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Ask Slashdot: What Would You Include In a New Building?

First time accepted submitter weiserfireman writes "For the first time in our company's 60 year history, we are going to be building a new facility from scratch. We are a CNC Machine shop with 40 employees and 20 CNC machines, crammed into a 12,000 sq foot building. We are going to build a new 30,000 sq foot building. I am the only IT person. I support all the computer systems, as well as all the fire/security/phone systems. My Boss has asked for my input on what infrastructure to include in the new building to support current and future technology. 1st on my list is a telecommunications equipment room. Our current building doesn't have one. I have been researching this topic on the Internet, and I have a list of a lot of different things, all of them are nice, but I know I am going to have a limited budget. If you were in my shoes, what priorities what features would you design into the building?"

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  1. Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Secret passageways

    1. Re:Suggestions by j-stroy · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Suggestions by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      They make great places to stash the bodies.

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    3. Re:Suggestions by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Secret passageways

      Escape hatch.

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    4. Re:Suggestions by cod3r_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Stripper poles. You never know, but you damn sure want to be prepared.

    5. Re:Suggestions by WillAdams · · Score: 2

      When I interviewed w/ one of the oldest publishers in a certain older American city, one of the things which attracted me to the job was that their conference room's door was secretly a part of a a wall of bookcases.

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    6. Re:Suggestions by mellon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A heat recovery ventilation system would be a really good idea—improves air quality, saves energy. I put Cat6A shielded in the walls of my house; not sure you'd need that in this environment, but it might be helpful.

    7. Re:Suggestions by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 2

      Air compressor. For the blow-up dolls.

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    8. Re:Suggestions by burnt_cajun_toast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since you're the only (IT) person, it might be a very good idea allocate budget $ and hire a firm that has the experience designing facilities. Aside from the fact you might miss a very important feature, you really should have the input from professionals that have experience along with the electrical/fire/security since it does not seem to be your expertise. The money spent at the design phase just might save you that much more down the line, especially since a small error could have major consequences. Just my $.02

    9. Re:Suggestions by robthebloke · · Score: 2

      Toilets. Nothing worse than having too few toilets for too many people.....

    10. Re:Suggestions by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Why would blow-up dolls want an air compressor? In case I mis-understood, C4 is better for blowing up dolls.

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    11. Re:Suggestions by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Floors, ceilings, power outlets, and stairs between floors. Anything else is gravy.

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    12. Re:Suggestions by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone looks in the secret passages. Store the bodies in the Executive Boardroom. Dress them in suits and ties and no one notices.

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    13. Re:Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, because the building design is going to have an impact on what you want. In an office w/ drop ceilings (common), you really don't want to waste time with conduit, in most cases getting a server room near the outside for direct venting means giving up window offices, so thats would be a tough call. In some cases raised floors make great sense, in others they are a waste. What about security? Is it a shared space? multi-floor? Whats the likely tech growth (is a need for > 1 Gbps realistic for business needs or could you save 20% with plain Cat 5 cables?) What about phones? A good VOIP system might save half the cable drops. What is the REAL business cost of downtime? Do you need backup generators, or could you put the critical into the cloud? what kind of internet access do you need?

      There are so many questions that you need real answers to, cost benefit analysis, and a real understanding of impacts (Don't ask for things that are cool or will make your life easier, know how it will save money now (seriously, spending $100 now to maybe save $500 later is rarely a good investment), by allowing faster recovery, more reliable operations, lower headcount, better security, etc

    14. Re:Suggestions by jdray · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

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    15. Re:Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, skip the budget and just ask Slashdot. I'm sure they'll cover all the bases and give you a coherent and comprehensive list of must-have features that are fully future proof and anticipate all of your company's present as well as future needs.

    16. Re:Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perfect!

      He appears to work in a CNC (music) factory. At some point, I'm expecting a disco ball to descend from the ceiling, stripper poles to rise from the floor and "EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!" to start thumping out of the PA system.

    17. Re:Suggestions by magarity · · Score: 1

      Toilets. Nothing worse than having too few toilets for too many people.....

      Just make sure none of the toilets on the next floor up are over the server room.

    18. Re:Suggestions by pbhj · · Score: 1

      >getting a server room near the outside for direct venting means giving up window offices //

      Depends how creative your architect is. E.g. you could have recessed roof lights (eg down to top-floor-minus-one) that provide outside wall for a top-floor server room.

    19. Re:Suggestions by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "Whats the likely tech growth (is a need for > 1 Gbps realistic for business needs or could you save 20% with plain Cat 5 cables?)"

      You don't need to predict the tech growth. All you need is the length of the lease on the build-out.

      You NEED a telecomm room. This is not an option. It needs venting and must have sufficient space for racks. This is where they will put your telephone patch panel, and you will put your PBX if you get one, your routers, servers, etc.

      When the phone lines are being put in, have them run ethernet at the same time. Each phone jack (plate) in the wall should have 2 jacks: an RJ-11 for phone and an RJ-45 for ethernet. You want Cat 6 or better cable. Don't scrimp on this. The incremental cost between Cat 5 and Cat 6 is only a penny or two per foot; you might save a little at first but if you need Gb ethernet in a couple of places 2 years from now you will end up spending more than what you saved.

      The other end of all of those wires is in your telecomm closet, where the phone patch panels for the phones, and you (if necessary) will have routers/switches. Plan ahead (before the room is built) whether you want wall-mount or rack-mount switches.

      By the way: have them LABEL those cable ends. You'd think this would go without saying but if you don't tell them, you might end up having to spend a couple of weeks toning out which cable goes to what room.

      If your lease is for more than 5 years, have them run fiber, too. That's going to cost more but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than ripping out walls later.

    20. Re:Suggestions by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Not every building is an office building. I should have added that if you have open work areas as many shops do, of course you will need to run conduit. That's all fine. But even so: as I say, run at least Cat6 cable. Don't even consider anything less.

      Many people here seem to assume you will be running the cable yourself. I did not get that impression. But regardless, make sure they use large pipes and LABEL every cable end.

      And if someone else is installing, and you think you might have to pull any cable yourself later, have them leave an extra string inside each.

    21. Re:Suggestions by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

      I would definitely second the suggestion to get a specialist on board earlier rather than later, it will save you time, money and headaches in the future.

      WRT the raised floors suggestion, that was my first thought, but then I started thinking about the possible weight of the CNC machines (you haven't specified size). Possibly the shop floor should have channels in it for rerouting data and power as required over time, with platform flooring over the top of it. It could also potentially be used to run underfloor HVAC vents and take advantage of convection principles.

      I would consider opportunities to being natural light into the workplace, and supplemental task lighting should be fully configurable given the precision of CNC equipment. High lux values are required for that kind of QA, but daylight is great for morale.

      Again, coming back to the potential weight of the CNC equipment, look at your access paths for getting old machines out and new machines in. If data and power through the floor is going to restrict positioning of plant too much, look at an overhead grid system with cable drops, there's great umbilicals available for doing supported drops that can look quite attractive and are designed to be moved if required - better than fixed ducting.

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    22. Re:Suggestions by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 2

      GigE runs perfectly fine on Cat5E. There's really no reason to bother with Cat6 unless you have a specific requirement that calls for it. Why would you need to rip out walls to put in fiber? You can run it above a drop ceiling just like you can run copper ethernet.

    23. Re:Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please mod parent -1 offtopic, it has nothing to do with the post he replied to.

    24. Re:Suggestions by dintech · · Score: 2

      Fire/Security is definitely important. There are basically two schools of thought on this and you can divide them into two camps, the traditionalists and the modernists. It's important to consider both equally because, depending on your budget, you should definitely (and I have some experience here) build out the security features of your building using both. First lets consider old. If you have enough elevation in your building, you might want to consider a large spherical boulder run. Anyone trying the wrong corridor into your server room better be spritely and have gone easy on the cheetos and mountain dew. Also consider deadfalls, pressure release poison darts and swinging axe guillotines - all good options, but I hear that lava flows are 'in' this year. Server cages don't just keep your racks safe from prying fingers but can also house predatory animals.

      The modernists prefer cryogenic rooms with movement sensors, blast bulkheads, rail-gun sentry turrets, laser encrusted sharks and the like. All very boring, especially if you've secured your server room against physical entry using more satisfying traditional means. No, with modern times come modern break-ins and shadowy hackers out there will be trying to obtain admin passwords and root access from outside of your facility, where crushing spike traps will do you little good. A telephone system with mind control frequency blasters is exactly what you need to deal with late-night social engineers badgering your technically less-than-adept security henchmen. Ho, ho, ho they better not have brought any sharp objects to their safe little payphone, let me tell you. Also, I hear there are devices on the market now that allow you to trace exactly where these cyber ne'er-do-wells are calling from but I don't recommend that. They seem to have a design fault which means that they can only trace calls after exactly 60 seconds, by which time in my experience time, most hackers have finished gloating and hung up.

      Finally consider your escape route if things get too hot. As the previous (sensibly anonymous) traditionalist poster has suggested, secret passageways can be of great help here. I suggest this in combination with the submarine escape vessel however, which is on special from Lairs-r-Us. Don't even consider rocket ships, if you had somewhere better 'up there' to go, you wouldn't be asking about this on Slashdot, would you?

      Disclaimer: Everything I know about building security I learned from media staring Harrison Ford, Robert Redford, Sean Connery or Dr Robotnik.

    25. Re:Suggestions by gadget+junkie · · Score: 1

      Stripper poles. You never know, but you damn sure want to be prepared.

      You can always involve OSHA: " you know, it has no sharp angles, so it's safer!"

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    26. Re:Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Cat6 cable the installation has to be made with more care in order to use the cable at its full potential. More care means slightly more cost and limitations on the location due to the limited turn radius. Same thing with optical.

    27. Re:Suggestions by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Go ahead... run new cable for an entire office building, terminating it properly in jacks with plates at the proper height in the wall, by running it manually through the drop ceiling.

      Now, maybe OP's situation with the shop is much different from what mine was, when I had to do a whole new office of about 120 people, most of whom had computers in their rooms.

      But run it myself through the drop ceiling? NFW. And if the commercial installers had to re-do it later, yes they would have ripped out walls to do it. The bundle of phone cables near the hub room was nearly 12" around, and the bundle of ethernet cables the same.

    28. Re:Suggestions by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. If you don't run it above the drop ceiling, where do you run it? Any building built-out for you should have conduit stubbed from wall boxes to the plenum space which makes running cable easy. If not, it's a fairly simple matter to snake the cable down the wall using a cable snake or pull stick. If a commercial installer wanted to rip out walls to run cabling, I'd really question them unless there was a hard ceiling or some other architectural detail that made it impractical to access the plenum space.

      I've run my own cable in a new building above drop ceiling - we rented a scissor lift and did it before the ceiling grid was installed. No problems. But, I never suggested to the OP that he should run his own cable, all I said was that there's no compelling reason to pay someone more to run cat6 as opposed to cat5e unless he has a specific requirement that calls for cat6. Maybe 10gig needs it, I don't know. But I know the building I'm in now was wired in 95 with cat5 and GigE + PoE works fine on all 150 or so drops.

    29. Re:Suggestions by cynyr · · Score: 1

      As a note, an RJ-11 plug fits in a RJ-45 socket just fine. Use RJ-45 plugs everywhere with dedicated runs to the telecom room and then patch them in how ever you need them.

      Also make sure to label everything and produce and verify a one-line wiring schematic of this whole installation, someone after you will thank you for it.

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    30. Re:Suggestions by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is run through the drop ceiling, but that wasn't my point.

      If you later need to replace the whole cable installation, it's going to cost money unless you are going to do the whole thing yourself, slowly, one at a time.

      But if you have a large installation, those cable bundles get pretty damned big once they start to get near your hub room. The big bundles aren't easily swapped out unless you have another closet next to your hub "closet".

    31. Re:Suggestions by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Every shop I've worked at just had a concrete slab floor... all the power and network came in drops (literally dangling in space) from the ceiling. There's usually some conduit running along the rafters and the hanging wires connecting the machines was usually that armored flex conduit. Not really much I can think of you could do "on the floor" to enhance future-proofness.

  2. Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would that be possible? Should it wait? As long as you have the conduit, it should be fairly cheap, right?

    1. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment, or forsee a need for 10GbE to the desktop, why bother?

    2. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by avandesande · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would suggest that a secure wireless strategy would be better

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    3. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly useless. If you really must, use cheap plastic fiber - the kind that's good only up to 1000 feet and intended for building-internal use.

    4. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, good one.

    5. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment

      He's in a machine shop. Only thing worse is a arc welding plant. Do yourself a favor and run fiber to every machine, not every desktop. In ye olden days at the plant I had to run that new-fangled cat-5 thru roof trusses spaced many feet between power conduits just to keep interference down. We didn't even bother trying to set up a networked PC in the welding area. All that plant cat-5 was replaced with fiber as budget permitted. Assuming you terminate your own SC/ST (or whatever) connectors, the main cost is a couple hundred bucks for the ethernet to fiber converters.

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    6. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be out of your mind. Wireless in a machine shop. What colors are your pills?

    7. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      All the better to introduce the Stuxnet Virus.

    8. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Jeng · · Score: 1

      There most probably will be some form of electrical welding (stick, mig, tig, what have you) and that puts out tons of electrical noise, a wireless signal wouldn't stand a chance.

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    9. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      You do realize that wireless can be made secure much easier than ethernet right?

      Protip: "standard" wifi rollouts will include per-frame aes encryption; "standard" ethernet will not.

    10. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my warehouse has several welders going at the same time. you can notice problems with the wireless, but it works well
      enough. not well enough to run infrastructure off of, but well enough for end users

    11. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Will the Ethernet to fiber converters work reliably with serial connecters? I have about a dozen machines right now that I use a serial over Ethernet adapter and even long 25 pin serial cables I had to custom make and a crap load of switch boxes because most of the software used needs to stream instructions for the first run of a new part.

      I'm not the op, but it sounds like this might get rid of some headaches.

    12. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

      In a machine shop?
      The problem is not the security, the issue is the electrical interference and the BIG METAL MACHINES.

    13. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment, or forsee a need for 10GbE to the desktop, why bother?

      Just the hostile environment. 10GbE will be copper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-gigabit_Ethernet#10GBASE-T It needs Cat6A for full runs, and Cat6 for short runs.

    14. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You do realize that wireless can be made secure much easier than ethernet right?

      You do realise that hundreds of unshielded electrical motors inside what is for all practical purposes a giant Faraday cage might cause some small amount of interference, don't you? It is not security. It is signal to NOISE!

    15. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by kkansas · · Score: 1

      > Do yourself a favor and run fiber to every machine, not every desktop

      Could you please elaborate on this? How would you get fiber to every machine?

    16. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by mhajicek · · Score: 2

      It does work; I've done it. The nice part is that you can reconfigure a work cell without having to rerun cables. What I'm wondering is if any of his machines are still on RS-232, in which case you need to either get special wireless boxes or run serial cable.

    17. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

      I do infrastructure for a large organization.

      You need:

      Telecommunications closets within 250' of every edge of the building where there is any possibility that equipment could be placed, as total cable length can be 328', and you have to account for patch cables and workstation/equipment cables, as well as elevation changes and routing. These TCs need their own air conditioning independent of the rest of the building and need to be keyed so that only a very select group of staff can go in. Do not use wall-mount enclosures if you can avoid it. Run conditioned power to the TCs. It's your call if you have battery backups in each TC or a big one at the supply for them, but electrically isolate them from the floor. Probably a good idea to have the AC units on a battery backup too.

      Conduit, Conduit, Conduit. Color code it and label it. For trunk runs have at least two sets, one for copper, one for fiber, and just do them in 4". For distribution, don't go smaller than 1", and probably still best to have two runs. Remember, no low voltage and high voltage in the same conduit, and best practice to not put fiber and copper in the same conduit in order to protect the fiber as changes are necessary.

      Talk to the designer for equipment layout. You'll want to put junction boxes wherever you'll need to bring conduit down from the ceiling, even if they're just plugged at the moment. You can add the drop and outlet later, but if you don't put the jbox in, it's a big PITA.

      You do not need to string all of the cable for all of the conduit up front, but you should run at least a twelve-strand fiber between all of your TCs, and probably run one of each of single mode and multi mode. You should probably also run a 25 pair copper for phones.

      You should look into STP or S/FTP instead of UTP for the copper. Learn how to ground it right and make sure that the contractors follow the specs. Do not use Cat5e, use at least 6, preferably 6a. Commscope makes a thin 6a if you're worried about bend radii and number of cables in a conduit.

      When you're installing conduit, allow for a few places for later expansion for wireless. It may sound strange, but leaving a double-gang box with a reducer and a metal plate at the end of a short 1" conduit stubbing off of your trunk can be handy if down the road it's needed.

      Pay attention to grounding and bonding.

      Devise a labelling scheme. We use MDF as A, IDFs B - whatever. Then patch panel position number, then type. So, A-021D would be an ethernet (data) port, 21st on the patch panel, in the MDF. B-047V would be a phone (voice) port, 47th pair, in IDF-B. You could use F for fiber, or if running single and multi mode, S or M.

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    18. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by skids · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really if you are on a budget, the important part is that you run a few multistrand bundles anywhere that it will be a pain to rip into the walls to run it again later, and run it along with the copper so that you don't have to pay for the manpower all over again. Make sure there is plenty of service loop. The jacks and end runs can come later on an as-needed basis. Most of the cost is always in the manpower, not the cabling, so think who will have to do what to realize fiber to a given point, and how much that might disrupt operations, and preinstall anywhere where it would be tricky to do after the fact. Try to avoid situations where you'll need splicing, but for in-building use you don't usually have to worry about having too many intermediary patch panels.

    19. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shielded Cat6 is rather effective.

    20. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by vlm · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Do yourself a favor and run fiber to every machine, not every desktop

      Could you please elaborate on this? How would you get fiber to every machine?

      The machines out on the factory floor pretty much have to run aerial along the roof trusses because in a big enough plant there are machines in the middle of the factory floor and buried conduit would fill with nasties like water and machine coolant. So you're juggling space with the power and often compressed air from the ceiling.

      The desktops don't matter because they're on the same probably fairly clean AC power line with the same ground point and probably low neutral currents. So just wire like any old cubie-land. The machines out on the floor, however, do not have such clean power and they really need fiber.

      As for getting the fiber to each machine, my advice is innerduct it. Well, run the numbers first. At one time it was cheaper to buy tough innerduct and wimpy indoor fiber, than it was to buy tough outdoor rated fiber and skip the duct. Maybe not now. As for the machine itself that was handled by plant maintenance... tell them to mount a small rack enclosure on the headstock side of the 80 foot lathe or the 20x20 plasma table control station or whatever and they'd just do it for me / us. The original poster is probably going to be stuck doing this by himself. This is sometimes challenging to not get in the way or create an osha violation somehow (you're blocking access to the first aid kit! You need 4 feet wide walkways in case the fire dept needs the jaws of life! etc)

      Whatever you do, lock your stuff on the floor or every time the plasma cutter pops a breaker they're going to write in a procedure for minimum wage drones to reboot your stuff or otherwise mess around with it, if they can get access to it "just in case". Or they'll start storing their lunch in the cabinet or whatever and attract mice. Or they'll leave the door open and a passing forklift will rip the whole box off the milling center (whooops). Don't need fancy milspec locks just keep the casual interloper out.

      Maybe the TLDR is just parallel the air line and power line installation?

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    21. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by jbov · · Score: 1

      Reply to undo accidental negative moderation.

    22. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by jbov · · Score: 2

      All the better to introduce the Stuxnet Virus.

      You do realize that wireless can be made secure much easier than ethernet right?

      You do realise that hundreds of unshielded electrical motors ... It is not security. It is signal to NOISE!

      You do realize that the GP was replying to someone who claimed a wireless network was more likely to introduce the Stuxnet Virus, right?

    23. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by icebike · · Score: 1

      Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment, or forsee a need for 10GbE to the desktop, why bother?

      I agree, fiber may be overkill, and more trouble than its worth.

      In a modern machine shop many modern milling machines need network connections, but none of them need really high speed connections, unless you are Boeing or something. But who knows what the future will bring with 3D printing etc.

      Rather than rush in to put a high tech network, simply put in fat conduit so you have options in the future. Too may places put in conduit that is chock full the day its installed, allowing zero upgrades without great effort and expense and downtime. Accessible conduit runs to every place in the building saves time and higher costs later. Even the areas designated for storage today may be used for something else later.

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    24. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      Shielded cat 5e STP cable works great in noisy environments it costs about $0.11 a foot and many switches and routers are compatible with STP requirements. Just make sure the cable has foil over each pair and a braid around all the cables with a darin wire for the best protection. You can get fiber spools for $0.20 a foot but you will have to make all the connectors yourself and doing them well is critical. If you are going to go with fiber and have no experience crimping it's probably better to buy precut cables and pay about $1 per foot but you can save a lot if you have fiber experience.

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    25. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He's in a machine shop. Only thing worse is a arc welding plant.

      Really?
      Most machine shops do not induce a lot of electrical noise that would not be totally managed by basic metal conduit.
      Most automated milling machines are using basic industrial CPUs on 70s technology circuit board, and are totally unbothered
      by the electrical interference.

      Unless there is a lot of arc welding, you really only have electrical motor noise, which is not that big of a problem.

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    26. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've used Ruggedcom serial-fiber converters many times. They work well and are electrically shielded for use in industrial/utility environments. Depending on the model they have multiple serial ports and can direct traffic to preassigned IP addresses. There are a number of other vendors that sell similar boxes.

    27. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by rjr162 · · Score: 2

      No, 10GbE between switches. From there, 1GbE between the switch and the computer.

      By your logic, highways should also have a speed of 35mph like secondary roads and be a single lane each way, since there's no point in making the roads 2 lanes each way with a 65mph speed limit since your neighborhood roads are only 35mph. So what happens when 3 devices on switch A must talk to a device on switch B (say the clients to the server?)

      If you have 1GbE adapters in the 3 devices and run Cat5e or Cat6 between the devices and switch A, then each device could do 1GbE. Now if you only run a 1GbE link between switch A and switch B, well that 1GbE link is being split 3 ways (plus any overhead), so the 1GbE link between the 3 devices and the switch become pointless. On the other hand, if you do it properly, and make a 10GbE link between switch A and switch B, you could (in theory but not in practice) have 10 devices transferring one directions at the same time and still maintain the full speed they could achieve (and on a full-duplex setup you could have about 8 or so transferring one direction and 8 or so transferring the other direction at about full speed).

      Now if you have a lot of large CAD files or whatever, the speed would be welcomed. And honestly, you can pick up quality GigE equipment for a good price (10GbE switches are a bit more, but can still be found for a decent price online and are name brand)

      Plus as others said, the fiber isn't prone to noise interference like Cat cable is... and it NEVER hurts to plan ahead. Heck, in my building here on campus we replaced all the patch cables that run between the patch panel and the switches with Cat 6, although none of the machines do 10GbE over copper. Also, all the runs from the wall jack to the equipment is Cat 6 which we switched as we fixed, moved, replaced, or re-imaged the equipment. Again, there's no need for a network printer to be connected from the switch to the patch panel, up to the wall jack and out to the machine.. but it's better for it to be there for when something does come along that can use it (and it's all already in place) than to have put say Cat 5e only to have to replace it a few years down the road.

