They weren't monitoring their conversations/texts.
The weren't listening in.
A spectrum analyzer as the article mentions simply says there is a cell phone signal emanating from a location.
They don't even have to be in a call at the time. All they would need is to have a powered on cell phone on their person.
Since (presumably) cell phones are forbidden in the test room, you simply walk in, use your detector to locate and walk over to the cell phone holder and demand it.
TFA says:
The devices checked for signals from pagers or mobile phones near the test site.
Those sitting for the exam are supposed to shut off their mobile phones to stop test answers from reaching them via calls, text messages or vibrations.
There was no search. There was no wiretap. Simply the detection of a powered on cell phone in an area where they were prohibited.
But clearly excluding custodial cases the rate is not zero, (Groene) and it only looks like zero because the system has been swamped with custodial cases.
Because Amber currently includes all (or a great deal) of the traditional cases, Police end up treating it that way, as do the citizens. So the police response is the same. No augmentation. No checkpoints. No vehicle searches. Its just another Custodial case 98% of the time, and that is exactly how it is treated.
When these guys did their study, I sincerely doubt they weeded out BUT the cases where Amber Alerts were issued in a timely manner, given the originally intended response, escalated in a logical way, and in response to a prove threat level. (Like Groene, Sarah Maynard, etc).
They just did a statistical abstraction of cases where police acted in the normal way using the normal assumptions.
If we dialed it back to original intent, the rate might be better yet.
there were 105,229 active missing person records in NCIC.
So the flow through is rather high, but 7 out of 8 are cleared withing the same year.
And the age group includes people up to 20!, which means that you can probably inflate the 300 thousand REPORTED to be runaways with at least that many again which in fact left by choice and returned later, or simply wanted to change their life.
One wonders how many of the 105K also fall into this category, (left by choice) or simply never get reported as being found.
800000 "children reported missing" includes anyone under the age of 18 who runs away. (This is about 1% of the Children in the US in the 0 thru 17 age group).
Amber Alerts are specifically for kidnapped or abducted children usually less than 16.
An Amber alert will not be issued for your 14 yro daughter when she runs off with that creep she met on line.
Just stepped away and tested your assertion while making this post over on hardware.slashdot.org and found no problem pasting into the box before or after I typed into it.
First I typed new text. Then, I pasted a url, then added more text and pasted a quote from wiki.
All using Chrome. Simply no problem.
I just don't know what to tell you. It works for me, and has always worked for me.
Trackpoint for emergencies, Mouse for daily use. Same for touchpads.
The original justification for trackpoint was it takes relatively long time, three-quarters of a second, for a computer user to shift his hand from the keyboard to the mouse.
In the real world, there is enough pauses in typing, for thought and composition, (except perhaps on Slash Dot) that this is never a significant problem.
Additionally, it may be worth noting that Apple generally doesn't put release numbers on their products. My iPhone 4 just says iPhone on the back, and I'm pretty sure my 3GS only had iPhone on there too.
I'm not too sure anyone is worried about the source of the "leaks".
Apple might want to throw a huge hint to the market place not to jump on any of the dozens of Android Tabs introduced at CES, without breaking their deny-ability.
Still, its clear this is a non-operational dummy, because at 4 seconds, his fingers are touching an icon, but nothing launches. Its almost impossible to handle an iPad with one hand and not accidentally launch something.
It is interesting that you can actually see the face of the person making the video in the reflection of the screen in the high def version of the video.
Don't put people that you've removed from society because they were a danger back into it if you think they still pose a threat.
Define "You" in the sentence above.
Define "think" in the sentence above.
Then ask yourself if you personally would like to live in a society where you could be imprisoned forever because someone "thought" you might commit a crime sometime in the future.
This is exactly what is happening at Guantanamo Bay. People being held because someone "Thinks" they might return to terrorism. Many, if not most who were released (freed, not simply transported to another prison) have returned to jihad. So they get held forever. The world is up in arms about this. Even those countries where you disappear into jail on a dictator's whim condemn this.
