money selling records, but its also no doubt she's making pennies on the dollar for those record sales. 30 million records does not come close to 30 million dollars. Which is why so many Aging Rockers are still playing Indian Casinos these days.
More worrying is that NASA, a MORE THAN EQUAL partner in the ISS, having built 7 of the 10 modules of the station, is being shut out of seats by Russia simply as a money grab.
Total estimated costs:
U.S.: $100 billion plus 38 billion to build the Shuttle.
Europe: $14 billion
Japan: $10 billion
Russia: Unknown, but estimated at 45 billion, mostly launch vehicles.
Canada: $2 billion
And in order to lift those scopes to their viewing points, you've got to have a solid business plan that shows how these users will be committed enough to justify the investment.
Business plan?
What part of Astronomy is based on business plans?
Even if someone is willing to pay to use a telescope somewhere, it's always with grant money. There is no market at work here, its pure science, with little hope of any gain other than knowledge for knowledge's sake.
Getting time on the big telescopes has always been a bit of a trial since they are a limited resource and there are a lot of people who want to use them.
These telescopes do not need some special unique mission/purpose.. just having more capacity and schedule time for a wider group of scientists would be worthwhile right there, at least to the people who get time on them.
Wait. weren't these designed for terrestrial observation?
How can we be sure these things are even suitable for deep space imaging? Do they have the proper stabilization and aiming capabilities?
Will the NRO allow them to be used for their original purpose (earth observation), or would that reveal too much about current capabilities?
If they would allow earth observation, wouldn't NOAA or Dept of Interior or Agriculture be a better candidate agencies? What about Google Earth?
Can they be maintained in space for years and years without service?
Can they be remotely serviced and refueled?
Could you send them to Mars?
Sometimes free stuff is free because its basically useless, or obsolete, or unsuited for any other purpose.
If the minority happens to be geographically localized, drawing electoral boundaries appropriately can restore them to a proportionate amount of political power.
However, you must admit that is a pretty big IF.
In a mobile and free nation It is unlikely to be the case that they will localized.
And of course underlying your whole assumption is a disturbing assumption of racism.
So what? A technique doesn't have to be 100% accurate to be useful. Which is fortunate, because few techniques are.
How is this useful?
Interesting perhaps, but not useful. The party that WON using any detectible vote fraud will not let you change anything, certainly not the outcome and probably not even vote methodology, or credential checking in future elections. In fact they probably won't give you access to voting detail numbers at all once it becomes common knowledge that such analysis is possible.
Because the ice can only be in places which are absolutely dark. Any direct or reflected sunlight and the ice will sublimate. Most likely it is hidden under the surface or in narrow gaps between rocks.
Well if NASA can find entire buried settlements from space using Shuttle radar, which could only penetrate 2 meters, imagine what a more powerful radar could find.
I rather suspect that 2 feet below the surface there could be a lot of ice in a lot of places.
Its the ultimate non-renewable resource. Used once, if not captured and stored carefully its gone into space forever.
Stillsuits anyone?
The lower gravity makes it shitty as a permanent settlement -- Human bones need Earth-like gravity. In space we can spin the colony to help provide artificial gravity.
Permanent settlement does not imply permanent residence. People could be rotated up and down in half year shifts.
People have stayed in space twice that long in zero G, (Record in Mir for 437 days) so probably 1/6th G allows much longer periods.
Especially when you can strap on weighted suits and go about your business on the moon.
What I'd be interested on knowing:
How fast would we have to spin something to approximate 1G, and how big would it have to be? (Several times the height of a human is my guess, in order to prevent having stratified gravity.)
Is 1G even optimum or necessary to retain bone mass and a strong heart?
He's in a machine shop. Only thing worse is a arc welding plant.
Really?
Most machine shops do not induce a lot of electrical noise that would not be totally managed by basic metal conduit.
Most automated milling machines are using basic industrial CPUs on 70s technology circuit board, and are totally unbothered
by the electrical interference.
Unless there is a lot of arc welding, you really only have electrical motor noise, which is not that big of a problem.
Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment, or forsee a need for 10GbE to the desktop, why bother?
I agree, fiber may be overkill, and more trouble than its worth.
In a modern machine shop many modern milling machines need network connections, but none of them need really high speed connections, unless you are Boeing or something. But who knows what the future will bring with 3D printing etc.