    28. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      I haven't checked in a while, but the 10GbE equipment is pretty pricey and runs a bit hotter (the power required to transfer that rate over copper) vs a fiber setup. And in all honesty, you just need the 10GbE link for between switches, which if the network is planned out well wouldn't require that make fiber runs.

    29. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      Unless you are in a wildly electrically hostile environment, or forsee a need for 10GbE to the desktop, why bother?

      "640K ought to be enough for anybody", right?

      It's axiomatic that the pulling of cable is typically much more expensive than the cable itself, so when you have the opportunity to do so, future-proof as much as possible. Pull the fastest backbones you can, and if the budget allows, pull a couple of different types.

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    30. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The answer is found in the parallel question, "how do you get power to every machine?"

    31. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      on a full-duplex setup you could have about 8 or so transferring one direction and 8 or so transferring the other direction at about full speed

      I can't be bothered to look up the spec at the moment or even look for a link, but I thought half-duplex was dropped from all the 1GE specs. Even 1GE-BX (gigE over a single fiber, not a pair) is full duplex. And I can't recall having seen a 100 Mbps switch/hub incapable of full duplex, by the time 100 Mbps was getting the push, everyone moved on to switches from hubs.

      Wire for fiber. Why? Because unlike cat-3, cat-5, cat-6, etc. You run once, and upgrade with a quick (if not cheap) upgrade of the optics on the ends. I've put 10 Gbps over fiber installed for 100 Mbps without issue. And right now, where I work, there is a project underway to put 400+ Gbps over fiber that was installed for 155 Mbps 10+ years ago.

    32. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Standard Ethernet is physically secure. You do realize that 802.1x, the basis for wireless security, was invented for wired Ethernet? And I deployed it about 10 years before it was first available for wireless networks. I don't need to encrypt every frame if I steer frames only to their destination and everyone on the network is authenticated. Wireless, it's better than wired because it's almost 20 years behind wired security such that people lazy with ethernet will have a much much cheaper unencrypted install that still more secure than wireless.

    33. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by jdray · · Score: 1

      To aid in future-proofing your situation, account for machine moves in your fiber layout and hang a few loops of fiber up in the trusses on each fiber run. That way, when you (eventually) move the machines, you have enough fiber to follow the move. Electrical lines can be cut and have longer feeds patched in much cheaper than a fiber line can.

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    34. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, and one thing I'd add to an otherwise great post.

      Draw a map/diagram and give copies to everyone who might ever need it. Keep it updated with any adds/moves/changes. There's no point to a great labeling scheme if nobody knows what it means when you, the *only* IT guy, leaves.

    35. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Khyber · · Score: 1

      We can run wireless using visible-range EM radiation. We have LED bulbs that do this already.

      Pretty secure, you'd have to have the equipment to interface, plus be inside the building since visible-range EM doesn't penetrate walls, window blinds, etc.

      At that point, the only security issue is your doorman.

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    36. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Visible-Range EM wireless works just fine and is nearly impervious to even the bright light emitted from welding (because it's not emitting a proper signal that the station recognizes as data, its just random noise at that point and time. Plus, you can tune to specific wavelengths that are not emitted by welding to further reduce any possible chance of interference.)

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    37. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by cusco · · Score: 4, Informative

      To this I would add that you need to plan for your access control, security video and alarm system as well. The access control system will need wall space to hang one or more enclosures for controllers and power supplies. I would leave about 4 square feet for every two doors at least, 6 would be better. There will need to be cable paths from the enclosures to the doors, so get your security contractor involved early, because pulling cable through a completed wall is an order of magnitude more expensive than when it's still open.

      Your security contractor should be able to look at the plans and tell you where cameras will be needed (if they can't get a new contractor). Interior cameras can be POE if they're under 100 meters from a switch (that's 100 meters of cable path, not straight line, remember). Exterior cameras will need a heater and blower for the dome, which will require 24 volt power. Make sure that there is wall space somewhere appropriate to mount the power supply enclosure. Think about non-standard location that you might want cameras, such as tool bins, flammable liquid storage, or dangerous equipment.

      Put a panic button under the receptionist's desk, and make sure they have access to an exterior camera with a view of the main entry. They're the ones most likely to see a disgruntled ex-employee or someone's irate ex-spouse showing up with a gun. Make sure that the panic button not only generates an alarm somewhere useful (a bunch of mechanics running in carrying wrenches and welding tools will scare the crap out of most attackers), but that it also locks the exterior doors. Hopefully the locked door will keep an armed person out, but even if they're already inside when the button is pushed you don't want innocents walking into that type of situation.

      Run a POTS line for the alarm panel. It needs to be able to dial out to the alarm company, and is often forgotten. Remember as well the cable path from the alarm panel to wherever the arming keypad or reader is located. If you put it in the same room as the access control panel you should be fine. Six square feet of wall space should be adequate to mount it and its power supply.

      Make sure that the access control system, alarm system and fire system are all on UPS circuits. Make sure that your UPS and fire system, as well as thermometers in the data center and MDF, report their status to the alarm panel and the access control system. In your type of operation any eye wash stations and first aid boxes should also raise alarms so that anyone injured can be attended to.

      Oh, and add a bicycle lock up site that's out of the rain.

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    38. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      along those lines, my personal suggestion would be: have them install an extra conduit to every room, all leading back to your tech room/closet. be sure they leave a pull line in each of those conduits. That way, in 5 years or whatever when you need to install some new equipment somewhere, and need 1 more line back to the closet, you can simply pull it through, and not deal with the general headache and clustermuck that generally comes with retrofitting new/more hardware/cable into an existing building. if you have enough budget, ask for a backup generator that can power the server room/closet.

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    39. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by TWX · · Score: 1

      I've found, if there are labels at all, once toning out one can figure out what the original installer meant. We have some with schemes like A-0-3-46-D. We figured out that was IDF A-0, third patch panel, 46th port, data.

      If the telecom closets and outlets are labelled together then it works well without necessarily needing documentation. IF "IDF-C" is prominently displayed on the third closet, then usually one can figure out that "C-###D" will go to IDF-C.

      I recommend against individually identifying patch panels, instead using a 1-whatever approach, where at the end of the 48th port on the first patch, the first on the second patch gets numbered 49, etc. That does mean enough attention needs to be made to allow it all to fit, but at the same time it means that there aren't multiple drops with the same number.

      I found that as-builts are actually more important for finding where drops are than for knowing where a drop is to then figure out the closet. At one of our sites the drawings for the cabinets were not compared to the drawings of the low voltage and power, so there are lots of drops hidden behind fixtures. Annoying, but sometimes we can actually find them if the as-builts are accurate.

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    40. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by wezelboy · · Score: 1

      Great post! I'd say power backup to the air conditioning is extremely important. If you don't have this, then you absolutely need environmental monitoring with automatic shutdown.

    41. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      For now... And at one times Fast E was enough too. Prices will come down, and then people will start to get it. As for switches, you can do link teaming now and get as much as you have free ports for. Harder on a server with only 2 ports.

    42. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      All the better to introduce the Stuxnet Virus.

      You do realize that wireless can be made secure much easier than ethernet right?

      You do realise that hundreds of unshielded electrical motors ... It is not security. It is signal to NOISE!

      You do realize that the GP was replying to someone who claimed a wireless network was more likely to introduce the Stuxnet Virus, right?

      You do realize that the OP said fiber, and the first reply said wireless, and it degenerated from there. (OK, This is getting silly, but I can't stop)

    43. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Optical LAN (GPON).

      Not many vendors for this yet (only 2 that I'm directly aware of), but will save heaps on operational costs over active ethernet and saves the trouble/cost of upgrading cat-x on a regular basis.

    44. Re:Optical fiber link to every desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will want a copy of the documentation offsite, quickly accessible in case of an emergency.

      A separate issue is lighting. Use LED lighting in the racks. This uses less energy, comes in strips so if one bulb is dead you are not totally in the dark. They create a lot less heat and let you see what you are doing without having to wear a headlamp or feel in the dark.

      The aisles between racks should be wide enough that you can get by the equipment cart you use to install new servers. This way when you lift a heavy piece of equipment you can get some help rather than grunting on your own. Which brings up another point. having carts on wheels where you can roll in the equipment rather than having to physically lift it makes it much more efficient. You need doors and ramps wide enough for your carts and so you can get by them so one person can pull and the other push...

      A cart with a flat folding table where you can have a UPS, a laptop pen and clipboard to document as you do the installations (this means you want the wireless up and running first). An iphone or small digital camera to photograph the work tagged to the locations on your diagram with versioning would be cool.

  3. Conduit by toygeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps this is obvious, but its the very first thing that popped into my head. You might not need to install a lot of cabling to run what you have, relatively speaking, but you WILL need to install more later and you WILL wish you had installed bigger conduit. So, plan your current needs as being 1/3 to 1/2 capacity and leave plenty of room for more. It doesn't cost much more to install bigger/more conduit now, but it will cost TONS more to install it later. Your successors will praise you.

    1. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree. I'd say 80cm conduit should be minimum :)

    2. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cabling, everywhere. Conduits everywhere. Power for equipment that will use the cabling, everywhere.

    3. Re:Conduit by zentigger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and make sure you leave an extra pull string inside each run!

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    4. Re:Conduit by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

      80cm? Are you planning to have to send a synthetic to the other side of the complex with a laptop to pilot the ship in?

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    5. Re:Conduit by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 2

      If you're really planning on doing conduit (as opposed to just cable trays or whatever they are called), then make sure there aren't any weird turns in it.

      That will screw up an installer's day right there.... /hacked through a conduit once because of an S-shaped curve in the ceiling above the telecomm room.

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    6. Re:Conduit by Minwee · · Score: 2

      You never know what you'll need. It pays to be prepared for all possible emergencies.

    7. Re:Conduit by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Preferably with a nice little tag (on the conduit itself, or at least on the string) that says where it goes.

      While you (or your successors) can run around the building waving a cable tracer around like a dousing rod, labels make for a lot fewer weird looks.

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    8. Re:Conduit by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cabling, everywhere. Conduits everywhere. Power for equipment that will use the cabling, everywhere.

      Monster cables! Your Excel sheets will be crisper, warmer and more spherical than you ever thought possible.

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    9. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      A slight addition on conduits; Either:

      1) Install hard smooth-walled conduits which are a trivial joy to fishtape, and buy a fishtape that'll fit the longest conduit now as part of the build-out costs.
      2) Install a pull WIRE (metal, not plastic string, it'll become fragile/weak in a couple years in my experience) in EACH unused conduit if you must use flexible conduit anywhere.

      Flexible conduit gathers dust and meh over the years even (especially) left unused, and eventually something WILL fail and you'll need to fall back to a fishtape. Better to build the conduit towards fishtaping and just go that route when needed if at all possible.

      Also, under no circumstances run ANY computer infrastructure through conduit embedded in concrete unless it's outdoor-rated gel-filled cabling. Run the pipes in the walls, where they're under nil stress compared to in-concrete strains and the habits of moisture to sneak into those pipes will cause you nothing but agony otherwise. :)

    10. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for making me laugh out loud at work.

      Your comment immediately brought back memory of the early November 2002 blog entries from JWZ's glory days setting up his "DNA Lounge" adventure, specifically those from Nov 5 and Nov 8:

      Wind blow dish down, go boom.

      Apparently we didn't tighten the bolts enough, and last night we had our first rain of the season. ``What do we need lightning arrestors for?'' we said. ``When's the last time you saw lightning in San Francisco?''

      So, we waited until this afternoon to send Bishop down the pipe to re-align the dish, since he didn't want to brave the roof in 70+MPH winds last night. Sissy.

    11. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS

      I can't stress enough that you need the place to be wired for things that you haven't even thought of. In fact for things that haven't even been invented. So not only do you need to have redundant cables in all the runs but you also need to run it to places where you currently don't have a use for it. believe me, in ten years you will be glad you did.

      That said, you don't need to put the termination equipment in until you need it.

      Also, have you considered using VOIP phones.

    12. Re:Conduit by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go with 2 meter. You might want to do away with elevators in the future, and 2m will allow pneumatic tube transport down the road.

    13. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conduit? That's so 1980's. Jefferies Tubes!

    14. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make sure it is smaller in diameter than an alien though.

    15. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't park any machine tools over the conduits

    16. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, pneumatic tube transport can be done now, if you don't mind your ears popping.

    17. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 meter? How'm I going to move my car between my office and the road with a 2 meter transport system?

      No, it needs to be 6 meter internal capacity (on all 3 axis), contain a turntable, transit horizontally and vertically, and it also has to have transparent walls so the employees can see my car. I require deep, plush carpeting; fine lighting fixtures; a wonderful couch; and air conditioning.

      I'm going to need a comely female elevator operator as well. She gets a short skirt and a high chair.

      And I'm going to need to be able to make those walls non-transparent on demand.

      See to it. I'm going golfing.

    18. Re:Conduit by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not just Cable, extra room in Conduit.Need 2" conduit, put in 4". Add an Extra empty conduit along side. Lots of Conduit Junction boxes. Lots of Power. If you need ONE drop, build four drops. If you need four, put in eight. Plan for IDFs in strategic locations along edges, even if you don't use them.

      Plan for using VOIP and no standard phone lines. Plan for WIFI as well. Double your WAP count beyond what you "need", to provide better coverage. Plan for even higher density if you're going N. Use a Managed WIFI setup (I like HPs) the cost of the WAPs are 10x your Retail, but you get that back in manageability. Think Enterprise for everything.

      Centralize your MDF for shortest Run. Meaning, put it in the middle of the building, not as a closet on one edge. Make sure you have Fiber pulled to each remote edge, just in case. Plan for 100Gbit Network now, built 10Gbit backbone, and Gig to desktop.

      Plan your RACKs now. Build them in Visio, along with the rest of your data center. Put your datacenter with your MDF. Design the whole Network, plan for your VLANS, even if you don't think you need them. Based on your information I can see the need for at least three VLANs, probably more, already.

      Did I mention, over build everything? You will use it. If you need 4 of something, and the boss usually gives you two, then triple or quadruple what you REALLY need. You cannot "over plan" or "over build" anything in IT.

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    19. Re:Conduit by jonadab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, conduit is the first thing I was going to say too.

      I mean, if you'd built the thing in 1990, you could have put in cat3 phone cable and A/V coax, and three years later you'd have been wanting network cable. If you'd built in 1994 and put in twenex cable, three years later you'd have wanted cat5. If you'd built in 1998 and put in cat5, three years later you'd have been wondering about cat5e. Maybe in a couple of years you'll want fiber optic cables. Then again, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll want KVM cables, or a new kind of audio/video cable, or USB5, or eSATA4, or WestBridge ExternalBUS cable, or IEEE 1394k, or whatever kind of cable your new SAN uses, or QuantumLine entanglement cable, or liquid-argon lines for the new cooling system, or some other wonderful new thing they come out with six weeks after your drywall is put in. Who knows? Hooray for progress.

      If you put in plenty of good conduit, you can run whatever kind of cable you need, without ripping up the walls or, even less fun than that, messing around with a half-stiff plumber's tape trying to figure out whether there's another hole through the next wall stud somewhere.

      Ideally, the conduit should be in relatively straight, relatively short runs leading from one easily-accessed junction box to another, each of which in turn connects to others. The *main* junction boxes should be connected to one another via 2-3 runs (each) of extra-large conduit, and then from those main boxes you can have branch conduits running out to the peripheral ones.

      And yeah, leaving a pull line in each segment of conduit is always good.

      Good duct work is also nice, and put in about twice as many bathrooms as you think you need, because it's a real pain to add more later. Storage space is also good.

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    20. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, hell yes. I've seen too many shops getting reamed on pull charges because the hack that set the place up only had the installers put in one cord per tube, and then he pulled the cable right on through with out adding another string. That left the place with only a cable and no string for future use.

      I'd have them pull fiber, cat 6E, and 3 strings.

      Add a couple of small "sub-stations" for switches/routers. You never know what you might need to do in the future. Trying to find a safe place for hardware and wall warts will make your life miserable.

    21. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cabling, everywhere. Conduits everywhere. Power for equipment that will use the cabling, everywhere.

      Monster cables! Your Excel sheets will be crisper, warmer and more spherical than you ever thought possible.

      Damn it, now I can't stop thinking about what a "spherical" Excel sheet would look like.

    22. Re:Conduit by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Are you planning to have to send a synthetic to the
      > other side of the complex with a laptop to pilot the ship in?

      *Shrug*. Might be a useful capability to have. Maybe you'll want to crawl in there to install new cables, or to get at the access panels from the back side, or for some other reason. Think of them as Jefferies tubes.

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    23. Re:conduit by Skapare · · Score: 1

      A TVSS is near useless if you wire the building wrong. And most buildings are wired and/or constructed wrong. For example, if some piece of equipment has its own grounding besides the power ground wire, then surge current coming in from the power line will go through the wires through the TVSS (surprise: they just pass right through the TVSS) and on out to that equipment and out through its ground. But what's worse is that a surge in the opposite direction (caused by a lightning strike or a downed power line outside) will come in through that grounding and have a possible path to somewhere via the power feed coming in. The building DESIGN along with all of the wiring DESIGN needs to be done with surge implications in mind, or it very likely will not be very effective. Fiber for communications does one great thing: it takes that part of the wiring out of the picture. If you can get all of your external communications to come in via fiber, that's even better.

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    24. Re:Conduit by froggymana · · Score: 1

      You never know what you'll need. It pays to be prepared for all possible emergencies.

      640cm is enough for anyone!

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    25. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is possibly the best advice. Make all your pathways bigger than you need, and put them everywhere. Sooner or later it will be needed, and it's the biggest physical issue for data infrastructure. And don't go wireless, thats really dumb for anything that has to work or even remotely life-safety (like industrial controls).

    26. Re:Conduit by jamiesan · · Score: 1

      Just make sure to install the conduit so that it doesn't lead to the main reactor. Don't want some hot shot pilot to blow up the whole thing with one lucky shot.

    27. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And a note on the tag that says to pull another pull string along with the new cable, for the next guy. A little time capsule :)

    28. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. If not bigger, leave empty conduit runs next to it, e.g. sometimes large conduit is overpriced, so why not 2,3,4 runs of smaller tubing. Sometimes/usually an overhead/in floor cable tray is better, lots of room, no pulling wires around corners, can go through firewalls.

      2. Lube the conduit runs with wire lube. No abrupt corners.

      3. Label everything with good labels, e.g. use cow ear tags so the numbers don't rub/fade. Even if you loose the sheet with the locations printed on it you can figure out blue3 goes to blue3.

      4. PA system should have automatic record/delay feature. These can be added on to a phone/PA system to avoid feedback. Pick up the phone, dial PA, say message, hang up, after hanging up the message is broadcast. That way you aren't fighting the battle of "I can't hear the messages in this corner!" vs "If I turn it up any more we get feedback!"/"Just hold the phone in this weird way and you won't get feedback" We've all been there. $100-200 add-on works on any old phone system.

      5. Try to centralize the IT room for shorter runs. I know Joe wants that room for his office but too bad. It's better than fighting dropped packets.

      6. Wall mount air conditioner in server room with condenser outside.

      7. Cable runs should avoid transformers and such, they should be shielded but don't count on it.

      8. Overbuild the cable trays, even to areas that don't need it. You KNOW they will change the floor plans later.

      9. Don't forget runs for the security system. i.e. IP cameras

      10. Look into a flywheel UPS which can handle the entire building. These supply the entire building with power(10-15s) until the main generator can start. This stops costly restarting of factory floor equipment, supplies power to the entire building during a power outage. Losing power even for a brief second and kill your production line. In addition it supplies power to all your servers and phone systems. Over 10 years it's way cheaper than paying for lost production and replacing desktop UPSs which aren't cheap either.

    29. Re:Conduit by dlingman · · Score: 1

      Flames. Or whirling death blades. If your conduit is big enough to climb through, it needs at least one, preferably both of those.

    30. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but taping the cable to a ferret is soo much more fun

    31. Re:Conduit by umghhh · · Score: 1

      if you sheets have round corners then there will be at least one company that would like to have some royalties paid on that idea.... so better leave all the spherical round etc and go for sharp edges - they will sue your arse for all the cuts and bruises but chances are their lawyers are not as well paid as this one bullying company ones are....

    32. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As this actually is NOT obvious to most ... toygeek is absolutely right. Having finished to build an office, I see now that what seemed to me like gross overspending on conduits and cables actually was just about right, only one year later.

    33. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lan for WIFI as well. Double your WAP count beyond what you "need", to provide better coverage.

      This is a manufacturing facility, so look out for that interference and prepare for an industrial automation system installation.

    34. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That left the place with only a cable and no string for future use.

      Attach south end of new cable to north end of old cable. Pull south end of old cable until south end of new cable is visible.

    35. Re:Conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 meters? Make that 2.10 meters. Some of us have longer sticks than others.

  4. Cat 5 and patch panels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most important thing to get right in the building stage is the cabling. You want cat5, if not cat 6, home run for all your phones and computers. I'd recommend an asterisk phone system. Either way, you want all the cabling terminated in your phone/network closet in a sane way. This means wall mounted or rack mounted patch panels for the Ethernet, and 66 blocks for phone lines. You can rearrange everything else, but cabling really needs to be done right the first time.

    1. Re:Cat 5 and patch panels by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Maybe not even 66 blocks for the phone lines; at work we're transitioning to VOIP phones for everything. I've seen a few spots where the 'phone lines' are terminated just like the network drops, they use a patches to mess with the phone lines.

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      I don't read AC A human right
    2. Re:Cat 5 and patch panels by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Cat6A cable. Always get the latest, because 10 years from now you will have a building full of Cat3. (By today's standards) Cat6A will support 10GbE Base-T, and should be good for quite a while.

  5. Better infrastructure starts with employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're the only IT person? Start there. Get someone else. Point out to your boss that if you get hit by a bus, they're likely screwed unless you have *extremely* good documentation.

    1. Re:Better infrastructure starts with employees by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Or hire up a decent local firm to offer on-site support as a backup,either at a contracted rate or prepaid. If you're just sick with the flu, they can come in and do MAC or general AD stuff, etc. Certainly they can make your life tolerable by backstopping the simple stuff while you deal with critical issues as best you can.

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  6. Priority #1 by Ashenkase · · Score: 1

    Foosball table

    1. Re:Priority #1 by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Foosball table

      Beer vending machine.

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    2. Re:Priority #1 by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

      Foosball table

      Beer vending machine.

      Problem solved: Beer-vending Foosball table!

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    3. Re:Priority #1 by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Wait.. What? The company would make you *pay* for beer? Thats crazy, just add a couple kegerators, foosball, ping pong, darts, pool table and your employees will thank you. The last factory I worked in had all of those... drinking only allowed after shift.

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    4. Re:Priority #1 by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      I seriously proposed building a beer dispensing dartboard, but the crazy management didn't like the idea.

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    5. Re:Priority #1 by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I think they just weren't enthralled with the occupational injury reporting for all the people who catch a dart in the head while pouring a fresh pint.

      The sign outside the plant would look funny:

      "1 days since last crippling beer-darts injury".

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    6. Re:Priority #1 by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Soft tip darts don't hurt that much, as long as its not in the eye. And everyone in that area should still be wearing eye protection.