If they are so dangerous...why are they not kept in prison for the protection of society? Last I checked, that was part of the whole "prison concept."
The "prison concept" is still (legally) viewed as "Corrections", and is based on the pretty much totally debunked myth that you can change future behavior by locking someone up for a period of time. Even if there were a veiner of behavior modification treatment/education available in prison (there isn't), the concept would still be suspect.
Be that as it may, if you can come up with a way to rule out recidivism in advance, AND get it passed through the various legislatures, then we are all ears. But baring that, we have this basic problem of incarcerating someone for a crime they MIGHT commit, which, most folks find unfair.
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But the US court issued a subpoena in accordance with actual law.
Have you looked into the terms of service of twitter where the user agrees to be governed by US laws?
http://twitter.com/tos
Sigh.
Look up the word rhetorical.
Its not about spying on twitters and facebooks and gmails.
Go read the TFA before posting.
Its not about reading tweets.
And your post shows you are not about reading TFA.
So run off and read TFA before you make a fool out of yourself. mmmmkay?
Well, I don't want to leave the impression I support the subpoena. I don't, and I believe it is correct for Twitter to fight it.
But be that as it may, if Twitter is a US company, based in the US, it is subject to US law. The EU can butt out.
If the US objected because of French subpoena served against a French company, operating in France, can you imagine the uproar?
The story isn't about tweets.
Its about a US Subpoena for the account details about the owners of accounts used to support Wikileaks.
The subpoena is being fought, and may well be stricken down as overreaching.
Where is Twitter based?
Where is the EU?
Just Askin.....
They weren't monitoring their conversations/texts.
The weren't listening in.
A spectrum analyzer as the article mentions simply says there is a cell phone signal emanating from a location.
They don't even have to be in a call at the time. All they would need is to have a powered on cell phone on their person.
Since (presumably) cell phones are forbidden in the test room, you simply walk in, use your detector to locate and walk over to the cell phone holder and demand it.
TFA says:
The devices checked for signals from pagers or mobile phones near the test site.
Those sitting for the exam are supposed to shut off their mobile phones to stop test answers from reaching them via calls, text messages or vibrations.
There was no search. There was no wiretap. Simply the detection of a powered on cell phone in an area where they were prohibited.
Yeah, I get that, but....
But clearly excluding custodial cases the rate is not zero, (Groene) and it only looks like zero because the system has been swamped with custodial cases.
Because Amber currently includes all (or a great deal) of the traditional cases, Police end up treating it that way, as do the citizens. So the police response is the same. No augmentation. No checkpoints. No vehicle searches. Its just another Custodial case 98% of the time, and that is exactly how it is treated.
When these guys did their study, I sincerely doubt they weeded out BUT the cases where Amber Alerts were issued in a timely manner, given the originally intended response, escalated in a logical way, and in response to a prove threat level. (Like Groene, Sarah Maynard, etc).
They just did a statistical abstraction of cases where police acted in the normal way using the normal assumptions.
If we dialed it back to original intent, the rate might be better yet.
Hmmm, thats about what I thought.
"Least likely to be successful" may well be a statistical artifact of the poisoning of the data by the inclusion of all the custodial dispute cases.
If Amber Alerts were in fact restricted to the cases it was intend for the successes like Shasta Groene might make up a slightly higher percentage.
Hold on there....
You are still reading too much into it.
Being reported missing does not equate to being abducted.
See this post by Amorymeltzer below in this thread.
Good post.
there were 105,229 active missing person records in NCIC.
So the flow through is rather high, but 7 out of 8 are cleared withing the same year.
And the age group includes people up to 20!, which means that you can probably inflate the 300 thousand REPORTED to be runaways with at least that many again which in fact left by choice and returned later, or simply wanted to change their life.