Rather than rush in to put a high tech network, simply put in fat conduit so you have options in the future. Too may places put in conduit that is chock full the day its installed, allowing zero upgrades without great effort and expense and downtime. Accessible conduit runs to every place in the building saves time and higher costs later. Even the areas designated for storage today may be used for something else later.
You can tell them to keep their transmissions from bleeding into the spectrum that someone else purchased, and if they have to upgrade their equipment to do that, then tough titties. Just because there was an empty lot next to your house for years doesn't mean you can keep tossing your trash into it when someone else buys the land and wants to build a house there. Hell, you should've been fined and told to stop that years ago instead of being left to muck it up in the first place.
Shows what you know.
GPS receivers do not transmit. Therefore they do not bleed.
Seems you are pretty well behind the knowledge curve on this issue.
The problem was also that these clowns bought spectrum specifically designated for Orbit-to-surface transmissions and then decided they were going to skip the whole satellite thing and use the spectrum from ground towers.
I don't view public use of GPS as more important than public broadband.
Your views don't matter.
The country as a whole, actually, the world as a whole, has decided that GPS location is far more important than yet another boradband provider.
The "kit" in the field was there first, and you can't tell every owner of every GPS equipped device in the world that they have to replace their devices just so this bunch of clowns can make money.
Meh, give NOAA sim cards and get off those old hand built single purpose radios and let then use cheap cell radio chips.
If this tech is cheap enough for every speed camera in the country its cheap enough for a throw away baloon radio.
The GPS industry didn't screw them over. It was there first, and it is far more important to EVERYBODY than yet another carrier building a network on the cheap.
That being said, if weather baloons is all there is in this proposed frequency range, I say let them have it, as long as they provide unlimited sim cards to weather baloon services and let them swap in cheap cellular radios for what ever they are using now.
Somehow, I suspect they have glossed over what other services might be in those frequency ranges.
Except that inventions can't be covered by copyright.. Boldrin and Levine also oppose copyright as well, anyway.
Patents and copyrights both stem from the same simple phrase in the constitution, which mentions neither by name.
Also, patents as they exist now are virtually useless as documentation (often not even making sense to the listed inventor), and people don't seek patents on things that they can easily protect via trade secrets, so no real knowledge is gained via disclosure.
Agreed that patents have ceased to serve any rational purpose as written in law (specifically the constitiution), which states
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts,
If there was any real intent to promote Science and the useful Arts, they would have established colleges.
But then, that was never the REAL intent anyway.
That was merely throwing a bone towards justification of handing control of writing and inventions to those that invented and wrote.
It seemed natural to people who had carved out a nation from the wilderness, and built cities and industry, that one should be able to profit from one's work.
Oddly, this belief was held side by side with the practice of slavery.
The intent of patents was ALWAY monetary. Even tracing patents back thru the English system that predated the US system. It was ALWAYS about protecting the income of the inventor. Its been this way thru history.
Patents originally were an attempt to protect trade secrets that were, by their very nature, not possible to keep secret.
(Back then, there were few secret sauces, either in chemistry, or manufacturing, and certainly not in software. If you had the device in your hand you could figure out what it did, and how to make it).
If we just went back to patenting physical things built by people, and not processes, genes, software, or business practices we would be well off.
If we banished all patents (might take a constitutional amendment and we would have to abrogate dozens of treaties), I suspect the world would go on inventing as it always had, except at a much faster pace.
I would wager Inventors would make millions as consultants, helping to integrate their inventions in multiple different fields.
Draw lots of power? Seriously? You jest right?
One single tripple A cell powers noise cancelation for months.
An the active ones do not need predictable noise, that is a fallicy. They don't work by predicting the noise.
They have a microphone and the simplest single chip amp to deliver sounds from the microphone 180 out of phase to the speakers at a level that suppresses the outside sound. They are just as effective with the baby cry and the jet engine, or even random noise like kids practiving drums next door.
They typically don' cancel 100% of the noise, not because that would be difficult, but because 1) it might be unsafe (might render you unaware of the smoke alarm), and also because 2) all sound that you hear does not enter solely thru the ear canel.
If you haven't tried a pair of good quality Active Noise Control, noise cancling headphones, you can't imagine who well they really work.
Cheap ones don't work well.
Passive ones are hopeless.
The air gap on non-parallel windows is always at LEAST AS GREAT as what you would find in commercial dual pane. They are typically much thicker package than typical dual pane. Some doubt its effeciveness but almost all professional recording studios use windows built this way.