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  7. Enough copper in the walls... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Running out of ethernet jacks after the fact is a damned pain, and the cost of putting in wires(unshockingly) rises once you have to punch through the wall and do a bunch of fishing to get them there.

    Even if you are Embracing The Wireless Future, you'll want enough copper to support about twice as many APs as the vendor claims you'll need. If not, you'll want even more.

    1. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Run away from "The Wireless Future" as fast as you can. Pull cable to everything that isn't moving and has an ethernet port

    2. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by Swampash · · Score: 2

      Wifi will be a disaster in a machine shop. I'm thinking welding, profile cutting, enough RF interference to sterilise an adult male at 30 paces.

    3. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What he said. I do wireless for a living, and I am a big fan of cable.

    4. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'd be the last to recommend it. It's ok for casual stuff; but it's a pain in the ass to get things like AD authentication and profile loading to actually work properly over wireless even in undemanding environments... It was mostly a preemptive note lest anybody take up the (wifi AP vendor's) refrain of how much wiring wireless deployments save you. Even when it does work, you end up with a surprising amount of cable snaking around to support the APs.

    5. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by skids · · Score: 2

      With all that interference, 3G/4G repeaters to keep staff's cell phones well lit might be worth consideration.

    6. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by Khyber · · Score: 0

      Try Li-Fi sometime when you want to work with real manly wireless technology.

      A. Unless you're inside my building, you aren't connecting to the Li-Fi network, period. Visible range light doesn't get through walls. Useful for stopping drive-by attacks from someone outside with a powerful boosted antenna
      B. HUGE amounts of bandwidth are available, well more than sub-IR wavelengths
      C. You can make it unidirectional (lasers) or almost omnidirectional (use a plain SMD LED with wide viewing angle.)
      D. As an added bonus, you can just look at the access point to see if it's even working. If it's not flashing, it's not working.
      E. We have the stuff built into common light bulb form factors, and they can form mesh networks easily.

      There are disadvantages, but as it goes, Li-Fi offers much more security and bandwidth than your typical wireless network ever will, just by nature of how it works.

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    7. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by sirsnork · · Score: 2

      Personally I would say pull multiple cables to everything that isn't moving.

      In a couple of years time when they decide to move some offices around there is nothing worse than find the old office you only pulled 4 ports too now has to support 6 people

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    8. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by hedronist · · Score: 1

      When we bought our house (2003) the guy helping me thought I was insane to pull dual CAT5e to each room for phone/data (we have a great crawl space) and 8(!) CAT5e to my new, detached office. But we're in Sebastopol, CA (in Russian, Sebastopol means "gopher") and the little f*ckers have already chewed into the Schedule 40 PVC conduit and destroyed 4 of the 8 CATe cables.

      You can never have too many extra cables / conduits. Cable is cheap, retrenching is expensive.

    9. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by wezelboy · · Score: 1

      That is the saddest thing I've heard today.

      I suggest you google "Gopher Propane"

      Galvanized steel is good, but harder to work with.

    10. Re:Enough copper in the walls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Gopher is "Suslik" in Russian

  8. Additional Staff by mj1856 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you're asking for a heart attack. I don't care how good you are, that's way too much for one guy to deal with by himself.

    1. Re:Additional Staff by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

      In fact, the staff can be infrastructure! Seriously, I can't think of a better use for a Baxter robot than in a busy machine shop.

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  9. Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you're building in an ice cap, you'll need a reliable and likely fairly powerful cooling system for your telecom/server room. You should have it spec'd into the building's system capacity with the proper ductwork installed up front. Retrofitting that sort of thing can be a pain down the road.

    1. Re:Cooling by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Funny

      Make the cooling of the server room able to heat up the building during the winters.

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    2. Re:Cooling by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      Now days just using the ductless AC's for a server room seems to work pretty well and isn't very difficult to retrofit.

    3. Re:Cooling by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Why? Colder is better for most computer systems, and they generate no small amount of heat themselves. I doubt you are going to get cold enough to be a problem... Especially with a heated office outside the door.

    4. Re:Cooling by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      And have it somewhere near and exterior door. That way if you need a generator to get you past an extended power outage, you can run one without 8 miles of power cable. (Think VoIP phones, and company web site.)

    5. Re:Cooling by silas_moeckel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please for the love of do not have it be part of the building AC especially in a machine shop. You have solvents, grease, lubricant, metal bits etc in that shop air. Building AC is not designed to run in winter (assuming you don't live where AC is required year round). The split systems are an easy install and only run a few k at the low end. Do make sure there is nothing going through the roof or carrying liquids above the room. Do try and get it on an exterior wall and have backup fans installed though the wall a couple hundred bucks of fan can cool the room well enough when the AC is broken. Depending on the type of machines you expect long term fiber is always a good thing immune to EMI from plasma cutters and the like. Good door locks that log per person to the security system is a good idea same with camera's.

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    6. Re:Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah .. when the fire retardant dumps, you'll clear out the whole building

    7. Re:Cooling by Thelasko · · Score: 2

      You have solvents, grease, lubricant, metal bits etc in that shop air.

      You have that stuff on the people too. Make sure you have some sort of buffer between the plant floor and the server room to clean yourself off. Like a mud room, but not as OCD as a full cleanroom. You don't want to bring metal shavings in with you if possible. It may be something as simple as making sure you have to pass through an office before you get to the server room.

      Also, a lot of people are mentioning HVAC. It might be a good idea to have a slightly higher (1psi) air pressure in the server room than the rest of the plant. This way contaminants will tend to flow away from the server room, instead of towards it.

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    8. Re:Cooling by black6host · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, a lot of people are mentioning HVAC. It might be a good idea to have a slightly higher (1psi) air pressure in the server room than the rest of the plant. This way contaminants will tend to flow away from the server room, instead of towards it.

      This! I've had a number of clients build new facilities and they always wanted to hide the server room in a place away from the office space in order to have more office space available. Link in a room off the warehouse. I'd make sure and tell them they'd better make sure airflow into the room is filtered and that the air pressure is greater in the room than outside or they'd be sucking all kinds of dirt into the server room

      This is also a problem with exhausting outside. Air flowing at a high rate to the outside has to bring it in from somewhere. Restaurants use what's called "make up air" returns in the kitchen so as not to pull the A/C or heat from the dining area. Basically the make up air was a separate vent to the outside located within exhaust hoods over grills and what not.

      Fortunately, many of these were HVAC companies doing their own installation and they took my advice.

    9. Re:Cooling by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      I'd agree with everyone else here in saying dedicated A/C for telecom/server rooms, but I'd also recommend your server rooms be easy to ventilate when the A/C fails, and have remote environment monitoring.

      Every place I've worked has had A/C failures in their server room(s) at least a couple times every year, and the story is always the same: "it was 98 degrees in there this morning when I got into work". And most places had the same temporary cooling solution: Open the one and only door into the room and let the hot air out into the rest of the building.

      I'm not too familiar with the solutions, but look at additional ventilation ducts in and out of these rooms and don't rely on the A/C units as the only way to get cool air into them. If you can, put two doorways into the room so you can create airflow if none of the ducts are working. Putting a fan in the single entrance never helps much.

      And as I mentioned, have some way of monitoring the environment remotely. Don't rely on system temps either. Last thing you need is to arrive the next morning with burned out servers because the A/C failed shortly after leaving work the night before. Even if you have overnight staffers, you can't expect them to walk into the server room to check the temps every ten minutes, or to know what to do when it unexpectedly fails. It doesn't take long to turn that room into a sauna once that A/C blows out.

    10. Re:Cooling by jimktrains · · Score: 1

      I know supercomputing centers that do this: the heat from the server room is used to heat the building. I'm not 100% sure of the details but it's worked for quite a long time without incident. I don't think building HVAC is used to cool the room, but somehow heat is exchanged.

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    11. Re:Cooling by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2

      I know one company that had a computer lab on the plant floor, and it was nothing but trouble. Metal dust would get into the hard drives (which require some air to operate), and floppy drives, and ruin them. They built a sealed room for these computers to deal with the problems. If you have to have computers in the plant, perhaps go for fanless sorts with solid state drives, and hermetically seal them away.

      Have 2 separate A/C and heating systems, one for the office area and one for the plant floor. That could head off all kinds of problems. In fact, isn't that now standard operating procedure for new industrial buildings?

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    12. Re:Cooling by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Worked in DC that did this they use heat exchanges to go to water, was a big IBM plant.

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    13. Re:Cooling by cynyr · · Score: 1

      just buy two dedicated ahu's for the telcoroom, make sure each is sized to handle the full load of the room plus a bit, and require a witnessed performance test of the equipment at the factory. Make sure they have a full outside air economizer and direct evap cooler (swamp cooler) to save you energy. Then run both units at part load and test that the controls will automatically ramp one unit up if the other fails (switch one off at the disconnect). Install some backup power for the two ahu's and go on with your day. If you are really paranoid, buy an extra VFD and motor for the fan.

      Sorry, the last year and a half of my life has been designing/building HVAC units for data centers. Expect to need more air than you think, and don't get mad when someone tells you that you could save $100k worth of compressors and DX coils per unit if only you raised the max allowable temp by 2-4 degrees and you would increase the PUE by a lot...

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  10. Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by stevegee58 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Other than that, have at it.

    1. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Except that our touchless toilet flushes about 4 times every time I use it.

    2. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by stevegee58 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah you must be one of the guys I hear bouncing up and down on the throne grunting.

    3. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But for chrissakes also provide

        - at least one sink that uses only manual valves
        - an emergency power-fail light unit in the restrooms, and
        - a manual flush handle on each toilet/urinal.

    4. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by tom17 · · Score: 1

      I use a post-it-note.

    5. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by tom17 · · Score: 0

      And hello, very similar UID person.

    6. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Waterless toilets would be a good addition. Touchless faucets and soap dispensers are also good, they lower germ transmission throughout the business.

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    7. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I hate toilets so small the air drier hits of as soon as you try to wipe your ass.

    8. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I've only used a touchless soap dispenser once but it was cool.

      But the one which didn't worked made you think "Doesn't it work?" and "Maybe it's run out of battery" rather than the "It's probably out of soap" which would had been my first thought in the normal case.

      Reminds me I saw this fixture and thought it looked awesome:
      http://www.moraarmatur.se/Produktinformation/Tvattstallsblandare/Mora-MMIX/Mora-MMIX-B5/Mora-MMIX-B52/

      If it's faucets I want some which actually work. Locally I've used three and one of those work nicely but I hate when people set them up so they go off and on the whole time, doesn't work at all and in at least one place people can change the temperature of the water and it's always wrong whatever that is =P

    9. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waterless toilets would be a good addition.

      No. No they wouldn't. They have mechanisms to reduce odor from the collection of waste, but that does nothing for the waste that collects on the sides of the toilet/urinal. The janitors who would have to clean it all the time will hate you. There is also the problem of plumbing. Inevitably, the contractors will (despite whatever you say you want) opt for the standard copper plumbing, which is corroded by urine, and WILL cause problems down the line. Nobody wants a piss leak in the walls.

    10. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started hanging a strip of toilet paper over the sensor.

    11. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Only if you don't ever need to use them as a toilet. If they're just for show or for a ritual sacrifice to get you into environmentalist heaven, then sure. But if you actually plan on people using the toilet, go with real toilets. (If you still need a way to get into environmentalist heaven, go with electric vehicle charging stations. No one will use them, but at least they won't cause everyone daily problems.)

    12. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by tibman · · Score: 1

      Courtesy flushes are a feature.

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    13. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by spauldo · · Score: 1

      Hang a piece of toilet paper over the sensor, or if you have a sensor that is flush (no pun intended) with the wall, spit on some toilet paper and stick it over the sensor.

      A touchless paper towel machine is nice. Touchless soap dispensers are OK, but largely unnecessary (I mean, you only touch them before you wash your hands, after all). Touchless taps are good if they work, which oftentimes they're more annoying than useful. For a machine shop, really you want one of those large center-of-the-room circular sinks with the foot pedal and soap dispensers that dispense heavy-duty anti-grease pumice soap (I love that stuff). Oh, and whatever you do, don't buy one of those automatic sinks that wash, soap, and dry automatically (see Missouri rest areas for reference). They wouldn't clean pudding off your hand, much less grease.

      Oh, and NO AC VENTS NEAR THE TOILETS! I know it's (mostly) unreasonable, but a lot of us put down paper on the toilet before sitting down, and it sucks if it blows off before you can sit. Exhast vents are fine.

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    14. Re:Touchless plumbing fixtures in the restrooms by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Thanks to you and the other commenter about hanging toilet paper over the sensor; I tried that yesterday and it worked just fine! Now I don't have to listen to an extra 15 gallons of water be wasted just to crap!

      I knew there was a reason I read slashdot.

  11. Number 1: Toilets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said...

    1. Re:Number 1: Toilets by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 1

      You should also have toilets than can handle number 2

    2. Re:Number 1: Toilets by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      'nuff said...

      What?!? Next you'll be wanting toilet paper!

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  12. Server-room, and spare wiring conduits by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2

    To go along with your telecom room, add a server room with good cooling. Additionally, have them put spare wiring conduits throughout the building, in which to run telecom and network cables. Make sure you have space for running more or different cables in the future.

    1. Re:Server-room, and spare wiring conduits by sakshale · · Score: 1

      Storage space! Space for spare computers and monitors, spare parts, cable, etc. etc. etc.

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  13. Standard stuff... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Raised floor, oversized conduit to support expansion and/or upgrade, overestimate your power needs, etc. Build a wish list, and let /them/ tell you what they won't buy; you'll never know what they are willing to invest in until you ask.

    1. Re:Standard stuff... by wwphx · · Score: 2

      Pity you posted as AC as your list is spot-on.

      My former employer, a city government, decided they were going to build a new City Hall. They did not involve IT from the beginning. The original design had no conduit, no raised floor, the server room had no additional cooling and zero additional power. The director had to fight tooth and nail to get the data center properly outfitted.

      My takeaway from this is to not trust architects to design your facilities unless they have demonstrated experience and skill at such.

      And don't forget about fire control for your server room! Also solid standby power, you might not need a generator in addition to UPS, but you might. Also emergency lighting in your server room, don't want to be in the dark if you have to do a shutdown with no overhead lights.

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  14. A decent canteen and staff facilities by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing worse than being in a building where money was no object - for the machinary, but to hell with the staff. So at lunchtime you have to wander down to some dodgy joint to get some garbage for lunch because there's nothing else around and coffee comes curtesy of Mr Vend. Thanks, but I don't care how 733t the equipment is, I don't want to work somewhere like that again.

    1. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by loom_weaver · · Score: 1

      I've visit at least one new company every week or so in the US and over the last 3 years, I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of places that had exceptional eateries.

      One place in particular not only had great food and selection, but external groups would routinely book meetings and events at this company's HQ because the cafeteria was that good! A nice source of extra revenue.

    2. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by fm6 · · Score: 2

      What, you think a 40-employee industrial company can affford a food service contract? And anyway, they asked the guy for IT recommendations.

    3. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Start with a decent kitchenette with dishwasher, hot water dispenser, and two high-watt microwaves. 95% of your lunch issues will be solved. A canteen just isnt practical for a building with less than 250 people in it. For 40 people it's just laughable. They would each have to spend like $25/day at the thing for it to be sustainable.

    4. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by Jeng · · Score: 1

      So, how much does it cost to have a vending contract?

      Even though it might not be complete food, it is something.

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    5. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by icebrain · · Score: 1

      No, there is something worse. Try having 40+ guys sharing 2 stalls--or worse, 350 people sharing 7. Just take whatever the building code says for restroom requirements and triple it. Make sure you have a shower or two on site, as well as good ventilation for the bathrooms.

      Next, install a couple of restaurant-level coffeemakers (they can handle a high duty cycle with abuse) and supply coffee, filters, and generic creamer/sugar.

      A cafeteria is a little too much for a small company like the OP works at.

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    6. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing worse than being in a building where money was no object - for the machinary, but to hell with the staff. So at lunchtime you have to wander down to some dodgy joint to get some garbage for lunch because there's nothing else around and coffee comes curtesy of Mr Vend. Thanks, but I don't care how 733t the equipment is, I don't want to work somewhere like that again.

      Don't worry, the new building's beer volcano and free plates of pasta will keep everyone happy and well fed.

    7. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Not much, but who wants to eat lunch out a vending machine?

    8. Re:A decent canteen and staff facilities by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Well you won't get a staffed cafeteria in a 40 person company, so a vending machine is better than nothing.

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  15. Some suggestions by gstrickler · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most important items are a wiring and equipment closet and several dedicated wiring channels (at no more than 30% capacity) do you can more easily upgrade the wiring and infrastructure in the future. The easier and less costly it is to upgrade your wiring/fiber, the easier it will be to make upgrades. Make sure the equipment closet is climate controlled and has a good air filtration system, dust from your CNC operations is not nice to equipment, especially metallic dust.

    As for what to put there now, I recommend Cat 6 cabling plus any specialized cabling that you currently require.

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    1. Re:Some suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on the length of the runs, might want to check out Cat 6E too.

    2. Re:Some suggestions by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      There is not Cat 6 E. There is a Cat 6A. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_6_cable#Category_6a Why have consistency when we can have STANDARDS! :)

  16. Clean, environment-controlled server room by realmolo · · Score: 1

    You're on the right track, I think.

    For a CNC place, you *need* a well-sealed, clean server room with a good independent air-conditioning system. Dust is the enemy.

    The room should have LOTS of power outlets. 220 would be nice.

    Everything else can be done later. But a decent server room is fundamental.

    1. Re:Clean, environment-controlled server room by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much transient noise is introduced to the power circuits from CNC machines. Maybe making the data center run on DC power would be advantageous.

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    2. Re:Clean, environment-controlled server room by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      Don't forget plenty of open wall space (in addition to rack space). Lots of equipment is still designed to mount on a wall and accessible wall space is a common limiter in telco rooms. Things like punch down blocks, telephone switches, T1 and other data termination gear, door access (card key) systems, alarm systems, etc. are common examples.

    3. Re:Clean, environment-controlled server room by cusco · · Score: 1

      Run all the server power through the UPS, which should filter noise and transients.

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    4. Re:Clean, environment-controlled server room by sirsnork · · Score: 1

      No UPS will be good enough for that. It'll be forever switching to battery when a big machine is switched on.

      You need to isolate all your heavy machinery from all your other outlets. Course any decent electrician will quote that as a matter of course anyway

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  17. Cat6 by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 1

    Dual Cat6 sockets on each desk
    wireless routers in each room [not for use for work stuff - just don't have wireless for anything work sensitive]
    power more power sockets than you think you need
    in the telecoms room
    UPS / UPS and more ups - everything upsed - main routers, servers, switches and telephone systems [ though if you are using IP telephony up the number of sockets at each desk]

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    1. Re:Cat6 by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dual Cat6 sockets on each desk

      You forgot to mention why, the answer is one is the production network and one is the "IT" cubie network. Its OK to put a firewall between them, but it would be a career ending incident if a receptionist clicked on an exciting "comet cursor" pop up ad or installed a toolbar or whatever and suddenly all 40 machines grind to a halt, or even worse, crash (literally). At a billable rate of $100/hr per machine this could get expensive, and that's before the mfgr rep has to come on site individually decontaminate each CNC machine controller.

      I've never worked at a employer who didn't have separate air gapped IT and production networks, but being a small place maybe you grew up different.

      Pretty much everywhere I've worked, as you upgrade the "main IT computer" the old one gets wiped, sanitized, and reinstalled as the "new" production network box, with a nice air gap between the networks. So it doesn't really cost anything to dual machine dual network every applicable station.

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    2. Re:Cat6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the fuck are you even saying?

      I need a diagram

    3. Re:Cat6 by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      UPS / UPS and more ups - everything upsed - main routers, servers, switches and telephone systems [ though if you are using IP telephony up the number of sockets at each desk]

      CNC machines, industrial area? I'd look into putting a power conditioner before the UPS. Determine your uptime requirements - how long will the servers take to shut down and such, and look into a 'room UPS'. Now, as an industrial company I doubt you'll 'need' to be up if you're without power for an extended period of time(I doubt the CNC machines will be running in that case), but it's something to think about.

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    4. Re:Cat6 by vlm · · Score: 1

      LOL you build two networks which happen to be in the same building.
      One is for the receptionist to play farmville and get infested with virii and worms and toolbars, and all the other cubie people do the same. If its down, frankly you'll make more money.
      The other network is for production where downtime costs the company $20000/hr in lost revenue.
      Although they're in the same building, they preferably never touch or only touch at a tough hardened firewall.
      Some tech people have two PCs on their desk, one on each network.

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  18. Off the top of my head by NinjaTekNeeks · · Score: 4, Informative

    1). Properly Secured Server Room
    2). AC Unit dedicated to server room
    3). Cat 6 Ethernet (2 jacks) for each desk/location
    4). Fiber between floors, multiple cables
    5). Secure locations to install Wireless Access Points
    6). Video camera's with DVR storage for a week (cabling)
    7). FOB key card access to everything (keys suck)
    8). IT Storage space for boxes, spare equipment, etc.
    9). Proper kitchen for coffee

    1. Re:Off the top of my head by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      10. I would also look into alternate ways to cool your server room. For example, if you are somewhere that has cold winters, look into an intake fan for server room cooling. Why run your AC when the air outside is already 40 degrees?

      11. Jeffries tubes. They work great on starships.

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    2. Re:Off the top of my head by wwphx · · Score: 1

      11. Jeffries tubes. They work great on starships.

      Especially if you have to reverse the polarity of the main deflector dish!

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    3. Re:Off the top of my head by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      2a) Personally, I figure two 30 amp circuits per network rack, each on a different circuit. (run two PDU's, one into the wall, one into a UPS. (with a max draw of 30 amps per rack). That number becomes very, very useful for planning how much AC you would need for a room at full capacity.

      10) you said CNC equipment. if you have something that throws MASSIVE electrical interference, either put it as far from the cable runs as possible, or run fiber, with a remote punch down panel and mini rack.

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    4. Re:Off the top of my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would even say 3 jacks for each desk/location. One for pc, one for phone (analog or ip, they both work on Cat 6) and one spare. There's always the salesperson with a desktop and a laptop. There is always the need for the extra specialized printer.

    5. Re:Off the top of my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two seperate accesses (ideally from opposite sides of the building) for internet connectivity from hopefully two different providers. This will allow fallback to the other provider if someone does something stupid with a backhoe or drives through an equipment box with a truck.

      Seperate off-site server to write remote logs to. The remote site should mirror your key mission critical servers in case of a major catastrophe (this might be a place for one or more CNC machines), so you can still deliver even if your shop is unusable for whatever reason. Note, you do not need a flood or fire... a simple (ammonia, natural) gas leak in the neighborhood might force you to evacuate the shop....

      Can you plug in a rental diesel generator somewhere in the parking lot if you are cut off from the grid? You may not want to buy that kind of equipment, but if you are cabled to plug one in, a rental might one day save your day.

      A place to keep older obsolete equipment. This will allow you to produce parts from your backups that are no longer in current production if called upon by your clients. If any equipment sold to cleints is put in faraway remote locations, customers are willing to pay big bucks for spares if you can produce them, maybe twenty or more years after they have been bought, as it is still cheaper than shipping a whole replacement to such a location or due to the required wait (think of the ice roads in northern Canada).