One wonders how many of the 105K also fall into this category, (left by choice) or simply never get reported as being found.
Is it customary for Amber Alerts to be issued for non-threatening custody Disputes?
My assumption was they were only issued where there was a threat of harm, or a finding of previous abuse by the non-custody parental abductor.
Children include anyone under 18. About 73 million in the US fall into that category.
Every sullen teenager that runs off and is reported "missing" is not abducted.
Most of those 800000 come slinking home (or at least report in) months or years later.
800000 "children reported missing" includes anyone under the age of 18 who runs away. (This is about 1% of the Children in the US in the 0 thru 17 age group).
Amber Alerts are specifically for kidnapped or abducted children usually less than 16.
An Amber alert will not be issued for your 14 yro daughter when she runs off with that creep she met on line.
Its not the same thing.
Just stepped away and tested your assertion while making this post over on hardware.slashdot.org and found no problem pasting into the box before or after I typed into it.
First I typed new text. Then, I pasted a url, then added more text and pasted a quote from wiki.
All using Chrome. Simply no problem.
I just don't know what to tell you. It works for me, and has always worked for me.
So you're the one!
LOL.
So true. Every tracpoint equipped laptop user I have ever met seems to have a wireless mouse.
Trackpoint for emergencies, Mouse for daily use.
Same for touchpads.
The original justification for trackpoint was it takes relatively long time, three-quarters of a second, for a computer user to shift his hand from the keyboard to the mouse.
In the real world, there is enough pauses in typing, for thought and composition, (except perhaps on Slash Dot) that this is never a significant problem.
Additionally, it may be worth noting that Apple generally doesn't put release numbers on their products. My iPhone 4 just says iPhone on the back, and I'm pretty sure my 3GS only had iPhone on there too.
Really?
Mine has lots of info on the back.
Even the Engadget Pre Release "Found in a Bar" (planted) iPhone 4 had markings on the back with dummy numbers.
Its a mock up. How could you tell anything about resolution from a mock up? A back lit transparency behind glass!
At 4 seconds in, his fingers touch an icon. But nothing launches.
Mock UP.
I'm not too sure anyone is worried about the source of the "leaks".
Apple might want to throw a huge hint to the market place not to jump on any of the dozens of Android Tabs introduced at CES, without breaking their deny-ability.
Still, its clear this is a non-operational dummy, because at 4 seconds, his fingers are touching an icon, but nothing launches. Its almost impossible to handle an iPad with one hand and not accidentally launch something.
It is interesting that you can actually see the face of the person making the video in the reflection of the screen in the high def version of the video.
Don't put people that you've removed from society because they were a danger back into it if you think they still pose a threat.
Define "You" in the sentence above.
Define "think" in the sentence above.
Then ask yourself if you personally would like to live in a society where you could be imprisoned forever because someone "thought" you might commit a crime sometime in the future.
This is exactly what is happening at Guantanamo Bay. People being held because someone "Thinks" they might return to terrorism. Many, if not most who were released (freed, not simply transported to another prison) have returned to jihad. So they get held forever. The world is up in arms about this. Even those countries where you disappear into jail on a dictator's whim condemn this.
Now you seemingly propose this as the norm?
If they are so dangerous...why are they not kept in prison for the protection of society? Last I checked, that was part of the whole "prison concept."
The "prison concept" is still (legally) viewed as "Corrections", and is based on the pretty much totally debunked myth that you can change future behavior by locking someone up for a period of time. Even if there were a veiner of behavior modification treatment/education available in prison (there isn't), the concept would still be suspect.
Be that as it may, if you can come up with a way to rule out recidivism in advance, AND get it passed through the various legislatures, then we are all ears. But baring that, we have this basic problem of incarcerating someone for a crime they MIGHT commit, which, most folks find unfair.
In this case your sig is very appropriate.
Click the link above with Mozilla.
It would be annoying if it were true.
But it's not true.
So.....