    6. Re:Off the top of my head by cynyr · · Score: 1

      3a) double that everywhere. The VOIP phone will need one, and the computer the other, so there would be no spare and you want spares.

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  19. Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You didn't list what business growth plans are, but I would anticipate the current employee-to-square-foot ratio staying the same even though there will be reprieve for a while. Plan your telecom/IT density accordingly, unless the business just doesn't plan to grow and is making bigger space as a luxury (highly unlikely).

    Instead of a telecom room, think more like data center. If you're doing CNC then data is a business critical function. This means proper rack space, structured cabling, fire suppression and monitoring, physical security, environmental conditioning, etc. You probably have limited IT gear now with only 40 people, but what if that number tops 100? What about when technology dictates your data storage requirements double or triple (along with backup requirements)? Can you support, power, and cool that much gear if you had to? That doesn't mean you need to install everything for it now, but make sure you have the space and power required to do it later.

    I would also consider how you get data to your people. Run at least a couple CAT6 pulls to each desk for data, as well as a phone run. I would also put in enterprise-grade WiFi (Aruba or similar), but the amount of gear you buy for that will depend heavily on building layout and construction. If everything in there is metal, you will need to bump up the access point density.

    Really the features you need depend on the things the business deems critical, but data integrity/availability and worker productivity are usually top on that list, especially for a business that requires data to even make the machines go. If you have budget to do it right, then do it with that in mind.

  20. One more Desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prior to working on the new building, I'd put some resources into having an assistant in your IT department.

  21. The Practice of System and Network Administration, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pick up Thomas Limoncell's _The Practice of System and Network Administration, Second Edition_. Phenominal book that goes over this in a very logical way. I can't speak more highly of it.

  22. Not IT related, but ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... locker rooms and showers. Probably already considered in a manufacturing facility. But you'd be surprised to see how this detail is missed in a white collar setting when employees start riding bicycles to work.

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    1. Re:Not IT related, but ... by talexb · · Score: 1

      This.

      My previous employer moved into a new space but refused to install a single shower (200 employees, and dozens of bicyclists). After a half hour commute by bicycle, a quick rinse would have been wonderful. Too bad.

    2. Re:Not IT related, but ... by PPH · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I will offer this caveat: If you are interviewing for a junior position at a law firm and they advertise an on site health club for their employees, run like hell. It means they'll be expecting you to work (very) long hours and keep a few changes of clothes on site.

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    3. Re:Not IT related, but ... by mlts · · Score: 1

      If people are riding bicycles to work, a room that uses an employee badge to enter [1], and allows people to either have bike lockers (where the complete bike can be wheeled in and locked up, or at least a good bike rack and normal lockers for securing both their ride as well as their helmet and other gear. Bonus points for mens/woman's locker rooms and showers.

      Of course, some other items for a building:

      1: Generator, properly sized. Should go without saying.

      2: Secured parking. A fence around things with limited access (perhaps locking all but one gate come nighttime) means better security overall.

      3: Painted marks separating parking spaces, similar to what is done at Costcos to allow shopping carts near vehicles. It means fewer cars able to park in the lot, but it means far fewer door dings. It also makes people who deliberately take up two spaces more obvious.

      4: Parking space locks. There are items like "That's My Spot" so a reserved space stays open until the right person with the remote hits the switch. This keeps the reserved places reserved, and keeps Mr. "I was just parking here for a second" away.

      5: A proper loading dock that can handle all truck rigs, even the long haul ones, and handle it where a truck can get in and out without insane backing up and jack-knifing gymnastics.

      6: Fuel tanks, both gasoline and diesel (if there is space.)

      7: Plenty of storage space/cages. What you think you need for storage, take the values, and double it. Valuable stuff that isn't in use, stick in a cage.

      8: Some form of cafeteria or deli. Even if it is an area outsourced to Aramark or some other place. It sucks having to choose between packing a lunch or having to drive a couple miles to find somewhere decent, so having this helps save a lot of time, especially when you can grab something to eat in minutes, not hours.

      9: This sounds crazy, but some place one can use to crash overnight. You never know when you might need to grind out a major project beyond the 9-5 workday.

      [1]: One of the best setups I've seen is that badge entry is required... and the door will open regardless if someone badges out... however a valid badge just means a siren doesn't sound for 10-15 seconds when the door opens.

    4. Re:Not IT related, but ... by tib0 · · Score: 1

      If IT guy is planning locker rooms and showers, they are doing something wrong...

  23. Cable channels by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    Lots and lots of cable channels. It will save you oodles of time and effort if you have prebuilt passageways to run cabling than it is to try and snake through ceilings. Not to mention it looks neater and is easier to trace.

    Take a systematic approach to labeling and documenting where every cable goes and what it connects to. You might be the only person now, but at some point you won't be there OR, as unbelievable as it sounds, someone else may be hired to work with you.

    As for a closet, in some of our buildings that is literally what we have; closets where the racks are. If you have to go that route, make sure you leave yourself enough room to do things without running into the walls or having to slide your hand through a slit not much bigger than an orange. Lighting is also helpful as is airflow.

    Storage. All those cables, extra switches, parts and whatnot take up more space than people realize. Something that can be secured. Standard metal shelves with labeling for everything will do the job nicely.

    Finally, if you can manage it, some dark, twisting tunnels which look all alike.

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    1. Re:Cable channels by cavehobbit · · Score: 1

      But for the love of Darwin, NOT SYFY

  24. Secure server room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With the rise of CAD and CNC your business is more dependent on reliable computing resources than ever before.

    You may not need a huge room, but you do need for it to always be available. UPSs, good server backups (to the cloud maybe), good networking, good environmental conditioning (on the UPS!) etc.

    The last thing you need is to be the problem blocking 40 machinists from doing their work.

  25. UTP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Map your machines and make sure you have at least 2 high quality, shielded UTP cables and some power for each. They come in very handy when you want to remote monitor a machine by IP camera, for instance when doing a 24h production run.

    1. Re:UTP! by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Shielded UTP just be STP?

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  26. Proper cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Figure out how many BTUs your equipment puts out (plus extra for future - ex, if you plan on implementing blade/SAN chassis in the future, they can put out a ton more heat than you currently have) and make sure an appropriate HVAC/air conditioner is installed, pref. separate from the rest of the building. This includes cooling options for any remote closet that has equipment in it. It would be unfortunate to have a nice new building but some switches overheat due to poor ventilation/cooling.

  27. Dedicated A/C system by kevink707 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On my required list would be a separate dedicated A/C system for your equipment room. Too often computer/telephone rooms are connected to whatever A/C system is convenient which leads to problems -- One of my horror stories was management turning off the A/C in the lunch room which had been running 24x7 to save energy, little did they know that the lunch room A/C was shared by the computer room on the other side of the wall.... :-(

  28. Data Room Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do not scrimp on design. Get someone who knows data room cooling and can help you design an efficient system that won't drain your energy bill. Don't simply throw a ton (or tons) of cooling at the room, vent the heat outside (or into the buidling for actual heating if there's cold weather.)

  29. Connectivity by lionchild · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rule number one: Don't skimp on network drops. It's easier and cheaper to install them when you're building/finishing a facility than to try to go back later and re-run extra data lines. Ideally, plan twice as many as you think you need. Barring that, drop at least one more than you think you need in each location. The spare can be used for when you buy new equipment, add a printer, phone, etc..

    Fire related equipment should be on its own separate network. Not a VLAN, it's own actual network. I've seen facilities grow, that were small in the beginning and ran fire on the same physical network as regular data. Regular data needs grew, and despite QoS settings, the fire system started getting starved for network traffic and the fire controllers were reading that they list contact with remote sensors, which triggers an alarm. Once the link is re-established a few seconds later, the alarm resets. Then a little later, you get another false alarm because it missed a check-in from a sensor.

    Be generous with power drops. CNC equipment will likely need their own power, but be thoughtful about where you'll have power for various printers or workstations, anything that might need a dedicated circuit, in case a CNC were to cause a circuit breaker to trip. When you have a Server/Telecomm room, make sure it's big enough to suppor both the network rack, a telecom rack and a server rack or two. Check and double-check that you have dedicated circuits to the room for each rack you're planning to run.

    Be generous with air flow in the Server/Telecomm room. It will generate more heat than you expect. Plan on it having its own, dedicated AC system.

    Backup Power, plan to have it. If your phones are IP-based, you want to be able to have power for them during an outage, as well as your fire system. An onsite backup generator would be very nice. If you can't swing that, be sure to have, check, test and keep working, a good set of UPS devices to provide power during an outage.

    I know you have a limited budget, but shoot for the moon, don't cut corners where you don't have to. Doing it right will serve the organization for years to come, even after you retire or move on...or have to hire more IT folks!

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    1. Re:Connectivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be generous with power drops. CNC equipment will likely need their own power, but be thoughtful about where you'll have power for various printers or workstations, anything that might need a dedicated circuit, in case a CNC were to cause a circuit breaker to trip. When you have a Server/Telecomm room, make sure it's big enough to suppor both the network rack, a telecom rack and a server rack or two. Check and double-check that you have dedicated circuits to the room for each rack you're planning to run.

      Look at eletrical bus systems for the more equipment-focused areas (CNC, server rooms). You don't have to worry about drops as much (total amperage becomes the limiting facotr), and you can mix-and-match voltages without having to call in an eletrician.

      http://www.ge-energy.com/products_and_services/products/busway/index.jsp
      http://www.uecorp.com/busway/
      http://www.google.com/search?q=electrical+busways

  30. Conduits and Access Panels. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's already been mentioned, but should be emphasized.

    Build sealed conduits and access panels, assuming that Cat5 might become obsolete tomorrow.

    You should be able to install all non-power wiring after full construction of the building, using minimal tools, and keeping it all tidy and hidden.

    1. Re:Conduits and Access Panels. by thereitis · · Score: 1

      You're going to want CAT6 for gigabit networking in this environment.

  31. required items by mhatle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Security for the infrastructure room.. (I don't care if it's a closet or a multimillion dollar server room..) Solid core, fire rated doors with appropriate locks. (Amazing how many businesses don't have the minimum there!)

    As someone else said, conduit and wiring ability to expand over time. If someone wants to run 1" conduit, double it to 2" or 3". In the future there will be some new technology and it's almost impossible to ever remove old wiring, but adding new will be much easier.

    Climate control -- note I didn't say air conditioning. For the best results, the room should have the ability to have it's own climate control. This may mean air cleaners (if fresh air is used for heating/cooling), air conditioning unit, etc. Don't rely on the building system, because as technology changes the heating/cooling requirements of the technology will change.

    A space twice the size you need.. Equipment is always changing in size.. both bigger and smaller, as are the company needs.. room to grow is a good thing!

    Finally power.. the room should have it's own dedicated power feed, that can easily be managed by a generator, power backup unit, etc.. even if you don't need those things today, planning ahead for them makes it a whole lot cheaper if you do ever need them. Again relying on building wide power is fine for a while.. but it's much better to have the ability for dedicated stuff in the IT room.

  32. Same situation here by Ravaldy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We are looking at moving to a facility double the size of ours. My hit list is:
    - 10x10 server room. All wiring for phones and network will land there
    - CAT 5E or Cat 6 cabling throughout for phone and data
    - Dropping the old nortel phones for VOIP (internal only) phones. Easier to configure and has tones more features
    - 4 drops in every office (You never know when they'll need it and they'll try to cramp 2 people in there
    - Roaming wireless AP through the plant (we will be going to 60000 sqft so I have 6 of them)

    I'm not going to talk about electrical and other facilities since electricians have a good handle on what companies need today (usually 2 double outlets per room and 20amp circuit for microwaves in lunch room)...

  33. A ZPM by rossdee · · Score: 2

    A ZPM for independant power supply

    1. Re:A ZPM by cynyr · · Score: 1

      make sure it's not almost empty or it won't be able to power both the shields and the cloak at the same time.

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  34. tubes by polar+red · · Score: 1

    Pneumatic ones.

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  35. A fail safe by paiute · · Score: 1

    A thermonuclear device planted below the building - in case things go bad.

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    1. Re:A fail safe by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Being euphamistic also leads to ambiguity. You could be talking about storing a tokamak below the building, which is, after all a thermonuclear device, just not a bomb. In the event of an emergency, it will draw a lot of power and spit out a few neutrons. I'm not sure how this will be much use.

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    2. Re:A fail safe by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      It's the only way to be sure...

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    3. Re:A fail safe by paiute · · Score: 1

      Being euphamistic also leads to ambiguity. You could be talking about storing a tokamak below the building, which is, after all a thermonuclear device, just not a bomb. In the event of an emergency, it will draw a lot of power and spit out a few neutrons. I'm not sure how this will be much use.

      Could be either:
      1. Warhead: activation reduces neighborhood to plasma. Problem solved.
      2. Fusion experiment: activation sucks up all electrical power, capital and labor for miles around. Problem erased or at least rendered comparatively unimportant.

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  36. Prepare for change by dbc · · Score: 1

    Technology moves all the time. Make it easy to pull new cables/fiber/whatzits as you need it.

    A few years ago, I saw a new Electrical Engineering building at a uinversity. Every office and lab backed up to a 6 foot wide access hallway that was essentially a giant, walk-in cable tray. New connectivity was a simple matter of going through the wall.

    Now, I'm sure you don't have that kind of budget or space. But consider how close you can come to that. A machine shop always needs to get AC power and air around, also. Mabye there is some building layout that serves both purposes.

    1. Re:Prepare for change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not run data cable with electrical cable.

    2. Re:Prepare for change by Above · · Score: 2

      Planning for the future is the key, and equally key is keeping it SIMPLE.

      Dropped ceilings make it much easier to run cable later. Your HVAC guy will want to run his duct work down the center of the hall, don't let him. During construction it's only slightly harder for him to run it over the offices. Run a tray over the hall for data cabling. Down the road when you need drops to a remodeled office or conference room you can run them in the hall without interrupting all the people working at their desks along the way.

      Similarly, a couple of 4" conduits to the roof, basement, or other areas that seem like "they will never need cabling" will pay huge dividends down the road when just one thing needs to be installed in those locations, and it will. This is especially true for non-computer IT stuff; security cameras can be very difficult to install/cable if not thought about ahead of time. Things like curtesy phones are rarely properly planned.

  37. Well, That All Depends... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Your needs will depend on, among other things, your layout. Is it a shop/front office setup, a series of small rooms, or just one big open area? Depending on what the physical setup of the building (and computers/phones), a single distribution frame may not be appropriate. Considering the size of the building, I would assume that, in addition to your main distribution frame, at least one IDF (independent distribution frame, i.e. "small telecom closet") would be necessary to overcome the attenuation limitations of Ethernet cabling (assuming this isn't a end-to-end fiber shop, a situtation which would provide many different questions and answers).

    Assuming that the cable is run in anything other than under-floor conduit, talk to your architect about how and where the cable raceway will be placed. It's been my experience that most architects don't take cable installation concerns into account when designing floorplans, and thus you often end up with situations where it is next-to-if-not-impossible to get a new cable down a certain length of run, because the designer placed the raceway too damn close to HVAC equipment, or it runs blind 30' up a column with no access port, or any of at least a dozen other stupid situation's I've been in because nobody thought discussing layout was worth the time.

    What else, what else... Well, you'll probably want to have some 220 and/or 440 circuits brought into your distribution frames, just in case you need that sort of power at a later date (if you don't already now) - I know the Cisco Catalyst series of routers require at least 1 220v Twist-Loc connection for power, 2 with redundant power supplies.

    That's about all the advice I can think of to give, considering the limited information you've provided. Still, useful stuff.

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  38. fewer boss levels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    big money saver.

  39. Showers. by rthille · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So that employees can cycle or run/walk to work, or at lunch and not stink up the place. Fit employees are cheaper on the health-care front and happier.

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    1. Re:Showers. by himself · · Score: 1

      How about a locking room where people can put their bicycles if they either ride to work, or want to ride at lunch (and leave their bike overnight).

  40. Phone suggestions by mrAgreeable · · Score: 1

    For the phones I would make sure your telephony switch supports VoIP handsets and wire anywhere you expect to have a telephone with PoE. All the VoIP phones I've used have a built in switch so you can plug the user's workstation into the phone. Newer phones will have a gigabit switch. I've done testing with Avaya and Cisco phones and I couldn't find any bandwidth limits when plugged into the phone vs. straight into the wall jack. It's a great setup because you don't need power dongles or redundant wiring for the phones. Each desk has one jack for voice and data.

    Check the power draw from the phones and make sure your switch can provide enough. I've seen PoE switches that can't light up every port because some devices were pulling too much power. Current-generation phones seem to take far less power than they did a couple of years ago unless they have big fancy LCD screens.

    This may require an upgrade to your PBX though, which can be expensive. For the size organization you're talking about (or for just about any size, depending on specific features you need) going with Asterisk might be a great idea. You get free conference bridge support, voice mail, menuing, etc. and can perhaps ditch the service contract you're paying right now. You can find IP phone service as well or if you want to stick with T1s (or copper if it's cheaper), Digium sells hardware to support that which is generally pretty affordable.

    And, unrelated to the phones, you might want to put LAN drops in the ceiling throughout the office for wireless access points.

  41. Generators / bloombox's , UPS's.... by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 1

    and Power (3 phase if possible) and enough to triple what you have now to plan for future growth.

  42. Closets by hymie! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somebody's going to mod me down, but I'm dead serious. This is the second time a company I worked for has moved to a new location with no storage space for anything at all -- HR documents, financial documents, machinery (both active and surplus), office supplies, even employee's coats. Let me assure you how professional it looks to have random file cabinets placed all over what are supposed to be ADA-compliant-width hallways. </sarc>

    1. Re:Closets by weiserfireman · · Score: 1

      This is an awesome tip and one we had completely overlooked. We already have problems with storage space, we should include options to solve that now.

    2. Re:Closets by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      As a person who was moved from a building with storage space to one without, I'm going to have to agree with this. Don't forget a Janitor's closet. I was appointed the building custodian, and I'm forced to keep the spare lights(standard 4' flourescents) down in the basement entry hallway as the 'most out of sight' spot. We're also in a snow area, there's really no good place to keep the snow shovels during the summer now that the safety guy banned keeping them in the mechanical rooms.

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  43. Accessibility and Power Backup by GJSchaller · · Score: 1

    Two essential things you'll want to consider, or at least ask about:

    1) Power in the event your main electrical supply goes out. Do you have a UPS in the data center? Do you need a generator on-site to keep things running? How much is it powering - just IT, or the CNC machines, too?

    2) Make sure every damn thing in the building is easy to access once the building is complete. Light bulbs, faucets, AV equipment, etc. We moved into a beautiful building in 2006, with all sorts of high-tech displays all over the site, embedded into the walls. The majority of them are next to impossible to access if you want to re-seat a cable, replace a power supply, change a bulb, etc. It's at the point now where most of them are off and dormant, because it will require a general contractor to access them and do minor maintenance.

    1. Re:Accessibility and Power Backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TEST TEST TEST. Test the generator and UPS, and not just a simple, it starts up testing.
      Kill the street power, see if the generator starts up and run properly. I learned this from experience. We had long power outage, the generator worked(as tested). However we discovered the AC for the room wasn't hooked up to generator. We had to shut down servers before the room got too toasty.

      If you do this now, before the building is in use, when the shit hits fan you will be better off.

    2. Re:Accessibility and Power Backup by cusco · · Score: 1

      Place that I worked the generator came up fine, but we found it only had a fuel tank large enough to power it for about 5 hours. Oops.

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  44. One Word: Halon. by tibit · · Score: 1

    Oh, and a big red button for the BOFH to initiate discharge. Preferably with PFY and his (perhaps imaginary) girlfriend snuggling behind a warm rack ;)

    But seriously, just deal with two CAT6 cables going to every desk -- that's all. You don't need any phone wiring, because in this day and age, you can buy cheap IP phones -- say used Zultys ZIP4x4s that cost at most $50 each and work well (but look like crap, sorry) with Asterisk. They have managed ethernet switches built-in. You'll want a decent Linux server, capable of running Asterisk. For the phones, probably you should get a PRI line coming in, or get a decent Internet connection and use VOIP, but PRI is less of an unknown if you need to deal with faxes. The PCI or PCI-X PRI card from Digium will cost between $500 and $1000 IIRC, but is well worth the investment. Get some nice HP ProCurve PoE switches, you can get them used. For your secretary and the CEO you'll want Aastra 6755i as that looks better and has fully documented bells and whistles, and isn't doesn't cost much more used either. You can get Suzy's Twitter feed on them if you so wish :)

    Just look on eBay, be careful, and you'll figure out there's a couple of sellers there who are good and have first hand knowledge of HP gear and they do actually refurbish it, apply updates so you won't waste time, etc. I suggest HP gear over Cisco, as with HP you don't need any support contracts and updates are free as long as product remains in support. Cisco won't speak to you unless you fork over some money or already have a "blanket" support contract with them.

    Avoid any sort of vendor lock-in. Don't go for closed systems.

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  45. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows!

  46. Off-Grid Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure you have diversified off-grid power to gracefully power-down the server room, maintain server A/C and building access security: UPS, Generator, Solar, Wind. Great for green promotion and those pesky power glitches. Be very disciplined on those monthly tests, the one system you didn't test is the one that fails.

  47. Bathroom by zmooc · · Score: 1

    A bathroom. With showers.

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  48. Most important! by NEDHead · · Score: 1, Funny

    Private office with full bath and sleeping arrangements (preferably with the receptionist)

    1. Re:Most important! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hi, my name is Todd, your new receptionist!

    2. Re:Most important! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful. I have seen receptionists that have a strong resemblance to Mongo.

  49. Over build now by kenh · · Score: 2

    I'd suggest the most important things will be power for the server room (incl UPS & backup generator, scaled to your runtime needs for orderly shutdown of servers in case of an extended outage) and run conduits/wiring shelves to enable the easy stringing of fiber/copper in the future.

    I'd also suggest making sure the building is wifi/wireless friendly - if all interior walls are metal, for example, you may need an ungodly number of APs to enable wireless networking.

    As for the server room, I'd think real hard about the size room you think you'll need, then double it. This is your chance to ensure you have enough room for everything now, and while virtualization is all the rage, I wouldn't use that to justify skimping on space. You'll want romm for the equipment, systems you are working on, spare parts, and perhaps space for your desk (preferably with a door between you and the server to cut down on noise).

    Run wiring trays in the server room - run the wires overhead, not under raised floor.

    Finally, don't forget cooling - as servers become denser and denser, their heat output doesn't shrink in my experience. Also, not familiar with CNC shops, but air filtration for the server room might also be in order.

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    1. Re:Over build now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm aware of an incident where backup power for the servers was carefully considered but backup power for the AC unit to the server room was not. Hardware and a person's career were damaged. The server room is likely to overheat in 30 minutes or less. So don't overlook this. It may be that an CNC shop has to pretty much shut down when the power goes out. If that is the case, maybe you don't need backup power for the server room AC. You would just need to somehow make sure everything gets shut down within a reasonable time frame after the power goes out.

  50. Apart from conduit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (ok still with conduit), Overbuild the wiring layout. If you expand or change machines, you will need to run new wire to the machines (I am assuming CNC machines). You just can't plug a USB stick into a drill press anymore (although that will work). Its better to have programs downloaded to machines over wires. Make sure your conduit is large enough to support maybe double the amount of wire you initially intend to run. A wiring closet (or set of closets) is also a good idea. Remember that when they install new milling machines or CMMs (Computer Measuring Machines), they will likely need to cut the concrete floor and possibly add a sand barrier + lots of rebar and concrete to isolate that machine from vibration of all the other machines, and also to keep that machine very well secured. The conduit run might be better 4 feet off the floor along the outside wall. Also overhead runs and conduit lines coming down from the ceiling might be your best bet. I worked for a place that was 160,000 square feet. They mostly made oilfield parts. 45 CNC lathes, 20 CNC mills (small precision 5 axis Mori Sekis to big Hitachis), 5 manual lathes, 1 manual mill, and about a dozen Charmilles CNC EDMs (Electronic Discharge Machines). All CNC machines were 'wired'. They did not want operators bringing their own USB sticks into the shop.

  51. Need more detail here -- by Bookwyrm · · Score: 1

    Does the IT systems have to be up 24/7 for the CNC rigs? If so, what about UPS/generators/power backup?

    You mention security systems, too -- that's another ball of wax. Going with badges, biometrics, security guards, or what?

    Fire systems? Are you both the IT guy and the guy in charge of a fire suppression system? In a CNC manufacturing environment? Do you work with hazardous materials on the CNC floor? If so, get an expert.

    Hot climate, cold climate? Wet, dry? Flood zone? Likely to get buried in snow zone? Is the new facility out in the middle of nowhere? Middle of a big city? High crime zone? War zone? It sounds like you've got the obvious stuff down, but are asking for the non-obvious, but without a more information, the non-obvious stuff is harder to suggest. (i.e the sort of thing like 'Oh, it's in *that* country/state -- don't do X, because regulation/union/group Y will bite you.') It's hard to 'be in your shoes' without a bit more info.

    1. Re:Need more detail here -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a 30,000 sqft cnc facility is going to take a pretty substantial UPS to keep running through an outage.

    2. Re:Need more detail here -- by weiserfireman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Location is the Treasure Valley in Idaho, climate is pretty mild, but we are in the 100 year flood plain. The new facility will be next door to our current facility. We are in the city limits of a small town and do have hydrant access.

      We do work with Titanium sometimes, which requires us to maintain Class D extinguishers. Because I am a Volunteer Fireman in a neighboring town, I happen to be a Fire Code Official for the State Fire Marshal's office. Which is why, my boss asks me for recommendations on what we are needing on the fire side too. I have already made a couple calls to alarm and sprinkler people for their recommendations.

      We do some DoD work. At a minimum, I am going to request that all the doors be standardized to accept an access control system, in the future, if I can't it included in the original project. That will include conduit to support the wiring.

      AC system seperate from the plant for the Server and Telecommunications Equipment room isn't something that I had thought of, but it is a great idea. I already told the boss that we might want better exhaust fans in one section because of the oil cooled machines there. They create a nice oily mists that really can gunk up equipment. It is a lot better than it used to be when we used Cam driven machines. But is still nasty.

      Yeah, the non-obvious stuff is the trick here. I am trying to really future proof the infrastructure so people will find the building useful well into the future.

    3. Re:Need more detail here -- by Bookwyrm · · Score: 1

      Okay. So, essentially the same location, so it sounds like you're already familiar with/on top of most of the local issues/regulations/environment, plus you have the Fire Code bit, so... actually sounds like you're in pretty good shape.

    4. Re:Need more detail here -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are doing DoD work, you might want to future-proof a little in the construction phase and have something like electrically grounded chicken wire in the walls of the server room and ensure that there are no windows. You can read up on TEMPEST to find out more.

      Everyone has mentioned dedicated air conditioning. A few have pointed out that climate control is what is needed. I will be more explicit here: You need to have a system that controls temperature AND humidity. This seems like it should be fairly inexpensive to do in Idaho.

      strike

    5. Re:Need more detail here -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a CNC machine shop, I expect your doing or planning to do Lights-Out Manufacturing. Ideally you need network drops to all of your CNC machines, not only to transfer data, but also for LO monitoring. You may wish to run extra drops so you can add IP cameras to your machines for LO, or remote monitoring. You probably also need (non-ethernet) drops for machine file sensors broken tool detection etc. I would research with remote monitoring tools to see what types of data cabling you will need. For the CNC ethernet drops, consider either Fiber or Shielded CAT-5 cables since the CNC will put out a lot of EMF. Ideally you want to mount the data and power cables from the ceiling. If your new building is going to have a high ceiling, you can install suspended cable conduit so that you don't need a cherry picker to reach them. Also consider careful placement if your build will have overhead cranes or be using forklifts to move the heavy parts around the floor. Its not a good idea to run the cabling under the floor when you have machines leaking coolant (or accidental spills) and problems caused by swarf\chips. Installation of fire suppression into the CNC machines would also be useful, especially for LO operation.

      Ideally you want to install airfilters on inbound air ducts since networking equipment and servers don't handing CNC working fluilds\dust\etc. Put in frames to hold the filters inside of the equipment room, instead of just where the blower is, unless the blower is inside of the room. Perhaps installing magnets under door jams to collect ferrious chips that might be tracked into the equipment rooms. This would tray any magnetic dust that is sweep near the door of the equipment room, but this does not stop non-magnetic dust from entering. A small positive pressure the equipment rooms would help prevent dust from getting in.

      If your business requires loading dock or doors to the outside to be open frequently or for long periods, consider installation of air curtains to prevent cooling\heating from escaping. Also helps keeping the bugs out and humid air which can be a problem if it condenses on raw and finish steel material that isn't rust protected. Perhaps include HVAC with humidity issues in mind.

      Security cameras and networked alarm system, Theft is a growing problem and you need tools to monitor your very expensive machines and equipment. Thevies are now targeting CNC shops because of the high-value items, Welding Equipment, carbide tools, and even equipment that requires a forklift are now prone to theft. Consider that because of the poor economy, cities and towns are cutting law enforcement staff and response times are rising. You can bet that the Theives are taking notice and using this to their advantage.

    6. Re:Need more detail here -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are in the flood plain then you are going to want to go with overhead runs whenever possible (unless the FIRM data shows the water gets above ceiling height, in which case you shouldn't be there). Any IT/telecom equipment should be placed above the 100 year flood height. This way when you flood you won't lose as much equipment.

      I would plan on a completely independent guest/non-business wireless network to accommodate visiting clients, worker's IPads, etc. I travel a lot and I can't tell you how much of a pain it is to find a cell-signal so my mifi will work. It also keeps employee's personal devices off of the corporate network. Employees and guests will be happy to have internet access, you will be happy not to have the security threats. You may even put a printer on the quest network.

      As for non-IT amenities I would ask for a gazebo and grill. And a WAP that covers it. It's always nice to have a place to relax outside.

    7. Re:Need more detail here -- by Rival5 · · Score: 1

      Agree with the AC, we need more details. It also sounds like you are involved with more than just IT infrastructure. I'm a Manufacturing Engineer at a large production facility (200+ CNC's, Vacuum and Carbonizing Furnaces, Salt baths, Sand and Bead, Deburr/Polishing) A separate dedicated HVAC, power supply, UPS, generator backup are a must for your server room. Pull your makeup air for the HVAC either through a filter or from outside. The oils from the coolants/cutting oil and sand/compound from deburr/polishing gets into everything. Put more power in the server room then you need and put more drops in your office and floor then you need. I disagree with using magnets though to keep chips out. There is no easy way to clean up the magnets that have collected chips. Just keep the server room positively pressured. Get a machine/power layout of your floor so you know where you need to go to and what to avoid. I have large 480V 3 phase bus bars hanging from my ceiling that I have to watch out for. If you're pushing programs to your machines you will need to know where they are for your drops. DraftSight is free and is a great way to do layouts. A cad layout also helps when you are expanding or for whatever reason you need to move machines to see product flow(great if your going lean and one piece flow), and any access or movement need in or around your machines. You can also mark the three foot access for electrical panels and access to fire extinguishers and first aid kits so you do not block those with machines. As some one else mentioned you may need an IDF(s) to get the coverage you need for all your drops. Wireless AP's also help when you're in the middle of your floor and need access to you net. Overhead cable trays makes it easy to add and remove cabling, just keep your fire and security network separate.

    8. Re:Need more detail here -- by cusco · · Score: 1

      I work with access control, alarm systems and security cameras. Made an entry up-thread (attached to an extremely good post) that you might consider.

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    9. Re:Need more detail here -- by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      We do work with Titanium sometimes, which requires us to maintain Class D extinguishers.

      Make sure you coordinate with the local fire department on this. One company I worked for didn't, and there was a bit of excitement when a tray containing 50 pounds of magnesium shavings caught fire. The company's stock of class D extinguishers wasn't enough to put it out, and when the fire department showed up, it turned out that they didn't have anything to fight exotic-metal fires with.

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    10. Re:Need more detail here -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The building itself should be a Monolithic Dome. http://www.monolithic.com/

      Tornado proof and ridiculously energy efficient.

  52. A good kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beside all the obvious cabling and whatever, I would install a good kitchen.
    Preferably with room for doing a whole rotisserie pig.
    And you need a big walk in fridge for curing meat.

    Hey, I don't work in a CNC shop.

  53. Notice on floors by blue_teeth · · Score: 1

    DO NOT FUCKING stand and talk on walkways and doorways.

  54. cable trays. cable ducts by swschrad · · Score: 1

    you can never have too many cable trays and ducts. makes pulling and replacing so much better. you will never get more space, so spec double sized equipment room with a separate air handler. oil vapor and water vapor from the cutting tools does not go well with servers and stuff.

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  55. Not just cooling - separate ventilation stack by Medievalist · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been down this road a few times - install separate ductwork leading in and out of the server/telco room (with the intakes on the opposite side of the building from your other ductwork) if you can possibly afford it.

    Dirt and machine oil and metal filings can move surprising distances. Separate HVAC to the server room works far better than extra filters which just get clogged.

    Also, like others have said - conduit for data lines to every workstation. Potentially cheaper than fiber (if you do it right the first time) and more durable and future-proof.

    1. Re:Not just cooling - separate ventilation stack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to consider positive pressure for the comm room. I generally suggest an 18" raised floor. You can use forced air cooling from under that floor and run cabling under that floor, too. Other alternatives involve using chilled water directly to the rak for cooling. You should get some kind of battery backup, possibly with a flywheel, and a backup generator. Get floor to ceiling walls for the room. You should get some kind of lock on the door. I prefer electronic locks, but I have a larger team with more turnover. A deadbolt could work fine for you.

    2. Re:Not just cooling - separate ventilation stack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A building I once worked in had a nice handy convenient side of the building with all of the machine rooms, double doors, duct work and a handy parking area where maintenance trucks can pull up to do work, replace heavy machinery, etc..

      And, it turned out, to idle the damn diesel engines right in front of the air intake vents. Gag city!

      Definitely put the building intake vents where they're not likely to be next to idling trucks, lawnmowers, leaf blowers, etc.

    3. Re:Not just cooling - separate ventilation stack by cusco · · Score: 1

      Make sure that the air intake for the server room is not next to the smokers' area. Practically had a heart attack one time when I smelled smoke in the server room, and only after sticking my nose down next to every single machine, popping up a floor tile, removing a ceiling tile, and checking the UPSs did I finally figure out that the smoke was from outside.

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  56. Double plus 1 by runner_one · · Score: 1

    Plan for the future.You can never have too much cabling in the walls.
    Every cable run double what you think you need and then add 1
    For example a location that will get one computer, run 3 cat6 cables. A location that gets 2 computers run 5 cat6 cables.

  57. Take it step by step by chainsaw1 · · Score: 1

    First, make sure you know all the current needs. Are you just doing to electrical infrastructure, or ALL of it. Who else is providing input to your boss? There are certain groups that will have higher priority in the building design, such as Safety & Occupational Health, Human Factors, etc. Make sure these are covered BEFORE you start planning. You don't want safety to throw up a flag if you need a power box near an eyewash station.

    Next, ask what is in the business pipeline for the near and far future. You may know some of these, but not all of them...

    Check industry vendors to get an idea of where the future of CNC equipment you may be using is going. What infrastructure will be needed to support these capabilities? How will the workfloor change to accommodate these machines?

    Bearing these in mind, scope up your desired infrastructure. Keep in mind:

    a) Boss may not be able to afford everything. Make sure it is possible to scope back your design. Be sure to also know and communicate what risks become more likely if the scale-down is needed. There will also be compromise if multiple designers present conflicting designs.

    b) Remember your *ilities. Make sure changes can be implemented, because maintenance, breakdowns, and logistics happen and the world has revolutionary changes that nobody expects.

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  58. CONDUIT IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conduit all of your network/Telephony runs from the Telco/IT closet to the jacks. Makes adding runs and upgrading so much easier

  59. A real IT room. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    AS in dedicated AC, dedicated power and dedicated power backup systems. None of this "use storage closet 1A" crap with no AC and no real power.

    Get them to run 4 dedicated 20 amp circuits into that closet. a dedicated AC unit and have them insulate all the walls to keep noise down and cooling efficient. a nice sealing steel door as well to keep the sound from intruding into the office space as well.

    Oh and if you need 3 racks in there, ask for 6 racks of space. I hate the "we made the room wide enough for 3 racks"... how am I supposed to get to the back of them?

    Lastly, assume the contractor and architect are morons. you must spell out your needs exactly. as in "IT closet is 42.5 inches wide by 77.341 inches long with a 92 inch ceiling clearance. Fiberglass batting in all walls and ceiling with 6 inch conduits leaving the room (specify 2X the size of any wiring conduit to ANY location.)

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    1. Re:A real IT room. by doesnothingwell · · Score: 1

      Lastly, assume the contractor and architect are morons. you must spell out your needs exactly.

      Someones always nearby helping you save money, beware of them. I've seen a jail's upper floor sewage lines routed above the sever room. (think shit storm) A different jail whose door security network that was supposedly separate from the IT network. A legal office whose IT network virus knocked out the Voip sharing the LAN.

      The real scary thing is I know there's something we've all missed, radioactive ferrets?

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  60. oh, boy! by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

    I am the only IT person.

    If NOTHING else, a backup for you.

  61. I do this for a living by xkr · · Score: 1

    I design IT for buildings.

    Be sure to put in enough access points for wireless. If you can't afford a lot, at least pull the cat6.

    If you want to use any kind of access control (card keys for doors) make that IP-based, not the ancient 6-wire proprietary cable.

    If you want security cameras, those should all be Ethernet, too. Again, at least pull the cable and terminate it in a J-box.

    Put in a small server room (size of an office) with extra air-conditioning, no window, and a heavy-gauge door.

    As far a servers go, everything is going VMware now.

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    1. Re:I do this for a living by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be sure to put in enough access points for wireless. If you can't afford a lot, at least pull the cat6.

      ...It's a MACHINE SHOP. The RFI would be a nightmare.

      If you want to use any kind of access control (card keys for doors) make that IP-based, not the ancient 6-wire proprietary cable.

      So that any idiot with a laptop can hack into your building's physical security system. Perfect!

      If you want security cameras, those should all be Ethernet, too. Again, at least pull the cable and terminate it in a J-box.

      and now the hacker can monitor the people inside the building without your knowledge.

      I would love to visit some of the buildings that you have designed IT for. The companies that you have designed this for must not take privacy seriously.

    2. Re:I do this for a living by cusco · · Score: 1

      I work in the physical security field. That "ancient 6-wire proprietary cable" is going to be far, far more reliable than the best switch on the market today. We have installations that have been running for 20+ years that still work perfectly. By the way, it's not proprietary in any way, it's RS-485 serial cabling, and if they're running reader controllers out to the doors they're doing it wrong. Everything should be home-run, all your controllers in locked enclosures in a single secure location. Only readers, strikes, door contacts and REXs out in the field, and everything should be supervised with 1k/2k resistor packs. Admittedly most security contractors won't do that, but then if you're contracting your security to the lowest bidder you've already failed before you started.

      I agree about the cameras. They will probably to VLAN them away from the rest of the network traffic, and change the username/password on them. Again, almost none of the vendors do that, it's an easy way to know if you've chosen the wrong vendor.

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    3. Re:I do this for a living by xkr · · Score: 1

      OK, all good points and truthful, for that side of the debate.

      The reasons to go IP are: (1) flexibility for the future; (2) more sophisticated, integrated, and remote management; (3) lower cost cabling, particularly for future changes; and (4) more secure.

      (1) The world is going IP, like it or not. You don't really know what the access control hardware of the future will look like. If you ever want to add biometric devices, cameras, or who knows what, that stuff will almost certainly be IP only.

      (2) IP systems permit hardware and software to sold and upgraded separately. It is common to use existing security, identification, authorization, and logging of access control and physical security system using the IT departments existing infrastructure (RADIUS, TACACS+). You can't do this closed access control systems. Management can be done remotely, for example, in one central location to manage dozens of buildings, or using cloud-based services for smaller companies (like his). If you outsource HR (many people do), you might as well have them control the card-keys, too.

      (3) Everybody we work for ends up having to run more cable AFTER the building is finished. Boy, is that expensive, using 'home runs' on special cable. (4) I will put modern, redundant switches up against any current door hardware for reliability -- but I get your point. IP connections are often very securely encrypted. Not true for the RS-485 cables. Either you or I could break into anywhere, if we had access to even one of those cables.

      Anyway, its a good debate. I will also give your side credit for having more choices of hardware, currently.

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    4. Re:I do this for a living by cusco · · Score: 1

      More secure??? A device out in the field, plugged into a POE switch with its own web server and a max 8-character password whose only user is 'root' or 'admin' is more secure than one that is inside of a locked cabinet and hard wired to the controller? OK....

      The world is going IP, but new hardware has to interface with old if it's going to gain any market share. Very, very few companies are going to budget to rip and replace an entire functional system. Our customers include some of the largest IT companies in the world, when you have 14,000 readers installed you buy biometric hardware that interfaces with the existing system. Anyone wanting a piece of that pie doesn't have a choice, and most of them want a slice. They'll support IP, and they'll also support RS-485, or they're not going to play with the big boys.

      I manage two worldwide access control systems from my desk in Seattle. A couple of my coworkers in Portland manage three others. For a serious access control system like Lenel or AMAG this is not an issue. We have customers with access control panels and video recorders at the far end of microwave, cellular and satellite links, as well as VPN links that run across cable modems and DSL lines. I spent a good part of my morning remoted into a video server 3,500 miles away diagnosing switch issues affecting a couple dozen cameras at that site. For a smaller company an S2 or similar system will provide more flexibility, more customization and FAR more reliability than some cloud-based service.

      That "special cable" is about half the price of CAT-6, and three times as many of them can fit in a conduit. They're not limited to 100 meters either, RS-485 works just fine out to 4,000 feet, and the protocol is so error-resistant that it works in sites that would kill a standard network connection. It's available in shielded, chemical resistant, underground, UV resistant, and underwater flavors among others (more expensive, of course).

      When your modern redundant (and very expensive) switch stays up for seven years without a single restart you can talk about reliability comparable to a Mercury or Bosch controller that costs 1/4 or less of the price. I can take you to a hospital a couple miles from my house and point at panels that have never been rebooted since I started in this business six and a half years ago, and they were already old then. Lenel and AMAG can use AES encryption on their RS-485 bus, but even without it you're not going to break into a properly configured access control system without raising alarms. If you tap into the chain using an address that isn't already occupied nothing will communicate with you. If you use an address that IS occupied the reader will go offline. There is no RS-485 equivalent to WireShark and a promiscuous mode NIC. (Makes it a pain in the ass to troubleshoot sometimes.)

      IP-based readers have their place, as do wireless readers, but neither of them will match the security and reliability of the current old-school hardware for quite some time. They will eventually, but they're not there yet. And at this point I personally think anyone who puts their security system in the cloud had better have their resume updated.

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  62. the most important thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should install empty, large, conduit raceways with pull strings connecting every room in the building. That pretty-much future proofs it.

  63. Having gone through this a few times... by ceide2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A dedicated server/telco room is a must. Room size determination is simple as taking our current rack number and multiple by two. Add 3' ft in the back and 6' in the front. I would also install a dedicated electrical panel. It makes adds/moves/changes much easier later. Also I would hammer on the electrical contractor to insure there is a good ground to the panel. This will mitigate a ton of "transient" problems later. I would also install four 2" conduits to a outside pull box for telco access. That way the local telcos don't tear up your new building trying to bring service in. It also forces the demarc to be inside your server room which makes issues easier to deal with later. Make sure one side of your wall has 3/4" ply/OSB to act as a peg board. A full 4x8 sheet is good enough. Also I would speak with the fire contractor about installing a dry system inside your server room. That way the sprinklers don't ruin your expensive equipment. I would also go for a dedicated AC unit. To size take your current BTU needs and multiple by two. I would also install a solid door with a punch key keypad. You can get inexpensive ones at local hardware store. Lastly since you guys are most likely a warehouse style building so I would not run conduit unless I had too. I would use wire troughs or hangers with shielded CAT6 cable. That way you don't trap yourself later with conduit. If you want to hide the cables then paint them. There are a bunch more suggestions but those are the big ones.

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  64. Masseuses by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Two, at least.

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    1. Re:Masseuses by heson · · Score: 1

      Two, at least.

      Two: Happy beginning AND happy ending?

  65. MIT's Stata Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may want to check out Garrett Wollman's Usenix LISA '05 talk on this experience with what CSAIL did in "Building MIT's Stata Center: An IT Perspective":

    http://static.usenix.org/event/lisa05/tech/

    You probably don't need to deal with "modern architecture" (read: no storage space), but it's a good list of things not to do.

  66. AC as I am actually qualified for this by cert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BICSI RCDD (Registered Communication Distribution Designer) here.

    Wonderful that you actually call for an equipment room, very commonly overlooked or multipurposed equipment room MDF.

    Everything mentioned regarding a separate well-sealed server room with independent HVAC (include the MDF/IDF wiring closets in environmental considerations in an industrial environment), and overcabling for current needs (run CAT6, extra conduits, spare capacity or build-out space everywhere) is spot on.

    One item I do not see (yet) is a good UPS System.

    One other concern is where you are located (100 year flood plain?) and where the equipment room should be located. Usually in a basement for ease of getting the cable in, you may want to consider the cable coming in the basement, but the actual equipment room up one floor to avoid flooding concerns.

    Don't know how critical you consider your outside world connectivity (internet, VOIP) but you may want a second redundant (geographically diverse) net connection. Nothing like finding out your second provider leases capacity on the same fiber run by the primary coming in your building when a cut happens.

  67. Here ya go.. by SuperCharlie · · Score: 1

    I think you should ask for a basement server room and office. You can use some of the natural underground cooling to cut some costs but also include plenty of vent/clean/ac. Make it twice as big as you think you need..it will probably end up being too small in 10 years even if you do that. Next.. have underground corridors and wiring races to strategic places in the building. Make the corridors comfortable to walk through an the races at least twice what you need as well. Sell it for security, sell it for saving topside space , and sell it for the geo-thermal savings as well as ease of upgradeability of infrastructure. But make *sure* you have plenty of elbow room. You dont want crawl spaces, you want corridors.

    1. Re:Here ya go.. by christianT · · Score: 1

      Yes, put your server room below grade that way when you get that unprecedented torrential rain storm the flood waters will keep all your server gear nice and cool so it operates at peak performance. Yes that is a good idea.

    2. Re:Here ya go.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Need to take the local environment in mind - some locations are prone to flooding which makes basements a problem as water will tend to fill the lower levels first, or the basement will flood if the power / sump pumps fail (been there; was within 2" of losing a phone switch once...).

      My problems with architects / building designers has been that they are quick to shove the IT-related stuff in a corner to one side. I had two separate buildings locate the only data closet a good distance from the furthest desk; at the very edge of the Ethernet cable-length segment-length spec (a touch over 300 ft).

      One of those buildings had a server room that was basically designed like a hallway (~60 feet by ~20 feet). Tough to put 2 rows of racks in that room...

      There was one server room that had a large Nortel 11c and an Aspect phone switch right under the building's roof-mounted AC units... Lost the Aspect switch for a while when someone forgot to do their maintenance on the AC compressor and it dumped a bit of water out of the unit.

      So,
      Secured room
      No water overhead-
      Get enough physical room for current offerings + growth + some work space
      Separate power w/UPS + generator
      Enough AC capacity with some to spare for future use and thermal overhead
      If in a hurricane zone or tornado alley, build out the room to survive those scenarios (room-within-a-room or similar)
      If in a flood zone, do not locate in a basement
      Centrally located to the building (can be somewhat flexible with this depending on building design)
      If multiple floors get a telecom / data closet on each floor directly above the main data room. Can run a cable chase vertically from each floor back to the main data room.

  68. Upgradable wiring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technology will continue to advace, so I suggest having some type of magical conduit installed that protects wires from EMI, while at the same time hiding the wires, while still making it very easy to upgrade the wiring.

    Have the unicorn help you.

  69. Reality by jordan_robot · · Score: 1

    Just remember that everything you really need... they'll value-engineer out.

  70. conduit by squidflakes · · Score: 1

    It seems sort of silly, but you would be amazed how much a well laid-out set of conduits for network cable will make your life simpler now, and in the future.

    Service loop in the cables near their destination is also a must.

    Other than that, invest in some good cable management for your racks, and if you can, try to ensure that your server/telco room has an A/C system on a different circuit from the rest of the A/C. If you have the budget, a dedicated climate control system would be great too.

    Also, don't forget power. Try to make sure you've got a UPS with some room for growth on its own circuit (a dedicated 480 3-phase if you can get it). If you don't have the budget there, then at least a TVSS (transient voltage surge suppressor) or power conditioner.

  71. A few thoughts... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    I most certainly agree that a dedicated server room and (separate if possible) dedicated telco room is a must. Why separate? So you don't have to let the telco technicians near your servers any more than you have to. Less hands in the pot, and less temptation for strangers.

    Second, put in a series of switch rooms near each office area, and run fibre between them and the server room. As noted, allow for extra space so more fiber can be run later; then put CAT-6/7 patch panels in to the switch rooms, and run CAT-6/7 to each desk from there. Again, think about having extra space and set it up so you can easily replace the ethernet cable with fiber at some point in the future.

    Third, get a good network-centric PBX, think Asterisk or something from Cisco (if you can afford it), and then put in VOIP phones at each desk instead of putting in separate RJ-11 cabling for analog phones.

    Fourth, any where that needs a network connection on the floor by equipment should get its own fiber optic link, with a local switch, and short ethernet lines (CAT6/7). Why? You minimize any interference issues with the equipment on the floor. It might not be much, but it'll be worth it.

    Also, if you are running between buildings or between sections of a building that are on (for whatever reason) different power grids, save yourself the time and put in fiber comms to isolate them. We have two buildings where I work now that are on separate power grids, and for a long time they were running ethernet directly between them, and kept burning out ports when a t-storm came through - a simple fiber optic isolator solved the problem.

    Now, you might think doing the fiber thing - or at the very least planning for it - is over kill. However, think of it as an investment. If not for the companies use, then as a value-add should the company need to sell the building - the next tenant could be a Facebook/Amazon/Walmart requiring massive data-througput so don't cut yourself short by not making it easy to put in while you have the opportunity to do so.

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  72. Did this 6 years ago by prestonmichaelh · · Score: 1

    I moved a company of about 150 from a 10,000 sqft or so office to a newly built 13,000 sqft office. Not quite as large of a size increase but the main change was that in the old office, everything was rigged to work, the "server room" was just a re purposed office. The cat5 was run as needed, a lot by me.

    Anyway, first focus should be your server/comm room. Shoot for an independent, dedicated A/C, a waterless fire suppression system (make sure they don't put a sprinkler head in during construction and that you have everything approved with local fire code), dedicated electrical circuit (ideally 220v), also make sure they don't blindly put carpet or things like that in the room. Run Cat5e everywhere. Plan out what you think you need now for each room and, if budget allows, double it. Rooms that are more likely to change, do your best to run extra Cat5e. If you can afford it, go up to Cat 6 instead of Cat5e, again, budget matters. Get professionals to do your wiring for you. Get several quotes and make sure you see some past work before you hire them. Well done cabling can make a huge difference in an office. You don't want people throwing cable over florescent lights, or parallel to unshielded power lines or things like that. A good cable runner will leave a service loop of 10-15 feet (maybe more depending on the room) above each drop in case you need to move wall locations later. Everything should be neatly labeled, organized, etc, so that when you have an issue, it should take 5 seconds to figure out which port is messed up, not 5 hours.

  73. Wireless Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many devices sold today won't be able to connect to wired routers. So, in addition to the full ethernet cabeling and the fiber-backbone there should also be a good strategy to avoid wireless networks. Even legacy networks like 811g. Some walls should even be painted with wifiblockers. Or, you could simply use tinfoil on the backside of the plates. Also, cellphone chargers. If you want to reduce energy-usage on cellphone charging, you could have a 1-hour stop on those chargers.

  74. Contracting support by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Given that they only have 40 employees, 1 would technically be 'overkill', so yeah, I'd backstop with some contracted rate support. Having one dedicated can be worth the expense due to experience with them, even if he's not fully utilized. Plus, if he does support/programming for the CNC machines, he may have some serious specialty knowledge.

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  75. 30 amp breakers (humor) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had to do a computer install in a new office once, where they have a metric crap ton of servers, workstations, and printers. Servers were stored in the work area. They had probably 15 circuits installed (as it was a concrete structure) suface mounted about a week before we moved in the equipment. I think they had 5 sets of breakers, each were 15 amps. I think there were 20 or so employee's and probably about 15 servers running. Let's just say that even standby power on the printers would trip them...

    I could say a nice telecommunications closet would be great, but don't make the mistake that too many others have. Make sure you can get some good ventilation going otherwise that closet will be your nightmare.

    On a positive note, at least you're thinking about the problem before hand.

  76. the grab bag of Stuff by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    1 expect your network need to grow: run your cables in a conduit that is 2-3 times what you think you need also don't curve your conudiuts more than say 45 degrees in the same meter (so you do a 90 in 2 45s spaced a meter apart)

    2 ditto for your power conduit: special note have these conduits a different color from data (slapping a High Voltage glyph on it every couple meters would also be a good idea)

    3 have Red and Blue outlets installed in every "large" room: a Red Outlet is on a dedicated circuit so you can safely install a HighPower item into it Blue outlets are on the same circuit also MAP THE CIRCUITS (circuit J24 goes to which room??)

    4 Showers and a decent Food place: This will help your staff not turn into Crazy Stinking Apes if you have to go into a Lockdown time (for whatever reason)

    5 Climate control: have anything that is "messy" on a seperate system (or at least "down wind") this will also help you in your hazmat control.

    6 Proper Hallways: plan things so that you have decent "escape routes" for when TSHTF (if you can setup SG1 style RingRooms that would also work)

    7 Decent Windows for the People Rooms: of course you should also have a way for these to be blocked off if needed (or frost them) but seeing the sun does wonders for folks health.

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  77. Cable labels by phorm · · Score: 1

    If you can, a centralized location with a patch-panel is often helpful, in which case leave some extra cable for expansion (with a bit of slack) if possible.

    One thing I've been impressed with in some workplaces is the effort given to labelling cables. Having a (usable) label on the wall-plate is important, preferable with something that can easily be mapped to where it goes. A-1, A-2, B-3 etc can all be referenced to a diagram, but sometimes LNCH-1 or MGR-2 are easier to track down so long as they're grouped properly on the panel.

    Beyond that though, get the little label clips that go on the cables themselves, and leave a little extra in the run somewhere accessible. When the cable gets wrecked at the wall-plate and needs to be docked back then re-patched, it helps a lot!.

  78. Infrastructure Suggestions by Atticka · · Score: 1

    Power - Run all that you can on 208V to help reduce power overhead (no need for step down) with a good UPS with graceful shutdown on non-critical systems. Look in to isolating your equipment from the machine shop if you expect a lot of power fluctuations (I'm not familiar the power draw on CNC machines, inductive loads can wreak havoc on IT equipment).
    Interference - Consider running fiber between closets if you expect the cable run to cross an area with high levels of interference.
    Cabling - Wiring panels and conduit with room to grow, already mentioned a number of times in other posts.
    Wireless and Security - POE is your friend, you can control power from your data center and no need to spend money installing power in the ceiling just for an access point or security camera.
    Wireless Site Survey - If wireless plays a role in your organization get a complete wireless survey done before and after the machine shop is up and running. The environment can change after systems are up and running.
    Virtual Environment - VDI from VMWare is great, keep the desktop virtualized in a controlled environment with cheap replaceable terminals on the machine shop floor (some new terminals and phones are no powered by POE as well, complete control from your server room!).

    Sounds like fun, enjoy!

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  79. Generator and a few other suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After building a small business up and moving into a new facility, as you are, one of our greatest concerns was power and uptime. To that end, we afforded a nice natural gas generator with auto cutover for our Server and comunications closet. This saved our bacon when the north eastern blackout occured. Not only did we have internet and servers up, but the two additional powerlines we ran to our break room meant we had Fridges, Water coolers, and air conditioning. Many of our staff worked late those days due to the luxeries we had.

    Beyond that, I agree with most of the other commenters. Good clean conduit for whatever you decide to run (cat 5/6, fiber, twizzlers), Solid, flush mount junction boxes with multiple inputs (specifically for conference rooms), and bathrooms that make sense (touchless, not backed up to confrence spaces, and easily hosed down incase of accidents).

    Another thing we did was run conduit out to our lighting poles for additional survillance in the future. Initally it was only used on one pole, but eventually we put up several devices out there for weather conditions and general tracking. It made it easy for us to see if the lot had been plowed or if we had an issue on the weekends with "neighbors".

  80. Fire the Architect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, make sure that the architects are aware of the fact that there is technologically sensitive stuff in the building, so that they don't make stupid decisions that are aesthetically pleasing (?) but incompatible with what you NEED. We have a laboratory building with huge lab bays faced by walls of windows. We had to beg for some closed labs for laser and flow visualization work. They couldn't understand why we didn't want Space and Air and (most importantly) Pastels.

  81. Receptacle Height by G1369311007 · · Score: 0

    My opinion, space drops every 6 feet and higher than the equipment. We have 800lbs containers that are about five feet high each. We spaced all of the electrical and IT above that so we can place them anywhere in the room and it won't impact us. It makes sense for our workstation type furniture for it to be above. It has made reaching the drop much easier. When we end up connecting in the middle of dead space on a wall, we just use some basic panduit to make it look pretty.

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  82. You're joking, right? by Malc · · Score: 1

    How about the number one priority: hire somebody to run the IT department who has experience of this.

  83. Consult with engineer first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless building regs in your country are a bit lax I would suggest first discussing your plans with the architect or civ engineer. You don't want them to change your masterplan after you bragged about it to your friends and co-workers.

    There are a lot of regulations covering proximity to fire escapes, maximum walking distance, materials used, etc. All this things might limit your design in some way. Make sure your architect/engineer is aware of your needs. Most civil engineers and many architects are qualified to suggest ventilation/ fire protection/ network solutions on their own and might have already designed a similar building.

    Of course my experience is based on UK building regs and your country might have different ones.

  84. Natural Light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Charge the architect with incorporating as much natural lighting as possible, and be sure the necessary lighting controls are incorporated to go with that -- both blinds/shades/diffusers/ on the windows/skylights, and the ability to modulate the artificial lighting to supply only what daylight can't provide.

  85. Star Trek doors by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

    For the last 20 years or so, I've worked at places that needed card key access, but the card just unlocked the door.

    Make the door open itself after authenticating and authorizing. You should be able to put the card key in your hip pocket, and get through the door w/o touching it.

    Not only will you be able to go though the door with both hands full, but you will be cut the transmission of diseases.

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    1. Re:Star Trek doors by cusco · · Score: 1

      You have just described a service department manager's dream customer. May as well include a cubicle for the service tech, since he'll be there every day.

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  86. If you don't know exactly what you're doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you should have your boss contract out someone who does. I'm not kidding. Any poor decision you make now in regards to future growth and expansion is going to cost you a ridiculous amount of time and money to fix in the future. If you're still set on doing it yourself, here's a few tips:
    -If the machines used in the shop are going to wreak havoc on CAT6, then it's likely the RFI might cause problems with WiFi as well. I would recommend doing all shielded CAT6 or fiber. I would recommend NOT using transceivers. They fail on a regular basis and in any event are generally not cost or rack space effective anyway.
    -Put in much large conduit than you need and run much more fiber or copper than you need.
    -Put in much more power and cooling than you need.
    -In every rack, run redundant, separately breakered power
    -Have a separate room or dedicated rack for telco into the building. You don't want some idiot from a provider fucking up the rest of your IT when they come to install or service their equipment.
    -Put in two building penetrations with separate conduit runs that do not physically cross through the building into your dedicated telco rack/room. These should both be on street facing sides of the building, if possible

  87. Jefferies Tubes by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

    You'll want the entire facility accessible through Jefferies tubes if you want to properly future proof it.

  88. Sexeteria... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sexeteria...duh...

  89. Dedicated AC and Clean agent fire suppression. by alanshot · · Score: 2

    Dont forget you also need AC in the dead of winter. So if you DONT have a dedicated AC unit in the room, you will find it VERY hostile in the room when your shared cooling source goes from cool to heat, and instead of it removing heat from the room, it dumps more in. o_O

    Also, dont skimp on a clean agent fire supression system. the last thing you want is a water based sprinkler system in the room flooding the equipment with water when a fire starts. If you have a fire and you have a water based system, the equipment is a total write-off. If its protected by a clean agent system, anything not touched by the fire/heat will be fine. so if you have a trashcan in the room and somebody accidentally puts a cigarette into it, the sprinkler system would destroy the equipment across the room even though it was nowhere near the flames. If a clean agent system fires, you can be in the room again within hours and the equipment is fine.

    here is a cool example. Dated, but cool. This shows a real world demo of a fire in a data room and what happens when both types of suppression systems go off.
    The fun starts at about the 30 second mark.
    http://youtu.be/0WelmCXtsyI

    1. Re:Dedicated AC and Clean agent fire suppression. by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

      Modern clean agent systems are kind of amazing. By amazing, I mean they don't kill you anymore. (Sorry Halon / CO2!)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuEylKMvbjw

    2. Re:Dedicated AC and Clean agent fire suppression. by alanshot · · Score: 1

      Small world! Thanks for linking to my company's youtube channel. LOL

      (for some reason we dont have the "are you protected" on our channel or I would have posted from there. I know for a fact I encoded it...hmmmm need to talk to the marketing folks about that...)

    3. Re:Dedicated AC and Clean agent fire suppression. by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

      No problem. ;)

      Might I suggest putting a trash can fire next to the chillax office worker next time?

      "My office is on fire, but it an't no thang."

  90. The bare minimum for me would be... by nighthawk243 · · Score: 1

    Definitely a well air conditioned server room with backup generator/UPS. You'll also want to have easy to access conduits to run network lines. Also, the building should not be designed in such a way where it is bad for wireless/cellular reception.

  91. Maybe just a good break room? by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    While a food service contract might be overkill, and I'm sure there are lawyer firms(as opposed to industrial) that have catering every day, as long as we're getting away from IT recommendations, I'd say that a good breakroom with a 'full' kitchen isn't 'that' expensive and can be really nice. Add a grill outside and you can have company events.

    Oh yeah, and you'll probably have it because it's an industrial company, but non-emergency showers/lockerroom.

    Back on IT - given the size I'd want the 'comm closet' to be big enough for both wires and a server rack. At 40 employees, 1 rack for wiring and 1 rack for servers and other equipment should be fine. Go with seperate ducting, along with provisions for extra filtering/positive pressure(to keep the machining stuff OUT). Ductless is an option, but I'm not sure how good the filtering on those can be, plus it can be tough to do positive pressure.
    In the rest of the building - CONDUIT!!! Oversized is best. I'd go with metallic for the shielding. Not knowing the dimensions I don't know if you can reach all the machines with 1 comm closet without going to fiber, but that's an option, though it's my understanding that desktop fiber NICS are getting pricy and hard to find.

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    1. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, and you'll probably have it because it's an industrial company, but non-emergency showers/lockerroom.

      Glad *someone* recognizes the difference between emergency showers and non-emergency showers...

    2. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      By 'full' Kitchen I mean -
      All appliances - Fridge, Freezer(I'd go seperate and full size on these), 2 microwaves, stove&oven(home model is okay), and dishwasher.
      Plenty of countertop and cabinets. Full double or even triple sink.

      Have enough seating and table/counter space(seperate from the kitchen part) for everybody to be able to sit down and eat.

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    3. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      The stove and/or oven would most likely trigger a lot of commercial kitchen ventilation and plumbing work costing 10s of thousands of dollars, if not upwards of $100,000.

    4. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was due to legacy grandfathering, or just the fact that since I work for the federal government they can occasionally be 'building permits? What are those?', but our break room was very much 'home grade'.

      I can see requiring upgraded fire/ventilation, but you shouldn't need the sort of ventilation that's necessary for a grill that operates 16 hours a day.

      Different areas have different rules, but a quick google search shows that as long as you're using domestic appliances for domestic use(IE not commercial or professional) you're generally okay following domestic rules - I'd recommend a hood anyways, but it can be a cheaper domestic type. Though I'd install a semi-professional one that's designed to work with ducting; especially if the break room can't be located on an outside wall to vent through. I'm not especially happy with the one over my stove in my house right now.

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    5. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by fuzzywig · · Score: 1
      One of the companies I work for sells cookware, the employee kitchen in their head office looks like it belongs in a kitchen design catalogue .

      Total overkill, but very nice to go visit.

      On the other hand their 'server room' is basically a cupboard under the stairs, but it's got room for one rack, and they only have three main servers.

    6. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by spauldo · · Score: 1

      Meh, they can sponge bathe from the eyewash station.

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    7. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Emergency shower: Intended to be used once a blue moon; fast access preferred over privacy; heck, privacy isn't really desired as the responding EMTs/safety crew might want to help scrub to make sure you're clean(if you're lucky they might only observe). Temperature: OMG THAT'S COLD.

      Non-Emergency: Daily use, probably multiple times a day. Privace preferred over fast access; primary concerns are plenty of hot(or at least warm) water, some niches to stick your supplies(shampoo, soap, body wash), a hook outside to hang the towel, etc...

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    8. Re:Maybe just a good break room? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Was it outfitted with their own stuff? Maybe they occasionally used it as a sales area(or thought to do so)? Heck, for all we know they got a discount from the contracting party through some sort of back-scratch deal.

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  92. POTS by delta98 · · Score: 1

    It sounds silly but if you can,keep at least one line open.Small expense but can really save your ass.I'm not talking zombie crap but a working hardline is worth alot when IT takes a shit.

    1. Re:POTS by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      Plus, you can run it into your Faraday cage conference room.

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  93. If there's a need for 1 data jack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you might as well run 2. Or better yet, 4. The cost of running 2 or 3 or 4 data lines is not that much more than running 1, and running more after the fact is always more expensive. Even if you only terminate 1 or 2 of them to begin with, having the extra cables run will make adding lines or replacing failed cables MUCH faster and easier.

    Keep the ventilation for the telco room separate from the rest of the building - metal shards, oil and dirt are NOT good for servers or other telco equipment. Also, make sure the telco room has positive air pressure so stuff doesn't get sucked in when you open the door.

    Make sure that the entire telco room is on a separate grounding point than the machines, otherwise you can get power surges from that. Also, make sure there's good separation between your power and data lines to avoid noise, especially near the machines themselves.

    I'm sure there's tons more, but those are the bug ones I've picked up over the years.

  94. Important things by coastal984 · · Score: 1

    Stripper pole, keggerator, speakeasy w/ hidden door. Jeffries tubes to access everything would be a hilarious idea too. In all seriousness, I always wish my office had a shower.

  95. Electrical Issues by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Be careful to have separate service transformers for your offices/IT rooms and large machines.

    We had constant issues with some new high-current welders causing voltage droop in the server room, which made the UPSes all go crazy.

    So, we had our utility install separate pad transformers for the machinery and the offices.

    Also, do a very good job with creating a good MRG (Master Reference Ground). That much machinery taking large amounts of current will make this a necessity. We have ground stakes through the slab 12 feet into the ground at each of our large metalforming and welding machines.

    Make sure you think of future expansion, too.

  96. As-Built Drawings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriosuly, nothing is ever built to plans, and if you put somethign in the contract about validating the as-builts, then you'll get as-builts, not plans stamped "as built". It really helps to know where the walls and conduits and sprinklers are.

  97. Required Additions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Things you NEED to have for the room:

    -UPS enough to handle power spikes/drops
    -If you need 24/7 install the generator backed up circuits
    -High heat sensor, in case the A/C breaks down you'll want to know if your servers are cooking themselves
    -Distilled water fire extinguisher (just in case!)
    -Entry control system/motion activated camera

  98. One small thing by Michalson · · Score: 1

    You've got lots of answers about cabling, some for cooling and a few for power. One tiny thing you don't want to overlook is the door. You should ensure there is a plus sized pathway (check for tight turns) all the way from outside the building to the computer room where you'll have an extra tall, extra wide outward opening door. If you are building a smaller room this is really important since it may become impractical to disassemble a rack and reassemble it in such a small space (remember that there will be other running equipment you don't want to accidently knock about). Also make sure you have a properly sized ramp (and that the ramp is factored into any path and turn calculations) if you have steps or a raised floor. Unless there are security considerations a good setup would be for the server room door to be close to a large side door which in turn is close to the server rooms air conditioning units (when there is eventually a problem it would be terrible for the repair guy to have to walk back and forth through a machineshop to fix it).

  99. As much as you can by dnahelicase · · Score: 2

    I the only guy as well for a manufacturing company about that size, and probably like you, I wear a lot of hats besides being IT.

    I dream of the day we build from scratch, but we will probably always keep adding on and on. I just re-ran all of our wire last year, went to VOIP, bought out first racks (we were using tables before) etc.

    If I could do it from scratch, I would

    1) Get your own room

    2)Get that room it's own AC, and seal it off as much as possible.

    3) Do what you can to get a non-water fire-suppression system, though it could add a lot of cost

    4) Do what you can to have a nice room with a raised floor (so you can put wire under it) and it's own ceiling. It depends on where you are, but the danger of winds/tornadoes for us is more probable than fire. We had a CNC shop down the road from us get their roof peeled off like a tin-can from straight line winds not too long ago. Water soaked everything in the upstairs office areas.

    5) Obviously use conduit when possible, and Cat6 x2 to as many places as you can. Wire and keystone jacks are cheap. Go crazy with them - you don't have to plug them all in right now.

    6) If you don't have them now, one of these days your boss/owner/VP is going to come in and tell you that you need to put in security cameras, TV announcement screens, one of those stupid "Watchfire" signs outside, or something else random and hard to wire for. It'll happen. Run cable (or make accessible) places you might want to be in the future, and remember that you will want some nice conduit access outside. That cable TV/PRI/Fiber connection might come from any direction. Give yourself options and put conduit in places that can be tunneled to from the outside, preferable in all sides of the building. If everything is from scratch, put conduit under the parking lot!

    7) Reserve your spot for future racks, even if you don't need them now. Eventually you might want some switches in a closet, or a rack in the far corner of the building. It doesn't have to be much, but see if you can get some nice conduit run to some places where you could put a small rack to hold some switches and patch panels. It'll probably be 60 years or more before you move again, and you or the next guy will eventually be tasked with adding something new.

    Oh yeah, document everything and make it super easy to understand. Label your cables using something easy, like self-laminating tabs and a sharpie marker, on top of just numbering them. A number and cross-reference is good, but there's no reason it can't also say "To SW Corner." We also used different color cables for different systems. Between floors are purple, data is blue, telephone-only are green, fiber to outside buildings are orange, inside fiber is blue, etc.

    It won't be too bad to do yourself as long as you have help running cables and conduit. See if you can visit some other factories/businesses in town and get an idea of what their spaces look like.

  100. Work area by thereitis · · Score: 1

    What I'd want is a comfortable, quiet work area separate from the milling area and server room. Have spare devices in case any networking gear fails. If you can afford it, a staging environment to test configuration rollouts (perhaps tied to a 'staging' CNC mill). Badge security for the server room doors will keep people from popping in to the server room. I might even consider 2-way radios to work through issues with people on the shop floor, which would double as a non-email alternative for announcements (server going down for a reboot in 2 minutes).

  101. Get into the planning meeting with the architects. by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 2

    If you can't get into the meetings, you must get a data plan into the architectural drawings.

    I've done this 3 times at work with new buildings or renovations and additions to new buildings. Each time I was only asked as an afterthought, and things got screwed up or left out without my knowledge. In no case did our architects give a moment's thought to data drop locations or cable paths, and if it's not printed on some layer of the drawings, it is not in the plans. It sucks to have to do 3x walk-throughs with the cable installers, scribbling on a copy of the plans, only to have to redo it every time the plans are revised. In the end the electricians will just put the wall boxes wherever they please because your scribbles never make it back to the printed plans, so your network installers will have to cut in their own boxes, raising your installation costs.

    In one building that was constructed about 10 years ago, the server room was moved and the dedicated air conditioning disappeared in the process. That caused the email server crash and corrupted its storage one June weekend when the Buildings and Grounds Manager decided to turn off the AC to save power. Also in the change, the width of the server room shrank by 18 inches, making it impossible to fit a standard server cabinet. The first floor in this building is pretty easy to network, except for the fact that the in-floor conduit grid for the library was hacked out of the plans without my knowledge, but the second floor is a real trial. Wiring passing down the corridor has to pass through about 20' of an indoor soffit with no conduit and no access except from small hatches at each end. It just has J-hooks and a pull-string, and the pull-string broke.

    In one building added onto about 10 years ago there is no network closet. The IDF is a cabinet perched above a slop sink. No disaster's yet, but I'm waiting for the day when someone splashes water into the power outlet.

    In another building offices on sides are separated by masonry walls floor to cieling (no drop ceiling) and a gymnasium and workout room. The only conduits connecting the 2 sides are 3, 1" underground runs from the data/sports equipment closet to a locker room in the far corner of the building, or a long, serpentine nest of conduits around the gym ceiling. The building was renovated about 4 years ago when the workout room and additional office was added. They could have added a simple 4" or so conduit through the workout room. Instead, I'm using the underground conduits, making the data runs about 100 feet longer than they need to be and a lot more trouble than they need to be. The underground cat 5e cables have not shorted out yet, but it's just

  102. Run drops everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we moved into a new building, The It and I had drops run to every wall, 4 per desk, 4 per office, 8 if it was going to have 2 people in it.

    This worked out really well and even then we only had about 6 months before we had to run more cable. One thing we learned was you can never have to large of a cable tray running above the ceiling, If i ever do a kinda move like that again its going to be able to support a cars size bundle of cable.

  103. JACE controls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the JACE line of global controllers, they can integrate lighting, access control, HVAC functions and automation control. Having all those systems talking to one another and working together will get you huge efficiency gains.

    http://www.tridium.com/

  104. window that open by doom · · Score: 1

    You need windows that open.

    And/or ventilation systems that actually work (as opposed to ones that are *supposed* to work, as in all other buildings constructed after WWII).

    Some bike parking would be nice.

    Think about where the trash is supposed to go.

    A roof that doesn't leak is a good idea, too: that means you keep it simple, and probably don't try to do stuff like install skylights. Flat roofs are an extremely bad idea, but you're going to use them anyway, so pointing that out was a waste of time.

  105. Why build? You're better off leasing by smitty97 · · Score: 1

    First of all, you have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters. And if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with you, and that'll cost you. Don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. There's the long-term costs, such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boy scouts.

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  106. Japanese Style Toilets by xtrafe · · Score: 1

    Trust me: You will thank yourself every day.

    It baffles me why we in the western world are still walking around with dirty backsides.

  107. A Crane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a decent sized overhead crane for relocating machines and carry around of items.

  108. bathroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't let someone design a terrible bathroom layout. In one of our bathrooms I have to put my arm over the toilet paper dispenser to fit, and I'm not a big guy. The toilet is also mounted too high, so I have to sit on the balls... of my feet.

  109. Cooling systems by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 1

    A dedicated cooling system for server rooms. Last place I worked it got 90 - 100 in the server room because it had no zone of it's own.

  110. Electrical/Power Distribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a few others have touched on, from experience in a large industrial facility where the original designers planned for extensive future needs, you can never have enough pre-existing infrastructure. Your enemy will be the value engineering process where someone determines that you can save money by going with the minimum requirements that the applicable codes require. Few may know this, but extensions are illegal for permanent use (> 90 days and OSHA likes to cite for this one). RPTs (relocatable power taps, a.k.a. power strips) can not be daisy chained or plugged in to extension cords. The longest cord I've found on a UL listed RPT is 25'.

    Things we did do right that you might consider.

    1. Separate circuits for courtesy, UPS, isolated ground, dimmed and switched power.
    2. Over-sized switch/breaker panels for future needs. This is nice, but now to run new conduit it requires engineering & permitting, which costs $ so the need must be great enough to get all the necessary approvals. As another poster mentioned, run extra conduit.
    3. We have an excellent network of cable trays for running data/comm throughout the facility.
    4. Our systems are separated on different transformers (Machinery, lighting, a/v etc)
    5. We have multiple control racks strategical placed around the facility that are part of our dual ring network.

    If I could go back in time the fist thing I would change is to halve the spacing between between outlets, wall jacks etc. (or turn duplex's into quads etc, but try to keep them separate circuits for flexibility).

  111. Parking lot pole security cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one thing I didn't see mentioned that is cheap up front but expensive to retrofit is low voltage conduit under the parking surface to run CAT6 for IP cameras on the parking lot light poles. You hang them on the poles and you see everything, you try to cover the building from the side of the building... imperfect solution.

    Also sushi in the commissary while you watch the news on a TV hanging on the wall. And fiber runs across the ceiling cutting the space into zones.

    Have fun!

  112. Gym + Showers. No, seriously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The recommendations above to include separate climate control and extra conduit space are all excellent and should obviously be followed.

    Based on OP's statement that they do some DoD work, I'd recommend contacting compliance specialists and ensuring that your setup will allow for and far exceed whatever physical and procedural safeguards they may require for your facility. The regulatory atmosphere in this area is only getting it harsher, and building it right now - with room to expand - will be a big bonus in the long run.

    Now, more importantly: include a nice gym. It doesn't need to be fancy - a few elliptical machines, some treadmills, and some basic weight machines (or free weights and benches) will do. Throw in some nice, private shower space as well. It will VASTLY improve the standard of living for your employees.

    Case in point: me. I didn't have any space in my home for exercise equipment nor any inclination to join a gym. Then my office moved to a location with an on-site gym. "Eh, I'll try it over lunch" I said to myself. I'm glad I did; 10 weeks later, I'd lost 27 pounds and was in much better shape than I had been in years. I was far more alert and productive in the afternoons, never had to go off-site (which is a pain in the winter snow) and felt far, far better about life. All it took was about 45 minutes of exercise/day.

    Don't view it as a luxury. It's an investment. A good gym will quickly pay for itself. Just do it.

  113. Green Building by JediPhreaK · · Score: 1

    I don't know what your company is planning to build currently but they should look at Green buildings like the amazing Heifer International - Green Building. I have visited it and know someone who was show the various costs month by month running the building and he was amazed at how much they saved on energy, water and all the rest.

    The EPA has various funding options I believe for Green Buildings and some places may well offer Tax break incentives to go green. In the long run a well designed Green building pays for itself. It is also a good idea to have good Natural lighting if you can manage it, the Heifer International building is beautifully designed with this in mind.

    Another thing to consider is indoor air quality, I remember there was a TED Talk by Kamal Meattle: How to grow fresh air depending where your building is built and the air quality this can be amazingly good for everyone in the office.

    I hope you find this useful even if it wasn't exactly what you were seeking.

  114. Lots of storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i) a nice rack with room for a couple of Clue-by-4's, a LART and a standby Cluebat. Quick release straps are good.
    ii) lots of diskspace to store a copy of the Internet just in case one of the bean-counters loses it.

  115. First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thing I build when I am on a limited budget is a money printing press. After you get that set up your options open up significantly.

  116. Integrate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might be a good opportunity to show off your IT skills if you use the opportunity to shorten the distances between the different stations while at the same time leaving enough room between them to expand them - A flow chart with the different processes and optimising it would probably be enough. Might become a travelling salesman problem if you are lucky.

    Also, make sure very important systems either don't need power (phone) or have their own backup. Make sure it won't affect your budget when someone else profits. You might want to keep equipment which is unlikely to cause much trouble but which also needs backup power or something else you need close-by, so that you can share it. That will also improve your choices.

    Keep the different parts of your infrastructure separate, but close, like phone and network. You don't want to search for the right cables all the time, but you also want to be able to switch to voip on your side (your telco is only splitting it for marketing reasons, anyway).

    You might want to suggest keeping the dusty areas separate from the non-dusty areas, for the sake of the employees, while (without affecting your budget too much) getting your server room and routers close enough to the factory as necessary, without affecting them too much with pollution.

    Think about a way to cool the servers (to some part) without expensive cooling. Simply making sure the hot air can move up freely or with just a simple fan, while the cold air is clean and plenty, can reduce cooling needs by a large percentage.

    Make sure to position your server/coms room close to all useful infrastructure - water pipes in case water cooling is added, power, cooling, and so on. If you do it through good location instead of demanding a higher budget, it will help you.

    Ask your boss to let you add future savings of your budget to the budget of today - make sure you only do that where you know you will actually save that money in a short time.

    Make sure you get what will make your work easier out of this - more reliable stuff, easier to use stuff, and so on.

  117. Network/power points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you spec conduit and network/power points, work on the assumption that whoever audits the plan is going to cut out a fair few to save money - unless you are absolutely 100% certain that this won't happen. Make sure it is abundantly clear that the extras are needed. I've seen too many installations where IT have specified with future proofing built in and whoever audited the design trimmed out what looked like redundant ports/sockets to save a few pence - then complains about your planning a few months later when they can't have an additional desk/printer/screen in their office because there are no spare ports/sockets to plug it into - then complains about the sky-high cost of adding them because there's no conduit (they trimmed that too).
    Plan for sockets/ports on every wall of an office so that you don't end up with cables trailing across the floor when they move everything around or try and cram in another couple of desks next year.
    Plan wireless in up front if you are going to use it, or you'll end up with dozens of little 4-port wireless routers dotted all over the place and a nightmare keeping track of them all (seen this as well).

  118. Proper Doors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure door sizes are adequate. Need a palletized load to get in a room with a hand jack? Put in the right door!

    Knew a company who builtt an addition on that expected a counterbalanced forklift to fit thru a man door...

  119. Overhead power distribution system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overhead - Starline Busway Power Distribution system

  120. Steel Storm Shutters by Greyfox · · Score: 0

    Steel storm shutters, 50 caliber machine gun turrets and stores of MREs in case of Zombie Invasion!

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  121. insulation, and a light exterior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give the walls 1 foot thick, and the ceiling 2 feet thick of fiberglass insulation. Have the walls and roof be light colors to reduce heating from sunlight. A metal roof and walls are good at cooling down. Windows and uninsulated doors will lose heat quite readily.

  122. Some Facilities Thoughts by dgourlay · · Score: 1

    Rooms: I like having three rooms or closets depending on the size: 1) Room 1: For outside plant telco termination, vendor/provider CPE devices, etc. This should have a separate locking system and that you can use to let them have access to THEIR equipment without necessarily giving themselves access to YOUR equipment. 2) Room 2/Telco: For your telco equipment and cable termination. Here you bring back in all of your cabling from around the plant and I would fastidiously follow every bit of advice given on using larger conduit and labeling every conduit and preferably every cable. One thing to think about is location of the room though: if it is central copper may be OK. If it is on a building corner you may want to plan for 12-strand OM4 MMF and a 12-strand SMF fiber pull to each conduit. Why? 40Gb and 100Gb isn't spec'd on Cat6/6A/7 yet - and requires anywhere from 4-10 pairs of MMF/SMF for the SR10/SR4 specs. Plus, while Copper gets aged and obsoleted every 5-10 years SMF has been a perennial long-lifecycle choice and the actual fiber and termination costs are around the same. 3) Room 3/Server Room: Here I like a contained hot-aisle with exhaust out the building and dedicated HVAC, dual power circuits, separate PDUs, UPS systems, etc. I would plan on 30kW per cabinet of servers as a power requirement and then make sure you can dissipate that heat, ingest that power, move enough airflow, etc. dg

  123. Cellular DAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in this industry and the one thing that people have noticed they always don't pay uch attention to is to build out a cellular DAS (Distributed Antenna System). With everyone being so connected and expecting service, WAPs solve half the problem but your employees/workers going outside or away from their desk to make a call because of poor coverage is unacceptable and also counter-productive. Make sure you research and go with the right vendor (I don't want to be my company spokesperson here:)) and that they are FCC and carrier approved.

  124. Batpoles! by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 2

    And a shark tank. And a big sign that says "Out of Order Do NOT Use"

  125. Read Stewart Brand by spasm · · Score: 1

    Read Stewart Brand's How buildings learn, especially the section about purpose built buildings vs 'general purpose' buildings and how to deal with 'planning for future technology'. Executive summary is buildings which are overspecialized for today's needs and technologies rarely work well in the first place (your requirements have usually changed even before the building is finished), and are usually being bashed down within 50 years as unusable spaces. He argues the best bet for 'future proofing' is to aim for a building that's easy to modify - if you can rip out an inconvenient wall or add a raised floor or remove the raised floor and add another wall without to much drama or cost, you'll still be happy in 20 years,

  126. LED lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LED lights

  127. Get ready for Babysitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Architects and contractors are terrible with putting technology in buildings, especially anything when they are not familer with it. Be prepared to do a lot of baby sitting. My IT department met with the Architect, we had a heck of a time just putting in what we needed then we had to check it and fix their mistakes. Then the contractors won't even follow the plans unless your constantly on them and correcting them. Even still a conduit in concrete didn't get put it, it will be 4 figures to put it in now.

  128. Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water. MREs. 20' high, 10' thick concrete perimeter walls, parapets with windows designed for overlapping fields of fire and other defensible positions. Also, make sure you're zoned for surface to air missiles. Never can tell.

  129. Astronomy by mlush · · Score: 1

    A few cool astronomical alignments say the rays of the solstice sun strike the coffee machine etc

  130. FILTERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really, really want to have easily accessible and replaceable filters on air returns leaving the machine shop. The oil gets EVERYWHERE. You wouldn't believe the oily gunk I pull out of the computers, even on the other side of the building. Make sure the returns from the shop are sufficient so that your not sucking air out of the shop via open doorways. Keep shop doors closed at all times via door closers. If possible, have shop on it's own, completely separate heating / cooling units.

    QC should be on the office ventilation system, not shop, and have very well controlled temperature regulation for precision measurements.....

  131. Learn from OUR Mistakes... by JFilz · · Score: 1

    Run Multiple cirruct for basic Power Manufacturing - Conditioned power for high power electronics - basic power for lights, blowers, vacuum cleaner and utility used. Offices - Central hard wired UPS to all desk for PC only. Conditioned line for printers and other electronics. Utility power (can be conditioned or not) for lights, cleaning and such. Network CAT 6 wire within Building: Can be run beside or together with Telephone wire (if not going for IP phones) use SAME Cat 6 wire - different colors (we used BLUE for Data/network and GREY for Telephone - Network A and Network B) . Make sure you run copper and fiber to to building (even if fiber is not yet available). Use Wiring Trays for any wire over 10 to all area in building (easy to ADD more cables at a later time that way). EMT Conduit or other wiring channels for any runs with 10 or less. Single drops (telephone and data wire - within walls) don't need conduit - but suggested. All Surface mount in Manufacturing area should be conduited or use SHELDED wire. All should be terminated on all ends with a female jack attached to a hard surface. Router/Switch should be POE Plus - Power Over Ethernet Plus standard - so you can install Wireless points of access without running power. Or for IP video security Cameras etc.... Install about 25% more runs that you think you need. Switch/Router/termination points - should be over-sized by 50% to 100% Just my 2 cents.....

  132. Coolest Building!!! by stuartl89 · · Score: 1

    SparkNet Interactive built a new building that was just finished a couple years back. It's a return to the dotcom boom days. Slides from floor to floor, game rooms, a cafeteria with catered food, a full gym. I think there are even volleyball courts.

  133. See Sun's book on data centers. by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    Sun (that computer company that Oracle bought ... you know, the Java folks) used to have a series of books on various technical topics.

    If you're going to build out your own computer room, I highly suggest reading "Enterprise Data Center Design and Methodology". It might be written for a different scale, but bits like planning how much power to put in, networking, etc, might have application to the other sections as well. (although, I don't know how often gear gets changed out in the machine shop ... most that I've been in are still running mills and lathes from the 1970s or so, as they were built to last)

    In your specific situation, I'd be concerned with where the door to access the room is ... I'd try to avoid having it from the shop floor, as you want to make sure that whatever metal shavings that someone might've picked up on their clothes and shoes have a chance to come off before they go in the room.

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  134. LED Lighting by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Seriously, a huge chunk of your operating costs are just going to be on lighting and the removal of heat generated by said lighting. Go LED now. There are also LED fixtures that work as Wi-Fi access points/mesh networking, so you can nail several birds with one stone.

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  135. Re:Door sizes by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    One thing that a lot of people forget about is the door size. Make absolute sure that you have at least 1-2 sets of doors into the building and in the direct pathway to all your telecom/computer rooms that the doors are tall and wide enough to fit a full sized computer rack! This is a small detail that many, MANY, companies overlook. There is nothing more painful then trying to fit a full sized computer rack into a building when none of the doors are wide or tall enough, requiring that the rack be disassembled (if it even can be) and brought into the building in pieces, then re-assembled, wasting lots of extra labor hours that could have been saved if someone had made the doors 2 inches taller and/or 4-6 inches wider.

    Also, you might want to make them tall/wide enough for the new Open Computing OpenRack sized equipment racks, which I believe are 600mm wide and 2100mm tall (with a depth that varies from 350mm to 1220mm). Again, not many places are using this yet, however Facebook, Ebay, and Google are all using it (and fabricating their own racks since no one is yet selling them). But it only seems to reason that if those big 3 internet companies are using them, they will probably become standard in a few more years time.

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    We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
  136. Re:Well apparently .... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    I knew that would get a troll rating. But the fact of the matter is, there are probably certain buildings of military significance across the country that are most probably wired for the installation of explosives to take the building down in the event of overthrow or invasion, etc.. So to keep sensitive data from being obtained by.... WIKILEAKS....shrug...

  137. Trays? by Custard · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the added info. I think most of the people talking about dedicated HVAC are used to bigger installations, from challenging climates, or both. I occasionally have cold air run into a server closet, but ambient works for a few switches and a couple servers.

    Dedicated power is easy and you should always have it. Just get as many 15 or 20 amp circuits as you need. I don't know the AC side of the business, but I have never had a problem getting an electrician to rearrange circuits. You just don't want your gear on a breaker that can be tripped by someones personal heater.

    I haven't seen anyone else mention wiring trays. I've used them a few times and like them a lot. It makes it easy to add and subtract and, depending on your decor, can be a fashion statement. But i have never worked in a high noise environment.

    Do install lots of conduit that is bigger than you want. Consider having your electrician drop conduit to your network locations and then stub it out over the ceiling. That can make MACs a lot easier.

    You know your building better than we do. I think you have this covered.

  138. /not/ LEEDS certified by pseudorand · · Score: 1

    First, make sure it's /not/ leeds certified. We recently had a building put up that is and:
    * No sever room (couldn't make it happen)
    * Computers powered off at night (oops, there's goes our non-invasive backup strategy)
    * Due to some HVAC issue where the building is potentially unsafe during the non-business-hours cycle, people can't be in the building after 6 PM. There goes our ability to visit every computer after working hours (which every so often you have to do for one reason or another).

  139. Wide doors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put in wider than normal doors for machine rooms. Normal-sized doors are awkward to move things like computers in and out of rooms.

  140. Faraday Cage Meeting Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At MIT, there is a lecture hall with wire mesh built into the walls, and several large windows. When special shades with wire mesh built into them are lowered into place, the entire room becomes a Faraday Cage, blocking signals into or out of the room. When the shades are up, the cage is incomplete, and it is like any other room.

    When an important dignitary is invited to speak, the special shades are in place, which makes it impossible to receive cell phone calls in the room---no embarrassment of having the dignitary interrupted by the phone ringing. Otherwise, the shades are up and people can have wireless communications as normal.

    I could also see this being useful for corporate information security; for example, when sharing proprietary information during a meeting, this could prevent others from sending the information out of the room. The windows allow both options.

  141. Showers... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

    ... and secure bike parking for people biking to work.

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  142. Decent facilities by Kamineko · · Score: 1

    Decent restrooms. Decent kitchens. Decent windowage.

  143. Isolate Equipment - Conduit - Workspace by thedave · · Score: 1

    I want to second many of the above. I worked doing Industrial Control Systems for years, and I cannot emphasize enough the need for workrooms, conduit and isolating equipment.

    Isolating Equipment
    Since your space is fairly small, try to wire everything hub and spoke and hub and spoke.
    For office equipment, run it all hub and spoke (run each outlet back to the central switching room).
    For industrial equipment, especially if they have low data volume (i.e. CNC, CMM), I strongly recommend putting them in local clusters (hence hub / spoke / hub/ spoke) with a dedicated fiber to a local switch for each cluster, and shielded cable from the local switch. All of the heavy, high-wattage equipment is necessarily very EM noisy. Giving them an extra switch isolated with fiber and short shielded cable runs, reduces the noise that you broadcast into the rest of your network.
    Also, (and perhaps obviously) all your networking equipment should be on an isolated power circuit from your industrial equipment. The voltage drop at startup is enough to brown out switches, and the reactive power is enough to fry them. I also recommend having backups on the shelf for all of the field devices, so that when a big breaker throws, or somebody accidently arc welds your equipment cabinet you can get them up and going in short order.

    Conduit
    Conduit is key for maintenance and organization. So, go with 3x more conduit than necessary today; you will always need to pull new media. In the machine shop, use metal conduit to reduce noise from your machining environment. Put extra junction boxes in the conduit than needed. It makes pulling cable more difficult, but it make reconfiguration much simpler. Always leave behind a pull line for each length of conduit.
    Along the same lines, is raised (access) flooring in your server rooms. This is a lifesaver for running cable (and looks a lot tidier than the rats nest in the rack), and makes re-configuring the room a piece of cake. Also, with perforated tiles you can configure the HVAC for laminar air-flow (in from the top of the room and out the under the floor) which encourages the swarf in the air and on your clothes to stay out of your equipment and under the floor and in the filters like it belongs. Also, raised floors could save you from a pipe break or small flood.
    On a final conduit and cabling note, invest in a thermal labeling system, heat shrink cable labels and a barcode label and conduit database. Be sure to label the conduit end points, and the pull line ends. The heat shrink labels attach tight enough, that that can be pulled through conduit on the cable without snagging or coming off. So, you can label one end before you pull it, and label the other end after you cut it (so you only need one label printer and person labeling). The barcode lets you scan directly to your termination database which reduces transcription errors. You can purchase pre-printed barcode label pairs, but don't. Inevitably, one end of the cable won't install correctly, or you'll have to cut the cable, and the pre-printed cables require you to relabel both ends.

    Workspace
    IT needs separate server rooms from power and telecom. The security requirements, access controls, typical tasks, and skillsets are different for the three disciplines. If you are in a warehouse type environment, the server room should have its own roofing and weather proof enclosure. This will save your equipment from a leaky warehouse roof, and fire sprinklers from the shop floor.
    Workrooms on the shop floor, provide a clean (isolation from swarf), quiet area for tackling shop floor related issues. Preferably, it would have windows onto or over the floor.

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  144. Backup Power Distribution by Lyttek · · Score: 1

    Are you planning any type of backup/generator power? If so, figure out what services MUST be running in case of main power loss (basic networking, phone, security systems, etc.) and plan circuitry accordingly. If you have a panel dedicated to those services/outlets, it's much simpler to add in generator power to keep the doors open and the phones working, even if your main business (the CNC machines) are down for a period of time.

  145. Cover the roof in solar panels. by djh101010 · · Score: 1

    Depending on where you're located, the payback for a roof full of solar panels will likely be somewhere between 5-8 years, if energy prices don't go up. Panels are typically coming in with 20 or 25 year warranties, and the switchgear is like any other power switching equipment (keep the filters clean and the mice out). Plus then you can advertise that you're green, if you want. Isolating yourself from rising energy costs, even in part, may be attractive.

    1. Re:Cover the roof in solar panels. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      No. Cover the roof AND the sun-facing walls with the panels. Include active tracking.

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    2. Re:Cover the roof in solar panels. by djh101010 · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe. Active tracking adds 30-35% to the power output (think: area under a square wave vs. area under a sine wave of same period and peak). But, it adds a LOT of moving parts, and when you're working with a finite area (like a roof), shading becomes a concern - you have to space them far enough in both directions to have them not shade each other at any time during the day. If you've got wide open spaces, and dedicated staff, the extra output MAY be worth the cost. But, if you want to get the most energy per acre of roof, fixed angle racked panels give you the most bang for the buck. If your trackers, room to put them, and upkeep cost more than 30% of the cost of the panels they're hosting, just put that money in more panels, with zero moving parts, and one-time-calculations for tilt and shadow prevention. As panels continue to drop in price, the more or less fixed cost of the trackers is going to continue to be less attractive, because it'll be an even higher percentage of an overall installation. This is based on Wisconsin, USA going rates as of this summer; by next summer, it'll probably be even more skewed away from trackers. Unless someone comes up with a better, cheaper tracker. As far as the sun-facing walls, well, maybe. Those will have to be on a separate MPPT feed, because otherwise those panels will current-limit the entire string of more properly aimed panels. And, they cost the same as that same panel at the right angle - awning mounted on the sun-facing walls if anything, but flat vertical mounting would be a waste. It's all about the surface area of the panel as presented to the sun, cosine of the angle and all that.

    3. Re:Cover the roof in solar panels. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Very awesome analysis. Thanks!

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    4. Re:Cover the roof in solar panels. by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Depending on where you're located, the payback for a roof full of solar panels will likely be somewhere between 5-8 years, if energy prices don't go up. Panels are typically coming in with 20 or 25 year warranties, and the switchgear is like any other power switching equipment (keep the filters clean and the mice out). Plus then you can advertise that you're green, if you want. Isolating yourself from rising energy costs, even in part, may be attractive.

      Keep in mind power requirements and local/state laws. Machine shops usually require three-phase power. Transformers that support that will cost extra. Additionally, net metering and similar issues are subject to legislation. In some states solar currently makes sense for an environment like this, but not in others... and there are definitely no long-term guarantees.

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    5. Re:Cover the roof in solar panels. by djh101010 · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind power requirements and local/state laws. Machine shops usually require three-phase power. Transformers that support that will cost extra. Additionally, net metering and similar issues are subject to legislation. In some states solar currently makes sense for an environment like this, but not in others... and there are definitely no long-term guarantees.

      Sure. So, if I was going to fill a roof with solar panels, assuming a reasonable sized roof, at some point, I could split it to thirds, and feed each phase back to the power company from that inverter. In reality, most factories will consume more power than a roof full of panels can provide, so it's just a cost offset mechanism. Unless your goal is to run the factory after the power grid collapses, it's just a cost avoidance strategy. Buy what you need from the utility, and sell what you generate back to them in a form that is convenient to YOU rather than them. In Wisconsin, the state laws are favorable to that approach. Other places will certainly vary. The "whole house UPS and off-grid if needed" is great for house-sized loads. With 20 panels, I could go off grid. The beauty in this is that I can sell excess power at retail rates back to the utility (again, varies by state), and still be able to go off-grid if something goes horribly wrong with society. I especially like how the payback is 6-ish years if energy prices don't increase at all. Once those panels and inverters are bought, the energy prices can do whatever they want, I still get those watts for free.

  146. Make it energy efficient by Misagon · · Score: 1

    The future is not all about telecommunications.
    Make the building energy efficient, where it can be. The price of energy is going to go up in the next 50 years. It is much cheaper to design a building to be energy efficient than to retrofit it later.
    Of course, dedicated server room(s) needing cooling is a special matter.

    I think that a machine shop could be much helped by having a central vac system.

    Network wiring is not as important as having conduits for whatever wires that you are going to need in the future. Keep good documentation of where these conduits are. There needs to be wires in the conduits that can be used for pulling other wires through them.

    Conduits wells submerged in the floor are much more convenient than having them in the ceiling.

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  147. Jefferies tubes by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

    80cm?

    You're right, 80cm might be a bit small for Jefferies tubes.

  148. In this crap economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can't find triple the space for half the cost already existing?
    I can't BELIEVE building new is worth it.

  149. usb power by SaZZer · · Score: 1

    Its a small detail, but with the growing number of usb charging devices, having places to plug them in direct is a huge benefit.

  150. This should cover everything you need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  151. Physical plant stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Machine tools are big, but they do get moved around. You need some sort of grid to hold your wiring up in the air along with appropriate drop hardware to get it down to the tool. (e.g. Kellem grips) Cable trays that look like ladders work well, because it's easy to lay new cable in. Separate trays for power and networking, of course (code generally requires this, but people do try to cheap out with "divided trays" which meets code, but raises heck with EMI)

    OTOH, it's gonna get grimy and dirty up there.. Maybe BIG conduit and big JIC/NEMA boxes at the junctions or something.

    Seriously think about optical fiber with converters to conventional Ethernet at point of use. These days, it's not hugely expensive, and optical fiber is essentially EMI immune.

    Are you running any sort of SCADA or plant network?

    Think about connectors and jacks. They make outdoor/rain tight suitable hardware for the 8 pin modular jacks, for instance. That way, your connectors don't get all grungy and covered with grit and oil and coolant. You haven't lived til someone hoses down the installation, and capillary action wicks the water from the water filled box into your server closet.

    Think about emergency power. What's needed, what's not. Where are the disconnects (and the emergency power off).

  152. Hire an architect or design firm to work with you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you are getting some good and some not-so-good ideas, my suggestion is NOT to try to do this early design in house. Some of the advice given is inappropriate and will not be allowed by current building codes.

    If your company is building a 30,0000 sqft facility they are about to spend $6M to $20M dollars. They should spend the few thousand dollars (probably $5k to $10k) to hire an architecture firm familiar with the basic building type (mixed small industrial/office) and have them work with you on this. The money your boss spends now in working with professionals to find our your current and future needs, will be returned by having a proper set of design requirements when he/she looks to hire an architect or design/build firm for the actual design.

    There are also firms that specialize in IT design who, again, will cost a few thousand $$ but will save you money in the long run. As many have said - you and your boss do not want to screw this up. Hire a professional. They have a very big incentive to give you good advice because it is their reputation that keeps them in business.

  153. simple - 10GigE ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure the new building has all the 10GigE fiber , and Gigabit copper cable ready.
    Make sure you have all the gigabit copper ready in the ceiling to mount those WIFI access point and
    power over Ethernet cable

  154. Dessicant Wheels, LiBr Absorption Chiller by ahfoo · · Score: 1

    Dessicant wheels can be a low cost method of controlling humidity. Certain specialized dessicant wheels for clean room applications can be expensive but you don't need to use those types. Dessicant wheels can actually be very cheap if you plan around them when you design the new facilities. Reducing humidity makes the environment more comfortable but is also way better for electronic and mechanical equipment. It also prevents the growth of mold and other microorganisms.

    Part of making dessicant wheels cheap is having a cheap source of heat energy to recharge the dessicant wheels when they turn to the outside environment. Luckily, you can use the latest generation of extremely low cost solar thermal vacuum tubes coupled to copper heat pipes to capture and store solar thermal energy at low costs. An 1800mm x 58mm vacuum tube heat pipe combo can capture approximately 80 watts of solar thermal energy per tube under optimum conditions and yet they cost only around ten dollars a tube when purchased in lots of 100 from Chinese manufacturers that crank them out by the hundreds of thousands. Even compared to today's low-cost solar photovoltaic that's an order of magnitude lower costs on a per watt basis.

    You can then apply the heat from those pipes that you store in say a 10,000 gallon tank of water to fire a Lithium Bromide chiller to chill the entire facility. Remember, the ongoing fuel costs for this system will be zero and it had integrated storage independent of external utilities.

    The general idea is to think in terms of direct applications of thermal storage rather than conversion to electricity.

  155. cable trays by denbesten · · Score: 1

    In the office area, hanging ceilings everywhere, with at least 1.5 inches free space above the tiles so that any given tile can all be lifted when necessary.

    As possible, put HVAC over offices and power/data over hallways. Any filters should be changeable from hallways so that you don't need to stand on somebody's desk a few times a year.

    Above hallways, cable trays for data (with tops if required by code), with clear space above and adjacent to the tray. Trays are much easier to deal with than conduit.

    In offices, double-gang boxes for data with 0.75 inch conduit running above ceiling tiles and turning to point towards the trays. If code requires, they can be run into the sides of the trays. Adjacent to each data, put a duplex outlet. Generally, two boxes per office on opposite walls that allow a base cable to reach anywhere in the office without crossing a door or window.

    Use structured wiring (RJ45) for telco, even if you have a PBX that would prefer 110 blocks. It is much more future-proof.

    Unless union rules preclude your use of a man-lift, put IT assets in the shop area 8+ feet above ground to protect against fork-lift damage. Even better, if distance limitations permit (generally, 80 Meters) keep electronics in office area -- especially those devices with fans.

    If cables and fibers do not arrive pre-terminated, insist on a good testing tool to validate reliability. Come to think of it, a good testing tool is needed period.

  156. Try some solar power on the roof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try some solar power on the roof. If it saves money, incrementally deploy more over time.

  157. a CNC workshop? by drolli · · Score: 1

    i have no idea what the specific needs may be. Hire somebody who equips industrial buildings for a living!

    what comes to my mind wrt to IT/building intelligence:

    a) separate electronics power circuit (in case some devices make a bad powerline noise)

    b) at least twice as many etherenet ports as you count you will need (its cheap to fit these while you are at it)

    c) well protected/easily replacable ethernet sockets (not sure what metal dust maydo to these

    d) The building automation/control bus of your choice/your main vendors choice

    e) smart metering (in case you want to know what you spend the power for)

    f) room temperature,CO2,humidity,VOC sensors - in cas you ever are interested if the air conditioning is running too much

    g) plan for vibration dampers (not sure what kind of CNC your workshop does.....) for servers?

  158. my 2 cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Secure server room with security alarm and fire suppression...could be same as your telecom equipment room... but make it so not everybody can get in there to screw with things and make it so failed power supply does not light a fire some night that burns down all company's business records and intellectual property... and after you have that room, make an offsite-backup policy as well. One place I worked had IT guys each take partial backup tapes home with them every friday night (which they swapped with the previous week's taps that were returned on monday)... nobody had a complete set and therefore the ability to mis-use, and it was reasonably secure (no vital data on the internet) and offsite therefore protected from any site-related disasters

    2. multiple hard-wired networks... one just for the office types, one just for the manufacturing systems, etc... you can bring them together in the server room with the appropriate firewalls etc. but this will save you later when some office weenie gets a virus surfing stupid humor websites or looking at pics of famous female celebs... and it has no impact on production. It will save you from office-types messing with the production systems. It will keep you from having annoyed office-types when you have to mess with the part of the network that is used in manufacturing. and so on.

    3. Fight the tendency some have to push for doing everything wirelessly... first it will become a security problem at some point and you'll end up dealing with it... second it will be trouble if somebody else starts doing something next-door that interferes with the signals (and you'll be blamed even more if this happens while you are on vacation) or if all your office-types start watching youtubes of cats at the same time...

    Cables are your friends... lots of bandwidth, physical isolation of sections of your facility, security provided by limited on/off ramps...

  159. Big building with metal machining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A building that spacious needs three separate it-equipment rooms:
    1. The main server closet with own AC and active cooling and own fresh air input. Metal dust bad, very bad! To be placed near the other end of the building, far away from factory floor. With metal fire doors, no skeleton keys to this. Spacious enough for two racks, as this is where most of the lan switch connections go. Plus blades and whatnot. Leave floor space to work in it comfortably (good old fashioned bird boxes might be on the floor here too). This closet is where the fuse boxes and surveillance systems often also go. One cable of multimode fibre to points 2 and 3.
    Go broke and ask for a max 3kW cooling capacity here. You don't need that much probably, but 3 kW doesn't mean that it is an on-off thingy.

    2. Server/rack closet 2 to the opposite end of the building. Normal hvac, but filters against dust input from the cncs. Room for one rack. This is where the cat6 connections come from this side of the building. Is a place to keep reserve server equipment, amount of needed switches and all kinds of reserve paraphernalia. Lockable, of course. The switch in this closet is probably fanless that doesn't produce much of a heat load, and reserve server isn't supposed to be always on and as efficient as the main one.

    3. Telco closet to the middle of the building, with cat6 to 1 (plus fibre) and 2. Here comes your inet provider connection and fone equipment. (maybe other junction boxes too).

    This way the cabling cost is minimized. You shouldn't expect cat6 to operate over 100 feet segments, especially in this kind of an environment. Remember, the cables don't go directly to sockets, but snake with many turns in the conduits! If you cannot afford fibre tranceivers between 1 and 2, use cat6 and a little switch between them in 3. Cat6 segment *might* reach directly from 1 to 2 with 1Gbps. In an industrial environmet falling back to 100Mbps isn't usually a problem.
    Never underestimate the need of storage space for equipment, they tend to procreate in their dark closets over the time.

    You need to keep in touch with the hvac and elco engineers (and the architect, of course) to put these things into action. Usually they can figure out these things themselves with minimal elaboration from you. Oh, and as you are making suggestions to the architect, remember to have your own workspace put where you reach 1,2 and 3 with direct cat6 segment. Room enough for two desks and lockable cabinets, cos you'll need to storage backups(, right??) and repair borked computers but still be able to do the paperwork. Your workspace should obviously be a real lockable room (against dust and theft, not to be able to lurk on Slashdot all day, I mean really, boss!). A good career move is to have a room still only half the size of the bosses.
    You also need to be vigilant during the actual construction phase. Reserve time for supervising that your demands are met. Con is the first syllable of construction.
    For example, the cablings are cut 'just the right length'. Cable costs, you see. Demand some slack left to them.
    Observe that construction code is met.
    Oh, and never,ever plug in your most important server while the construction is underway. There's always somebody who has an obsession to drill power cabling just to see what happens.
    Good luck, hope you won't need it!

  160. Make the building with the CNC machine. by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 1

    Make the building with the CNC machine. Make the building the CNC machine itself. In which case your resources list becomes...

    (a) ability to feed and sustain itself

    (b) ability to grow.

    Be very careful with (c) ability to resist parasites, or you may be in trouble.

    There are open source machines for making earth bricks. You could compromise by allowing the building to request humans to extend it, so it does not do everything. Maybe it could be done...

  161. CLEAN POWER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of good advice... but remember you're dealing with BIG motors and LOTS of noise on the power circuits...

    An independent power system for computers and comm gear wouldn't be a bad idea at all... as long as you can insure that none of those big CNC machines gets plugged into the wrong side... (and keep folks from plugging their space heaters into the orange outlets either)

    Two BIG UPS systems... one for the servers and another for JUST CPUs and Monitors... might be a bit more cost effective than dozens of UPS boxes under desks with batteries going bad every three or four years...

    Don't forget that 30% rule of thumb either... more than you ever need still runs out faster than you'll believe!!!

  162. you have 40 people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please don't oversell what you don't really need to your boss.

  163. Doors. or at least openings so people get in and o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, and rooms too.

  164. The ONE suggestion I didn't see by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    But which would be incredibly hard to install later:
    A faraday cage around the board room

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  165. what features would you design in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you gotta take into account future technology? ask for a raise.
    ask for an assistant
    tell them wirth 3d printing cnc machines are gonna undergo a radical change

  166. Back Up Generator and UPS's by YaddaMinski · · Score: 1

    Put the server room on a separate electrical grid so you can easily install a backup generator. Since most smaller gas-fired generators are piston, they send out dirty power. To fix this only use 'Double Conversion Online UPS' which takes the dirty power and creates a perfect sine wave albeit using the battery for this so not as efficient as cheaper direct UPS.. If you use a regular APC UPS and the generator kicks, the UPS will freak and and die and it switched back and froth from battery too quickly. Buy a AV Tech environmental monitor http://avtech.com/ and monitor for heat, fire, water, and humidity. Also, you might want to log card scans to get into the server room since it holds expensive equipment that could be stolen, then you can prove whose card was used to enter. Put the server room on its own subnet and firewall it from general network and Internet. If an attack happens, then you can simply unplug the external networks cables. Honey Pot and IPS monitor are nice additions.

  167. Air Cushion by Redmancometh · · Score: 1

    If you have a tool and die shop as part of your CNC facility, and presses running on the same foundation there is a solution. You can get this "air cushion" for your worktables (use a granite slab), and it will keep the vibrations from messing things up.

  168. UV Bulbs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bear with me here:

    Human eyes have a special photoreceptor that detects UV light, transmitting a signal deep into the brain (not the visual cortex) that is involved in the mediation of sleep/wake cycles and many other things that relate to worker productivity and satisfaction.

    Something I've been proposing to people designing office buildings, whenever I get a chance, is to put in cycling, weak UV lightbulbs in order to help office workers avoid the "Office Blues". The general idea is to have the cycle have an intensity peak synced with the current time of day (depending on season, etc) in order to help keep office workers energized, promote healthy sleep patterns, etc.

    This could also be used in hospitals for night shift workers, to help trick their brains into being more "awake" at night, helping to prevent medication errors and monitoring oversights. Just saying.

  169. The Fundamentals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to see bldrs stop going low budget and cutting corners, as seemingly a general practice, abd insteadd treat their jobs with Pride in their project. Build the Very BEST structure they can.

    Especially with regard to prevention of water damage, and mold built right into the structure (Construction Mold) by not protecting bldg materials from the elements
    rain especially. And using TRUE Green material in these hermetically sealed homes and buildings. Truly non toxic, non VOC. Further,
    The old materials have proven regulating indoor humidity qualities, plaster rather than low perm sheet rock, insulation, and ocd board, which trap moisture inside the structural walls to vaporize when sun warms them, then condensate when cool down, a recipie for mold and other pathogen growth. DRAINAGE! How many "Drainage Experts do I have to deal with that do NOT understand Gravity and GET that water. flows DOWN, Not WHERE they WANT IT TO GO WITH their Jerry Rigged" fixes". Build these slab buildings with CLEAR FALL.Get the water AWAY from the building! And guttering. SLOPING towards downspouts with corrugated pipe that HAVE a fall to carry it away from building. Raise the slab out of the water table. Make fall clearly enough to not be RESEVERSED TOWARDS YOUR BLDG by the landscapers putting in the shrubs. VENTILATION: HVAC INDUSTRY. Can you not design a multi-family structure, apts, condos, hotels, with a unit where water doesn't SIT in the condensate pan INSIDE THE LIVING SPACE, growing stuff? Why cant the cindensate line be flush with the pan and thr pan slope to it so that it Flows Out as its created by the coils? And backup line be slightly higher. Why MUST the pan be full of water at all times? To be sucked up by the blower wheel and spread thru the ductwork and whole indoor living space, carrying toxins, mold, algae - all of which that are indoors, are mutating to neurotoxin producers. AND raises the indoor humidity level with the wet air being sucked thru. I KNOW YOU ALL ARE BETTER THAN THIS! I KNOW YOU CAN MAKE BLDGS THAT ARE HEALTHLY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND WORK ANS SHOP IN. RAISE THE BAR! I CHALLENGE YOU!

    1. Re:The Fundamentals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry I do not want to be an anonymous coward. From: Mari Sloane... kbkiddo@gmail.com

  170. Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The building I am working at right now wasn't built custom but they did to a serious overhaul before they moved in. One of the things I have liked is that all of the power sockets are marked with what breaker they are on. This allows me to spread out my power requirements (I often have to plug in 20-30 computers in mini add-hoc labs). On that same note make sure that each room gets power from 2 or 3 different breakers.

  171. Slashdot, I am disappoint by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    Tops on the list has to be the hot chicks room.

    And that's actually a pretty good answer for the preceding question, "Best Incentives For IT Workers?"